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Was Ellen White A Prophet

Ellen White said that we must never feel or say that we are saved. Even while I was I was in the church I felt it to be unbiblical. Honestly, if someone believes what the bible says about being saved, how can they call EGW a prophet?

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We are never to rest in a satisfied condition, and cease to make advancement, saying, "I am saved." When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayer, for earnest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter in through the gates into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. ...
It is he that endureth unto the end that shall be saved (Mat 10:22). - EGW, R & H, 6-17-90

All biblical - all TRUE!
---jerry6593 on 4/1/09


Ellen G. White quoted the bible a lot. She recommended that People go to the Bible and read and study it daily. She encouraged people to pray at least an hour a day dwelling on what JESUS did for us.

It is wrong to waste our time, wrong to waste our thoughts. We lose
every moment that we devote to self-seeking. If every moment were valued and
rightly employed, we should have time for everything that we need to do for
ourselves or for the world. In the expenditure of money, in the use of time,
strength, opportunities, let every Christian look to God for guidance.
Ministry of Healing, p. 208
---Samuel on 3/31/09


I would like to study the subject of Ellen G. White a little more before commenting, but djconklin: "Jesus and His disciples were plagiarists. They often quoted old testament writers without giving credit to the sources." (quoted from you). I believe the Bible's writers predominantly quoted Jesus. He is the Word. When the Disciples used a quote it was known, and most Jews of the time knew the applicable verse. It's doubtful that Ellen's readers knew the same. Commentaries, without attribution, were not any more appreciated then than now, it affected the authors' finances.

Isaiah 28:10. -Glenn


---Glenn on 3/31/09


re: DJConklin's quotation of Jerry6593:

I apologize to you. I misread your blog as of 3/30/09, wherein you were quoting Jerry6593 on 3/28/09, rather than making the statement.
The quote being "Jesus and His disciples were plagiarists. They often quoted old testament writers without giving credit to the sources."

Sincerely, Glenn

p.s. I still can't quite understand how the Lord could plagiarize himself.
---Glenn on 3/31/09


"Jesus and His disciples were plagiarists. They often quoted old testament writers without giving credit to the sources."

By the standards ofthe day they weren't required to give their sources--they also expected you to know your Bible well enough to know who they were quoting, echoing or giving an allusion to--the book of Revelation has some 2,500 of those.
---djconklin on 3/30/09




"Copyright law is a rather recent invention."

Yes and no. In terms of the course of human history copyright laws are only about 200 years old. But, even by those standards Ellen G. White was not a plagiarist. One literary critic noted that people who call others a plagiarist are usually "tyro's" who are "ignorant of law and literature." The critics of EGW are taking advantage of other people not know what the law said and what the standards of her day were.
---djconklin on 3/30/09


---djconklin: Jesus and His disciples were plagiarists. They often quoted old testament writers without giving credit to the sources. Copyright law is a rather recent invention. Doesn't the Bible say:

Mat 10:8 .... freely ye have received, freely give.
---jerry6593 on 3/28/09


If anyone claims to be a prophet of God and anything they prophesy doesn't come to pass then they are not. God never misses ever!!!!!
---MARK on 3/27/09


>"I believe most people will find the comparisons listed between Ellen White writings & other literary works convincing enough to say Ellen White leaned very heavily if not totally on the works of others."

One of the books that the critics claim was a case of "wholesale" plagiarism (no one claims "totally") was that of her work on the Life of Paul. The average amount of literary similarity with her alleged source was about 3.04%, from that we can then look and see how much was actually dependent--much smaller yet. And then using the standards of the day (see the book Original Copy) we can conclude that she didn't plagiarize.
---djconklin on 3/27/09


Samual ... "She and the Bible are opposed to those who teach that by saying certain words that GOD is obligated to take you to heaven whether you meant them or not"

I don't think there is any Christian, OSAS or not, who teaches that!!!
---alan8566_of_UK

Alan I have never heard any say those exact words. But when John MacArthur was speaking that only those who lived saved are osas. Many disputed that saying it did not matter what one did as long as they had made the correct committment some time in the past. Which seem to me to be the same thing. For if you are truly accepting JESUS he is your LORD and Saviour. Not just Saviour.
---Samuel on 3/26/09




To prove E. G. White a false prophet you need to prove the doctrine she supported is false. Since the doctrine of the SDA church is based on what the Bible teaches that is impossible.

