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God's Unmerited Favor

Is a permissible and/or correct for an individual to seek God's grace. To ask for God's unmerited favor? What can a person offer in exchange for God's unmerited favor?

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God was reconciling the world to HIMSELF through Jesus Christ, not counting mens sins against them.
This makes me weep with joy. We have a Father in heaven who truely loves us.
This is the good news
---duane on 6/9/09

Romans 6:23

23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thank You Father, I have eternal life through Jesus Christ.

So many want to destroy the simplicity of the Gospel.

Duane is correct. The ONLY sin is rejecting the FREE GIFT of reconciliation Jesus Christ brought to mankind through HIS death and resurrection!

MarkV, As long as you TAKE AWAY THE whosoever will ,the argument with these other folks will always be focused on sin. Think about it.

Sin is rejecting Jesus Christ..period.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/09


Isa 57:21
There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Isa 48:22
There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

Mal 3:18
Then shall ye return, and discern
between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Rom 6:16
Know ye not,
that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey,
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?

You can see that by our actions we are judged as to whether we are called The Righteous or The Wicked. That is the need for the warnings that Christ has given, so we give it too.Lk6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit.
---SuzieH on 6/9/09

Preaching the word is according to the commandments of God. Twist the word is of the devil.
Preach to obey God is the gospel. Twist the word and indirectly preach not to obey God is another gospel. It is not good to twist the word of God. It will have its consequence and nobody can escape that damnation.
---Dave on 6/9/09

Christ died for all, but all will not be saved.

Luke 11:52
Woe unto you, lawyers!
for ye have taken away the key of knowledge...

2Pe 2:20-21
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled therein,
and overcome
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning
...than, after they have known it,
to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

They are entangled in sin and overcome
because they didn't turn from it and ask forgiveness.

We are to overcome until the end striving against sin to be counted worthy to inherit the promise of salvation. Heb 3:12, 2Th 1:5, Rev 22:14
---SuzieH on 6/9/09

Dave, since you teach that the wages of sin is death, to even those who are saved, or you without sin? Have you reached that goal and now you want everyone to reach it? If you sin, then the same passages you give others also pertains to you a sinner.
Instead of saying people should not continue in habitual sinning, you say if someone sins he is lost. And I am sure you sin every day. Lets take one sin here that you commit everyday, you teach a false salvation, one of works of the Law. That is a very big sin. Everyday you give more and more of the same. Most of you speak about other peoples sin, when in reality you should take care of your own sin. How can you teach what you yourselves are not able to do?
---MarkV. on 6/9/09

You rebuttal John with your ignorance. You neither referred Bible nor even read his explanation.
You wrote: "How can you earn it?" Earned it by being humble and obedient. Until you are humble and obedient, you will never receive grace.
God has given a measure of faith to every man. But, until that man add his work to it as Abraham did, his faith is dead. So, those who are saved, not you, have added their work in their faith. It is not the works of circumcision, tradition, and ceremonies, but their works of righteousness.
---Dave on 6/9/09

If people do not know they are going to hell
why would they even follow any religion or Idea
There is no reason, because there is no consequences for them not living right. America is in the shape it is in right now because they do not believe in hell, And people like you who do not preach it are sending them there and their blood is on your hands.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This was Jesus preaching Hell, I can give you numerous scripture where he preached hell.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09

Your rebuttal to Anne: "God doesn't leave us but we can leave Him"
She has given the explanation very clearly in her post. You pretending not to have read it, play around with object words. Put it this way: God is omnipresent and so, he does not leave any one. But, we can leave God's will any time, even though we cannot escape his presence.
I think this is not a rebuttal, but you made it up. "no one can snatch you out of His hands, etc." Just because a bully cannot snatch a young boy from his father's hand, does that mean that the boy cannot walk out of his father's hand at all. Your logic has no sense.
---Dave on 6/9/09

