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SDA Explain Colossians 2:16

Does this scripture speak to the SDAs? Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

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Jerry - you are totally wrong in that a covenant is by definition an agreement between parties.

In the case of the New Covenant, it is just that, a NEW agreement - not an addition to an Old covenant. And being a NEW agreement makes provisions that are not the same as in previous covenants.

While there may be some commonality, it is totally ludicrous to say that all 600+ laws - ceremonial as well as civic carry over into the New Covenant.

In fact 2 Cor. 3:7 speaks of the Old Covenant as passing away.

And even Jesus spoke of a NEW covenant, not an addition to the Old.

Sorry Jerry but your Sabbath keeping thing cannot be supported from Scripture.
---leej on 8/28/10


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did], by the which we draw nigh unto God.
---micha9344 on 8/28/10


Lee: - Here is where you err in your understanding of the Law(s) of GOD.

Scripture does NOT make any distinction between the Law found in the Old Covenant and the Law of the New Covenant. The only change was the location - written in the heart rather than on stone - but the very same Ten Commandments nonetheless.
---jerry6593 on 8/28/10


leej, You are correct that all foods are permissible. As also indicated by the LORD in a dream given to Kepha (Peter) in ACTS. A sheet was lowered from Above which contained all manner of unclean animals, forbidden to be eaten as per the old laws. The Lord told Kepha (Peter) to rise up and eat. When Kepha refused, the Lord told him not to call "unclean" what the LORD has called "clean". But, this still has not one thing to do with the 10 Commandments, and therefore, has nothing to do with the Commandment to observe the 7th Day Sabbath.
---Gordon on 8/28/10


Gordon -Here is where you err in your understanding of the Law(s) of GOD.

Scripture does NOT make any distinction between the law found in the 10 commandments or in any other law given in the OT. In fact, it makes no distinction between moral, ceremonial or civic laws whatsoever. And the Jewish Sabbath is but a ceremonial type law, definitely NOT a moral law.

Scripture states that the law (10 commmandments or others) was given to reveal sin and was a schoolmaster until we could be justified by faith in Christ.

Why do you consider the 10 commandments to be of a higher authority than any other law that came from the mouth of God?
---leej on 8/28/10




leej, Here is where you err in your understanding of the Law(s) of GOD. You, as do others who lack the understanding, LUMP TOGETHER two different sets of Laws. Circumcision has NOTHING TO DO with the Ten Commandments. Circumcision was a Ceremonial law for the Jews only ('though now any man can be circumcised for traditional and health reasons, etc). But, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE MORAL LAWS OF LOVING GOD AND YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF. And the Sabbath issue is a part of those 10 Commandments! Sabbath was made for man, but, it is to be a Day ALSO set apart for GOD Himself, to honour HIM in a special way, remembering how HE rested also after Creation, etc., etc.
---Gordon on 8/28/10


leej, You say that "no one disagrees" with me on the two points that Scripture nowhere indicates that GOD abolished the 7th Day Sabbath, nor set up Sunday as a "new Sabbath". But, by your very own words from previous comments you have most certainly been very much disagreeing with (my) two points. You've been fighting against them all of the way! Religious man has set up Sunday as the "Lord's Day", GOD HIMSELF did not do this. If Christians want to honour GOD on a special week day, why not do so on the Day that HE has sanctified?? (GENESIS 2:2-3, EXODUS 20:8-11). The New Covenant has NOTHING TO DO with changing the Sabbath Day. The centrality of the New and Old Covenants is the Blood Source!!!
---Gordon on 8/28/10


mima: Relax! No MAN is judging you. It is GOD that will judge you by His Law - not by your man-made tradition.
---jerry6593 on 8/28/10


Gordon -//leej, There is no evidence in Scripture that GOD has either abolished the 7th Day Sabbath nor chosen "Sunday" to be the Sabbath now.

No one disagrees with you on those points.

