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Am I At The Wrong Church

I am in a big trial. I think I may be at the wrong church. I need biblical advice, badly. This situation is driving me crazy. Please help, someone. I can't go to my pastor. Thank you, Angela

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1: the ONLY righteousness available to human beings is righteousness by FAITH, there is no righteousness by law or works, ALL BY FAITH. either by justification ( believe that God is, can, does, and will do for our salvation, God thus imputing to us his righteous) Or Sanctification (Christ in our hearts by faith, working in us to strengthening the inner man, causing us to obey his laws, God thus imparting to us his righteousness)

2: Every single human being Jew or non-Jew, Hebrew or shebrew is saved by ONE MEANS: GRACE. Not a single soul is saved by any other means
---francis on 7/9/13


I'd like to know, francis, how you can make the foolish statements that you did about shirl without knowing anything about her or her church?
---Elder on 7/9/13


I've had several to tell me how baptist are heretics. that just don't sit well with me. my church is based on the whole bible, not one verse here and there.
---shira4368 on 7/9/13

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING111111

EITHER 1, YOU DONOT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES
2, YOU DONOT KNOW WHAT BAPTIST TEACH
3, YOU DO NOT CARE



READ "In Essentials Unity - Way of Life Literature"
---francis on 7/9/13


It depends what a "denomination" teaches
Under "grace" justification is by faith alone without law.(Eph 2:8-9 Titus 3:4-5)
Under "law" faith and works were needed for justification.
(James 2:14 James 2:24)
There are two ways of salvation taught. Both through Christs' shed blood. One for Israel, the other the church, the boC. One, the subject of prophecy, the other the subject of mystery. One under law, the other under grace.

Which is God working today?

Do we go to Israel for instructions, Isaiah 2:1-5, Micah 4:1-2) or has Israel been set aside as Rom 11:11,12,25,26, say?
Understanding this is the real division as seen in Eph. 2:11-13, and what churches should teach.

---michael_e on 7/9/13


Angela,

I understand, I had problems with my church a few years ago and had to leave. First, pray to God and ask yourself a question. Are they teaching from the Bible, are hey straying from the Bible, or are they completely unfocused on the Word, being mired in human traditions or some other bog. God will tell you the answer very clearly. Secondly, there are two responses to this observation, ask God for the answer.

1: Should I confront the leaders with other Christians who see what I do?

or

2: Should I just leave?
---A_servant on 7/9/13




MarkV - teach the essentials of the Christian faith ,

Going though these blogs here, Don't you think that there Two Gospels going on, One the free will people - They are having something to do with there salvation, And from what I can tell this is Big, And the other side that believe in , God's sovereign election, As the Bible say's One Gospel - Just would like to here your opinion, Thanks
---RICHARDC on 7/9/13


markv, I've had several to tell me how baptist are heretics. that just don't sit well with me. my church is based on the whole bible, not one verse here and there. my pastor got his phd last summer. he is a master at word studies. I will always be what I am.
---shira4368 on 7/9/13


Shira, only certain people on line have said the demominations are creations of satan. Very few and Steveng is one of them.
What many do not understand is that the elect will be gathered from all corners of the world when the time comes. Many have not made a committment yet, others have and they go to church at one place or another. Some to home churches, others to bigger churches. Of course denominations differ one from another, but most of them teach the essentials of the Christian faith, but differ in non-essentials. Minor issues.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13


I actually don't get why people think denomination is evil. my denomination tells what I believe. when I tell someone I am a fundamental baptist, they know what I believe without a doubt. many churches are taking their denomination off the church sign. that is what I call generic. anything goes and no one knows what they believe....well, they group it all together.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


Steveng: 'then denominational churches are not a place to grow and mature in Christ'

Steven, while you may have a point in some areas - WHAT ARE YOU COMPARING THEM TO?

I think you took the pre-idea, that 'denomination is evil' without a proof, and then used that to prove your belief.

