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Right or wrong, should a Pastor give a salvation invitation at the end of a worship service?

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If He isn't a true man of God he needs to step down. Otherwise, of course.
---catherine on 9/11/10


Trav, there's no anger in my answers. You cannot cause me to sin.
Because I know that through life I will run into people like you who get personal. That will always happen.
---MarkV. on 9/10/10

It's nothing personal, rather scriptural. The scriptures rebuking you....you have taken personal. It was presented scriptural.
Scripture witnessing scripture sends you off on a wordy tirade. Not one time have you answered with scripture witnessing scripture. You can't...you don't believe the witnesses over your logic or doctrine.
---Trav on 9/10/10


Trav, there's no anger in my answers. You cannot cause me to sin. You see Trav, before I answer anyone, I come before the Lord and ask for His help, and guideness, that what I put down will not be for my glory.
When I answer personal attacks from those like you, I thank God that I'm alive, that He gave me breath to live. And all the tools to learn from Him. Because I know that through life I will run into people like you who get personal. That will always happen. The Truth is, that only those who have faith in Jesus Christ will enter the Kindgom of God. I do not care if they are married, devorced, Judian's or not. There is only one way into Heaven, it is through Christ. All without Christ are the lost.
---MarkV. on 9/10/10


Trav, your prophetic Scriptures do nothing for me, ....
Only God can take you away from the "Israel of the flesh" and put you in the "Israel of God." ---Mark_V. on 8/8/10


Realizing you are just unaware and desirous of being rabbinical. I'm trying to be careful here. In anger you make dangerous statements. What you are ignoring scripturally, undermines your NT foundation. Start house with some rock of prophet. Resurection...means???
Ezekiel 37:5
Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones, Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
---Trav on 9/9/10


Trav, ...Your witnesses speak the Truth, you just do not understand them.
For your free will means beans, to God.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/10

Your comments are a testimoney actually. These scriptures were never meant to speak to you.
GOD's witnesses do speak the truth. The truth is easy, but you will not tolerate truth. It usurps you doctrines.
The point: is the NT covenant is supported by witnesses of the Old Covenant books. Unifying, the understanding of all scripture. The sheep will see/hear.
Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Jeremiah 30:2
Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
---Trav on 8/9/10




Trav, your prophetic Scriptures do nothing for me, because your interpretation of what they say is false. Your witnesses speak the Truth, you just do not understand them. I wonder why? You might stay stuck in the Old Testament. Only God can take you away from the "Israel of the flesh" and put you in the "Israel of God." For your free will means beans, to God.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/10


I appreciate Trav and others who have caused me to study God's word ...
I really don't mind it he becomes my shadow!---Warwick on 8/6/10

Well, that's a proper attitude. Glad to shine "strict" scriptural light on your shadows. Now the last time, and actually this time you run off. Had a epiphany it seems! Scriptural light of two or more witnesses, scares stapufft preachers and undocumented doctrine types. markv: Stick around "prophetic",scripture shines even in the darkest corners.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isaiah 9:8
The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
---Trav on 8/8/10


Trav, for your information I read the whole of Scripture, I'm not stuck in the Old Testament as you are. I look ahead for the hope that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. You are still looking backwards at those who have rejected the Word of God. I look forward with those who are saved already and are of the body of Christ, the "Israel of God" Galatians 6:16 made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. You are still with those who are of "the Israel of the flesh" 1 Cor. 10:18.
---MarkV. on 8/7/10


Warwick, blessings to you also for the hard work you are doing on Scripture and the time you spend bringing the Word of God to those who have eyes to see and ear's to hear and a heart to percieve. I rather answer those who want to discuss a subject in Scripture then someone who all they want to do is argue with you, and then call you something to boot. It does sharpen us more, and since I began to answer many, it has given me the passion to learn even more of God. But many cannot hear or see, let along percieve what is Truth. Not because they do not want to learn, but because they are not able.
---MarkV. on 8/7/10


Thanks Mark. I appreciate Trav and others who have caused me to study God's word more intensely. There is nothing like battle to sharpen us up.