However, it is very plain Sabbath keeping like circumcision was NOT commanded of Gentile converts.

That is why it was NOT taught in the early church by the successors of the Apostles.

In fact you will not find a single church father that taught Sabbath keeping, in fact they even argued against it with the Jewish religious leaders.

It is a simple matter of reasoning that if the Jewish Sabbath was to be observed by Christians then you would see something of at least a hint of a command in the New Testament.
---leej on 8/27/10


Francis //There is not one single word in Mark 7 or in matthew 15 about clean and unclean animals. The context here is soley UNWASHED hands

TOTALLY WRONG! The issue in Mark 7 & Matthew is what goes into the stomach is not what defiles one BUT whatever comes from the heart.

Read Mk 7:19 where Jesus DECLARED ALL FOODS CLEAN.

How can one not refuse to see THAT?
---leej on 8/27/10




leej, There is no evidence in Scripture that GOD has either abolished the 7th Day Sabbath nor chosen "Sunday" to be the Sabbath now. GOD created the Sabbath Day right after the Six literal 24-hour Days of Creation. GOD Himself rested from His work of Creation on the 7th Day. Ever since that Creation Week, time itself has been marked in periods of weeks. Each week consists of seven 24-hour days. Each weekly period is PATTERNED AFTER the Creation Week. And, since mankind was made in GOD's Image, we were meant to work within the first six week-days, as GOD did, and then to rest from work, at least on the Seventh Day, as GOD did...Mankind is rebelling against GOD's Rest Day, as he does with everything else GOD ordained!
---Gordon on 8/27/10


micha9344, i want you to take another look at mark7 and matthew 15.
1: Mark 7:5 Disciples accused of eaten with unwashen hands
2:Mark 7:7-8 Jesus accused pharasees them of not keeping the commandments of God for their traditions

What you are now saying is that after accusing the pharasees of not keeping Gods commandments, Jesus then gives them permision to break all the commandments about clean and unclean meats.

Can you see the problem with that?

Also In other statements Jesus claimed that he did not come to destroy the law and the prophets. If he says to eat anything, then he destroyed the law and prophets.

Jesus would be encouraging them to break the commandments while accusing them of doing it anyway.
---francis on 8/27/10


In Matthew it is addressed directly:

Matthew 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

Matthew 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN hands defileth not a man.

Matthew 15:3 Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDMENT OF GOD by your tradition?

There are too many commandments of God against eating unclean animals for Jesus to have been saying that they should not trangress the commandments of God.

So this as Jesus explained further is ONLY about unwashen hands
---francis on 8/27/10


Mar 7:18-19 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him, Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Looks like it says 'whatsoever' and 'all meats' to me.
---micha9344 on 8/26/10


Francis //There is not one single word in Mark 7 or in matthew 15 about clean and unclean animals. The context here is soley UNWASHED hands

TOTALLY WRONG! The issue in Mark 7 & Matthew is what goes into the stomach is not what defiles one BUT whatever comes from the heart.

Read Mk 7:19 where Jesus DECLARED ALL FOODS CLEAN.

How can one not refuse to see THAT?
---leej on 8/26/10


Colossians 2:17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come.

And clearly the Sabbath rest was but a shadow of the rest the believer has in Christ. Hebrews 4 mades that abundantly clear.

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

And whenever the term 'new moon' and 'sabbaths, are used in the Old Testament, Sabbath always refers to the weekly sabbath as well as the other sabbaths.See 1 Chr. 23:31, 2 Chr. 2:4, 36:21, Ezek. 45:17, Hos. 2:11. So there is really no good reason to believe 'sabbaths' in Col. 2:14 does not include the weekly sabbath.
---leej on 8/26/10


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Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

Colossians 2:17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come,

The bible speaks of the earthly high priest as a shadow of christ
The passover lamb as a shadow of christ ( meat offering)
The earthly sanctuary as shadow of the heavenl,y.
The light as shadow of christ.
The wine as a shodow of his blood ( drink offering)

How is NOT eating swine a shadow of things to come, and where in the bible can you find not eating anything unclean as a SHADOW?