A denomination can be even defined as the idea that there should not be an over-arching leader of the church - meaning that everything except the Orthodox, Catholic and Anglican suddenly becomes denominational - even if it a house church!

As I say, it is a proof proven only because you believed it before you proved it
---Peter9556 on 7/8/13




Steveng, again you trash the gathering of believers. You say,

"If one is looking for a true relationship with God, has a genuine love for others, and who actively seeks God's kingdom then denominational churches are not a place to grow and mature in Christ."

suggesting the Holy Spirit can be stopped from working in a believers life, if he belongs to a denomination. Who has more power then God? no one. It matters not where a believer goes, because the Holy Spirit is never stopped by man. No one defeats the purpose of God for a believers life.
"Moreover, whom He predestined, these He also called, whom He called, these He also justified, and whom He justified, these He also glorified."
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13


To answer this question I would need to have some more information. I believe the Seventh day Adventist church teaches correct doctrine. But in our church we have false Christians. Which I believe is true for most churches.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/13


\\If one is looking for a true relationship with God, has a genuine love for others, and who actively seeks God's kingdom then denominational churches are not a place to grow and mature in Christ.\\
---Steveng on 2/6/13


How about you do a KJV bible search for "relationship with God" and see how many results you come up with?

It's a subjective notion at best, because everybody has a different idea of what a relationship actually is. You're just as well off teaching that we need "chemistry" or "sparks" with God

So how is it that you teaching an unbiblical doctrine is any better than the Southern Baptists teaching the same unbiblical doctrine?
---James_L on 2/6/13


If one is looking for a true relationship with God, has a genuine love for others, and who actively seeks God's kingdom then denominational churches are not a place to grow and mature in Christ. Just being around christians is all that is needed. Do an online KJV bible search for the words "one another", "each other", and "comfort" and actively apply what you have learned to really grow and mature in Christ.
---Steveng on 2/6/13


. I think I may be at the wrong church. I need biblical advice, badly
---Angela on 10/5/07


ONE simle solution:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

When you find a church, where the doctrine is the same yesterday today and forever, when you find a church that does not say God/ jesus has changed his doctrine on XYZ then you will know that you are in the true church of God


Every church/ denomination has a copy of it's beliefs and practices somewhere.

Ask for it then:
Acts 17:11 search the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
---francis on 2/6/13


//"I will send you a pastor after my own heart"//

Excuse me...where is that? Who is the "you," and who is this "pastor?"

Angela may be at the wrong church. However, I am curious why she can't go to the pastor. Going to a "pastor" many times doesn't work, depending on the issue. A "pastor" usually sees himself as "the messenger of God," with God giving him messages. So, lots of luck there.

Without more information any advise would really be out of place. However, assuming a person is a believer, I'd say, "trust your gut." I'd rather trust mine as someone else's.
---Rod4Him on 2/4/13


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I don't know why you can't go to your pastor! There is a Scripture coming to my mind where God says, "I will send you a pastor after my own heart". Don't go crazy.
---pat on 2/2/13


I would say to first see if she knows people who go to another church, and ask them to introduce her to their pastor......

interesting and if those people are at the wrong church then what does she do.

And there in lies the problem instead of seeking the Father in Heaven in prayer you tell her to seek a human.

The Father calls those to HIM, mankind does not call each other to God.

Afterall it could be the Father in Heaven calling her out of that church to get her away from the wolf at that church and you recommend she seek a humans advice possibly finding another wolf!!! The Lord warned his followers that many would come in his name and deceive many (not a few)
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/1/13


Follower of Christ: There, while I agree there is a problem, I disagree with your solution.

There is a reason for the gathering of the Christians.

