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I am a former adventist. My mother is still hung up on adventist doctrines. When I have shown her scripture,it always comes back to the Sabbath. I know there are other sabbath churches. Does anyone think pointing her in this direction is a good idea?

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Have you Tried the "7th Day Baptist" General Conference HQ in Wisconson. They do have congregations in CANADA & USA.

Many vary in their beleifs on the after life(HELL,Heavan and soul sleep) and endtime rapture.

There are also Jewish Messianic & Hebrew roots Christians. However, use discernment of the Holy Spirit, YHWH'S scripture, history and archeaology. Many Oral traditions of Jews and Greco-roman church, Witchcraft, Egyptian star symbols, Eastern Gnostic thought and mysticim "are not" part of 1st century Apostolic beliefs.

All vary in their beleifs just like Sunday keepers. All will stand before Yahushua's judgement of fire for their works.

Let Jesus lead you.
---Yochanan on 12/7/09


>especially Adventists who believe they are the only ones that have the truth.

Actually Adventsist don't think that. So, unlike some churches our pastors will chew out the congregation telling that there'll be more Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, etc. in heaven than SDA's because they are living up to the light they know, while too many SDA's aren't.
---djconklin on 12/7/09


People who are condemned by their own words are usually angry people.

Yet they keep spewing the same hatred thinking it will save them from Gods righteous judgement.


Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
---JackB on 12/7/09


Rhonda: Did you notice that I mentioned no names when I spoke to you earlier about the word play people? Yet two of them responded vehemently, as if the remarks fit them. Guilty consciences, I guess.
---jerry6593 on 12/7/09


Rod4Him - These people get mad when their arguments fail to be convincing. That clearly is one of the characteristics of any religionist especially Adventists who believe they are the only ones that have the truth.

They fail the test both of scripture which they distort to fit their beliefs as well as church history which testifies against them.

They condemn both the saints of His church as well as Scriptures that denies their beliefs.
---Lee1538 on 12/6/09




Rhonda, what makes you such an angry verbally abusive lady? You seem angry at everybody.

Are you angry with your parents, your husband, God?
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maybe you should ask yourself why you see anger?

Does Gods TRUTH make YOU angry?

verbally abusive words? inappropriate language? come now you must be playing a warped joke here right?

religious christianity is so wrapped up emotionally in their denominational beliefs when they are confronted with Gods Truth they perceive anger

opinions or scripture? seems many from religious christianity are sadly deceived about the truth of which they serve seeing I RARELY see scripture only denominational opinions
---Rhonda on 12/6/09


the sabbath...well if we dont observe the sabbath ....what other commandment can we stop following? dont bear false witness,dont commit murder,dont commit adultry....dont covet anothers wife and property...oh my, we are a disobedient group of people...repentance of sins anyone. the commandments point us of our sins, yes we have to follow and obey..if its sat or sunday..but lets be honest read the sabbath commandment...dont work your maid servants or oxen either..yet we run to the malls and go eat making people to work...this changed a few years ago ...just like the church changed the sabbath to the sundath...we are all not seeking the truth in so many ways...repentance? think we need some of that in this world..lets staret there as christians
---pat on 12/6/09


...then you are guilty of the "word play," and the "the Word does not fit their preconceived template
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quoting scripture is now word play?

I quoted scripture ...you chose to play up on that scripture making a circus side show from the scripture I used

maybe self-professing "christianity" enjoys calling Gods Holy Word a template ...preferring to play their denominational WORD GAME about scripture

I choose TRUTH in Gods Word knowing that doesn't suit religious christianity who ONLY uses Gods Word when it suits them dismissing whatever else doesn't FIT into their lifestyle of the WORLD and ITS Jesus 2Corin 11:4

Scripture is THE WORD Christ Jesus who is TRUTH
---Rhonda on 12/6/09


//True! Some here resort to childish word play when the incontrovertable truth of the Word does not fit their preconceived template, and they have no logical counter-argument.

We can only agree! And such are those false prophets (and prophetesses) who emphasize teachings are nowhere found either in Scriptures or of the traditions of the early church.