We need to obey the Lord and preach reconciliation instead of damnation and hellfire. There is only one Gospel and that is the message of reconciliation so please OBEY and preach and teach the good news.
The ones that preach another Gospel are in danger of damnation.
Please know, Christ died for ALL.
---duane on 6/9/09

"God doesn't leave us but we can leave Him"
1. If God doesn't leave you, how can you leave Him? How can you separate from someone as God when He never leaves you? That is a contradiction of terms.
You can go around trying your to hide from Him but He is always with you, attach to you.
2. If no one can snatch you out of His hands, How is it possible for you to snatch yourself out of His hands? Doesn't no one mean "No One?"
John, Your contradiction:
You said, "By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves" If it is not of yourself, How can you earn it? If you earn it, it is of yourself. Only those with a false doctrine can think of that.
---MarkV. on 6/9/09

The devil teaches how to bluff. God gives his word.
"The wages of sin is death." That is, those who call themselves saved and sinning will face eternal death. That is, they will burn in hell fire.
"Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he suffered, 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of ETERNAL SALVATION UNTO all THEM that OBEY HIM,"
Jesus Christ obeyed God the Father. He gives eternal salvation to those who obey him. Those who bluff will find a place with the devil who taught them to bluff.
---Dave on 6/8/09

Donna~ I think my last post to Duane answered your questions.

True, God doesn't leave us, but we can leave Him very very easily. That is why we must put on the whole armor of God each day and fight off the deceits/temptations of evil and the deceptions of 'smooth talking' teachers who don't reveal the full truth of God's word but promote licenciousness etc.

If we leave Him through returning back to sin & /or deception, we are separated from God. We can't serve 2 masters for we will either choose to love sin/our will, or God and His will. God does 'not know those' who serve sin for sin is of the devil.

The only way back is by sincere repentance and returning to serve the Lord as His faithful deciple.
---Anne on 6/8/09

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
What are we saved through? Not unmerrited favor. We merrited the grace by believing. This grace is only available to those who have earned it by faith. Once we have faith God gives the grace. But he doesn't give it without faith.
---john on 6/8/09

Duane~ I don't believe anyone on the blogs has ever said 'lack of sinning' gets us to heaven.

duane, salvation is by grace, through faith. It is grace that Jesus died for our sins and paid our price.

BUT...there is part of the salvation plan that you fail to mention...and that is, WHO does this grace apply to?

The book of James Ch 2 clearly tells us it is not simply for those who have 'faith' for even the demons have 'faith' and they won't be in heaven.

However, true saving faith means we are made new creatures in Christ, who do HIS works. True deciples LIVE for HIM and follow, obey, & abide in Him/Holy Spirit. They repent of sin and forsake sin/darkness and now live in the Light. Hope this helps, God bless.
---Anne on 6/8/09

We can't earn salvation but we must have faith to obtain it. Once we've sinned, we're stained and must have His blood to erase sin because He is clean. Keeping the commandments can't erase 1 sin. That's why He had to come and die for us.

Gal 3:21 ...for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

The just shall live by faith.

That faith is believing in Christ's atoning blood, and do what He said-obey.
If you don't do both it's not faith. =Sin Rom 14:23

His blood isn't applied to everyone.
So it's evident there are conditions to receiving forgiveness.

True Faith (Believing + works) like Abraham/Noah. Jm2
---SuzieH on 6/8/09

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Since God did the most for us when we were at our worst(5:8-19), what will He do for us when we recognize Him as God? Simply, MUCH MORE THAN THE MOST! It is the inly way to say what God does for the Believer!It is Glorious!

