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Were The Disciples Saved

Were the disciples saved when they were with Jesus?

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 ---Cynthia on 10/2/07
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Catherine, Sorry about that I meant Psalms 69:28, And MMR Michelle I agree with you, however though, quoted in Acts 1:20 of Judas Iscariot. This is proof that the twelve statements of psalms 69:22-28, apply to Judas and the crucifiers of Jesus Christ. They especially apply to Judas who is the only one in particular identified in Scripture as fulfilling this prophecy here is definite proof that his name was one time in the book of life and later blotted out because of his sin. PART 1
---Whisper on 10/6/07


Part 2: as predicted here verse 69:28 and then promised all who sin Ex. 32:22...Rev 3:5,22:18-19. By comparing John 17:2-3 with 17:12 its clear that Judas, who was once given eternal life, lost it by transgression, as stated also in Acts 1:20, 25.
---Whisper on 10/6/07


I can see that the Truth hurts.

Acts 1:20
Let his habitation be desolate,
let no no live in it.
Let another take his office.

Do you have a Scripture that says Judas was saved after his betrayal of Jesus?

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


Judas called Jesus teacher, he never called Jesus Lord or master as the other apostles did. This is how he saw Jesus. Jesus is Lord, not just teacher (Mk.12:37, Lk.20:42, Jn.9:36-38). While the other disciples saw Jesus as someone that could calm the sea by a word, Judas accepted him only as teacher.

Judas cannot be an official apostle without seeing Jesus resurrection, which Judas did not see because he hung himself beforehand.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


Jesus put Judas in charge of money. The very thing that would give his heart corruption or cause him to repent. Judas heard Jesus speak on money but it did not change him. He could have reformed but did not.
Judas showed what was in his heart when he complained about the oil that was poured over Jesus preparing him for his burial.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07




John 12:2-8.. Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair.. Judas Iscariot, Simons son, who would betray Him, said, Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denari and given to the poor? He did not care about the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box, and he used to take what was put in it.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


There are two people in the Bible who are called the Son of Perdition, Judas and the Antichrist. They both are into money and share that common affection. This is why the devil was able to bribe Judas to betray Jesus Christ.

The antichrist will deceive and gather people by pretending to care about the poor.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


The antichrist will misrepresent himself, as a great humanitarian and offer prosperity. Judas who is called a son of perdition is a type of the antichrist who is to come, and we can learn from Judas. Judas was in the midst of the those who served Jesus with the right motives and Judas, who was among them, did not.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


Matt. 26:23-24
He who dipped his hand with Me in the dish will betray Me. The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.

Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, Rabbi, is it I? He said to him, You have said it (Matt. 26:25).

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


Judas wanted to see if Jesus knew what he was doing. It didnt matter if Jesus knew, Satan had a mission. Satan entered Judas at the last supper right in front of Jesus. Judas identified Jesus later - face to face - kissing him to be arrested and later to be crucified.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07




Eleven of the disciples were saved. Judas was not, as he allowed Satan to enter him and use him.

This is why I dread the One World Church. All are saved, anything goes, all are one and one for all. Learn from Judas, he is a shadow of the antichrist that is coming.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


I read those verses. I did not see Judas name mentioned in Ps. 69-25 or in Acts 1-20. Besides, even if your name might be in the book of life, God can take it OUT. Judas is in Hell right at this moment awaiting Judgment Day. In reading verses all I see is David asking God to pour His wrath upon these wicked men who had a hand in murdering our Lord and our Savior. Ps. 109-8..[Let his days be few let another take his office]. I just through that one on here.
---catherine on 10/6/07


If Judas was not saved then why does the Bible specifically tell us that Judas had his name written in the book of life Psalms 69:25 and Acts 1:20?
---Whisper on 10/6/07


The Bible also says that the devil entered Judas.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
---Michelle on 10/5/07


The testimony of Judas is not OSAS.

Do you have any Scripture after Judas betrayed Jesus indicating that he was saved?
---Michelle on 10/5/07


Blessings StevenRem, o.k. what saved the disciples FAITH, in who JESUS CHRIST, how by recieving Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and why, because they were chosen and called by God(Matt.10:1-5). The only disciple that I wonder about is Judas Iscariot. I stated that he was not saved, and I believe that he was not. We will find out when we get to Heaven. Amen? Thank you Steven for your insights, and if you would like to discuss this question again, please feel free to do so. God bless you StevenRem!
---Cynthia on 10/5/07


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They were all called so they were saved except ofcourse the devil, [Judas]. Peter: He was called full time later beside the sea of Galilee. He felled at Christ's feet and acknowledged his unworthiness. [We need to remember that Jesus' disciples loved Him]. Peter walked on water. Peter- "Lord, to whom shall we go? "Thou are the Christ, The Son of the Living God".Even Thomas was saved. He did have a problem with doubt and belief. Guess what he was human just like us saved folks of today.
---catherine on 10/5/07


Jesus gave Judas the ability to cast out demons and to give healings. My Holy God does not give spiritual abilities to unbelievers and children of the Devil. Judas was at one time a believer and by trangression he fell.(Acts 1:25)(Luke 9:1)
---Matthew_from_LAm on 10/5/07


Cyn
that's a broad picture IF ONE THINKS ABOUT all of Jesus disciple that are save (including myself past, present and future.
IF YOUR WILLING lets get too the POINT, what (WHO) saves them?? or better yet HOW!! were they saved? IF !! they were?? and WHY!!were they saved??
:-) steven just one of the saved...........
---steven-rem7000 on 10/5/07


What an interesting topic. The Bible has plenty of anti-Judas coments comming from Jesus mouth, such as "he was never mine." So Judas never recived salvation.

