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Apocryphal Books Of The Bible

What about the Apocryphal books of the Bible that are not included? Who and based on what decided that only the 66 books can be included in the Bible? Can a Christian rely on the other books (apocryphal) not included in the Bible?

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I cannot answer either way. Some apocryphas may be scripturally sound (I think there was a 4 John (or maybe it was 3 Peter), but when the councils met to decide what would be included in the Bible, that letter was not brought, so it was not included

So it MAY be fine to read, but its value is not guaranteed
---Peter on 2/1/11


I'm not sure if you have been quoting references or using your own knowledge.
However, I am doing research on the Orginal Hebrew Bible.
Which for the most part is lost. I have the Samaritan Torah, The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Cairo Geniza and findings from smaller Synagogues.

Do you have any other information or leads on this?

---John on 1/31/11

The Apocrypha were not treated as Holy Scriptures. Why were
they in there? Because there are facts in them that do relate to biblical history, so they
were like our introductions.
---Dan on 1/25/11

As a point of historic interest, the vanon of the NT was largely set by Orthodox Councils, not the RCC.
---mike8384 on 10/20/07

They are there for anyone thats want to read them, to do so. But by large most Christians rely on the HOLY BIBLE other than other books. most of which may not contain anything concerning God or Christ and his resurrection which has not already being covered in full.
---Carla5754 on 10/19/07

P2: The Greek Septuagint (OT) was used by the early Christians, because that was the dominant language by Gentile converts. But the Gospel according to Matthew was first written in either Hebrew or Aramaic and translated into Greek. Hebrews was also probably written in Hebrew and later translated as well.

The Douay-Rheims Bible is translated from the Vulgate with consideration for the earlier texts, however other Catholic Bibles are translated from the original languages where still possible.
---lorra8574 on 10/18/07

For those who are interested, the Catholic Bible was not officially in Latin until Jerome translated the Vulgate. There were some previous translation in Latin but were not very good. Prior to that, the Bible was most often in Greek, although parts also existed in Hebrew, Aramaic and Syriac/Chaldean (and variations thereof). The Bible was translated into the vernacular very early on which is why we had some of them.
---lorra8574 on 10/18/07

.lorra, I have no care about what other religions canons or their manmade writings are, for I only have care for the Christian Holy Scriptures. There is no breath of God in dead canons, for only his words have his life and all else are vanity.
---Eloy on 10/18/07

.lorra, I also correct you, for your religion did not set the canon for the Old and New Testaments, but they set canons for your own religion. The well-known books of the Christian Holy Bible have nothing to do with catholicism. We derive our Holy Bible from copies of the original Hebrew, Syriac and Greek Scriptures, and not from the Roman nor Latin writings.
---Eloy on 10/18/07

Lorra is right, Hebrews, 2 Thes., 2 Peter, Jude and James were accepted very late. Revelation almost didn't make it at all taking 600-700 years to be accepted some places in Asia. The Orthodox churches never use Revelation in public worship.
---InimicusStultitiae on 10/17/07

Eloy, my Church set the canon for the New and Old Testaments. And as an amateur historian (which means "not paid", not "inferior" historian), I also know that a number of the NT books were not always accepted. But I agree that they should have been, which is why my Church allowed them to be. They are the inspired Word of God, even if some were not so certain of this. If God thought we were wrong, He would have let us know.
---lorra8574 on 10/17/07

lorra, The Christian's Bible is genuine Holy Writ. None of the well-known published 27 New Testament books of the Christian Holy Bible are apocrypha, but rather all the N.T. books are wholly proven authentic and received by every true Christian from God. And I have no care for any unsaved false religionists whom reject the words from God. And because you are a catholic it is likely that you would also reject God's words and support "other" nonscriptural writings like the uninspired apocrypha.
---Eloy on 10/17/07

Ted, I have a problem with the position that God might have written something that we've lost. Yours is a common feeling today as the rational for the newer English versions based on "new" textual basis. If God thought it important enough to inspire it, why would He be so powerless as to see it lost? Not a problem with you, just with the general faith of the times.
---ed_the_other_one on 10/16/07

Ted, the Church burned heretical material and flawed translations (if a bible is improperly translated or damaged, the only proper and honourable way to dispose of it is by fire). If you really want to know heresies, many are described by the early Church writers. It has been said that if the Bible were to be totally destroyed some how, we could recreated it entirely from the quotes contained in the writings of the Early Church Fathers. If you want to know useful things, go to them - they still exist.
---lorra8574 on 10/16/07

Eloy, you must be using a very different Bible. The Deutercanonical books of the New Testament are very much still in there. James, Jude, Hebrews, Revelation, etc. There are seven books in total, plus portions of three of the protocanonical books - all from the New Testament. These books were all rejected by some of the Early Church Writers, or at least not included in their lists for canonical books. They were eventually included after much investigation and discussion.
---lorra8574 on 10/16/07

Whatabout the truly vast volumes of holy text burned by catholics in the middle ages... Now they are permanently lost. What did god write that the church feels we were unworthy to read? What about the equality of all men?
---Ted on 10/16/07

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I would not. The Holy Bible is all we need. These other books are foreign.
---catherine on 10/16/07

This why Jesus established an authoritative body to ensure that we could know what belonged and what does not.

The early Christians used the larger Septuagint canon, not the smaller and more recent Palestinian canon. However, neither canon was officially closed at the time of Christ. The Torah (Pentateuch) was settled, and the Prophets were pretty much established, but the writings were still quite open. /2
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

P2: The New Testament OT was also wide open, with over 200 contenders for canonization. Even the books that we accept, were not always accepted. Like the OT, there was a protocanon of books that everyone knew about and accepted, and a deuterocanon of books that some accepted and others were not certain of. The Christian canon (OT and NT) was decided by the Universal Church during the late fourth century. /3
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

P3: One thing that helped them was that most books had a pedigree - they knew where they came from (this reputable Christian received the book from that reputable Christian down through history to the author). We would have a hard time sorting that out now.

This is also how we know who wrote which Gospel account. The Evangelists did not sign their names to these scrolls and even went to some lengths to minimize their own presence within the Gospel accounts where possible.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

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Plainly some people have problems with the published gospel, and are inclined to look elsewhere for "other" nonBiblical writings. Any books not inspired (ie: not God-breathed or not God-spoken) should not be relied upon, and especiialy when they contradict God's inspired words. Those apocrypha have intentionally and rightly been kept out of both testaments, and presently removed from being bound in the center of the two testaments, for they are indeed uninspired literature and nonScripture.
---Eloy on 10/15/07

If you mean the so-called Deuterocanonical books, or those called Apocrypha in the King James Version (yes, they exist in this translation), they are part of the Bible and were never questioned until the Reformation by Christians.
---Jack on 10/15/07

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