What would the response of the true Believer be when he gets a glimpse of the marvelousness of God's Grace?
---Janze on 6/8/09

Lack of sinning will never get you to heaven. Its by grace through faith.
Yes, Jesus died for all sin so mankind COULD come to HIM. Jesus reconciled us to God. Now all mankind can come before God in hope of salvation.
Remember this, its not our lack of sinning that gets us saved, its trusting in HIM(faith) and HIS WORK. HIS work was setting men free from sin. The Cross has done its work. Its finished
This is the good news
---duane on 6/8/09

Lack of sinning will never get you to heaven. Its by grace through faith.
Yes, Jesus died for all sin so mankind COULD come to HIM. Jesus reconciled us to God. Now all mankind can come before God in hope of salvation.
Remember this, its not our lack of sinning that gets us saved, its trusting in HIM(faith) and HIS WORK. HIS work was setting men free from sin. The Cross has done its work. Its finished
This is the good news
---duane on 6/8/09

God has always surrounded us with His Grace, and Grace, by its very nature, is an endless gift of God that is showered upon us without limit. Grace requires nothing of the receiver. Isa. 54:10
---Janze on 6/7/09

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Anne-- I don't follow your argument.If what duane says is true...

Everyone would NOT be in heaven. Jesus DID die for all men according to scripture, but all men don't put their faith in Him! Faith is necessary for salvation.

Why would all demons be in heaven? Demons are confined to this world (or hell which was created for them and their father, Satan)

People whose lives have been changed by Jesus do not continue in unrepentant sin. They are new creatures, not sinless, but convicted by the Holy Spirit when they do sin. Any who do not experience conviction by the Holy Spirit, do not belong to God. Of course, a person may willfully (and stupidly) walk away from God, but HE has promised never to leave US.
---Donna66 on 6/7/09

duane~ You are only teaching a partial gospel. You are teaching that Christ died for everyone's sins for you believe that all a person has to do is believe that Jesus died for our sins and then we don't have to be concerned about our future sins since Jesus already died for them.

If what you said were true, then:

1. Everyone would be in heaven

2. All the demons would be in heaven

3. Everyone could continue to sin since Jesus already paid for our future sins.

duane~ That is the most deadly and dangerous gospel in the world.

You are not teaching that Jesus only pays for the sins of those who are sincerely repentant and never return back to their old sins = born-again.
---Anne on 6/7/09

Dont you believe Christ conquered sin and death on the Cross? Jesus came to put away sin so you could have life. Dont you believe this? This IS the Gospel. There is no other Gospel. Dont be deceived.
There is only one way to be set free from sin, thats through Jesus Christ. HE was punished for our transgressions, thats why there is no punishment left for those in Christ. May the Spirit of the Lord help you with this.
---duane on 6/7/09

When you say "HE came to set you free from sin," you are actually saying that He encourages you to keep on committing sin and He will not punish you for sin as you commit them. Why don't you say what you mean? Why do you deceive or trick people? Is it some kind of game? What you do is not good. It is very ungodly.
---Dave on 6/7/09

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While we were yet sinners, HE died for us.
This is the love of God. HE reconciled the world to God not counting mens sins against them. This is the good news of Jesus Christ.
HE came to set you free from sin.
---duane on 6/6/09

Dave~ Perfectly said!
---Anne on 6/6/09

I Agree, grace is a gift.
We do not give gifts to our enemies or who mocks us, etc. God will not give the gift of grace to those who refuse to obey him, but mocks him calling him Lord. If you will call it gift, God gives the hell fire to those who do not obey him. "2Thess 1:8 In flaming FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
Sinning became the past in the life of those who receive the gift of grace (Ephesians 2:2-3) and they walk doing the good works of righteousness (Ephesians 2:10). If these did not happen, this person is not saved by grace.
---Dave on 6/6/09

Without God you can do NOTHING. for grace is a GIFT of God. People dont ask for or earn gifts. A gift is from the heart, no strings.
HE is the potter, we are but clay.
Eph 2:8 For by Grace are ye saved, its NOT of yourselves, Its the GIFT of God.
---duane on 6/6/09

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Thank you for your comment. God bless you.
---Dave on 6/6/09

Make a tree good and good fruit will be produced and make a tree bad and bad fruit will be produced.

For grace would be the ability to stand in the situation in which one faces, both today and in the Resurrection to come.