I would say to first see if she knows people who go to another church, and ask them to introduce her to their pastor, and if not to just go in and explain the problem to a pastor she does not know

Of course I know this blog is really old!!
---Peter on 2/1/13


If you cannot go to your pastor that is your first clue to get out of this organization, instead spend time praying and reading Gods holy word on your own. There are many false churches established on the name of Jesus not a few.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/9/12


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Hello,blogger9211...hope got your name,number correct,bless you and yes, I understand your point. Wow! Thankyou. Love of JESUS
---ELENA on 10/4/12


Elena, that makes as much since as scheduling the Presentational debate after the election is over. ChristiaNet blogs now after years has a 75 entry cut off it also needs a 120 day expiration. Any question after 120 days in no longer pertinent and continuing to debate them constitutes bad stewardship of your time. The purpose of these blogs is only to address the bloggers questions not the mindless bickering that goes on between posters not sticking to the subject.
---Blogger9211 on 10/3/12


Hello,blogger 9211 ha,ha, you got a point,I could not see, I have only one. Eye,smile, but anyway,you would be surprized how these bloggs help. Because. somebody may just be in this same situation. Bless you.
---ELENA on 10/3/12


This question is from October 2007. Do you really think Angela is still waiting on an answer. Get your miserable acts together and concentrate on blog questions that have actual meaning.
---Blogger9211 on 10/3/12


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In the context of the "tree" bearing bad fruit, the topic is about false teachings (Matt. 7:15-20).
These deceive not by disguising themselves as sheep, but by impersonating true sheperds (trees). They promote the wide gate and the wide way, "sheep clothing" refers to the woolen attire that was the characteristic garb of a sheperd.
"you will know them by their fruits" False doctrine cannot restrain the flesh, so false prophets manifest wickedness (2 Peter 2:21,22). A bad tree only produces bad fruit. It is not talking about the Vine or the branches.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/12


James L, now you resort to slander. What I discussed with Haz was about,

"The reason they practice lawlessness is because they do not have Christ.\\
---Mark_V. on 9/29/12


It concern (Matt. 7:21-23). talking about those whom Jesus mentioned He did not know, who practiced lawlessness. It had nothing whatsoever to do with any other passage or context. Here the subject is about false teachers (v.15) the wolves who claimed they did many things for Christ. "You will know them by their fruits" Their teachings were false teachings. They did not have Christ, so they were not His Prophets. That is why they practice lawlessness. Get it right. You are a confused angry person.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/12


James L, I never spoke about fruits been behavior.\\
---Mark V on 10/1/12

You are a liar !! From not too long ago:


\\Jesus taught about a "Good Tree" and a "Bad Tree" in (Matthew 7:17-19)...The Good Tree produces Good Fruit, and the Bad Tree produces Bad Fruit.\\
---David on 9/30/10


\\Now, good fruit and bad fruit. Lets talk first of bad tree....and as we know from seeing the lost, they do a lot of good works (fruit)...//
---MarkV. on 9/30/10


The blog is:
Saved Same As Born Again
started 9/24/10


just in case anyone wants to go see what you wrote in full.


You are a liar. You definitely equated the fruit to works and behavior
---James_L on 10/2/12


James L, I never spoke about fruits been behavior. In fact the passage in (Matt. 7:21-23) go along with (v.15-20). The bad trees are the false prophets in sheeps clothing, actually, ravenous wolves. The good fruit is the Gospel Truth. Only good trees, genuine godly prophets produce good fruit. And many will say to Him on that Day:
"Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in You name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, You who practice lawlessness" Those false prophets, God did not know as His prophets. The passages have nothing to do with whether someone is sinless or not but whether they are teaching the gospel of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/12


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"Many will say to Me in that day (Judgment) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matt. 7:22,23).
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12

francis, not because they practice lawlessness, but because "He never knew them."

The reason they practice lawlessness is because they do not have Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/29/12

Take your time, gather your thoughts, be sure that your thoughts and your text match up, then repost
---francis on 9/30/12


\\Haz has not been talking about practicing sin, he has been talking about sinlessness.\\

What's the difference?
Considering that you espouse a "fruit" doctrine from the parable of the sower and the Sermon on the Mount. We are known by our fruits, right? And you say fruit is behavior, right?

Yet Jesus said a goot tree cannot bear bad fruit...does that mean you know something Christ doesn't know?

Can a good tree bear bad fruit, even though Christ said it can't?