Only those who do not use the Whole Bible for doctrine can use the Bible to prove us wrong.
---Samuel on 3/26/09


bettyw: "Ellen White was a false prophet."

PROVE IT!
---jerry6593 on 3/26/09


Many people think that if they "believe" in Christ they are completely "saved" and needn't ever worry about losing their salvation. The Bible says:

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God, thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Does anyone seriously think that everyone who merely "believes" in God will be saved? Even devils? There is much, much more to eternal salvation than mere mental assent.
---jerry6593 on 3/24/09


Ellen White was a false prophet.

We are never saved unless we did God's will and then we die. If we die in our sins, we are not saved.
---bettyw on 3/23/09


Samual ... "She and the Bible are opposed to those who teach that by saying certain words that GOD is obligated to take you to heaven whether you meant them or not"

I don't think there is any Christian, OSAS or not, who teaches that!!!
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/23/09


Ellen G. White was cautioning in her words not to say you are saved in the way that many who believe Once Saved Always saved say it.

She and the Bible are opposed to those who teach that by saying certain words that GOD is obligated to take you to heaven whether you meant them or not. Many people live for themselves and follow the devil but still say they are saved. This is what she was warning against. Presumptive sin.

Any can always take a person's words or the bible out of context if they wish. Doing either is still wrong.
---Samuel on 3/23/09


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I don't know if it matters that we call her a prophet or not. The Bible is the only rule of faith for Christians. The Bible says that salvation is only through Christ. The title of prophet is neither here nor there. If what she says is consistent with the Bible, then it is worth attending to. Wherever her writings are in agreement with the word of God, her writing is prophetic. When she wrote her opinion, or gave counsel in everyday life to specific individuals her writing is not necessarily prophetic. I am not truly concerned with calling Ellen White a prophet or denying her that title. I care about attending to anything that points me to Christ who is my only hope of salvation.
---Beverly on 3/21/09


Ellen hated the title prophtess or prophet and did much to avoid it while alive. She constantly wanted people to study the bible. Preach from the Bible make the Bible their guide in all things.

False prophets are generally opposed to the bible being studied or followed.

When I became an SDA I spend two years studying and came to find the doctrines from the Bible. But I was still undecided. The last thing I was taught was the Sister White was inspired. In reading her bood Steps to Christ I knealt down and gave my heart to GOD. I follow JESUS.
---Samuel on 1/22/09


"How did you observe 22 October the anniversary of Christ entering into the Holy of Holies in 1844 to judge and condemn those that have communal worship on Sundays but do not observe the Sabbbath?"

He didn't.
---djconklin on 1/21/09


When the critics have been proven to be so wrong and so many counts why should we trust their conclusions on the more complex?
---djconklin on 1/17/09


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Yes, Ellen G. White was a Prophet, but she was a False Prophet, 2 Peter Chapter Two.
---Rob on 1/17/09


>The SDA admits she "borrowed" from other books.

One is allowed to borrow--the questions then are: how much and what did you do with it? For more info see Robert Macfarlane's book "Original Copy: Plagiarism and Originality in Nineteenth-Century Literature."
---djconklin on 1/16/09


While the charge of plagiarism is hard to prove legally, she definitely has been found guilty in the court of public opinion.

---lee1538 on 11/25/07
And Jesus was convicted in the court of public opinion to be a deceiver, a blashphemer, a child of the devil, an inciter of division and problems among God's people, and so were all of his disciples and followers thru the ages! Including EGW!
---Gina7 on 12/8/07


Andrea: She didn't lie. Jesus didn't lie either when He spoke the same words written by Isaiah. Passing on Truth is not a lie. Why do you presume to make Truth into a lie?
---TS on 12/3/07


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The SDA admits she "borrowed" from other books. Just bc she wasn't found guilty by a bunch of dead writers does not mean she wasn't guilty of lying.
She has you duped. Apparently she was an excellent liar.
It's bizarre that millions of people will allow themselves to be baptized into Ellen White's version of Christianity but they do. Try going to a couple of ex-sda sites
Paul warned there would be many false prophets that would lead many astray...that's one prophecy Ellen fulfilled.
---Andrea on 11/26/07