For what could one exchange for the power to stand in the Great and Terrifying Day to come when He can call any witness from across all time periods in any situation as Testimony concerning our decisions and fruits and The Prophet receives the Word of Grace for one 40 year term of service in exchange for the grace to stand before Him.
---jack_david on 6/6/09

Thank you Dave, God Bless you too.
---Nana on 6/6/09

Nana and Trey,
Trey wrote: "We however should offer to the Lord fruits of righteousness (Philippians 1:11). We should let our light shine (Matt 5:16). We should offer our bodies a living sacrifice (Romans 12:1)."
This is great. Fruit of righteousness is opposite to unrighteousness, which is sin. Shining light is opposite to darkness, which is sin. Living sacrifice is not to live in flesh, which is to avoid sin. This is great godly teaching. I applaud that.
However, the point I made was that there are conditions to receive grace. It is a Christian clich that grace is an unmerited favor. I just wanted to correct it. God bless you.
---Dave on 6/5/09

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Dave. Great answer. Many people think that grace is the unmerrited favor God bestows on everyone. But that is what mercy is. If we check our concordance we see this clearly. Grace is not unmerrited favor, it is favor.
---john on 6/5/09

"We however should offer to the Lord fruits of righteousness (Phillipians 1:11). We should let our light shine (Matt 5:16). We should offer our bodies a living sacrifice (Romans 12:1)."
---trey on 5/23/09

Isn't that which trey said in the same spirit in which you demonstrate to always abide and teach also that all should? In
effect with his first lines of "undeserving",he emulated Jesus, "Why callest thou me good?", which he then followed with advice on our committing to the Lord the fruit of our Spirit, which indeed yield reward.
---Nana on 6/5/09

You wrote to Mima: There is nothing that we can do to earn grace. Grace is free and unmerited (meaning we don't deserve it).
By grace we are justified, saved, etc. But, grace is neither free nor unmerited.
(1). James 4:6 ... he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth GRACE unto the HUMBLE.
(2). Rom 1:5 ... we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE ...
(3). 2Cor 12:9 ... My GRACE is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS. ...
(4). Eph 2:5 ... we were dead in sins, hath quickened us TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, by GRACE ye are saved,
Here are four requirements for grace. Be humble, obey, if weak, and be with Christ that is, not to disobey Christ.
---Dave on 6/5/09

Good and excellent word to the Mima and to all of us!
---Nana on 5/27/09

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Heb4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

That tells me that we should ask for grace. We really have nothing that can buy grace. There is nothing we can offer. There is nothing that we can do to earn grace. Grace is free and unmerited (meaning we don't deserve it).

We however should offer to the Lord fruits of righteousness (Phillipians 1:11). We should let our light shine (Matt 5:16). We should offer our bodies a living sacrifice (Romans 12:1).
---trey on 5/23/09

I am referring your post #2 dated 4/15/09.
You wrote: "He became the Head ... ... As that Head He has proclaimed us saved, holy and heavenly." Are you in the process of making a counterfeit Bible?
Again you wrote: "We are Abraham's ... ... we believe God, not work, but just believe God, it is counted for our righteousness also." It is total nonsense. Please look at this verse. "James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?" Please read its context, James 2:19-24. Stop listening to the preachers. Study the Bible.
---Dave on 5/23/09

I refer to your post on 4/15/09.
God has given you a good understanding of the word of God. "Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." God bless you.
---Dave on 5/23/09

I am referring your post #1 dated 4/15/09.
Unmerited favour is not in the Bible. It will not produce holiness. You wrote "preaching of the law will encourage sin." No, it won't. A country preached a law that rapists will be tortured until death. It never encouraged raping, but stopped it. If a law is preached that sinners will be burned, it will never encourage sinning. But non-believers will continue to sin and will brag about it. But, the day will be coming for them to burn. You are not in "a New Birth in a new holy, sinless heavenly race," but you are in the old race of the pigs in the mire. Please read 2 Peter 2:18-22.
---Dave on 5/23/09

