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How often should we partake in Communion? Can we biblically take it at home since this is between the person & God?

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My question is by placing myself before God and receive Communion as the children of Israel did. As believers we can partakes of the Lord's Supper as long as we do so with full understanding of its significance. The Communion table is an emblem of Jesus' sacrifice for us.We take the emblem of blood that was shed for sin. The bread is an emblem of Jesus' body that was broken for us.The body and blood of Jesus covered every area of our existence!
---Roland_&Gloria on 2/3/08


Shaun::Thanks I appreciate your answer but apostacy is not my Ball of wax.Gods word in Matt16:17-19 is HIS word ,good enough for me. I am filled with His peace ,Love & share the same as He asks.We each have to choose & respond accordingly as Peter said "where am I to go Lord you hold the keys of eternal Life."
---Emcee on 11/22/07


Shaun, you're welcome. Funny thing, on the 19th I was reading the same scripture about the wheat and tares (same Spirit you know). Been contemplating how the young wheat and tares may look alike and also how tender they are...
---christina on 11/21/07


Emcee - Apology gratefully accepted. Once I was where you are and I pray one day you will be where I now am. Likewise, if my writings have been caustic or after the flesh at any time, then I likewise repent to my God and you. But, with this said, I will never repent of preaching Christ alone and in speaking out against Rome.
---ShaunT on 11/20/07


ShaunT::I am sorry if I sounded like a blast,No that was not my intent You use different verses to justify your point which is not pertinant .This I noticed in YR para 6.Far be it from me to even attempt to speak ill.I do get carried away at some of the falsties written here. I love My God & will defend Him through the doctrines of His church Nothing more nothing less.Regret if I caused hurt.
---Emcee on 11/20/07




It is between the person and God. Only requirement is, that their be no unforgiveness of sin. Right standing between you and God. [examine your heart].
---catherine on 11/20/07


It is rebirth that is lacking in the Roman Church. No salvation, no true faith. I can understand the speakers for the Catholic church, but the others, who pretend to be soldiers of Christ, or really in the wrong army. Speaking for works of righteousness, instead of the righteousness of Christ. Justification by works of the individual, the same believes of the Pharasees, workers of the law. Taking credit when even the faith to believe came from God.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07


#2. Faith brings light to God's word. We are saved by grace through faith, a gift of God. Without faith, a person cannot see the word of God. "Faith is the substance of things hope for, the evidence of things not seen" Before a person was born again he could not discern the word of God, now through faith, he has the ability to see things not seen before. It is God who saves, it is God who gives life, It is God who gives faith. Nothing can happen without first, God enabling the person.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07


#3. Everything good comes from above. Every action that man does that is good is attributed to God. All true believers have a change of heart because God changed it, He not only gave them faith, but are now endwelled by the Spirit. While many man lost do good actions, it is still because of God. Nothing is attributed to man in Scripture only his sinful nature. His rejection of Christ, and his love for sin. Without God we would all be heading for hell.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07


#1 Emcee. I'm not sure you really want an answer or just another reason to blast me but if per chance you do, and for the sake of the elect...

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also." (tb cont'd)
---ShaunT on 11/19/07




#2 cont'd "So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay, lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them." tb cont'd
---ShaunT on 11/19/07


#3 cont'd "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." (Mt 13:24-30)

p.s. thanks Christina and the Lord bless you too.
---ShaunT on 11/19/07


ShaunT::God has said that if the Branches who are grafted into the true Vine does Not bear Fruit they will be cut & thrown in the Fire.In other words Pruned are these the born again Branches you speak of in Para 6 of your long sermon?.Christs tree He Planted in Matt16:17-19 grows with abundant foliage.It does NOT consist of such withered branches alledgedly born again who were ripped off & are still looking for the sap of Life.
---Emcee on 11/19/07


Shaun, well said. Thank you for your words, may the Lord be glorified. Bess you.
---christina on 11/19/07


#12 So murmur against us as publicans and sinners eating w/ Jesus, anathematize us as heretics, light our flesh ablaze, raze our graves, yet you'll never extinguish the work of Jesus.

"But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Lk 5:30-32)
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#8 And as a new creature in Christ born again per the Father's will, they will in time produce fruit OF the Spirit.