I really don't mind it he becomes my shadow! But thanks for the warning anyway. Keep up the God work!
---Warwick on 8/6/10




Trav I stand by my comments that you have defamed Christian brothers.
Please cut and paste, for all to see, examples ---Warwick on 8/5/10

Ohhh. Stand on.... in the dairy.
Defamed the theorist, theory's huh. Can't Adhere to your "strictly", "strict" scripture, comment where this all started, so shift directions.

You want me $$$ your friends books.
Which is pointless, when the doctrine promotionals are free online.
I have cut and pasted,witness scripture for all to see. The author is GOD. The writers are the O.T. prophets,fathers of scripture. Your witness is your friends.
---Trav on 8/6/10


Warwick, you are correct....Trav. He is another who never err's.

....then gives you scripture that is condemning to make sure you understand the prophets on his side as witnesses no matter what he says.
---MarkV. on 8/6/10

Scripture catches you wrong, not me.
You won't hear/see the O.T. prophets, and ignore Christs own writings....I surely wouldn't expect you to hear me.
When you are authoritative without any authority I post witness scripture which exposes you.
Your unwitnessed doctrines draw light.
For u & your buddy.
Psalm 119:118
Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood.

And I do err. But, GOD's witnesses do not.
---Trav on 8/6/10


Warwick, you are correct. It doesn't matter how you answer, and what you say, you will be wrong when it comes to Trav. He is another who never err's. When he becomes your enemy, you better watch out, he will follow you around to every blog he sees your name, I found that out. He is one of five or six who does that. He doesn't just move on when you disagree with him, he follows you like a shadow, and then gives you scripture that is condemning to make sure you understand the prophets on his side as witnesses no matter what he says.
---MarkV. on 8/6/10


Trav I stand by my comments that you have defamed Christian brothers.

I prefer books over online information. A personal choice. Further this site allows mention of books but restricts our ability to supply links.

You write of my " friends whose foundational writings are easily found online. I would not waste a penny of my "ble$$ings" on their "milky" writing. I don't waste time when writers are foundationally wrong."

Please cut and paste, for all to see, examples of my friends "milky writing" and where they are foundationally wrong. Plus the name of the author please.

---Warwick on 8/5/10


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And you instruct me to "Stand on your own...be a man." What hypocrisy!
You are obviously a false accuser.
---Warwick on 8/4/10

Strange how "theorys" never make anything obvious. You "BOASTED" "strict" scripture, yet these boys are your mini GOD's.
Scripture cuts falsehoods like butter....and makes little puffy wolvies, run and hide.

Coward? I come running at you and your friends whose foundational writings are easily found online. I would not waste a penny of my "ble$$ings" on their "milky" writing. I don't waste time when writers are foundationally wrong. But, searchers find. They may find. You sir r a follower not a searcher.
---Trav on 8/5/10


Trav,
You are obviously a false accuser.
---Warwick on 8/4/10 I pointed to your own post "strict scripture", now I'm an accuser.
Mr stapuft, this foundation study is offered here. School up,report back.

Psalms 2:1 Why do heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psalms 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psalms 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psalms 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron, thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
---Trav on 8/5/10


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Trav, I imagine any reasonable person would understand that I am able to recommend these Christians, and what they write, because I have known them, for 10-20 years. I take offence at your ignorant unChristian comments, on their behalf, because you are a coward who insults and belittles Christian men you don't even know.

I believe you have never read the book, and don't even know who wrote it. But nonetheless you defame them. And you instruct me to "Stand on your own...be a man." What hypocrisy!

You are obviously a false accuser.
---Warwick on 8/4/10


Trav I know the writers of The Creation Answers Book,..... It says much about you that in ignorance you would denigrate their self-sacrificial efforts.---Warwick on 8/2/10

BTW, he helps them.
So what if you know them. Am I supposed to be impressed,with the credit are you trying to milk pulling on their coat tails. Stand on your own...be a man. I'm friends with head's of fortune 500 company's. I don't put my faith/preach as truth their personal theory's. Ken Ham is decent idiot associated with your friends. He recently spent 25 million building a creation museum.
25 mil, for unproven theory's. You guys are so bent on your own unscriptural doctrine/version, that truth/gospel evades you. I'll find it in scripture for u.
---Trav on 8/3/10


in romans 10:10 paul is talking to brothers not lost souls. so in the Word they were called to be baptized, but about 500 years ago that was taken out and alter call put in and the word never ever mentions a altercal nowhere in the NT.
---KEN on 3/16/08

Ken, an accurate observation.