Where in the BIBLE can you find the weekly sabbath (the one given in genesis and kept in heaven isaiah 66) as a shadow?
---francis on 8/26/10


There is not one single word in Mark 7 or in matthew 15 about clean and unclean animals. The context here is soley UNWASHED hands

Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN hands defileth not a man.

And eating with unwashed hands is a tradition of MAN, eating clean meats is a commandment of GOD

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And there is not one single word in Hebrews 4 which says Jesus is the sabbath. Or that we rest in Jesus as a sabbath.

Hebrews 4:4 God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
---francis on 8/26/10


//I need to see from you THE BIBLE SAYS
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Try viewing Mark 7 where even Jesus said that whatever goes into the stomach does not defile one. Verse 19 even states that He declared all food clean.

While you cannot disagree with this, you will probably will not reply since it does not agree with what you want to believe.

As for your desire to limit one to the Bible alone, one simply cannot understand the Bible apart from its culture and history in which it was written. For instance, you need recognize that the Old Covenant was replaced by the New.

Even old Ellen White had to write books believing that the Bible alone was not sufficient for ones understanding.
---leej on 8/25/10


francis //Where in the BIBLE can you find the weekly sabbath ( the one given in genesis and kept in heaven isaiah 66) as a shadow?

The implication is found in Hebrews 4 where God has chosen ANOTHER day. You do not get the rest of God from observing the Sabbath.

And you cannot (or will not) avoid the fact that the early church did NOT teach Sabbath keeping or other strictly Jewish laws. Anyone with even a fig of knowledge of church history should be able to tell you that.

DO THE RESEARCH AND STOP YOUR SILLY HONKING!

Or at least admit you believe what you want to believe regardless of the evidence.
---leej on 8/25/10


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I would say that it's saying "Let no man judge for observing these things." For these things are reminders of Things to come.
---Gordon on 8/25/10


SDA's have answered this question very well, using verse 17 to show that meat and drink and holy days spoken of here was not diet or the weekly sabbath. Using Leviticus 23 as OT reference

Now let US SDA's ask a question.

How is NOT eating swine a shadow of good things to comes, and where in the bible can you find not eating anything unclean as a SHADOW.

Where in the BIBLE can you find the weekly sabbath ( the one given in genesis and kept in heaven isaiah 66) as a shadow?
---francis on 8/25/10


Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you(Adam) every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you(Noah), even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that [are] on the earth.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
God doesn't change, but His covenants do.
---micha9344 on 8/24/10


leej on 8/24/10
Simple show ANY text where christians are told that is it OK to eat anything UNCLEAN

Look at how the SDA are posting. What ever they say they give a TEXT or TWO.

What I am seeing form you is " every one knows ...", " the early church did...",

I need to see from you THE BIBLE SAYS
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John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

I do not want to hear from you again about what the ' early church did" or what a " church father said" Just show me TWO text for any thing you say
---francis on 8/24/10


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"the Adventists are so close to Christian except that they tack on TYESE RULES that are fine if they only encourage people to do them ."
---Andrea on 10/10/07
---mima on 8/24/10

What do you mean by "THESE RULES?"
---francis on 8/24/10


francis // Peter, 4 years after the detah of Jesus said: Not so lord i have never eaten anything unclean.

Anyone that knows anything about early church history could tell you that Jewish Christians continued in the Mosaic tradition even going to the temple to worship.Acts 2:46

And they can also tell you that Levitical dietary laws as well as other laws that were strictly Jewish were NOT imposed on Gentile converts. (ever read Acts15?)

So your arguments are really without any support in church history.

Of course, you may ignore my comments on this since you really no little or no knowledge of early church history preferring instead to continue to pitch your denominational viewspoints.
---leej on 8/24/10


While reading the answers to this blog I found this one, and it is worth repeating.