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Hardly would I have found the meaning of life, if never met Jesus. Today, I have a true reason to say I love God. I love Him because He saved me and I know what He saved me from.
I see daily, people going through the same way I had gone in the past. I see what happens to them, even those that never went as deep as I did. Then I wonder why He brought me out so fast... it must have been Mercy propelled by His love for me - I know why He saved me.
I have a true faith in Him now. Not just because the bible says so, but because I saw it, I touched it and handled it, I have faith in Him because I am a testimony.
God loves you so much. All you have to do is to just accept His love, and live it. He will transform you. Do it now!
---Emman on 5/17/09

#1 - Right believing produces right living. When God's unmerited favor is preached and believed it will produce holiness in a believer's life. 1 Cor.15:56 says, "The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law." The preaching of the law will encourage sin rather than discouraging it. Jesus took all of our sins on Himself at the Cross. He knew, if left up to humanity, we would continually fail. No one can keep the law, we all sin from time to time, even if we don't want to. God knew that and through His unmerited favor He made a way for us to trust Him and not ourselves. That is why He placed us at the New Birth in a new holy, sinless heavenly race in Christ Jesus.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/15/09

#2 - He became the Head of the old creation and took all our sin and died in our stead for all our sins. He then rose from the dead as Head of the New Creation and has totally taken on the responsibility of our life in Him. As that Head He has proclaimed us saved, holy and heavenly. Rom 4:3 - "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." We are Abraham's heavenly seed and what worked for Abraham works for us. When we believe God, not work, but just believe God, it is counted for our righteousness also. II Cor. 5:21 - "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
---Debbie_Jo on 4/15/09

There is no such thing as unmerited favor, that is Satan's doctrine, and not Christ's. God's doctrine is, "Do not disobey me, for even the same day you eat, of it you will, dying you will die." Satan's doctrine is, "Disobey, you all will not die by death, and you all would be equally God." Christ's doctrine is, "If you all love me, my Commandments keep." Satan's doctrine is, "Do nothing for God's grace."
---Eloy on 4/15/09

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Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace to help in time of need. I think this verse answers the question completely. God has a throne of grace for all of His children whenever they need mercy or help. Every time a child of God prays to the Father, they receive mercy and help freely given to them. Grace is a gift from God. If there was to be any kind of exchange, I would think He would ask us to be as Christ like as we can and let our light shine before man.
---Bob on 4/14/09

if some say there is a requirement for grace, then whats the requirement for his mercy??
---John on 4/14/09

To be in favor with is to find "Grace" with. Acts 2:47. God is SO smart, so do not even think that you can earn His favour! He would see that in an instant. Favour>>>The fact that "GRACE" is received from God the Father, and from Christ is a TESTIMONY to the DEITY of CHRIST. Look into: 2 Corin. 1:12, Gal. 1:6, and Romans 5:15. Note: If you don't know enough to ask God for favour, He may give it to you anyhow. If you know enough ask Him. It is okay.
---catherine on 2/10/09

When you are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, you automatically by grace receive everything from God that He has to offer you.1 Cor 2:12 says that we received the Spirit from God that we might know all the things freely given to us by God. 2 Peter 1:3,4 He has given us everything pertaining to life and godliness and He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises. 2 Cor 1:20 For as many as may be the promises of God, in Him they are yes. Jesus bought and paid for the complete package and all the benefits of grace God has to offer. Enjoy them!
---Bob on 2/10/09

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Grace isn't something you earn. It is a gift that you receive once you come to believe in Christ. You can't earn favor either. Favor is also a gift, but it can come as a reward for your obedience to God's Word. You can't buy it. If you'll just walk in obedience and be lead by His Spirit, then favor will be one of the fruits that your life begins to manifest. If you look up grace in the dictionary, then you'll see that favor is one of it's definitions! God bless!
---BryanG on 2/8/09