Glad to see you back gina, poor Jerry apparently ran out of steam many posts ago.
---Lee1538 on 12/6/09


jerry said, "True! Some here resort to childish word play when the incontrovertable truth of the Word does not fit their preconceived template, and they have no logical counter-argument.

With what judgement you judge, you'll be judged.

jerry, you and Rhonda apparently do read carefully, and then you are guilty of the "word play," and the "the Word does not fit their preconceived template."

It's amazing to notice how many accuse others of the very things they themselves do.

jerry, apparently you have "the SDA template."

You do the SDA a disservice.
---Rod4HIm on 12/6/09




Rhonda: True! Some here resort to childish word play when the incontrovertable truth of the Word does not fit their preconceived template, and they have no logical counter-argument.
---jerry6593 on 12/6/09


Rhonda, what makes you such an angry verbally abusive lady? You seem angry at everybody.

Are you angry with your parents, your husband, God?

You don't read carefully and assume the worst in people, and then throw verbal stones.

Take a breath, look around your world and ask yourself, why are you mad at everybody? Nobody measures up to your standards. Nobody's opinions matter but yours.

I know, here comes your verbal stones of condemnation.
---Rod4Him on 12/5/09


Kella -- If the scriptures you show your mother "always come back to the sabbath", I would say you are still a legalist the same as she. You are not showing her anything.

It doesn't matter what denomination...SDA, SD Baptist, etc., teaches the need to observe the Sabbath on a given day...they are equally off the mark.

You need to look for a church that clearly teaches the difference between NEW and OLD Testaments.
---Donna66 on 12/5/09


People actually believe that the Bibles sitting on my end table is Jesus?
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how odd more spin?

word play to extreme in a dizzy arrangement of thought to pollute the truth of Christ who is THE WORD

twisting Gods Truth into a perversion of shaking Christs hand through "words" in Bible?

this would be why so many dismiss most of scripture because they are blind to POWER of THE WORD who is Christ Jesus ...instead following teachings of men the sugar coated watered down slop served up in the spiritual high of religious christianity - a regurgitated "word" from scripture ...they don't obey or believe Gods Word has authority in their lives - its just another literature collection of books
---Rhonda on 12/5/09


//Apparently, you are at odds with Lee, so you judge me by the standard you judge Lee.

I notice that poor Jerry always gets it thrown back at him. Perhaps he should try a new tactic like behaving himself.

Matthew 7:1-21 Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

But most of us try to view things differently and do as Christ tells us -

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment. John 7:24
---Lee1538 on 12/5/09


Rod: If indeed you agree that the Bible, and not the voices in your head, is the final athority, then we are in complete agreement. As for my having judged you, I think you are mistaken. BTW, what are "underline" issues?
---jerry6593 on 12/5/09


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jerry, you took issue with my statement, "Do we worship the Bible, or the God of the Bible." Rhonda took issue with, "Jesus is not the written word. The Word reveals Christ. Those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
I don't see where we disagree in that the Bible is the final authority, and the Scriptures reveal Christ and Who YHWH is.

Apparently, you are at odds with Lee, so you judge me by the standard you judge Lee.

It also appears that the underline issue is that you interpret scripture different than others, and you believe you are right and everybody who disagrees with you is wrong.
---Rod4Him on 12/4/09


Rod: You are going way off course. Any child knows that God is not a book. As you'll recall, the discussion began in response to your getting instructions from your mind which may or may not be the voice of the Holy Spirit, and my caution to check these thoughts against the Word of God - the inerrant standard of conduct for humans. This Word reveals the true Christ, His character, and His will for you in all moral decisions. Any thoughts or supposed instructions that you may receive MUST be in harmony with this Word to be from God. If they don't line up with the Word, then they may well be from the enemy of God.
---jerry6593 on 12/4/09


//People actually believe that the Bibles sitting on my end table is Jesus?

Not really too much difference with those that believe Jesus becomes a piece of bread to be put into a monstrance and worshipped.

Addressing the original post, your strongest weapon against that which is untrue is found in the power of prayer. The more you disagree with your mother and her SDA religion the more she will stick with it. Howbeit, God can speak to her on this issues and break the bondage she has with her religion.
---Lee1538 on 12/3/09


The Bible says that in the beginning was the Word (and John shows that that Word became man in the earthly Jesus

What we now know as the Bible is the written record of what happened to God's people before Jesus was born, and what He did for us, and still is doing, for the whole world.