Lee, the problem is, you continue to post lies..traits of the devil..EGW never plagurised as proven..no court fines ever given cos she waS PROVEN INNOCENT..so what now..you still intent to go on lying..we dont see EGW as God..there is only one God..but know you this, she is the most highly prizsed writer ever who wrote about God beautifully..she uplifted Him all thru out her writings..Whats lie in that??>? Your barking up the wrong tree friend..turn the page..
---jana on 11/26/07


Gina - just about every critic (and there are many) of Ellen White has accused her of borrowing heavily from the literary works of others and some have even gone so far as to give comparisions of what she wrote & what others wrote.

While the charge of plagiarism is hard to prove legally, she definitely has been found guilty in the court of public opinion.
---lee1538 on 11/25/07


But on the other hand, you certainly want to believe what Ellen White wrote was also penned by the Holy Spirit despite the fact that all of her works can be traced to the literary works of others.
---Lee on 11/15/07
ALL? Now who is the liar here? I find it odd that NO PLAGERISM CHARGES WERE EVER FILED ON EGW. If "ALL" her writings were taken from others, we would find a charge filed in the courts,and oddly, there is none. Why is that? Because no plagerism occurred!
---Gina7 on 11/24/07


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that is a true sign that EGW was a God given prophetess..look at you attacking her..We support her and Biblical statement about the Roman church that preached error..and changed God's laws..are you supporting those who changed what God give?? It would seem so..Lord have mercy on the errored and defiant heart who is so intent on following error...
---jana on 11/22/07


jana - *EGW's writings were before those whom you said she copied..arent you sick and tired of ranting on the same song? *

Yes,indeed but as long as Adventists believe she was some kind of divine given the right to condemn the church, I will continue to expose her for what she really was - a liar & a thief, a false witness.
---Lee on 11/16/07


Lee: EGW's writings were before those whom you said she copied..arent you sick and tired of ranting on the same song? EGW preached God's Word and your attacking the Word, not EGW..GEt a life brother..preach truth, not EGW bashing..were sick of reading your childish postings..Turn the page..
---jana on 11/16/07


TS - *Did Jesus plagiarize Isaiah or did Isaiah Plagiarize Jesus?*

Such a statement indicates that you reject the belief that the Holy Spirit supervised the creation of the Bible through the various writers such as Isaiah, Daniel, Moses, etc.

But on the other hand, you certainly want to believe what Ellen White wrote was also penned by the Holy Spirit despite the fact that all of her works can be traced to the literary works of others.
---Lee on 11/15/07


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TS - the simple question that I would pose to you is -

Did Ellen White really get the material in her writings from her visions of God like she claimed, or did she lean heavily upon the literary works of others? If she did the latter & then claimed these truths came from God, we have no other choice then to conclude either she lied or was dishonest with herself.
---Lee on 11/15/07


Lee: Can God plagiarize? Truth is Truth. Did Jesus plagiarize Isaiah or did Isaiah Plagiarize Jesus? I know, its easier for you to hate EG White than accept cutting truth.
---TS on 11/15/07


dj *Actually, most plagiarists change very few words. Secondly, a careful reading of the texts will tell you if synonyms and re-arrangement has been used. My point stands.*

I believe most people will find the comparisons listed between Ellen White writings & other literary works convincing enough to say Ellen White leaned very heavily if not totally on the works of others.

And that is one reason my point stands as it stands more on the truth than what your assertion attempts to make.
---Lee on 11/15/07


Lee: "Any college English professor that grades compositions will quickly acknowledge most students base their papers upon works of others and simply change a few words to avoid charges of plagiarism while expressing the same thoughts."

Actually, most plagiarists change very few words. Secondly, a careful reading of the texts will tell you if synonyms and re-arrangement has been used. My point stands.
---djconklin on 11/15/07


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Regarding Ellen White's borrowing of material from other authors -

*...using WCopyfind I can do so in minutes.*

Any college English professor that grades compositions will quickly acknowledge most students base their papers upon works of others and simply change a few words to avoid charges of plagiarism while expressing the same thoughts.

In the comparisons of Ellen White's work & that of others that is basically what she did but claiming divine visions for her source.
---Lee on 11/15/07


Lee: "And you spend some 8 years researching ... from which Ellen White created her writings - the Veltman approach?"