And I'm not sure what an inheritance has to do with this blog. You holding a grudge and bearing bad fruit?
---James_L on 9/30/12


James L, Haz has not been talking about practicing sin, he has been talking about sinlessness. Get it right before you try to correct me. I do not mind correction when I am wrong, like yesterday.
I have been telling him that believers do not practice sin, but they do sin. He says the passages do not say practicing but that believers do not sin, that they are sinless. A big difference there James. Find something useful to do, instead of trying to slander as you did Trey before the blog closed. You use to be a great guy before I disagreed with you on the answer of inheritance, what happened to you since?
---Mark_V. on 9/30/12


\\The reason they practice lawlessness is because they do not have Christ.\\
---Mark_V. on 9/29/12


You know, that's exactly what Haz27 has been saying to you for over a year - those with Chrsit do not practice lawlessness. Yet you call Haz a liar.

Why is it true when you say it, yet it's a lie when someone else says the same thing?
---James_L on 9/29/12


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francis, not because they practice lawlessness, but because "He never knew them." No matter how much they did for the Lord, "He never knew them as His Children."
"For whom "He foreknew," He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called, whom He called, these He also justified, and whom He justified, these He also glorified" (Rom. 8:29).
The reason they practice lawlessness is because they do not have Christ. Read the Bible. Jesus Christ can relieve you of the yoke you carry as pride.
---Mark_V. on 9/29/12


"I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matt. 7:22,23).
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12

So we can agree that those who practice LAWLESSNESS will be told to depart from God.

Look at all these things they did SUCESFULY in the NAME OF JESUS:
1: prophesied
2: cast out demons
3: done many wonders

All of these done succesfuly in JESUS NAME, and yet they are cast out why?
"you who practice lawlessness" Matthew 7:23

So we go back to what the BIBLE says:
Isaiah 8:20, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12

Keep the LAW, Obey the COmmandments ( do not practice lawlessness) AND have faith in Jesus
---francis on 9/28/12


"Many will say to Me in that day (Judgment) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matt. 7:22,23).
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12
OPEN YOUR EYES
Jesus does not know them, because they did not know him


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 9/28/12


francis, instead of the law, you should be preaching about the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12

OPEN YOU EYES


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the TESTIMONY: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant ...which keep the commandments of God, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the FAITH OF JESUS.

Why do you not say that the writers of revelation and isaiah are wrong, that only Jesus shold be preached and not the law or the commandments?
---francis on 9/28/12


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francis, instead of the law, you should be preaching about the Lord Jesus Christ. And telling others that works save no one, that people are saved by the Grace of God through faith. All who are saved by grace through faith make up the spiritual body of Christ. It is a spiritual body, not an SDA physical body which is mixed with wheat and tars. No visible Church is without tars. That means goats, unbelievers. Here is what Jesus says of those,
"Many will say to Me in that day (Judgment) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matt. 7:22,23).
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12


"But when I hear a young man tell me that they would go to heaven even if they mudered people that shocks me."
-Samuelbb7


Bad news for you Samuel. The sinner that is sent to eternal damnation is not because he/she committed murder, adultery or covet his neighbor goods, just to name a few of the multitudes of sins. Didn't Paul (aka Saul) murdered Christians? And yet I can assure you that he's now in Paradise with the Lord - does this shock you?

If one goes to hell, it's because they are in UNBELIEF of God's Word, period. The gravity of their unbelief is telling God that He's a liar in what He declares. Doesn't this warrant God to throw them in hell?

Obviously you do not have a clue of salvation by grace.
---christan on 9/27/12


Really? Does it say so in the Bible that the SDA is the way, the truth and life?
---christan on 9/26/12

HERE IS THE SDA POSITION ON THE CHURCH

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant ...which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE HERE ARE TAKING THAT POSITION?