"The Word" clearly has two different meanings, very closely related, but not exactly the same.

Jesus is not a written record!
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/4/09


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This blog topic has slipped into another topic.
However, the concept of the Bible being Christ is a strange teaching. People interested in this need to know that they are not crazy. People actually believe that the Bibles sitting on my end table is Jesus?
I can shake Jesus' hand by picking up my Bible and shaking it?
If you believe that, I can't take anything you say seriously.
The Bible reveals YHWH and Christ, but the words are symbols on a page to communcate.
Maybe we are discussing semantics, as I shake my head in wonder.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/09


Jesus is not the written word. The Word reveals Christ. Those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
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Christ is the WORD as told per scripture

John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God

Christ the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among US as the begotten SON of The Father (John 1:14)

Christ as High Priest of his spiritual church gave authority to Apostles to RECORD (aka written) form of himself - THE WORD

through the written WORD of scripture we know THE WORD who is Christ Jesus
---Rhonda on 12/3/09


jerry, I figured I'd get a reaction for that comment about whether one worships Christ or the Bible. But it's very revealing.

The scribes and pharisees were great "Bible" scholars, but they had the wrong God.

Jesus is not the written word. The Word reveals Christ. Those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.

What you say sounds like you worship your ability to study the scriptures. I know that is harsh, but you are in error.

Yes, the Bible and Christ is inseparable, but the Bible is not to be worshipped, Christ is. There is a difference.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/09


"Do we worship the Bible, or the God of the Bible?"
---Rod4Him on 12/2/09

They are inseparable.

Jesus IS the WORD.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
---jerry6593 on 12/3/09


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A strong Christian of long-standing told me the following concerning differentiating between the Holy Spirit's speaking to us and our own selfish will speaking to us. He said, if you think the Holy Spirit speaking to you act on what you think he is telling you, if it is of the Holy Spirit it cannot fail, if it is from you it will not amount to anything. Over the years I've found this to be solid advice!!!
---mima on 12/2/09


jerry: Great question, you asked, "Yes, but how do you tell whether you're listening to the Holy Spirit or to your own selfish, fleshy, lustful heart? Don't you agree that the Word is a safe standard by which to "try the spirit?"

Ah..yes, Ps. 1 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the set of the scornful, but his delight is in the law of the Lord.

Great Psalm.

The answer, mediate on the Word, pray without ceasing, maintain a clear conscience, submit yourself to the Living God through Christ.

Wisdom that is from above is peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated.

Do we worship the Bible, or the God of the Bible?
---Rod4Him on 12/2/09


Rod4Him: Yes, but how do you tell whether you're listening to the Holy Spirit or to your own selfish, fleshy, lustful heart? Don't you agree that the Word is a safe standard by which to "try the spirit?"
---jerry6593 on 12/2/09


Thank you, Rod4Him. Yes, I agree, it is a gift!
---AlwaysOn on 12/1/09


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Jerry //...your standard of religious doctrine is your inner feelings rather than the word of God. Don't you think that's a dangerous strategy?

Ac 24:16 So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.

Should we not also seek to have a clear conscience toward both God & man? And is not our conscience something that is subjective?

Christians in order to have a clear conscience need the conditioning of the Word of God.
---Lee1538 on 12/1/09


jerry, people can quote scripture to prove just about any teaching they want. Many points of belief are endless whirlpools to suck people into. Check out Jeremiah 9:23-24.
We can argue scripture one day over another from now till the cows come home, and never get anywhere.
However, concerning "feelings," the word needs defined.
You may define "feelings" different than others.
One will never know anything by how they feel, but they might feel better by what they know.
Having said that, spiritual things are spiritually discerned, is that a feeling?
Having a clear conscience, is that a feeling?
Having an inner peace with God, is that only a feeling?
---Rod4Him on 12/1/09


"Interesting... "
---Rod4Him on 11/29/09

Rod: You seem to agree with Lee that your standard of religious doctrine is your inner feelings rather than the word of God. Don't you think that's a dangerous strategy?

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
---jerry6593 on 12/1/09


AlwaysOne, one major aspect I see in the Sabbath is that it is a gift to man from God.