"The fact is if the Adventists could not criticize other faiths they have no faith.

It appears to be a consequence of starting on the wrong foundation EGW (and I'm not trying to be insulting) but she started drawing others to her 'end of days' teaching and expounded on that....the Adventists are so close to Christian except that they tack on these rules that are fine if they only encourage people to do them

but not when they judge themselves and others as to their relationship with Christ."
---Andrea on 10/10/07
---mima on 8/24/10


Colossians 2:16,17

what these verses do not say:
First they do not say that we are not to keep the sabbath.

The shadows were given AFTER sin to show the plan of redeption. The sabbath was given before sin as a sign that God is the creator and the bible tells us in Isaiah 66 that in the new heavens we will continue to keep the sabbath.

Second it does not say we can eat what we want. Peter, 4 years after the detah of Jesus said: Not so lord i have never eaten anything unclean.

How is not eating swine a shadow?

Paul says that we are only to eat things sanctified by the word of God and prayer. Timothy 4:5. Where in the word of God is swine sanctified by the word of God for food?

---francis on 8/24/10


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Colossians 2:16-17 Which are a shadow of things to come,

Lets look at the shadows:
Meat offering: be it flesh ar meal is a shadow of the broken body of christ, or the sacrifice of Jesus
Drink offering :(usualy wine) is a shadow of th eblood and water shed from jesus at death
Holydays: Pentecost is a shadow of the giving of the Holy Spirit. Passover is a shadow of the killing of the lamb which is Jesus.
The New Moon is a shadow of the New month where is the tree of life gives new fruit.

If you look at leviticus 23, you will see that every feast day is also a sabbath day, all shadows of events that would take place in the plan of redeemtion.
verse 38 seperates the weekly sabbaths and the feast sabbaths.
---francis on 8/24/10


Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body [is] of Christ.

Notice that colossians speaks of meat and drink and holy days as a SHADOW, and Hebrews says that the shadows are sacrifices (and holy / feast days) Hebrews 10:1

here is the text which Colossians is referring to:

Leviticus 23:37 These [are] the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim [to be] holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
---francis on 8/24/10


Jesus Christ>>>is the head of the government of the Church and of vital influence to it. Paul is warning us of Judaizing teachers.... We are not to be enslaved by legalism, ritualism, rites,and ceremonies. Let no man therefore judge you. Sit in judgment, take you to task, deciding for you, criticizing, and condemning.
---catherine on 8/21/10


Hello Everyone,

It seems this conversation is getting a bit angry and is going to a place that it shouldn't be in.

I am a Seventh-Day Adventist. I do follow the ten commandments. Before you non-SDA people go judging, let me say a few things.

1. I will be the first to admit.. there are "SDA'S" who are extremists and legalist and don't know what theyre talking about giving the rest of us a bad name. Please don't let your interaction with one bad nut ruin your opinion of us.
---kimberly on 8/21/10


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Paul isn't talking about the believers at Colossae being judged because they were following some ceremonial laws, but rather they were being judged for _how_ they were following those ceremonial observances.
---djconklin on 3/31/09

The shadow of things to come is the 1000 Year Kingdom Reign that is to come...Acts 1:6 & 7.

Many confusing the two doctrines and putting people under Kingdom Now teaching were distorting the Gospel of Grace. These same Judiazers were also in Galatia.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/09


I am not an SDA, but I will simply state that GOD ALONE IS JUDGE!
---Rev._Daniel on 4/2/09


And Christ has been made our judge. The Father is not the judge. The angels are not. He who took humanity upon Himself, and in this world lived a perfect life, is to judge us. He only can be our judge. . . . No one of you has been appointed to be judge of others. It is all that you can do to discipline yourselves. - EGW, ML, 335

Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. - 2Ti 4:2

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. - Exo 20:8 THAT'S the Word of God. He wrote it - I preach it. But, I don't judge you for ignoring it. That's Jesus' job.
---jerry6593 on 4/1/09


"Colossians 2:16 is really an incomplete structure without reading ahead to verse 17 where it talks about these things being a shadow of Christ because it was before Him.'