Yet who gets the glory for the fruit, and who is the SOURCE for the fruit/works? God gets the glory for his children "...are HIS workmanship, CREATED IN Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:10) This is why the Bible calls the fruit, "fruit OF the Spirit" (Gal 5:22) vs the works of the flesh (5:19).
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


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#9 This is the doctrine of works/good fruit which give evidence that True Life exists within a believer through their second birth and receipt of a new nature, this being Christ Jesus in them. Producing good fruit now BECAUSE of their new nature where they can say: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet NOT I, BUT Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live BY THE FAITH OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#10 On the other hand, Rome and her children are like branches of a fruit tree in a vase of water. Beautiful for a season and maybe wonderful to smell but all of this belies the truth that they are cutoff from the vine, this being Jesus Christ for they have fallen from grace. Because in Rome, just as was true in Galatia, faith in Jesus Christ is NEVER enough. For Galatia it was circumcision and the Jewish ordinances to be right with God, in Rome it is NO different.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#4 One who through meticulous care produces a new tree from two distinct parts. One part, which we'll call the branch, is grafted onto the other part which we'll call the vine. The former being dead because it has been surgically removed from its prior source of life (the vine) from whence it came. No longer receiving the life-giving sap which is required for a branch to be alive and to produce fruit. And if the gardener cast this branch aside it would quickly wither and die because if has no life.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#5 But cast it aside the gardener does not but instead grafts it into its new source of life so that in time it produces fruit where an untrained eye would never know that such a graft took place as the twain have become one.

This is a picture of true salvation and not Rome's counterfeit. For in true salvation, God the Father as the husbandman takes dead branches with no life in themselves and hence no ability to produce ANY good fruit since they lack the life-giving sap (the Holy Spirit).
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


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#6 And it is these dead branches that the Father grafts into the Living Vine of Jesus Christ. And through this graft, the life-giving sap of the Holy Spirit begins to flow within these previously dead branches.

For in essence and actuality this branch, which once was dead, has now been born again. No longer part of the vine which it originally came from but a new creation per the husbandman's work. A branch that in time will produce fruit, good fruit as good trees always produce good fruit.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#7 This is salvation where God takes dead branches which were BY NATURE children of wrath and grafted into the world, breaks them off, and grafts them into Jesus Christ and the kingdom of God. All so that they now receive a totally NEW nature since the source of it (the vine), has radically changed. No longer receiving sap from the vine of world, but now from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit for if any man is in Christ he IS a new creature.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#1 - No Janet, it is you who believe what you have been taught per your traditions of men that make the word of God of none effect. For the saints of God believe the Word of God and hold to it w/ childlike faith.

Second, you are adding words as no one here denies works in the life of a true believer, the debate is over Rome's heresy that works are required for one to be "saved" (in Rome you are never really saved), to maintain "salvation", and to satisfy divine justice.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


#2 Your example falls short when considering divine justice because we are taking about an INFINITELY Perfect God who has been sinned against and not some finite, sinful man. And as such only the blood from God himself (i.e. his Son) could EVER satisfy divine justice. Anything else is like a destitute pauper jailed for crimes against the state trying to buy his way out of prison with pennies instead of humbly falling at the feet of the king and begging for mercy. Deny this, and you deny the gospel.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


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#3 To elucidate the foundational truth about works, let us consider a wild apple tree, which as it grows and matures, puts forth branches that in time bud with flowers and eventually produce fruit. But w/o the expert care of a master gardener the tree will produce worm-laden, diseased and inconsistent apples (like crab apples).

But if one knows anything about apple trees that produce good fruit, they know that these trees do not grow wild but are instead cultivated by an expert horticulturist.
---ShaunT on 11/16/07


8)


22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

So did he have to obey in order to ahve that imputed righteousness. Of course. Read the story. God's commandment was sacrifice
your son. He obeyed(believed God)
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


9)
If he hadn't obeyed his faith would of counted for nothing because not obeying shows one does not have true faith. This is why James said he was justified by His works. To not obey God and not sacrifice His son would show he did not believe. That is saving faith. Saving faith brings out obedience to Jesus' commands.


John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:....

If they were options/favours then Jesus would not have called them commands.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job 1:8
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


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1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

The rightousness of Christ is seen and not invisible. The works of the Spirit is from God and is the result of the imputed righteousness you defend.