"It is not "Grace" that gives us the ability to obey God, it is a matter of "Justice", to require the impossible, would be "Unjust", God has given us all the moral-ability, and capacities, to be able to obey his law."
TRU-DOG on 1/17/09
"As for offering to God, we should offer Him our lives, in total surrender to His will, for Him to do as He wishes."
---Trish9863 on 11/22/08
True, true, all so true!
Luke 17:1_10 prove both your points! Glad Wayne87 brought up the Scripture, even if it did not turn as he intended!
---Nana on 1/19/09

Eloy, what do you understand by merit? In Luke 17 Jesus said that when the disciples had done all they were required to do, they had only done their duty. If I come short of my duty once, can I ever make it up by doing "more" than my duty? I must be misunderstanding what you are trying to say.
---Wayne87 on 1/17/09

We obey HIM because we love HIM. Perfect love produces perfect obedience. Lets get it right folks. Love needs no laws. We are in HIM, HE is in us. Lets rest in HIM. We have a new life.
---duane on 1/17/09

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Grace is always free. HE gives us our needs without us asking. HE died for us, 2000 yrs. before we were born, much less us asking. We love HIM BECAUSE HE first loved us. Its always GOD first. HIS love, HIS grace. Be as a child and trust your Father in heaven to give many free gifts of love. God is Love. Love gives.
---duane on 1/17/09

Well, God does not ask for much, just obedience, love, 100% of you. For some, it seems fine to ask God for favour. Myself, I am most interested in favour such as sanity. So far so good!
---catherine on 1/17/09

It is not "Grace" that gives us the ability to obey God, it is a matter of "Justice", to require the impossible, would be "Unjust", God has given us all the moral-ability, and capacities, to be able to obey his law. We have the same "spirit/soul/body" as we did before, as a sinner, God does not change the make-up of man, it is not an ontological/metaphysical change, we still have the same moral-faculties as before, the exercises of them, has been redirected, towards God, and not employed, for selfish ends
---TRU-DOG on 1/17/09

I believe that we can and should ask for God's grace, though we do not deserve it. We are the recipients of it anyway if we have Christ as our saviour. As for offering to God, we should offer Him our lives, in total surrender to His will, for Him to do as He wishes.
---Trish9863 on 11/22/08

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God's definition of Grace is not "unmerited favor" at all, it is a lie. Read Lk 2:40. At no time, ever, was God's "unmerited favor" upon His Holy and Righteous Son! The reason why God's exact original Gospel Truth is not understood by so many is that few have obeyed what Jesus Christ told us to do in Mt 6:33. We must find first what He told us to find first or we will never find the narrow Gate and narrow Road. canaweddingataol
---anne on 10/25/07

God's grace is merited, not unmerited: If you repent you will receive God's grace, but if you do not repent you will not receive God's grace but instead you will receive God's wrath.
---Eloy on 10/13/07

It is unjust to say that grace is free. Jesus paid a big price and you get it free but only if you believe. You see, there is a requirement. Once the requirement is met, it is freely given. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Again, see the requirement before grace is given there? God says "if you will, then I will" he doesn't say 'I will even if you won't."
I don't believe in salvation by works but I don't believe in salvation that has no work either, for it is dead.
---john on 10/12/07

One will only seek TRUE GRACE "IF" God is drawing one by Holy Spirit conviction.
Ps34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart, and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
Ps51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

the other might try to seek grace by natural conscience conviction, better know as THEIR OWN VOILTION (FREE WILL=WORKS) as Esau and he was raise up in the ways of the LORD
---steven-rem7000 on 10/12/07

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Unmerited favor by its name alone requires no payment. It is Grace. Yes it is permissable to seek Grace and mercy if one is repenting at the same time(provided there is sin involved). Otherwise, a righteous man may ask anything in Jesus'name and it shall be done,unconditionally. I believe you are speaking of instances where there is no sin.
God says that sometimes he does not give us what we want because 'we ask amiss to use them on our foolish lusts' so He does discriminate.
---jody on 10/12/07

steven rem7000, Amen!