Do you not see that most here want to accept the testimonies of Jesus, but not the law or the commandments?
Do you agree That the church of God MUST teach both?
---francis on 9/27/12


Thanks Trey. The children of God come to Christ from everywhere. francis sounds the rich young ruler.
Jesus told him if he wanted to enter into life to keep the Commandments. Jesus gave him six Commandments, no Sabbath mentioned. The ruler said he kept them all. Jesus told him to sell all he had and give to the poor, the young ruler refused. Jesus exposed his sin. He loved his possessions more then he love Christ and follow Him, (Matt. 19:16). It was a call of faith. The young ruler sin was his own love for his possessions, he had already rejected Jesus claim to Lordship over his life. Thus he walked away in unbelief. SDA's claim they keep the Commandments and others don't, but sin still remains. They are no different then any believer.
---Mark_V. on 9/27/12


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Sammuelbb7, I like your answer, and can see by your writings that you have a love for God. I know that love only comes from God.

I believe that our God has his people in kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. Many of his people are Catholics, SDA, Baptist, Methodist, Assembly of God, Church of Christ, etc. Also within each of these denominations there are ravening and grievious wolves in sheeps clothing (Matt 7:15, Acts 20:29, etc.).

Let me say this, we are saved by grace. What many people do not understand is that our good works don't get us to heaven. We do good works and have love one to another because of the grace of God shed on our hearts. God made us good! A true child of God hates sin and does not want to sin!
---trey on 9/26/12


\\But when I hear a young man tell me that they would go to heaven even if they mudered people that shocks me.\\
---Samuelbb7 on 9/26/12


Why is it that murder is the only example ever used?

Would it shock you if I said I will go to heaven, even if I became a glutton?

What if I said that I'll go to heaven, even if I were to gossip?

Would it shock you if I said that I will go to heaven, even if I started saying pretentious prayers?

Why is murder your only reference for sin?

Common among the self-righteous to condemn only what you're not guilty of.
---James_L on 9/26/12


We Seventh day Adventist talk of the law because many Christians believe or act as if they have a liscene to sin. They go around saying there is no law and ignore what is right and wrong as it suits them.

This is not true of all Christians. But when I hear a young man tell me that they would go to heaven even if they mudered people that shocks me. It is not okay to murder people either by guns or by lies.

We Seventh day Adventist are not under law nor do we put Ellen G. White as our head. We follow JESUS CHRIST and his example. We love GOD and are saved by Grace to live in love which means we hate sin which is breaking the law of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/26/12


francis, there you go, I knew it would come out. Now you say,
"Let me just make it clear, if you are not in the seventh day adventist church, you are not in the church"
Why all the other smoke screens? Why all the talk of the Law?
"the [Old] Law is holy, spiritual, and good, yet still imperfect. Like a tutor it shows what must be done, but does not itself give the strength, the grace of the Spirit, to fulfill it. Because of sin, which it cannot remove, it remains a law of bondage.
"The Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel"
No animal sacrifice could take away our sins. Only the Perfect Scrifice of Christ can.
Your denomination is still under the Law. Too much EG White.
---Mark_V. on 9/26/12


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"Let me just make it clear, if you are not in the seventh day adventist church, you are not in the church."

Really? Does it say so in the Bible that the SDA is the way, the truth and life?

Simply remember what Paul declared in Acts 17:24,25 - "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands, Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things"

Is your "church" made with hands?
---christan on 9/26/12


Angela, do not confuse the Law and Grace. Those who keep the Law will never receive Grace because they kept the Law.
---Mark_V. on 9/26/12

If you church is not teaching you to keep the law, you are in the wrong chruch:

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Let me just make it clear, if you are not in the seventh day adventist church, you are not in the church
---francis on 9/26/12


Angela, do not confuse the Law and Grace. Those who keep the Law will never receive Grace because they kept the Law. Salvation is not of works but of Grace. Those who are saved by Grace through faith, do keep the Commandments of God, maybe not every single moment, since no one is sinless, but we are saved by grace unto good works. The law never saved anyone. Only the Grace of God.
Find a good teaching Church that is not under the Law, but a Church that follows the Spirit of the Law. Saturday Sabbath was a ceremonial law for the Jews under the Law, that does not have to be followed. You can worship any day or all days. We take our rest in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/26/12