Thanks for sharing your perspective and attitude toward this issue. It's nice to hear a good right thinking.
---Rod4Him on 11/30/09


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Gina -//..but you reject the clear scriptural evidence presented and cling to the error that 1 of 10 CC, written by finger of God, ..

We can all say much the same about you and other SDAs as you totally ignore such very clear scriptural evidence as in Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

And if you knew anything at all about early church history you would not find a single early church writer that is in support of observing the OT Sabbath. Even SDA scholars agree with that much.

Sorry but the Holy Spirit very often uses Scripture to point out what is untrue. Your doctrinal stand is faulty.
---Lee1538 on 11/30/09


Hi Rod4Him: Ah, yes, the Shabbat legalists...I've encountered a few myself. They need our prayers as they've imagined the 7th day to be a burden with all of their restrictions and rules. It's this same mindset that the Messiah ridiculed each time they accused him of Sabbath breaking. So many, then and now, just don't get that it was made for us and not the other way around.
---AlwaysOn on 11/30/09


For someone in this situation look for a Godly grace oriented church. It would be difficult to find a seventh day keeping congregation that operates in this. Some Messianic-Jewish congregations do though. Otherwise, it is often difficult to move away from legalism to love, but prayer is useful. Matthew 19:26, Romans 2:4, 2Peter 3:9.
p.s. watch out for those who call out from the dark cave who say it's warm in here, it's quiet here, don't go into the day, but return to the warm embrace of mother Ellen, John 15:4, Romans 2:1-11, 4:2-8, Galatians 3 (O foolish S.D.A.), 5:6, Colossians 1:9-11, 3:17, 2Timothy 1:9, Titus 3:5, Hebrews 9:14, James 3:13-18.
---Glenn on 11/29/09


AlwaysOn, I have had a similar experience as yourself. I don't broadcast my position, nor do I promote it.

I have friends who have made many trips (20+) to Israel, and I have been there twice, so I am a bit influenced by Jewish thought.

I have also seen the shabbat legalism in Isreal. Such as, while staying in a motel in Israel on Saturday, the elevators would stop at every floor so people wouldn't have to push a button and break the Sabbath. We couldn't go through the orthodox section of Jerusalem because they would throw rocks at us on the Sabbath. They couldn't work, but they could throw rocks. interesting...
---Rod4Him on 11/29/09


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So if it was God's will I do the OT Sabbath, then I should have experienced some sort of discipline or direction,but I have not.
---Lee1538 11/28/09
You have received direction from God on these message boards for many years and conviction of Holy Spirit on the matter, but have chosen to reject it instead. I have seen many Sabbath keeping Christians reason with you here from scriptures, myself included, but you reject the clear scriptural evidence presented and cling to the error that 1 of 10 CC, written by finger of God, who changes not, could be changed, and you have ridiculed those whom God sent to you with reproof (in a failed effort to make your awakened conscience feel better). You have received discipline/ direction, and conviction
---Gina7 on 11/29/09


Thanks for your reply, Lee. It appears that we agree that the Sabbath, in principle, is good.

The explanation you offered explaining why the early church changed to Sundays is interesting. And, while I haven't studied Ellen White's specific version of church history too deeply, I am familiar with claims against the Catholic church and its perceived role in the change.

Whichever explanation is correct, I care not to comment on. All I know is what I know. The Sabbath that was made for me is a time that I cherish and enjoy.

Thanks for hearing me out on this, I really do appreciate it.
---AlwaysOn on 11/29/09


//Lee, I don't condemn anyone for not keeping Sabbath.

We should not condemn anyone for observing any day as holy.

I do, however, agree with you on the principle behind the Sabbath, namely that of rest from our labors and a time set aside for communal worship.

The early church chose Sundays for communal worhsip as the OT Sabbath was a workday for the Gentile nations and most early Christians were of the lower economic/social strata (slaves, poor working class people).