I always enjoy reading what you, Mark V, and Cynthia have to say.

Truth be told, I enjoy reading what all of you believe.

Lord bless each of you.
---trey on 10/12/07

Eph2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and THAT NOT OF YOURSELF: it is the gift of God:
(God does not give everybody grace read Romans 9 it's very very clear in those passages)

It is God whom makes one to differ not a decision or a choice "THAT NOT OF YOURSELF"
FAITH and GRACE is a gift from GOD he didn't give it to Esau Rm9:13 though he sought w/tears Heb12:17

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/12/07

Grace is the unmerited favor of God!

Ro 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
That's grace!

Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
That's grace!

Ro 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
We were at war with God! Now that's grace!
---trey on 10/11/07

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Grace continued:

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour,
WOW - what grace!

Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Grace + work = work.
---trey on 10/11/07

Grace (part 3)

Ro 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Thank God for grace!

Our God loves to shed his grace on the objects of his love. I don't think it's wrong to ask for more grace. He has an unlimited supply.

And His grace is sufficient. (2 Cor 12:9).
---trey on 10/11/07

John, I agree you have to believe and recieve the Lord Jesus Christ personally. But who gives you the power to believe? The Holy Spirit enables you to understand the invitation to all who call on the name of the Lord. Salvation is a free gift. It is a personal decision, we either accept the Lord Jesus or we reject Him. The Lord will not force you to recieve Him. It is your choice.
---Cynthia on 10/9/07

Cynthia. The Scriptures you quote prove that there is a requirement for grace. Even though it says it is freely given, it is only freely given when the requirement of faith is met. According to those Scriptures,you don't get grace for salvation free, until you believe, so there is a requirement.
---john on 10/9/07

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Grace is the "kindness and love of God our Savior toward man...not by works of righteousness which we have done"(Tit. 3:4-5). Grace is connected with Christ and faith(John 1:17, Rom. 10:4-10).Grace saves the bad(Ex. 19:5, Eph. 2:1-9). Grace is a free gift(Duet 28:1-6, Eph. 2:8, Rom. 4:4-5).
---Cynthia on 10/8/07

We are saved "...not of works lest anyone should boast." If we have done anything to gain God's favor, we have something to boast about. But we haven't, have we.
---InimicusStultitiae on 10/8/07

We are saved "...not of works lest anyone should boast." If we have done anything to gain God's favor, we have something to boast about. But we haven't, have we.
---InimicusStultitiae on 10/8/07

Grace is favor, but not unmerrited favor. Is there really such a thing as unmerrited favor or does God reward because of either good or evil? To my knowledge, grace is earned and always has been. Even salvation was earned. Not by us, but by Jesus. Nevertheless it was earned and unless we believe, we will all likewise perish. God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud. It's not wrong to ask for favor but in the Bible the ones who got it lived righteously.
---john on 10/8/07

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mima....we do not deserve anything from God.
Unmerited favor is such a churchy word. It is getting something that we do not deserve.
By surrendering my life to Jesus Christ,it is through this faith alone in Christ alone
that allows me to receive Gods Grace.
---JIM on 10/8/07

No it is not permissible or correct to ask for God's Grace. Grace is only offered by God at his discretion and granted only to his preordained elect. There is no prayer of request that will grant you Grace. There is nothing and individual can do change one status to be come a member the elect since that status was predetermined prior to one's birth. Christ did not come to save all humanity, only the flock that the Father gave him.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/8/07

Nothing from the flesh is an acceptable sacrifice.
Obedience is better than sacrifice.
Some people "make deals" with God, I'll do this, if You'll do that. Unmerit means no works from the flesh gain favor. God rains on the just and unjust. Have you ever wondered why royalty are royalty down through the generations? They certainly don't deserve it, some of them are the pits.
Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all of His Righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.
---Bob on 10/8/07

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