Those who don't have the works of the SPirit in their life and instead have the works of the flesh need to come to Christ in true repentance.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


3)
Galations 5
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


4)
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

This is talking about that imputed righteous you defend. It's definately imputed but it also visible. So if we don't see righteousness in a person then they don't have that imputed righteousness.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


5)
1 John 3
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin.

6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


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If you do works, that means you have faith. I'm sure on the judgement day God will not say, "you fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick... therefore you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. In fact it will be just the opposite as scripture points out. I dont understand why Protestants have such a problem with good works, honoring Mary, Tradition, etc. I guess they believe what they were taught.
---janet on 11/16/07


6)
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

That is what God's imputed righteousness causes us to do. It has us stay clear of sin and follow Him in righteousness.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


7)
If we are still wicked(that is willfully choose to keep sins and not repent of them) then we had not been born again sinc the Bible says those who are born again do not commit sin(live a lifestyle of sin, they repent of their sins).

James 2
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


Mark 10:27: "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is
impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible."
Indeed! Look at Zacchaeus and the matter of Salvation in Luke 19.
He did not give all, neither was he asked to minister (follow).
---Nana on 11/16/07


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#1 Matthew - "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them." (Gal 3:10-12)
---ShaunT on 11/15/07


#2..."Christ hath redeemed [his elect] from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"(Gal 3:13)

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Rom 3:19-20)
---ShaunT on 11/15/07


#3 - Matthew - only one has kept the law perfectly in BOTH Spirit and letter and that is Jesus Christ. No one else has do so and even if they had it would be dung in God's eyes. For this is exactly what Saul said about his being "blameless" in law keeping. This is why the gospel was foolishness to the Jews and likewise is to all who want to be righteous by what they do instead of walking by faith in the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.
---shaun on 11/15/07


4)
Luke 1
5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

This is before Christ came. They were not hypocrites.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


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5)
They followed the law wonderfully. It is probably why they were deemed worthy to give Birth to John the Baptist. If Jesus came and they rejected Him their righteousness wouldn't count for anything, but if they had never been taught about Jesus they would of went to heaven for following the law correctly. Law keeping wasn't evil in the NT, but hypocritical law keeping was. I'm just trying to make that clear.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


Mark 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Shaun he definately did keep the commandments he just had his wealth as an idol. He had to give away His wealth to be able to finally worship and follow God/Christ.(Matthew 19:24) Remember, having wealth was the one thing he lacked.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


2)
We know there are those who were already right with God when Jesus came.

Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

These are people who obeyed the Law correctly. God was pleased with law keepers who were humble but condemned law keepers who were pride filled and hypocrites.

Don't forget that the Holy men of God in the OT were law keepers.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


3)
Nowadays following the law can be called "self righteousness" in many cases, but not when it was in effect. Also understand hypocrites are hypocrites, not law keepers. We know this because in Jesus' time there were law keepers who were not hypocrites.

Remember Zacharias and Elisabeth were law keepers.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


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#5 No, he was NOT good and did NOT keep the commandments from his youth. I'd dare say he probably broke every one of them.

But we can only study what we have recorded which reveals that he broke at least the:
a. 1st Money/possessions/prestige were his god which took 1st place in his life for he would not forsake these to follow Jesus
b. 2nd Money/possessions were an idol which he in his heart and per his life-style bowed down unto for he would not leave these base things to follow Jesus
---ShaunT on 11/14/07


#6
c. 10th He was covetous where he loved his possessions more than treasure in heaven.
d. The Shema - Love the Lord thy God with all they heart, soul, mind, and strength. Obviously he did not for if he had he would have left all to Love his God even as Jesus asked him to.

And so we now get to the truth that this man was lost and Jesus brought him to the mirror to see this truth.
---shaun on 11/14/07


#7 Taught in a very painful way so that the young man would strip off his robe of self-righteousness adorned w/ his "goodness" and commandment keeping and instead prostate himself before Jesus as a spiritually naked and bankrupt sinner w/ no more hope for God's mercy than a wicked publican.

