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Seven Year Tribulation

In the book of Daniel, chapter 9:24-27 are the "seventy weeks" a reference to the seven years of the "great tribulation" period?

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The first coming(3 1/2 years), and the second
coming(3 1/2).
---duke on 12/15/07


There is actually some of Luke that deals with the 70 a.d. distruction of Jerusalem.But rightly dividing which is 70a.d. and which is Future Trib. is key. Mr. Graham has done well in the scriptures he has pointed out. These could not have taken place in 70 a.d. for Christ has not fulfilled these yet.
---Tommy on 11/5/07


(Luke:21:27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

(Luke 21:32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus has not returned in a cloud with great power -- yet!

What generation is He talking about? The generation that sees the fig tree (Israel) have a rebirth. That happened in 1948.
---Mr._Graham on 11/5/07


(Luke 21:27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Did Jesus do this in 70 A.D.? Of course not. Jesus pretty much summed up all the things to come in Luke 21, including the end of times.
---Mr._Graham on 11/5/07


Adam,

What you cited is just part of Jesus' prophesy. Read:
(Luke 21:22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

These scriptures go hand-in-hand with the Book Of Revelation.
---Mr._Graham on 11/5/07




Mr. Graham:

You are mistaken. You have taken the verse completely out of context. Here He is speaking of the Destruction of Jerusalem (70 A.D.) that for them was in the near future. The whole section was about that certain event in the NEAR future. In fact look at verse 32 of that chapter, it says "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened". See? Read scripture in it's complete context. It makes tons more sense.
---Adam on 11/5/07


(Luke 21:36) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
---Mr._Graham on 11/5/07


"Jesus said always pray that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are to come"

Hehe, I'd like to see the Scripture in which He said that. ?
---Adam on 11/2/07


Adam,

My Dear Brother, you are mistaken. Jesus said always pray that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are to come. The rapture will be the escape just before the tribulation period.
---Mr._Graham on 11/2/07


Actually, we believers WILL endure the tribulation. God never promised to remove us from this earth, in fact he prayed that we stay in it (John 17).

The passage in Daniel has already clearly been fulfilled. It speaks of the coming of the Messiah and of the Destruction of Jerusalem (70 A.D.). Most theologians agree that it has already been fulfilled.
---Adam on 11/1/07




It's my belief now and has been since reading scripture and hearing numerous speakers on the subject, that this reference refers to the two, three and one half year periods of The Great Tribulation, preceded by the rapture of the Church.
---Rudy on 11/1/07


The seventy weeks are a reference to 490 years determined unto Israel. Anly the final week(7 years) deal with the tribulation.None of the seventy weeks are for the Church as some mistaking believe.Therefore,the Church will not experience any of the tribulation period,or final 7 years of Daniels 70 week vision.
---Tommy on 11/1/07


"Show me anywhere in scripture that indicates a week is anything but 7 years."

John 20:26 = A WEEK later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"

Does this mean Seven years after Jesus appeared to the disciples, He returned and appeared to Thomas?
---Adam on 11/1/07


Luke 24:1 = On the FIRST DAY of the WEEK, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

Does this mean for the first year the women brought spices to the tomb? Also notice it says "early in the morning" that refers to part of a single 24 hour day.
---Adam on 11/1/07


(Lev 25:3-4) There were to be 6 years of work in the land of Israel, and a 7th year of rest for the land, just as in the normal week there would be 6 days of work and a 7th day of rest -- the Sabbath.

A week equals 7 years, my friends.
---Mr._Graham on 10/31/07


Adam,

First you say prove that 42 months is in the Book Of Revelation -- and I did. Then you say well "It's not what people believe".

I suppose then it's incumbent upon you to prove that 42 months isn't one-half of the week of the tribulation period. To me, it could not be any clearer. Daniel's "week" is 7 years. In the midst of the week is 42 months or 3.5 years. Furthermore, 1260 days is 3.5 years or 42 months.
---Mr._Graham on 10/31/07


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Show me anywhere in scripture that indicates a week is anything but 7 years. To make my point, I gave you:

(Genesis 29:27-28) Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

The ball is in your court...
---Mr._Graham on 10/31/07


Yeah, but who decides WHEN God means a thousand years? It is absurd logic. Jesus was in the tomb for 3,000 years? Jesus was in the wilderness for 40,000 years? The Israelites were captive in Egypt for 146,000,000 years? Get real, you can't just subtitute a thousand years because it sounds right to you. That passage in scripture refers to the coming of the Messiah and the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
---Adam on 10/31/07


The scripture "A day with the Lord is as a thousand years" only proves the point. In Ezekiel's case, God counted one day for a year. In the other, 'a day is as a thousand years. The point is a day can mean whatever God wants it to mean in any given example. He's God. He created time. It's 'not' the best idea to 'tell' God what He can and cannot do. I for one am glad He's God and I'm not.
---jack8937 on 10/30/07