Angela on 10/5/07
Finding the right church is EASY:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant ... which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 9/22/12


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I recommend you to talk to your pastor. Express him your feelings of doubt, ask key questions, and if the answers do not convince you, then find another church. That's what I did, and he was kind enough to answer all of my questions. Those answers leaved me in shock, and I was convinced that I was INDEED in the wrong church.
---Paula on 9/22/12


Yes, there is only one church.
---duke on 12/15/07


I see nothing wrong with Christians fellowshipping with more than one congregation. We are greatly blessed with the churches that we visit since we live almost 100 miles from our home church.
---Susie on 10/9/07


Angela.....If your church does not preach the gospel of Christ than it preaches a false gospel.It is about Jesus Christ and Him alone.
---JIM on 10/9/07


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mima - I can only imagine what the reformers must have felt when they read "Come out of her"
we need to be in fellowship with him and each other but not necessarily a denomination. We need to be in a place of growth not in a place of stagnation. We need to be listening to the Lord
---Andrea on 10/9/07


You say you are going Crazythat does not say anything.You want Biblical advice well,The only 2 words which sy "MY church" is contained in Mat16:17-19go to a priest talk to him he is the minister by Apostolic succession.And PRAY easnestly.always remember."Come to ME all who are laboured & burdened and Iwill refresh you."My prayers are with you too.
---Emcee on 10/9/07


Angela, It's obvious from your question that your spirit is troubled greatly. Personally, I believe that if you 'were exactly where' the Lord wants you, you would have a great PEACE ABOUT IT. Ask God in FAITH to show you where he would have you be.You've ask a tough question that only God can answer. If God is continually showing you in His Word that this church is in error, I'd seek God and look elswhere.You will be in my prayers
---jack8937 on 10/9/07


the_watchman,

I know! Many churches are deceived by the "prosperity doctrine". Paul said it best, "I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength." Philip. 4:12b-13
Did the Apostles or Jesus push, "Get rich! Here's how!" ? NO
We need to practice being thankful... for good AND bad.
---Jen on 10/8/07


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#-1- I cannot tell you everything simply because the do not know everything. But we can be certain of somethings for example, we are not waiting for the apostate church NO! It is here right now. Witness all the different kinds of messages that are not about the Lord Jesus Christ. Because many pastors have been called by their mothers or easy lifestyle and not God naturally their messages play havoc with the church.
---Mima on 10/8/07


#-2-and so the question becomes what can we do? For one thing we can give more time to reading and studying our Bible, we can increase our prayer life, we can may contact with good Christian people outside of the conventional church. If we do these things we can escape the pollution that is falling from the pulpit's in this hour.
---Mima on 10/8/07


#-3-people in church congregations are far too dependent upon the pastors and leaders. Bible clearly says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" and doing this is more important, because it concerns your salvation, than listen to and following our pastors or leaders. Be encouraged the situation in the churches has not caught God unaware. And prayer will lead you in the right path. Perhaps an untrodden path but the right path.
---Mima on 10/8/07


watchman - I agree with you about 'the secret'
It is new age.
But all false religions and cults have a piece of truth and we should look for that in order to combat it. I would pray for this pastor and believe God for him to see what this is and it should not be approved of in the church.
---caleb on 10/8/07


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Watchman,
Ever pastor deservs grace on one bad sermon, but if he's not preaching from the Bible then you're under the wrong pastor. So you can raise the issue to the church following Matt. 18 or leave. Pray for Guidance.
---Gilbert on 10/8/07


This past sunday my pastor says there are many good things we can learn from the book 'the secret' he then rebuked other christians for speaking out about this book and it's teachings. Then to top things off we all got a 40 min sermon on how to become a millionaire by using the Law of Attraction. can someone please tell me just what in the heck is going on in the churches in america?
---the_watchman on 10/8/07


You can, as Whisper said, ask for a sign but be specific. Don't just say, "give me a sign." Tell God the sign you want to see.
One other thing. God does give signs when we need guidance but only if He hasn't already given us His will clearly in His word. If we're doing what He says in His word and still need guidance, then ask for a specific sign.
---robin8683 on 10/8/07


Amen WHISPER! I agree!