Verse 17 says "Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come, ..." That is, the eating and the drinking are shadows of things "to come" (future tense).

Paul isn't talking about the believers at Colossae being judged because they were following some ceremonial laws, but rather they were being judged for _how_ they were following those ceremonial observances.
---djconklin on 3/31/09


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Tibits of Sabbath information:

Who were they that rested on the Sabbath? Luke23:56. The Sabbath was made for man: Mark2:23-28. All flesh will worship God on the Sabbath: Isaiah66:22-23. God blessed the gentiles who kept it: Isaiah56. it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days: Matthew 12:1-13. Jesus kept the Sabbath: Luke4:16. Paul's custom concerning the Sabbath: Acts 17:2. The Book of Acts gives eighty-four meetings on the Sabbath. What did Christ say about the law of God of which the Sabbath is a part? John 15:10, Matthew5:17-19, Revelation 14:12. Also read: Isaiah 58, Acts 13:42-52, Acts 18:4.
---Steveng on 3/31/09


Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

I am not to judge you. The only judge we stand before is JESUS. I can tell you and teach you what I think. But I do not know your heart or your relationship with JESUS.

That is my understanding of what this passage means. In the Past SDA have not followed this and judged others. But others have judged me for resting on Sabbath and condemned to hell. Both are wrong.
---Samuel on 3/31/09


Colossians 2:16 is really an incomplete structure without reading ahead to verse 17 where it talks about these things being a shadow of Christ because it was before Him.

The ceremonial laws of the OT are referred to as shadows because they symbolically depicted the coming of Christ. And, any insistence on the observance of such ceremonies is a failure to recognize that their fulfillment has already happened due to Christ.

Hebrews 8:5 says they serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.

Hebrews 10:1 says the law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming - not the realities themselves.
---Lesla3685 on 3/31/09


Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

The Greek for "in respect of" is "en merei" which literally means "in that part of." So, Think of a Veen diagram. The first circle is about the "eating and drinking." And the second circle is about the days. So, What Paul is talking about is the overlap. The believers were being told by outsiders that they should be eatind and rinking on those days if they wanted a closer relationship with God.

For more details do a search on "Grammatical Structure of Colossians". I spent three years studying those two verses.
---djconklin on 3/31/09


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Christians have the wrong idea about "worshipping" on the Sabbath and "resting" on the Sabbath. We are to worship daily. Do an online bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag."

Christians are to rest on the Sabbath from all of man's activities. Christians need this more in today's world than ever before. Christians fill up every minute of every day with school, work, church, family, friends, shopping, ipods, computers, TV, entertainment, and going places that they don't have enough time to spend with God. God wants a deep personal relationship with Christians, the same relationship of your family and friends. The purpose of the Saturday Sabbath is to spend time with God.
---Steveng on 3/30/09


Besides, God blessed the seventh day thousands of years before the Israelites became a nation. It was even blessed before Adam and Eve fell out of grace.
---Steveng on 3/30/09


Do you honestly believe that the Sabbath isn't a shadow of Jesus and the coming sacrifice?

God commanded Israel to remember the sabbath so that they may know the Lord is the one who sanctifies them. Who is the one who sanctifies us with his blood? Jesus

It was a day to remember the Lord who rested on the Seventh day of creation, who was the creator? Jesus!

The sacrifices performed on the sabbath were a shadow of the coming sacrifice of Jesus

It was a reminder to Israel of the Lord who led them out of Egypt...Jesus!

Can you honestly say it doesn't lead to Jesus?