The 1st thing that Dr. Veltman had to do was to find the alleged sources. Since he already had alleged sources I didn't have to go find them. Then they (he and his team of researchers) had to read each and every single one of those works--using WCopyfind I can do so in minutes. So, I was able to re-do all 15 chapters that he did, plus more, in 3 years.
---djconklin on 11/13/07


Lee: "And that your academic credentials excel those of Veltman and others who have doctorates in theology?

Who made this a criteria? Who said you had to have a doctorate in theology? Dr. Specht (who along with Cottrell concluded all of DA is less than 2.6% dependent) stated in his study that what prepared him was studying the Synoptic Problem--I did that for 3 years before turning to this. Neither Canright or Rea had doctorates when they made the claim.
---djconklin on 11/13/07


Lee: "so you conclude the Veltman study ( & dozens of others) were invalid because of the original intent was unscientific?"

1) Name "the dozens of others"--thar aren't any.

2) That is the scientific approach--of course, those in a rush to judge others and condemn without the evidence would feel otherwise.
---djconklin on 11/10/07


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I once read about 2 books that were published at same time,had almost same art work cover,were fictional stories that almost paralleled each other,and each author was dismayed that someone else had stolen their work. The fact of the matter was each one independently wrote same story,and no charges could be taken. As to Ellen White, you would think if something she wrote many years after other books,was indeed plagerized,that charges would have been placed, BUT THEY NEVER WERE. Why? No plagerizm occurred!
---Gina7 on 11/10/07


I must defend my position on EW. She matches the description of the women called Jezebel to a tee. If the shoe fits then ???? Also, Great Conterversy page 433 gives all the prove one needs to see that she was being led by the false god. This, however does not make SDA the wrong church. They also fit the description for the Ten Virgins and Sardis.
---Dr._Rich on 11/9/07


djconklin - so you conclude the Veltman study ( & dozens of others) were invalid because of the original intent was unscientific?

And you spend some 8 years researching the books in the White estate from which Ellen White created her writings - the Veltman approach?

And that your academic credentials excel those of Veltman and others who have doctorates in theology?

Yes, your book will sell as there are many SDA desperate to 'disprove' the charge of plagarism.
---Lee on 11/9/07


Lee: "Now you are going to tell us that your examination excelled that of Veltman who concluded that White did use sources w/o giving credit & even denied at times doing so?"

1) Since I have read the 2,222 pages of Dr. Veltman's study I can say that he did not come to the above conclusion.
2) He looked at 15 chapters in one book, I have looked at over 125 chapters in 4 books.
3) He started his study with the presupposition that there was literary borrowing--this is unscientific.
---djconklin on 11/9/07


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Lee: "... the Veltman project & others are among the hordes of authors & books depicting examples of White's plagiarisms. "

Odd that in the intro to his study Dr. Veltman notes that he isn't looking at the plagiarism issue. What were you reading?

Also, he tells us what kind of study that needs to be done to prove, or disprove plagiarism and none of the one's you listed have done that work--I have.
---djconklin on 11/9/07


djconklin - I found this in your reference to religious tolerance.

Investigative Judgment: This refers to a process that started in 1844 CE and remains active in Heaven today. God the Father, Jesus, and Satan are now determining who is saved and who is lost. Only those who have believed in Jesus, have kept God's commandments, kept the faith of Jesus and have retained faith in Jesus will be saved.

So Adventists believe Satan to be our judge as well as Jesus? Awaiting your reply.
---Lee on 11/8/07


There are too many books depicting comparisons between what EGW wrote & other authors have written to ignore the plagiarism charges.

White Washed by Cleveland, White Out by Anderson, Judged by the Gospel by Brinsmead, Walter Rea research papers, the Veltman project & others are among the hordes of authors & books depicting examples of White's plagiarisms.

Certainly any book that attempts to disprove their claims most likely will sell to those who want to believe otherwise.
---Lee on 11/8/07


djconklin - Dr. Veltman spent some 8 years using source material to examine metriculously 15 chapters of Desire of Ages for traces of undocumented borrowed material. He was paid thousands of dollar for the project.

Now you are going to tell us that your examination excelled that of Veltman who concluded that White did use sources w/o giving credit & even denied at times doing so?