Now as to the others it is issue of what "saved" means. If you mean born again (Spiritual Justifacation), or accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior. The first didn't not occur until Pentacost the other option happened during Jesus ministry. Either way they all recived salvation and Jesus knew they would.
---Gilbert on 10/5/07


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Michelle MMR. Judas was once saved because He was a familiar friend of Christ Psalms 41:9.

Judas confided in as to be secure without fear, Would Christ call any unsaved man or the devil [as some suppose Judas to be] "Mine own familiar friend"?

Christ trusted Judas at one time or He would not have said "in whom I trusted" Psalm 41:9.
Would he have confided in such a man if he had always been this way?

PART ONE
---Whisper on 10/5/07


CONTINUED Pt. 2.. Judas had his name written in the BOOK OF LIFE with the righteous Acts 1:20 and Psalms 69:25-28

He was a BISHOP of the Church Christ is building Acts 1:20...Psalm 109:8.

He had part of the Apostolic Ministry. Acts 1:17 and 25.

Christ gave him power against unclean spirits to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and disease, this was true of the 12 including Judas.
---Whisper on 10/5/07


I want to agree with---duane on this question.
---Mima on 10/5/07


Jesus said, "One of you is a devil." "It was better for that man if had never been born.

Judas betrayed Jesus because of greed. Greed.

He could have come to Jesus, but he didnt.
There are some who want to imagine that Judas was saved, but there's no evidence whatsoever. "One of you is a devil." When he died, it says he went to "His own place."

No, I dont believe Judas was saved. He is even called the son of perdition.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/5/07


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If the Holy Ghost is needed for salvation it is OK for it had been
around long before "John 20:22"!
Mark 12:34: "And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly,
he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And
no man after that durst ask him any question. 35: And Jesus
answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the
scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
---Nana on 10/5/07


Mark 12:36: "For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord
said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies
thy footstool." Had it ever before been said that David spoke by the
Holy Ghost before Jesus said it? I hear many "born again" and "saved"
speak, but I find it near impossible to discern their say as if by the
Holy Ghost.
Perhaps I need some "Aromatheraphy" or some other sensibility
enhancement.
---Nana on 10/5/07


No possible way anyone is saved UNTIL AFTER the death and resurrection.
Jesus had to get rid of sin through His death and had to rise to give His life for our salvation.
Salvation is eternal life. He gave His life to us. By His life we ARE saved.
---duane on 10/4/07


Yes, the disciples were all saved, all of them including Judas. The name of Jesus is given only to believers and they ALL cast out demons.
---Helen_5378 on 10/4/07


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When do you think Adam, Eve, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Elijah...were saved?

Michelle. MMR
---Michelle on 10/4/07


With the exception of Judas, they were saved while they were with Jesus Christ. I don't know the exact day or year.

When was the thief on the cross saved?
While he was with Jesus Christ.
"This day you will be with me....."
The thief was saved at the very moment he accepted Jesus Christ.

Michelle. MMR
---Michelle on 10/4/07


Matthew 16:16-17
Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Peter believed in Christ as the Son of the living God and Jesus called him blessed for his faith and confession. This is a saved man.

Michelle. MMR
---Michelle on 10/4/07


Many of the disciples of Jesus, not the twelve, were leaving as they found His teaching too difficult to accept.

John 6 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Michelle. MMR
---Michelle on 10/4/07


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Yes and absolutely all 12 of them were saved.
---Whisper on 10/4/07


I know some people that say they weren't and made a pretty good case for it. (I was among them at one time) I suppose just by the ? so do you.
I believe scripture supports their conversions if you look at the whole of it, though they were young (babies if you will) in the faith.
Christ even told them I have many things to tell you, but you can't handle it right know. One of thm was he was going away and they couldn't come.
I can relate as I myself have made many,many mistakes :-)
---steven-rem7000 on 10/4/07


Michelle, no, and I should have clarified this. I do not believe that Judas Iscariot was saved. The other eleven, absolutely! But were they saved while Jesus was with them, or were they saved after His death and ressurection?
---Cynthia on 10/3/07


Are you including Judas in your question?

I know that eleven were saved.
---Michelle on 10/3/07


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By "saved" you mean saved from the wrath of God? Or do you mean were they born again? Peter denied Jesus 3x's and said, "I do not know Him" Peter was telling the truth. Once the Holy Spirit came upon Peter in the day of Pentecost (Acts Chapter 2) Peter became born again and a new creation. He was anointed for ministry and it was THEN that all he had learned about Jesus came alive in Him. This is too hard to understand and explain in 85 words or less.
---Donna on 10/3/07


No we were not not until John 20:22 where Jesus breathe the Holy Ghost upon them(this took place after his resurrection). John 20:22 reads,"And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost. If a man has not the spirit of Christ in him he does not belong to Christ and is therefore not saved.
---Mima on 10/3/07


The best answer that I have found is in Luke22:32, Speaking to Peter, "and WHEN thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren,"(partial)Since the Holy Spirit had not yet come to indwell men it seems to suggest that it would be impossible to be 'born-again' until after Jesus was resurrected.A great question!
---Jack on 10/3/07


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