Psalm 28:9
Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever.

Zechariah 8:13
And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
---Trav on 8/2/10


Trav I know the writers of The Creation Answers Book, and know they are conservative Christian men who strive long and hard for the gospel. It says much about you that in ignorance you would denigrate their self-sacrificial efforts.

BTW Ken Ham is not one of this books authors.

As regards the wide way my experience shows that those who stick to the straight-forward understanding of God's word are definitely not in the majority, and conversely are on the narrow way.

I do not believe I have the foundations at a tilt at all, as I follow and defend what God says. If you disagree please show me where my understanding of the foundations is incorrect.
---Warwick on 8/2/10


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Trav I know the authors well, having been friends with them for years.
I guessed (correctly I believe) ...
And you rubbish them. This says much about you.
---Warwick on 7/30/10

Thank you very much for your (incorrect)testimoney. I would not want to be aligned with wolfies and their deceived friends. Against scripture.
I stated ealier if you have one thing foundationally wrong...you probably have a tilted house.
You didn't mention Ken Ham's name. You are very needful of appearances,props and friends that support your doctrines. Called the wide way.
These fellows have done a lot of work. Truth may even set them free someday. Since it is them doing search work.
---Trav on 8/2/10


Jesus asked people to come to Him. John 21:12, 11:43, 6:44, Luke 18:22, 14:17 14:27 and Matt 11:28 all of these and more are invitations. Every disciple was given an invitation by Jesus.
But, I guess, when you don't accept the Bible you can say anything you want to.
Cain was bid to come to God more than once, Gen 4:7. It was an invitation.
Why would anyone who is Saved not ask others to come to Christ?
---Elder on 7/31/10


Cluny Peter preached the gospel and 3,000 people responded. That this was or was not in a worship service is immaterial.

Preach the gospel in and out of season.
---Warwick on 7/31/10


\\If I have a birthday party and tell everyone about it but invite no one who do you think will show up?
---Elder on 7/30/10\\

This is my point, Elder.

Your birthday party might be about you.

But the worship of the Church is NOT!
---Cluny on 7/30/10


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When Jesus spoke/preached to people and said, "Come follow me" was that an invitation or just something to let them know He was finished speaking?
What could any saved person have against someone giving an invitation? Those of you who are against it tell me why.
If I have a birthday party and tell everyone about it but invite no one who do you think will show up?
---Elder on 7/30/10


\\As recorded in Acts ch. 2 Peter preached the gospel. He concluded with Therefore let all Israel be assured of this:\\

And you don't actually think this was a worship service, do you?

It wasn't.

Or do you think the whole point of a service is to see how many people you can get to walk down the aisle to repeated choruses of "Just as I Am"?

That makes the service MAN centered--but most Protestant services are, anyway. How many people do you hear say, "I got a lot out of it" or "I didn't get anything out of it"--as if worship were about THEM?
---Cluny on 7/29/10


As recorded in Acts ch. 2 Peter preached the gospel. He concluded with Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, Brothers, what shall we do? Peter replied, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far offfor all whom the Lord our God will call."

And about 3,000 were saved that day!

Sure sounds like a salvation invitation to me.
---Warwick on 7/28/10


||"Why do you believe in something that's nowhere in the Bible?
Cluny 7/28/10

Sola scriptura? Et tu Cluny? :-)
---scott on 7/27/10||

I've never claimed to go by Sola Scriptura.

But I do think that those who DO must be consistent.
---Cluny on 7/27/10


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Right or wrong, should a Pastor give a salvation invitation at the end of a worship service?

Why not?
Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
---francis on 7/27/10


"Why do you believe in something that's nowhere in the Bible?
Cluny 7/28/10

Sola scriptura? Et tu Cluny? :-)
---scott on 7/27/10


** And strangely enough they will never give an imitation unto salvation(an altar call) at the end of their services.**

Hmmmmmm......

I just noticed this, mima.

"Imitation unto salvation." Maybe you're prophesying!
---Cluny on 7/26/10


\\I believe in altar calls\\

Why do you believe in something that's nowhere in the Bible?

||Stiff and formal religious services can never accommodate those seeking salvation.||

It depends on what you mean by "salvation." The quick evangelical decision right now is not the same thing as salvation.