God bless:)
---Patricia on 3/30/09


lee: The Fault actually lies with the lawless who desire to do away with God's Commandments.

The Historical Record is clear. Rome came to power by the sword and forced Sunday upon all Christendom.

The History of the Waldenses, Albingenses and Moravians show they were presecuted by so-called Christians for the simple act of keeping the 4th Commandment during the dark ages.

The Commandment that many make of none effect by thier traditions.
---SeventhSeal on 10/17/07


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Yes, there has been attempts by some - Roman Catholic as well as Protestant (see the Westminster Confessions) to make Sunday the Sabbath of the church. However, neither the Bible nor the early church writers recognized a sabbath for the church.

Adventist blame the Roman Church & others for changing the Sabbath, but the fault really lies with legalists - Adventists as well as others in replacing grace with obedience to laws.
---lee on 10/17/07


Jesus arose from the grave on the 1st day of the week according to scripture and in agreement with the writings of the early church.

Those that make the foolish argument that Christ arose on Saturday forget that the Jewish Sabbath was regarded as being from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

Adventists find no support for their doctrinal stands from the writings of the early church chosing instead to blame the Church of Rome for introducing error into the one true church.
---lee on 10/16/07


Part 2 - from the 3rd edition page 50 of The Converts Catechesm of Catholic Doctrine.
"Q: Which is the Sabbath Day?
A: Saturday is the Sabbath Day.
Q: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Sarurday?
A: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Churchk in the Council of Laodicea (AD 364) tranferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."

Obvious?
---dan on 10/16/07


Was digging around and found a couple of interesting things.
Daniel 7:25 says the 'beast' will "think to change times and laws."
Quote from Decretal, de tranlatic Episcop, "The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."
---dan on 10/16/07


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LEE,
He died WEDNESDAY Lee, Jesus was risen before early Sunday, therefore the Sabath day(SATURDAY), SAME DAY GOD RESTED, Jesus was ALSO RISEN!

Wed(at sundown), Thu, and Fri. Also this provides for 3 full days - Thu, Fri, Sat.
Jesus was in the tomb for 72hrs. Corruption begins setting in after 4 days (John 11:39, Psalm 16:10, Acts 2:27, 13:35)

He died BEFORE the SABATH HIG DAY OF NISAN, HE WAS RESURRECTED ON THE SABBATH BEFORE THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK!
---cInDy92714 on 10/16/07


LEE read your bible CAREFULLY!


The day FOLLOWING Jesus' crucifixion was a Sabbath, this particular one a "high day" (Jn 19:31)

The disciples ate the "last supper" on the evening before Christ's crucifixion. (Matt26:17)

~The "Feast of Unleavened Bread" lasted from the 14th to the 21st. (Ex 12:18)

The day was the 14th day of the first month (Nisan), and the Passover Lamb was to be killed on the evening of the 14th (Ex 12:1-6,Lev 14:5)
---CiNdY92714 on 10/16/07


Cindy: These people only worship Him with thier lips.

Unlike the SDAs, They do not "Keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" Rev14:12

Instead they, like Caine who sought his own way to worship, bash thier SDA Brothers who do Keep the Commandments.
---TS on 10/16/07


HOly cow....this is insane i cant believe this is still going on when Romans has the answer simply, soon someone is going to say that we cant eat certan meat, which is also addressed in that same chpt, i think its chpt 14, but i'm too tired to check it out
---mark_B. on 10/16/07


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I find it interesting that today we see some SDA theologians agree with other Bible scholars that 'sabbaths' in Col.2:16 includes the weekly Sabbath. But alas, Ellen White's interpretation takes precedence over those more trained in Scripture.
---MaryG on 10/15/07


Cindy - *We read in Revelation 1:11, that the Apostle John "was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY". Now what day do you suppose that is?*

Any student of church history or church historian will tell you that virtually all of the early church writers hold that the Lord's Day is the day of His resurrection, namely Sunday.