Ellen White's version of history that the Roman Church changed the Sabbath is just a distortion of history, so much bull.
---Lee1538 on 11/29/09


Lee, I don't condemn anyone for not keeping Sabbath. After years of believing it unnecessary, I studied, prayed and became convinced I should set aside (i.e. keep holy) the 7th day for rest. Keeping Sabbath doesn't save me and I'm not condemned for resting. Father rested on the 7th day, as did Messiah, therefore it's good. It's not an inconvenience or burden. I can't "set aside" the other 6 days, because it's not feasible to take every day off from work, errands and daily tasks.

Not trying to convince anyone, nor change anyone's mind or heart. Only sharing I observe Sabbath, as I am persuaded to, out of love and obedience. I don't judge those who don't observe and I don't expect to be judged by others because I do.
---AlwaysOn on 11/29/09


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There is one God and one Law for the Jew and strangers..
Jesus said, Live by EVERY word of God. He is the word of God, the SAME yesterday, today and for ever. He said, "If they believe not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe though one rise from the dead. No one can change Gods word.

God wrote the 7th day Sabbath of NO WORK in stone in the Ten Commandments Covenent.(Exodus 20, Deuteronomy 5) Leviticus 23 gives other holy days of NO WORK that we can honor. If God is our God, follow His word and not add or take from His holy days. (holidays).

Worship where you can keep the Sabbath, no need to join.
---MarieDevine on 11/29/09


This is an interesting quote from Lee, "So if it was God's will I do the OT Sabbath, then I should have experienced some sort of discipline or direction,but I have not. Thus I can believe it is not required of the Christian walk."

That is a bit subjective, but I agree with him.

I have had similar thoughts in relation to not attending an "institution church" for the last 23 out of 25 years. I tried it again for a couple years a few years back, it was a disaster.

In contrast, I have a peace from God that passeth all understanding in this matter. However, some christian people try to give their condemnation in these matters.

Interesting...
---Rod4Him on 11/29/09


Jerry //I didn't think you would come up with scriptural support for your religion of tradition. Just the same old tired doubletalk.

The issue is settled in my mind because of the abundant historical and scriptural evidence.

Too bad you still have problems trying to convince yourself that Adventism has the truth. Thousands have already left upon discovering what is revealed in Scripture. Rev 18:4 tells us to 'come out of her and share not in her plagues'.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
---Lee1538 on 11/29/09


Lee: I didn't think you would come up with scriptural support for your religion of tradition. Just the same old tired doubletalk.
---jerry6593 on 11/29/09


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Gina //You have been born of the Spirit, but have you let the Spirit guide you into all truth, or have you rejected truth instead?

We should NEVER forget we are members of God's family as God as our Father does not hesitate to discipline us if we do not do as He directs.

Heb 12:7-8 It is for discipline you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

So if it was God's will I do the OT Sabbath, then I should have experienced some sort of discipline or direction,but I have not. Thus I can believe it is not required of the Christian walk.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


alwayson//Sometimes, in our zeal, we can be very pushy and demand others see things exactly as we do and at the same time that we do.

And it is wise to heed the scripture -

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.Romans 14:1

As one studies the Word and continually walks with the Lord, we grow spiritually and discard beliefs that are not essential to our walk with Him.

1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

So as we grow spiritually, things like observing the OT Sabbath may very well fall by the wayside as nonessential to the Christian walk.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


So Gina7 is back!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09


Gina - //Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.." Exod 20:8-11 This does not say Jewish Sabbath, it states the Sabbath. The Sabbath is only Jewish in your own estimation, but it does not make it so.

This command was addressed to the Jewish nation, not the church.

To the church, the Lord's Spirit tells us -

" One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord." Romans 14:5f

It is impossible to observe the OT sabbath and "esteem all days alike".

And the observance of the OT sabbath was not mandated to the Gentile church.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


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//Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.." John 16:14 All truth includes knowledge of the 7th day Sabbath. You have been born of the Spirit, but have you let the Spirit guide you into all truth, or have you rejected truth instead?

One ministry of the Holy Spirit is to convict one of sin (anything that displeases the Lord). However, it is the testimony of the saints that there is no conviction of sin when it comes to not keeping the OT Sabbath - given as a sign of the Sinaitic covenant with Israel. Exodus 31:17

"One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind."
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


Rhonda, I like the distinction 'religious Christianity' and am crediting you for my future use of it.