Ezek.4:4-6 v6 God said to Ezekiel, "I have appointed thee each day for a year."JACK

ALSO IN 2 Peter 3:8 'But DO NOT FORGET THIS ONE THING, dear friends: With the Lord A DAY IS A THOUSAND YEARS, and a thousand years ARE AS A DAY'

Adam,

Six days means six thousand years. One day means one thousand years. Six thousand years by God's reckoning as recorded in scripture have now passed since the time of Adam. We are now at the beginning of the seventh thousand.
---cInDy92714 on 10/30/07


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Rev 20 speaks of a time when Satan will be bound for a thousand years. The 7days of creation described in Genesis are then a picture of 6thousand years of man's labour followed by 1thousand years of Sabbath rest.

To observe Sunday as a holy day is simply to turn from Judaism to paganism. The Jewish Sabbath is a type or picture of our SPIRITUAL REST. The six days, picturing six thousand years of man's labour and toil, are now complete, and we stand at the threshhold of the day of the Lord.
---CiNdY92714 on 10/30/07


Mr. Graham:

I'm not seeking more truth about this, I am trying to reveal that it is not what people believe it to be. You have to push alot of things around to get it to mean Seven years and then have to push it a little more to make it mean that it is the Great Tribulation. Read Scripture in context. Reality is much better for you.
---Adam on 10/30/07


The biggest mistake is that you take this passage to mean the "Great" tribulation. It plainly refers to the coming of the Messiah and then the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
---Adam on 10/30/07


Adam, You might want to consider the following scripture. Ezek.4:4-6 v6 God said to Ezekiel, "I have appointed thee each day for a year."(partial)Too long to list all 3 verses here. Just proves it is POSSIBLE for God to count one day for one year if he so chooses.Obviously this is not in every case but only when God chose to do so.?? Perhaps so that only those who seek will find and understand.
---jack8937 on 10/29/07


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Adam, You might want to consider the following scripture. Ezek.4:4-6 v6 God said to Ezekiel, "I have appointed thee each day for a year."(partial)Too long to list all 3 verses here. Just proves it is POSSIBLE for God to count one day for one year if he so chooses.Obviously this is not in every case but only when God chose to do so.?? Perhaps so that only those who seek will find and understand.
---jack8937 on 10/29/07


Adam,

With all kindness & love, are you really seeking the truth or being simply disingenuous? I have given many scriptures and a reasonable analysis about the definition of a "week".

God Bless!
---Mr._Graham on 10/26/07


"and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months."

Why do they use the word "months" here? Why don't they use "in the middle of the week"
as Daniel used if it means the same thing?

According to you, wouldn't 1,260 days equal 1,260 years?
---Adam on 10/26/07


(Revelation 11:3-6) And I will grant My two witnesses power to prophesy for one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth. And if any one would harm them, fire pours out from their mouth and consumes their foes, if any one would harm them, thus he is doomed to be killed.
---Mr._Graham on 10/26/07


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They have power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.
---Mr._Graham on 10/26/07


(Revelation 11:2) Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told: Rise and measure the Temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the Temple, leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.
---Mr._Graham on 10/26/07


He shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and in the MIDST of the WEEK he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even unto the consummation...(Daniel 9:27)
---Mr._Graham on 10/25/07


And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(Revelation 11:3)
---Mr._Graham on 10/25/07


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1260 days = 42 months.
---Mr._Graham on 10/25/07


Mr. Graham:

"It's all in the Book of Revelation. The final "week" is divided into the first 42 months (1260 days or 3.5 years) and the second 42 months (1260 days or 3.5 years)."

It most certainly is not. Reference please?
---Adam on 10/25/07


It's all in the Book of Revelation. The final "week" is divided into the first 42 months (1260 days or 3.5 years) and the second 42 months (1260 days or 3.5 years).
---Mr._Graham on 10/24/07


Mr. Graham:

Yes, in that verse it is meant 7 years. But you've yet to prove that that's what it means in Daniel 9. Because we could subtitute 7 years for every time the word "week" is used in Scripture according to your logic.
---Adam on 10/23/07


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For thousands of years, people have been trying to figure this out without success. If I told you the truth, you would not believe me, you would critisize me. So the best thing to do is to simply obey the two commandments Jesus spoke of in the NT and God spoke of in the OT and pray to God that you and yours are worthy enough for His protection. If your relationship with God is intimate, He will reveal to you certain events.
---Steveng on 10/23/07


Jacob had to serve Leban for 7 years (one week) to pay for Rachael.

(Genesis 29:27-28) Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
---Mr._Graham on 10/23/07


3.5 years (42 months) x 360 days per year = 1260 days + leap month = 1,290 days
---Mr._Graham on 10/23/07


Some one please prove the day = a year, in scripture and in context. Please?
---dan on 10/23/07


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In the middle of the week (42 months), anti-christ will put a stop to the sacrifices. 42 months = 3.5 years. 3.5 years X 2 = 7 years.