Sorry but it is unfortunately that your mind is so closed to the truth.
---lee on 10/15/07


Moral laws dont have 6days off..where in scripture does that say? again man adds to God's Word..again, there are 2types of Sabbath in Bible Andrea..study it ..get rooted in the truth of God and share the truth....dont add to God's word
---jana on 10/15/07


...NOWHERE in the Bible do we read that God is Lord over any other specific day of the week, except the seventh day, which is Shabbat (the Sabbath). We read in Rev1:11, that the Apostle John "was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY".
---cInDy92714 on 10/15/07

I'm sorry I'm having a difficult time answering this with a straight face. Cindy are you a christian? Or are you the Oneness cIndy?
If you think Jesus is Lord only of Saturday - just whom is your Lord the rest of the week?
---Andrea on 10/15/07


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AMEN Pierre!

If God had given permission to anyone to change ANY ONE of His Ten Commandments, His royal law, then any one of the other nine commandments could be changed also. God has nowhere in all His Word made void, done away, abolished, or in any way changed any one of His Ten Commandments.Whoever THINKS He has and acts so, is completely deceived, acting presumptuously, and will have to pay with his life, unless he REPENTS, OBEYS, and asks for Christ's grace and mercy Matt 5:17-19.
---cInDy92714 on 10/15/07


Right on Robyn! Well said.

ON JUDGEMENT DAY, when Christ ask why did you not obey the 4th commandment, what will your excuse be? Will you say"but Lord I did obey the other 9th commandment, and when I did sin, I repented." What about breaking the 4th have you repented?

If you are wise and UNDERSTAND God's way THEN PROVE IT! It says in JAMES our JOB is to OBEY the Law, NOT TO JUDGE WHETER IT APPLIES TO YOU!
---cInDy92714 on 10/15/07


TS!
Keep preaching the truth! In Matthew 12:8 we read "for the Son of man (Y'shua) is Lord even of the Sabbath day"!

Isn't it interesting that NOWHERE in the Holy Bible do we read that God is Lord over any other specific day of the week, except the seventh day, which is Shabbat (the Sabbath). We read in Revelation 1:11, that the Apostle John "was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY". Now what day do you suppose that is?
---cInDy92714 on 10/15/07


You would think that people who love The Word of God would actually observe his commandments without changing them.

Let us remember the day that the Lord has made (Psalm 118). Should we not according to Scripture worship and rejoice in God's-day (Sabbath-Shabbat), rather than Man's-day (Sun-day). PEOPLE DO FOLLOW TRADITION rather then GOD own WORDS!
---cInDy92714 on 10/15/07


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Andrea:
My Bible says that there are two kinds of Sabbaths. One is the 7th day Sabbath the other the "ceremonial" type sabbaths.The 7th day Sabbath is part of the 10 commandment law which Jesus observed and which will still be observed when we get to heaven. The ceremonial sabbaths dealt with ceremonies announcing the death of Jesus Christ (shadow of things to come). When He came, there was no longer a need for them, so "He nailed them to cross." P.
---Pierre on 10/15/07


Jesus taught that the law was summed up in two if He wanted you to keep sabbaths that would have been one of them.


ask Jesus to come into your heart and be Lord and Savior. He died to sey you free from sin
---Andrea on 10/15/07


CONTEXT is Col 2:14-17
"Law of Ordinances" nailed to Cross. Ordinances in Moses "Book of Law" FORESHADOWing Sacrifice of THE Lamb. ORDINANCES detailed animal sacrifice for sin so the REPENTANT Breaking Gods Covenant 10Commandments wouldnt eternally die. Sacrifices were eaten. ORDINANCE sacrifices pointed to the Cross
We No longer Keep these because of faith in Jesus' Sacrifice.
4th Commandment is in 10 Commandments. Keeping Sabbath is a Moral Command, not an ORDINANCE.
---TS on 10/15/07


pierre - moral laws don't get 6 days off

the sabbath was a type(shadow) of things to come. This is why it was done away with and why we now acknowledge Christ as our sabbath rest.
read Col 2
---Andrea on 10/15/07