Sometimes, in our zeal, we can be very pushy and demand others see things exactly as we do and at the same time that we do. I've been guilty of this before and am now learning how to stand firm in my beliefs, without force-feeding them to others.

To the original poster I observe Sabbath, yet do not attend a Sabbath-observing church. Remember that it is not about what church you attend, but the Messiah taught that what label you wear and where you worship doesn't matter. Instead, it is about how we live our lives. He taught that Father, who is a Spirit, is looking for those who worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
---AlwaysOn on 11/28/09


I cannot discount my own testimony of being born of His Spirit which according to Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 is very plain the seal of ones salvation is the Holy Spirit, not the observance of the Jewish Sababth.
---Lee1538 on 11/26/09
"Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.." John 16:14 All truth includes knowledge of the 7th day Sabbath. You have been born of the Spirit, but have you let the Spirit guide you into all truth, or have you rejected truth instead?

"Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.." Exod 20:8-11 This does not say Jewish Sabbath, it states the Sabbath. The Sabbath is only Jewish in your own estimation, but it does not make it so. See Mark 2:27-28
---Gina7 on 11/28/09


Jerry - //Show us scripture that commands this replacement, or admit that you embrace a man-made counterfeit.

While there is no command to observe any day of the week (Romans 14:5),we read the early Gentile church did indeed gather for worship on the 1st day of the week.

Ac 20:7 On the 1st day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

Also the Jerusalem council settled the issue that Gentile church did not have laws imposed on them that were strictly Jewish.

The challenge for you is to show us where scripture commands the church to observe the OT Sabbath given only to the Jewish nation alone.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


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Lee: "Was the sabbath made for man? True, howbeit, the Christian Sabbath became observed on Sundays replacing the old Jewish sabbath of Saturday."

Show us the scripture that commands this replacement, or admit that you embrace a man-made counterfeit.
---jerry6593 on 11/28/09


Rhonda ... Gina is not back!

This is one of those old resurrected blogs, and Gina's post was nearly two years ago
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/28/09


Amen Gina ...have not seen any posts from you recently or I'm not on same topics as you nice to see your comments again

Kella

although religious christianity teaches the concept of hunting people down and delivering their brand and getting them to "convert" to their brand of "christ" ...it is all void of Gods Word ...easy to understand there is only one truth in Christ

Work out your own salvation Philippians 2:12 ...your mother is responsible for her own

I'm not familiar with Adventist other than they keep Gods Holy Sabbath Command ...there are many Sabbath Keeping churches unless your mother is asking your help in locating it is best you remain silent
---Rhonda on 11/27/09


//Lee, I am not interested in manmade calendars.

Yes we can see that you have made yourself as immune to the truth as possible in order to maintain yourself in spiritual darkness.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Consider -

1 John 1:8 If we (the Apostles John speaking) say we have (present tense) no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

To believe you have the correct interpretation of scripture and that all godly Biblical scholars are wrong is really folly on your part.

Wake up and confess your ugly sinfulness.
---Lee1538 on 11/27/09


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Lee, I am not interested in manmade calendars.
---Eloy on 11/27/09


Eloy - *Then God divided up time into individual days, and into weeks, and into months, and into years, and he made time into different seasons for man...

It would benefit you and maybe even us, if you took the time and researched the history of calendars. No two ancient calendars (if they even had one) agreed with each other and they continually adjusted them to determine their agricultural seasons.

Was the sabbath made for man? True, howbeit, the Christian Sabbath became observed on Sundays replacing the old Jewish sabbath of Saturday.

Adventists,however, have chosen to ignore church history preferring instead of follow the old obsolete traditions of the early Jewish church.
---Lee1538 on 11/27/09


Kella: Just which scriptures did you show your mother? What was your motivation?
---jerry6593 on 11/27/09


In the beginning time has always been eternal, or just one big long continuous day. Then God divided up time into individual days, and into weeks, and into months, and into years, and he made time into different seasons for man: therefore the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.
---Eloy on 11/27/09


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Gina7 //"The Holy Spirit seals you by convicting you of the truth,and by choosing the true Sabbath, you are sealed.,,,"

I cannot discount my own testimony of being born of His Spirit which according to Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 is very plain the seal of ones salvation is the Holy Spirit, not the observance of the Jewish Sababth.