Tragically, this he did not do because even though he had a lifetime of commandment keeping, "goodness" and service towards God this was nothing more than a religious facade.
---shaun on 11/14/07


#8 In closing I return to Paul, a man who was very similar to this young ruler yet was even more "righteous" for he even persecuted the church of God. Yet when Paul came to realize by God's grace that there was nothing good in himself such that even scrupulous law keeping would not save/keep him he says to these things "...But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ." (Phl 3:7)
---shaun on 11/14/07


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#9 All with the end goal where Paul would "...be found in him [Jesus], not having [his] own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith." (Phl 3:9)

How will you come to Jesus today, clothed with your good works and self-righteousness as the rich young ruler, or rather naked and destitute as the publican?
---shaun on 11/14/07


#1 If Jesus is teaching in the parable of the rich young ruler that one will be saved by keeping the commandments then salvation is by works and Jesus died in vain. Which, if you believe, then you can join arms with the JW's, Mormons and all other works-based pseudo-Christian cults and get busy to earn your way to heaven. This parable is actually teaching the exact opposite as it reveals that the rich young ruler was guilty of the same sin that the Pharisee was in Luke 18.
---ShaunT on 11/14/07


#2 The sin of believing one is justified w/ God by works. Listen to his own words which reveal how lost he was: "Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?" Ok Jesus, tell me what good thing I'm to do so that I'll receive the reward of eternal life. Next, Jesus points to the law. You can almost her the young ruler thinking, oh this is so easy, you mean JUST keep the commandments?, well listen here for "All these things have I kept from my youth up."
---ShaunT on 11/14/07


#3 - His prideful and terribly deceived attitude reminds me of a pre-Christ Saul of Tarsus who had a zeal of God but not according to knowledge where before Christ he was blameless in regards to PERFECT law keeping (Phl 3:6).

...To Paul we'll return, but now back to the parable where we find the rich young ruler thinking that he has kept the commandments. Unfortunately, he is terribly deceived. A deception cut asunder by the cutting words that next will flow forth from Jesus' mouth.
---ShaunT on 11/14/07


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#4 Words where Jesus says if you "... wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Mt 19:21)

The gig is up and Jesus w/ the two-edged sword of his word cuts through the self-righteousness of this rich (yet poor) man. For Jesus' words revealed the truth kept hidden by a life of good works, a life of cleaning the outside of the cup, a life of hearing the praises of men for his "goodness".
---ShaunT on 11/14/07


Hey Trey and Christina,
First Jesus says (Matt 19) "If you wish to enter life keep the Commandments." He is referring to overcoming the attachment to wealth when He says, "With God all things are possible."(Matt 26)
---janet on 11/14/07


Janet,interesting thing about the scripture you mentioned and the rich man, is what Jesus himself said following that "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
---Christina on 11/14/07


"This elevates Mary to God " is a statement made by the responder not in the Catechism It is a conclusion,and equavelant to adding to the word.which is irresponsible.
---Emcee on 11/13/07


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"This elevates Mary to God " is a statement made by the responder not in the Catechism It is a conclusion,and equavelant to adding to the word.which is irresponsible.
---Emcee on 11/13/07


Mark-#2. The sacrafice of Christ flesh in the Mass is blasphemy against Christ's Priestly Office, for it supposes that Christ Offering on the Cross was not perfect.


Passage Malachi 1:10-11:

" My name will be great among the nations, from the rising to the setting of the sun. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to my name, because my name will be great among the nations," says the LORD Almighty."
---Ruben on 11/13/07


Hey Janet,

Amen, man is not saved by a confession of faith. A spiritually dead sinner could make a million confessions of faith, and if God hasn't done a work, he would still go to hell.

Concerning the rich young ruler, please notice the following verses:
Matt 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Matt 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With MEN this is IMPOSSIBLE, but with GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
---trey on 11/13/07


Hey Janet, (continued)

All man righteousness is as filthy rags (Isa 64:6). Man cannot even choose God, without God drawing him (John 14:6 / John 6:65).

Man does have free will to sin, to some extent (Gen 20:6, Rom 1:28).

Man cannot resist the effectual call of an omnipotent God: (Dan 4:35, John 6:37, 39, 45).

Bless you,
---trey on 11/13/07


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Mark-The Catholics have Christ flesh each Sunday, and eat Him as a sacrafice, when Scripture is clear He is in the right hand of God.