Conclusion: One week equals 7 years.
---Mr._Graham on 10/23/07


(Daniel 9:27) And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering, and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.
---Mr._Graham on 10/23/07


You see, we bend the meanings of words to get them to mean what we want them to mean so that they will make more sense. That's taking them out of context.

(weeks=seven=seven years?)
---Adam on 10/23/07


24 "Seventy WEEKS are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven WEEKS, and sixty-two WEEKS. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
---Adam on 10/23/07


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"After the sixty-two WEEKS, the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one WEEK. In the middle of the WEEK he will put an end to sacrifice and offering..."
---Adam on 10/23/07


"Adam,

The 70 weeks equal 490 years (70 weeks X 7 years per week). This was Israel's punishment."

Um...I'm not seeing where you get the 7 years per each week. Nothing about years is mentioned in the Scriptures you gave. ...?
---Adam on 10/23/07


Adam,

The 70 weeks equal 490 years (70 weeks X 7 years per week). This was Israel's punishment.
---Mr._Graham on 10/23/07


Joseph,if you don't mind, may I continue your thought. You are exactly right that Jesus ministry was intended to be 7 years. The last 7 yrs. of Israel's 490 years began at Jesus Baptism of Holy Spirit. Had it began at his birth, Israel's last 7 years would have expired when Jesus turned 7. Long before Jesus ever preached one word to Israel.When Jesus was cut off in mid-week Israels countdown was suspended, and times of the gentiles began.cont'd
---jack8937 on 10/20/07


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for joseph cont'd - the rest of the story, is simply that Jesus'7 year ministry 'will be completed'. The last 3 & 1/2 years of Israel's 490 is exactly the length of the Great Tribulation. People confuse the 7 yr.peace treaty of Anti-christ as being length of Tribulation. The first 3 & 1/2 years are a time of unprecedented peace. The last half of Jesus' ministry will be completed during 3 & 1/2 year tribulation.God's plan did not change.Love brother
---jack8937 on 10/20/07


Mr.Graham:

Can you prove that the "seventy weeks" there, mean Seven Years? Or is it just an assumption?

Please read scripture in it's original context. Who it was said by, to whom was it said, and why it was said.
---Adam on 10/18/07


One week equals 7 years. 70 weeks equals 490 years. Israel was punished for 70 years because of their disobedience. 483 years (69 weeks) had past when Jesus came to earth. We are now in the Gentile dispensation of Grace. Once the Bride of Christ is raptured, then the last 7 years (one week) will unfold. That is the tribulation period. You don't want to be around for that, as God's wrath will be poured out on a corrupt people. Seek the baptism of the Holy Ghost so that you will be found worthy of escape.
---Mr._Graham on 10/15/07


No, It is the probationary period for the Jewish nation. The 62 and 7 weeks are a part of this prophecy and prophecy the time of Christ's birth. The end of the 70 weeks is when the gospel went to the gentiles.
One other thing. The 7 weeks does not refer to the great tribulation period. It is part of the 70 week prophecy which is also a part of the 2300 day prophecy given in chapter 8.
---robin8683 on 10/14/07


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Cynthia, The seven year tribulation that you are alluding to is referenced after the semi-colon following the word "himself" in the 26th verse, through the end of the chapter. It is the "one week" of verse 27.
---joseph on 10/14/07


No. The seventy weeks were determined (decreed to cut off or to end the covenant of the law) of Daniel's people (as those under the law, including the ceremonies, traditions and rituals associated with that covenant). During this prophetic period the temple in Jerusalem would be rebuilt and the city restored. After a period of 69 week the Messiah would be revealed. His reveal signaled the end of the 'world' (as the age of law) and the beginning of the age of grace. Cont.
---joseph on 10/14/07


Pt.2 Jesus received the anointing of His earthly ministry at His baptism, when the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in the bodily form of a dove. I believe, based on Dan. 9:26 that His personal earthly ministry was originally intended for the entire 70th week. However due to the religious system and its heads rejection of Him as their messiah, the Father as prophesied, allow His ministry to be cut in half. Cont.
---joseph on 10/14/07


Pt.3 His disciples were then commission to continue His ministry, directed specifically to those under the law exclusively for the remaining three and a half years of that last allotted week of this prophecy. However the stoning of Stephen signaled the end of that allotted time, and Paul was then commissioned by the LORD to extend His ministry to include the gentiles (as those who possessed no true knowledge or previous covenant with the Father). Cont.
---joseph on 10/14/07


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Hi Cynthia, wish I had an answer for this one, I keep looking for others to respond, hopefully some others will soon :)
---Mary on 10/12/07


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