Certainly your book will sell as there are those who in desperation want to believe the party line.
---Lee on 11/8/07


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"... research in the 1980's suggested that she had borrowed heavily from contemporary writers. However, in our opinion, "An Analysis of the Literary Dependency of Ellen White" by David J. Conklin demonstrates that there is no proof of Ellen White's plagiarism." Found at Religous Tolerance
---djconklin on 11/8/07


Lee: You bring that nonsense up all the time simply to try to discredit truth. Truth is truth Mr. wizard. Did Jesus Plagiarize the Prophets or did they plagiarize Him?
---TS on 11/6/07


Lee: "... researchers have found Ellen White plagiarized much of the material from other authors."

In fact, Dr. Veltman has told us what needs to be done to prove that and to date I am the only one who has done the work. It will be published shortly in a scholarly, refereed journal. She didn't plagiarize. She was never even threatened with a lawsuit for her work. If she really had plagiarized then why wasn't she taken to court? Because she was innocent of the lie.
---djconklin on 11/6/07


TS - *Read her works: Patriarchs and Prophets, desire of Ages and Great Controversy alongside the Bible and examine for yourselves rather than listen to Lee take her words out of context.
---TS on 11/6/07
Yes, I have both of those books and while it is true that much (not all!) of their contents is biblically accurate, one must recognize that fact that researchers have found Ellen White plagiarized much of the material from other authors.
---Lee on 11/6/07


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Read her works: Patriarchs and Prophets, desire of Ages and Great Controversy alongside the Bible and examine for yourselves rather than listen to Lee take her words out of context.
---TS on 11/6/07


djconklin - *Jesus said that if you so much as say You fool to someone you have broken the commandment Thou shalt not kill*

Agree but one has to acknowledge the obvious - that the SDA pioneers did make fools out of themselves as well as others and in 1844 that was on a grand scale!

If these people would have taken the time to read the New Testament,they would have noticed Matthew 25:13 'Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.'
---Lee on 11/6/07


Lee: "Ellen White was rabid about Millers prediction of the 2d coming of Christ on 22 October 1844."

Jesus said that if you so much as say "You fool" to someone you have broken the commandment "Thou shalt not kill." Bearing false witness against one's neighbor is also a sin. One who serves God in the spirit of love would not have made the above remark.
---djconklin on 11/6/07


Ellen White was rabid about Millers prediction of the 2d coming of Christ on 22 October 1844.

When confronted by those in the church that knew the Bible she refused to renounce her error and was expelled from her church. No one knows the hour or day (Matthew 5:13) is one verse of Scripture she refused to acknowledge.

This is simply a matter of public record and should not be disregarded.
---Lee on 11/5/07


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EGW was never booted out of the church..She continued her work world wide..she opened churches thruout australia and new zealand ans she started the Sanitarium Food business all over the world to help educate people into healthy eating..quote to us the bk that EGW said the above..
---pammy on 11/2/07


"I read ... encyclopedias ... the 2d Great Awakening was from 1800 to 1830 Adventism was not a part of that movement as their Great Disappointment occurs in 1844."

No problem w/reading encyclopedias--HS students do that. But, a great deal of reductionism takes place to make things fit within their pages. The Millerite movement was an extension of the Awakening and thus can be called aprt of it. The SDA church wasn't founded till 1863 so it isn't the same as the Millerite movement.
---djconklin on 10/31/07


djconklin - forgive me if I read the encyclopedias but the 2d Great Awakening was from 1800 to 1830 Adventism was not a part of that movement as their Great Disappointment occurs in 1844.

While the Great Awakening did inspire many Christians regarding escotology, there were other cultic groups that arose thereafter. Prominent among them were the Mormons with their golden plates, and Seventh Day Adventists with the psychic visions of Ellen White.
---lee on 10/31/07


Mr. Rich: You are a FALSE witness! If one is truly interested in truth, why would he read an attack piece by antagonists? If you really want to know the truth about Ellen White, READ HER WORKS and compare them to the BIBLE. You'll be glad you did!
---jerry6593 on 10/31/07


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Lee: "Ellen White was stuck in the 19th century believing that ... fall of the Ottoman empire, ... were 'proofs' that the second coming of Christ was imminent."