Scriptures also says "Take and eat it: This is my Body" Matthew 26:28..." My Flesh is real Food and My Blood is real Drink." Jhn 6:53
---Ruben on 11/13/07


Mark- But since to them Scripture is not final authority, it really means nothing what Scripture has to say on the matter


Then would you please show me where it says scriptures is the final authorithy?
---Ruben on 11/13/07


Andrea-This elevates Mary to God
it likens speaking ill of Mary to blasphemy
of course if she's your co-redeemer that would be true



If you wnat to call Mary every name in the book, that is your choice..We choose to call her "Blessed"
---Ruben on 11/13/07


Mark-But even when it sounds useless because many have already hardened their hearts to the truth, there is many elect waiting to hear the truth so they too can come out and be set free. For we know it is not your words that save, but God who saves through His word, the truth.


Yes Mark it is God who saves us through his words, but my question to you is, Who gave you authorithy on scriptures and why is your interpretation of scriptures correct?
---Ruben on 11/13/07


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Mark-And verse 12 says, " For one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified" One offering, done once, forever. And here you have the Catholic church doing it every Sunday


Passage Hebrews 13:10:
"We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat." Read 1 Cor 11:27-32, for those who have no right to eat at the "Altar"
---Ruben on 11/13/07


#3 So through meticulous law keeping, tithing dill/cumin, fasting 2x/wk, alms, praying in the market, ALL was for naught because they worked to justify themselves. And in so doing they became ignorant of God's righteousness. This being the achiles heel of all religion save true Christianity, the latter focusing on what Paul calls the "...righteousness of God" given as a gift and received only through faith "...for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


#4 - That is, if one can become right (or maintain "rightness") w/ God through law, penance, plenary indulgences, Masses, candle lightings, pilgrimiges, lenten fastings, stations of the cross, alms to the poor or whatever else, then they have no need of Christ. Paul is so emphatic that he says if righteousness comes by what WE do (i.e. law/works) then Christ dying on the cross was in vain - a complete and total waste of time because you can do it on your own.
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


#5 Instead, a person is justified, made right with God, through faith in Jesus' righteousness given as a gift to the believer "...which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe."(Rom 3:22) Received by the believer who casts him/herself at the feet of Jesus and cries out much like blind Bartimaeus, "Jesus thou Son of David have mercy on me."(Mk 10:47)
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


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#6 Or, like the wretched and most despised publican who prayed directly to God for mercy (Lk 18:9-14). A man who had NO hope whatsoever for he was the lowest of the low and he knew it. Yet he took a step of faith and cried out to God, for what had he to lose? And bless God HE went down justified (right with God) whereby the meticulous Pharisee who did it all by the book went down a sinner just as he came up.
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


Mark-Acts 3:22 also mentions that Christ is in heaven.


Passage Revelation 5:6:

"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne," Now who would this be? Notice it says "Standing in the center", this verse pictures Christ as alive but like he is in the passion and in present time. Thus like the Catholic Church does with the Eucharist sacrifices daily.
---Ruben on 11/13/07


#7 And so let all cast off the self-righteousness of the Pharisee and put on the humility of the publican. Yea, lift not even your head unto heaven and beat your breast begging for God's mercy. For peradventure he will call for you like he did blind Bartimaeus and open your eyes, or hear your prayer as he did those of the publican and grant you the gift of justification.

Preaching the foolishness of Christ and him crucified.

(p.s Humble thanks for the encouragement from those who wrote)
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


Mark- In Hebrews 10:11, "And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrafices, which can never take away sin."


Passage Jeremiah 33:15-18:
" For this is what the LORD says: 'David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.' "
---Ruben on 11/13/07


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#1 - To the RC posters who are speaking to the necessity of works in the life of a disciple of Jesus Christ most assuredly you are correct, for as it was already quoted, "...faith without works is dead." The problem, well, actually there are many, but one is in the understanding of the nature of the works and what part they play in the life of a believer. First, the Scriptures are emphatically clear, as Holly, Mark and others have written in that works do NOT save a person.
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


#2 - Yet mankind has always believed differently, that is, that they are justified before God by what they do for him.

This being exactly what was true w/ the Pharisaical Jews whom Jesus, Paul and the early church had to contend w/. "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish THEIR OWN righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" (Rom 10:2)
---ShaunT on 11/13/07


Jas 2:24 "You see that man is justified by works and not by faith alone." Mark V., I am not denying the role of faith, but I am contesting Luther's doctrine of faith ALONE(sola fida). We have to believe, but we also have to put that faith into action as Abraham did.
---janet on 11/13/07


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