Jesus Himself attended "formal relgious services" and even took leading roles in them.

** And strangely enough they will never give an imitation unto salvation(an altar call) at the end of their services.**

Show me where this was done in the Bible.
---Cluny on 7/26/10


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I believe in altar calls. One of the most unusual experiences I've ever had was being interrupted, while speaking in a church, by someone who came forward seeking salvation in the middle of the sermon. I felt then and I feel now that there was no other choice but to stop talking and pray with that individual who by the way received the Lord Jesus Christ.

Stiff and formal religious services can never accommodate those seeking salvation. And strangely enough they will never give an imitation unto salvation(an altar call) at the end of their services.
---mima on 7/26/10


If you read the descriptions of early Christian worship, those who were unbelievers were dismissed at a certain part of the service.

Did you know that?

**Because I'm confined mostly to a wheelchair I was using giving watermelons away as a way to attract passer byes.**

I've heard of rice Christians, but never watermelon Christians.
---Cluny on 7/26/10


Last week I spent witnessing on the street. Because I'm confined mostly to a wheelchair I was using giving watermelons away as a way to attract passer byes. I gave an invitation of salvation to every person who stopped and talked with me. An invitation unto salvation is really the greatest witnessing tool we can use. I saw the lord do many amazing things, he saved many people who I would say were not only lost but really down and out also.
One man resisted saying I do not believe like that and he insisted on paying. But quickly before he got out my sight I said a prayer for him and ask God not to let him die and go to hell.
---mima on 7/26/10


The True minister of God while ministering, the salvation invite Should be any time during the services, not just at the end of services.
---Lawrence on 7/26/10


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in romans 10:10 paul is talking to brothers not lost souls. so in the Word they were called to be baptized, but about 500 years ago that was taken out and alter call put in and the word never ever mentions a altercal nowhere in the NT.
---KEN on 3/16/08


I have a problem with a "salvation invitation". I agree with Jack on this point.

However, I do not have a problem with a pastor stating that the "church doors are always open, and if some one has a desire to take up their cross and follow Christ in baptism the church will assist them."

Does that make sense?
---trey on 11/3/07


I don't believe that everyone who goes forward in an alter call has been saved. I'm sure that many (possibly the majority) are filled with emotion because of the preaching and singing and now know that they need someone to talk with. Answering an alter call might not get them saved (at that moment) but it gives them the opportunity for counselling and prayer which they might not otherwise receive, or request, and that can't be a bad thing.
---RitaH on 11/3/07


whereever there were alters to be called to.

would you prefer to call them Invitations to recieve Christ as savior and get over the semantics
pleeeaaasssseeee
---Andrea on 11/2/07


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Inclusion Gospel - false

Romans 10:10 for altar calls,
Soul winning training is back - get some.
---Bob on 11/2/07


Can anyone please tell me where invitations and altar calls were given in the NT?
---Jack on 11/2/07


God has made it known to us by His word, has appointed His ministers to assist us, and has promised to give His Holy Spirit to those that ask Him, to be their guide in the way of salvation. Acts 16.
---catherine on 10/18/07


Yes. If he doesn't have an alter call, I'd wonder if he really wants to see someone saved. An alter call should be giving every service. Because someone will always need him. I believe that an Alter should always be opened. The good thing about this is, we don't need an actual Alter in a church building. We can make anything out alter. I use my bathroom, edge of my bed, edge of my couch.
---Rebecca_D on 10/17/07


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Like Andrea said, the very fact that so much time is spent on the "unchosen", trying to convince them AGAINST the will of God (obviously since they aren't "chosen"), tells me that there is something in their bones that says otherwise. You know, kind of like a fire. Head is saying, "It's like this" but spirit is saying, "Go out there and invite all of 'em."
---Linda on 10/17/07


God is good but I think He may be just a little sneaky too :). Wise as a serpent but harmless as a dove maybe? Frail earthen pots that we are, He still shines through.
---Linda on 10/17/07


"Besides preaching and worshiping God, what else is there to do in church."

Assembling?
Exhorting one another?
Communion and fellowship?

Not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together, such as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.