You are mistaken by labeling it all to her alone. Thousands of Christians across deniominational lines believed it. It was paert of the Second Great Awakening in our country--tho not restricted to us alone. When the fall of the ottoman empire was predicted and came true some atheists were converted to Christianity as a result.
---djconklin on 10/30/07


Ellen White was stuck in the 19th century believing that the Lisbon earthquake, the fall of the Ottoman empire, the French Revolution and a metorite shower all were 'proofs' that the second coming of Christ was imminent.

Ellen White also strongly believed in the false prediction of William Miller and the closed door - that salvation was no longer available and that even up into the 1850's.

It was no wonder they booted her out of the church.
---lee on 10/30/07


"Yes, EGW was a prophet--a FALSE prophet."

Assumes facts without evidence. And when we do look closely at the claims made by the critics (74 claims so far) they fail every time.

Bearing false witness is a sin.
---djconklin on 10/30/07


many of you say she is not a prophet..where is your proof? Are you God to say so? contradicted the bible 58 times..name them..if you can..I cant prove to you that she is but I do know this, she speaks and fears God greatly..no other author speaks of God as she does..where is your proof?
---jana on 10/30/07


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Jerry - *Then again, you always go by the doctrines of men rather than the Commandments of God, don't you?*

Nay, in fact, you cannot point to a single New Testament doctrine that I do not subscribe to. Your problem is that you create doctrine from the Old Testament not the New.
---lee on 10/29/07


DrRich: Rev2:18 "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write, These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass"

This text is describing Jesus. I know Ellen White did her best to emulate His example but she is not quite the savior. You seem confused. Thanks for the reference.
---TS on 10/29/07


YES, she was a prophet, but a FALSE prophet. Read Rev. 2:18- to see that she was mentioned in the bible and would do what she has done. Read "The Spirit Of Truth" by Neufeld and Sterling to understand truth.
---Dr._Rich on 10/29/07


Yes, EGW was a prophet--a FALSE prophet.
---Jack on 10/29/07


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Darlene: "If Ellen White was a prophet she would not contridict the Bible over and over in her writtings."

It has been claimed that EGW contradicted the Bible 53 times. And in each and every single case the contradiction was created by the critics because of their wooden, literalistic and simplistic reading of the texts.
---djconklin on 10/29/07


Brent: IMHO, you are not far from the kingdom.
---jerry6593 on 10/29/07


Lee: "How did you observe 22 October the anniversary of Christ entering into the Holy of Holies in 1844" You know, I just can't seem to find a biblical command to do that! Maybe it's just a stupid question. Then again, you always go by the doctrines of men rather than the Commandments of God, don't you?
---jerry6593 on 10/29/07


Andrea, I was baptized as an SDA when a child, my father, and his father and so on were SDA ministers. My mother an editor in the Review (adventist publishing house). I've and known a number of the 'greats' of the church. No one has ever required me to believe EGW as a test of faith. I've also met and talked and had ongoing friendships with her critics. All agree on one thing it is not EGW who we should follow, it is God and him alone. The verbiage in a book may be confusing, but the heart is not.
---dan on 10/29/07


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Growing up, my neighbors across the street were SDA. My first "puppy love" was a SDA girl from school. I even went to her church a few times. They are great people. I don't believe as they do, but I found them to be profoundly dedicated Christian's not just doctrinally, but also in their everyday lives. Matt 24:13 "he that endures to the end will be saved". Maybe EGW was right about holding off saying anything about being saved, because you never know till the end (like Christ said).
---Brent on 10/28/07


The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus tells us that Herod died shortly after an eclipse of the moon(Antiquities of the Jews, Book XVII, Chapter VI, end of 4th paragraph), but prior to Passover (Wars of the Jews, Book II, Chapter I, paragraph 3.) A total eclipse on occured January 10th, 1 BC at 1.35 am. If He died shortly after Jan 10, 1 BC, his attempt to kill baby Jesus was before this. This correlates with Jesus being born 4 BC
---Gina7 on 10/27/07


Herod was alive when Jesus was born: Mat2:16 "Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men." If Herod was dead shortly after Jan 10,1BC, the time of the Eclipse, his decree to kill all babies 2 years & under was issued most likely in 2 BC, going back to 4 BC.
---Gina7 on 10/27/07


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