If you have truly been born again of His Spirit you should have that testimony within you.

Romans 9:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,...

While it is true that those of God will exhibit the holiness of God in their lives, there is nothing to indicate they will observe OT laws that are obsolete and given only to the Jewish nation.
---Lee1538 on 11/26/09


Lee, my answer was in my post:
"The Holy Spirit seals you by convicting you of the truth,and by choosing the true Sabbath, you are sealed. Those who take the mark do not have the Holy Spirit"
---Gina7 on 10/6/07
---Gina7 on 10/12/07


How does gina interpret those verses that state the Holy Spirit is the seal of ones redemption?

Eph. 1:13, and 4:30.
---lee on 10/7/07


Mima - yes - I've been to messianic celebrations and they explain the Old Testament prophecies in their feasts etc but at no time do they judge others or try to teach that the old celebrations are anything more then a teaching of what was to come.
---caleb on 10/6/07


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Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The seal of the Holy Spirit represents the ownership God has over His children.

Sabbath observance is strictly an external obserance of a ceremonial law.
---lee1538 on 10/6/07


They go as far as to say it is seal of God. The bible is clear that it is the Holy Spirit
-Kella3336 10/5/07
In Rev, there is a Seal of God put in contrast w/ a Mark of Beast,and both deal with worship. The Seal of God is the true Sabbath (7th day)and the Mark is worshipping God on the false day Satan set up competing w/God's true Sabbath. The Holy Spirit seals you by convicting you of the truth,and by choosing the true Sabbath, you are sealed. Those who take the mark do not have the Holy Spirit.
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


They after all are Jewish and they and they alone have a reason to keep the old Jewish Sabbath.
-Mima 10/5/07
The 7th day was set apart as Holy in Genesis, at creation. Where was a Jew then? Sorry, but the Sabbath, as well as marriage, was set up for the benefit of MANKIND, not just one segment of mankind. Those who follow God, The Sabbath is for them to spend the day with Him. It is our appointment. The devil hates this day because it points to the true God (the creator) instead of to him.
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


Revelation 14:7 "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of his judgment is come, and worship Him that made heaven, the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" amazingly similar to the 4th commandment which deals with worship: "For in 6 days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the 7th day" Exodus 20:11 put in contrast to false worship of the beast: "If any man worship the Beast" Rev 14:9
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


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Rev 7:23 "having the seal of the living God... till we have sealed the servants of God in their foreheads"
Rev 14: "144,000 having his Father's name written in their foreheads".
Where is the name of the Father? In the 4th commandment, as Creator of heaven,earth and all that in them is. How is the seal taken? By worshipping God on His true 7th day Sabbath. How is the Mark taken? By worshipping God on the false sabbath. Your mother is correct, it all comes down to the Sabbath.
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


While studying and spending time with the messianic Jews I went to church on Saturday (their Sabbath). I was in total agreement with their keeping their Sabbath, sundown Friday sundown Saturday. They after all are Jewish and they and they alone have a reason to keep the old Jewish Sabbath.
---Mima on 10/5/07


Hi Kella. Which doctrine is your mom still hung up on? And what in the Bible do you share with her?
---Geoff on 10/5/07


I am new at this. Anyhow, I do not feel that Sabbath attendence is wrong but the adventist church binds it on others. They go as far as to say it is the seal of God. The bible is clear that it is the Holy Spirit.
---Kella3336 on 10/5/07


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No. If you no longer believe the same way as the Adventists do, then that is between you and God alone. Just because you now believe differently doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. If what she believes in in the wrong, pray and ask God to show her himself. But if you continue to argue over who believes what and how one should believe, it can and will cause problems between you both.
---Rebecca_D on 10/4/07


Why is allowing her to remain an Adventist a bad idea? This question is not meant to be flippant. I really don't know alot about this denomination, and that which I do know doesn't affect one's salvation.
---kady on 10/4/07


Well there is nothing wrong with worshiping God on Sat or Sunday. there are other churches non SDA that are on Saturdays. Some non-denom. churches have sat service, then there is the United church of God & Living church of God(sister churches) which I like their free magazines.they meet on saturdays as well. there are other options besides SDA.
---candice on 10/4/07


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