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Two types of "sabbaths" in the Bible.
The sabbaths of the CEREMONIAL LAW (dealing with meat and drink offerings and sabbaths which fell on different day of the week each months of the year.)
The Sabbaths of the MORAL LAW (dealing with the laws concerning the way we should honor our God and fellow man and this law includes the 4th commandment, which tells us to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy in honor of our Creator God).
This law is permanent! P.
---Pierre on 10/15/07


The unrepentant use this text to justify their rebellion. What they don't realize is that this text in context is talking about being judgemental. It says that God is our judge not man. It does NOT teach doctrines contrary to God's moral law. Each will have to explain to God why, if they really love Him, they did not obey His will/law.
Will He accept your rationalizations?
---robin8683 on 10/14/07


Mima, No its speaking to you : Jesus was talking about the ceremonial things that were done away, take note, :HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON OR OF THE SABBTH DAYS. NOTE: New moons, Sabbath Days/and not day. These are all of the ceremonial laws..understand your bible mima, trying seeing the truth thru the Word of God and not of man..
---jana on 10/14/07


The fact is if the Adventists could not criticize other faiths they have no faith.

It appears to be a consequence of starting on the wrong foundation EGW (and I'm not trying to be insulting) but she started drawing others to her 'end of days' teaching and expounded on that....the Adventists are so close to Christian except that they tack on these rules that are fine if they only encourage people to do them

but not when they judge themselves and others as to their relationship with Christ.
---Andrea on 10/10/07


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Mima) Thank you. On every one of these blogs regarding the Seventh Day issues, I quote these along with some other scriptures and am ignored with reference to the scriptures but am addressed with reference to some other negative point.Of course the people do not know me,my background or my spiritual standing with the Lord so the entire debate becomes mute at that point. YOu might want to look at Romans chapeter 14 as it speaks to the Adventists.:)
---splaa6685 on 10/10/07


2) Mima) Hi again. I was actually asked to provide scripture refs when on another blog I wrote a synopsis of Rom 14,col 2 and Matt12,7,8 and when I came back with the Scriptures, they pretty much said that the scriptures (which are straight out stated in plain language) were to be interpreted differently.:)ha. There is no room for interpretation for those scriptures.:)They are clear.These people are in denial.:)
---splaa6685 on 10/10/07


No reasonable person can doubt that the SDA is guilty of judging the rest of us according to meat we eat and the sabbath day.
---Mima on 10/10/07


Col 2:16 Mima: Read on to V17 All such things are only a shadow of such things in the future,the reality is Christ.Meat n drinks are declared 2b a sh adow of Christ,they point towards His coming. Ceremonial things Mima.The apostles are not giving permision 2the Colosian Christian 2 eat n drink what they want, no, its fulfilment is already met in Christ.
---jana on 10/10/07


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One problem here is that the KJV has the following:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, in drink, in respect of an holyday, of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The argument centers around what is meant by 'sabbath days' - the weekly Sabbaths or the festival sabbaths.

While some Adventist theologians now believe 'sabbaths' includes the weekly Sabbath, many Adventists refuse this interpretation as they feel a need to criticize others for not observing the 4th commandment.
---lee on 10/9/07


Hi, I think it speaks to most all of us on some level or another, we all can have a tendency to judge others, unfortunately.
---Mary on 10/9/07


Yes, absolutely. We are not to judge others. We often come across as judgemental in our enthusiasm to present Biblical truths. When I am guilty of this, I sincerely apologize. I know others love Jesus as much as I do and it is offensive to them when I present myself as having greater love for Him.
One question though. Does Paul's exortation NOT to judge others cancel out Biblical truth?
---robin8683 on 10/9/07


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