Jeremiah 33:3
Call to Me and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.

Psalm 40:1
I waited patiently for the LORD, and He inclined to me, and heard my cry.
He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay and set my feet upon a rock and ESTABLISHED MY STEPS. He has put a new song in my mouth. Praise to our God! Many will see it and fear and will trust in the LORD.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


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I see a little more but still feel a bit in the dark. God I need a direct and quick sign from you. Direct my paths where I am to attend, I want to be in the center of your perfect will Amen. And God should give you a sign.
---Whisper on 10/7/07


(CONT.)there's alot more to it. I love my church and everyone in it very, very much. But I feel like God is telling me to go. I want to be sure it is God, you know? All of the scriptures the Lord has led me to was to avoid the things going on in my church. Let me know if you need more info., thanks
---Angela on 10/6/07


I am in a situation, where I have had many surgeries in a year and no one from my church has called or even visit me. I went to the Pastor's wife to see when would be a good time for me and my husband and her and the Pastor could get together and talk. She said to me, well he (Pastor) is really busy, I don't know when we could talk. I went ahead and told her how I felt, in a long letter. It has been 4 days and she hasn't responded. CONT:
---Rebecca_D on 10/6/07


CONT: I prayed and I asked God what should I do. While praying he spoke to me and told me that I need to stay right where I am at. Meaning he isn't finished with me in this church yet. Angela: You need to go to the Pastor, if he is a man of God, he will be concerned and he will listen and give guidance. If he doesn't seem to care, then take it to God, as I did. If God releases you from that church, then leave. If he tells you to stay and that is where he wants you right now. Then stay at that church.
---Rebecca_D on 10/6/07


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Angela, what do you mean when you say "I am in a big trial"?
When I first saw your question, I thought you meant you were a member of a jury at some major trial, and needed guidance, but could not go to your pastor because he is local and to speak to him about it would prejudice your position as a juror.
It seems others also do not understand your question
---alan_of_UK on 10/6/07


Angela,

The Lord God gave us his Holy Spirit to guide us (Psms 37:23). Sometimes it's like a gut fealing. If something is telling you deep down that your in the wrong church, then I would suggest you get out.

Pray about it. Ask God. Walk by faith.

1jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I'll pray for you.
---trey on 10/6/07


I'm curious as to why you think you are in the wrong church. Do they teach doctrine that is unbiblical? Are the members anything but Christ like?
What sort of Biblical advice are you looking for?
Do you need to take Bible studies? they are available by mail, on video, or with a Biblically knowledgable person.
Most important, Pray. Ask God to lead you to the right church.
---robin8683 on 10/6/07


It would be easier to give advice, biblical or otherwise, if some details were given. What type of "trial" are you in, why can't you go to your pastor? This is not a situation to be taken lightly. I am sure there is plenty of advice available once a little more detail is given
---tommy3007 on 10/6/07


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I don't totaly get the whole picture, however, if you are in the wrong church, you need to pray to God to send the Holy Spirit to direct you to the right church, In the name of Jesus. Never attend a church that adds words to the Holy of Holies the Bible or takes from or tries to inject man made doctrine. Revelation 22:18-19. Why can't you go to your pastor?
---Whisper on 10/6/07


Have you tried praying for the pastor? That is good for him and also very good, spiritually, for you.
---ed_the_other_one on 10/6/07


Hope you can stick around with us to discuss this, Angela. You can post some specifics. Every bit of the Bible can help you somehow. For just one example...Eve was able to be a bad influence on Adam. You would think God's perfect woman would have done better. Lesson? > you might be right and a good sister, but watch your own self and don't get tricked into just noticing how the church is wrong > keep evaluating yourself.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/6/07


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