If you see the day approaching, you will not forsake the assembling.
---Linda on 10/17/07


"To Linda-I am somewhat shocked that you would try to show a pure Calvinist scriptures that do not agree with him. Please refrain from doing this as it might upset his fixed beliefs."

Yeah, I know, I know *shakes head*
I am ashamed. I will go to my room now.
---Linda on 10/17/07


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The thing is: One can be saved anywhere if it is God's timeing, is true. But it wouldn't be church if you didn't do the altar call. Besides preaching and worshiping God, what else is there to do in church. Do the altar call.
---catherine on 10/17/07


The only thing that God has predetermined is the number of days we live, when we will die! God also created us with 'free will'.You get to choose alter call+salvation=Life everlasting! you die, the Bible says you will suffer torment with no escape forever. God says "Test me, see that I am good"
---gaia4978 on 10/16/07


Since Salvation is predetermined by God prior to you ever being born an alter call is a totally superfluous act.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/16/07

This theology is very disturbing. Why would there be such a thing as the great commission if we weren't to go out and get them and then offer Christ to them. That is what an alter call is -- an explanation of the gospel and an opportunity to recieve salvation.
Unless the pastor knows for sure there should always be an alter call.
---Andrea on 10/16/07


As a bonafide hoosoever I testify that anyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes will be saved.I responded to an alter call and found Jesus there. God knew what my answer to His call would be but was it not my answer?
That line of thinking would say also that missionaries shouldnt go, we shouldnt witness. For that matter should we even pray? Of course we should. The fervent prayer of a rightous man availith much. Hmmm, how so if the outcome is predetermined?
---imahoosoever on 10/16/07


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To Linda-I am somewhat shocked that you would try to show a pure Calvinist scriptures that do not agree with him. Please refrain from doing this as it might upset his fixed beliefs.
---mima on 10/16/07


"Since Salvation is predetermined by God prior to you ever being born an alter call is a totally superfluous act." If that were true wouldn't missionaries, Sunday School teachers and preachers also be superfluous? Oh yes, and even bibles!
---RitaH on 10/16/07


"Since Salvation is predetermined by God prior to you ever being born an alter call is a totally superfluous act."

I think Jesus would disagree with you>>>>

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If ANY MAN thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, ALL YE that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
---Linda on 10/16/07


Luk 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
Luk 14:22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
---Linda on 10/16/07


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Luk 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel (to twist the arm) them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luk 14:24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
---Linda on 10/16/07


The qualifications to come to Him were thirsty, laboring and heavy laden, poor, halt, maimed, blind (not just physically but spiritually). And those who were orignally "bidden" (invited, chosen) shall not taste of His supper. If He desires His house to be filled, He will in no wise cast out any who come to Him. The righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel. The invitation is there. The response is up to you.
---Linda on 10/16/07


Since Salvation is predetermined by God prior to you ever being born an alter call is a totally superfluous act.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/16/07


not a policy thing, Cynthia, I think, but what the LORD has you do, each time, Him knowing each heart and soul present > more Spirit-led is needed > I think an altar invite can be very good, if it means you a sinner are being invited to be publicly received as a member of our Family

but since salvation is a personal thing, it can be good to personally relate the individual to Jesus, then spread the word of this > different things can be good for different people
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/16/07


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Not necessarily. God is the one who knocks on the door of our hearts, not the Pastor. It is God alone calling us out. It is good to have an altar call, because there may be some that have never been in a church. Most churches allow anyone that wants to come to the altar, to come at anytime during the service... not just the ends of a worship service.
---Angela on 10/16/07


Absolutely. During service too. Whenever the Person of the Holy Spirit brings the words to your mouth.
---catherine on 10/16/07


A salvation invitation should be given in every service. No one knows for sure that there is not someone in that room who is not saved. I have known people who were in church for 50 years and never gave themselves to the Lord. In their hearts, they had been holding back all those years although most in church assumed they were saved.
---Susie on 10/16/07


In a small closed church where everyone is already saved not ususally but maybe occasionally a rededication. Medium to Huge churches, which i have a problem with,or if all present are not known to the pastor, I feel the better at least do that much. After all isn't that what it is all about? Saving souls for the Lord?
---jody on 10/16/07


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