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Apostles Paul And Peter

In your opinion, how are the Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter different?

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Rob Peter to pay Paul?
Peter, understood the BoC wasn't spiritual Israel but Gods agency for the present "dispensation of grace" (Eph. 3).
Peter understood Paul was writing inspired scripture. (2 Pet 3:15,16)
Peter knew the difference between "circumcision gospel" given to him and "Uncircumcision gospel" given to Paul (Gal. 2).

The risen Christ gave Paul the revelation of the mystery (Gal 1, Eph. 3, Rom. 16 ). The risen Christ gave Paul his authority. 1 Cor 14:37

Paul, chief of sinners, least of saints, our pattern. (1 Tim 1:15, Eph 3:8 & 1 Tim 1:16).

To be part of Gods plan today, follow the pattern, Paul, apostle to Gentiles, in the dispensation of the grace of God.
---michael_e on 12/25/10


Kathr, again you string opinions as truths which are not in Scripture. You said,

" Those like Judas rejected Him, because He wasn't KING WORTHY."

Where in Scripture does it say that Judas rejected Christ because He wasn't king worth? There is no such passage. The motive that Juda's had was the amount of money he would get for betraying Jesus, thirty pieces of Gold. And he was moved by satan who entered his body
"Then satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve."
---Mark_V. on 12/25/10


The vision came to peter concerning the salvation of the GENTILES.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, PETER rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
---francis on 12/24/10


Peter, apostle of Israel will sit on one of 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes. According to the bible Israel was set aside as the agency through which God would reveal himself to man. The reason was spiritual blindness.

Israel set aside, God turned to the Gentiles. He raised up Paul. It was to Paul that the risen Lord revealed an unprophesied mystery program for the Gentiles called the "dispensation of the grace of God". To Paul was revealed that God's new agency would be called the "body of Christ." Salvation would not be according to the law of Moses but built upon faith in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. To Paul was given the doctrine, duty and destiny of the church the body of Christ.
---michael_e on 12/23/10


michael_e, as long as you stay ONLY in Matthew you will never pull yourself out of the pot hole you fell in.

AKA, to me, those scriptures say that faith is not given as a gift to certain people. IF Nineveh can repent, etc, who were never God's elect to begin with then Israel is without excuse. Therefore WE are responsible, not God, for our state of lostness.

The QUEEN heard of Solomon and came to him. Solomon did not go after her.
---kathr4453 on 12/23/10




kathr,
Luke 11:33 "No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light.

Luk 11:31 The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the men of this generation [Nation Israel] and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.

Luk 11:32 The men of Nineveh [Gentiles] will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

the total Truth rises above these generations, a new creature...whether Jew or Greek, man or woman, bond or free.
---aka on 12/22/10


This is a good question to ask "Why Paul?" If Paul taught the same thing as the 12, if he was in the same group as they, why bother? Why would God go through such trouble to raise up Paul if he was not doing something different?
Jesus clearly says He came only to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" and that His disciples were NOT to go to the Gentiles (Matt. 10:5,6). events related to Jesus were in fulfillment of prophecy, He never says one word about a new body, a new creation, or a new program. Jesus clearly says that He came in keeping with Israel's prophetic program.
---michael_e on 12/21/10


AKA, Luke: the sign of Jonah. Well, that would be pointing to Jesus death and resurrection,just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale, Jesus was in the belly of the earth 3 days.

Let's be clear here, these Jews along with PAUL as well, were looking for the KING, not the savior, lamb of God who would die and rise again.

So the difference between Peter and Paul is this, Peter(and all the apostles except JUDAS believed Jesus was the Messiah. Those like Judas rejected Him, because He wasn't KING WORTHY. They knew the KING would come and overthrow gentile..then Roman rule.

He had to die and rise again BEFORE that day WILL happen, at His second coming.

The Risen Christ knocked Paul on his head to get that through to him.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/10


I wonder what's the reason for this question.

Why are we asked to compare Peter to Paul and not others.

Peter had the Keys to the Kingdom, so he open up the doors (i.e.Cornelius was the door to the Gentiles). Then Paul entered that door and preached to the Gentiles.

---John on 12/20/10


kathr...michael_e

i love the dialogue between you...

Luk 11:29-32

1Ki 10:14...Rev 13:18
---aka on 12/20/10




When we rightly divide the word of truth we give to the body of Christ what belongs to the body of Christ and we give to the nation of Israel what belongs to the nation of Israel.

While all the Bible is FOR you. It is NOT all written TO you.

are the following two verses contradictions?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

1 Cor 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Acts 2:38 was TO the nation of Israel. Paul speaks to the Church of this present dispensation of the grace of God, the body of Christ!
---michael_e on 12/20/10


michael_e, another question. Do you believe THE Apostle Paul is going to sit in judgement of you?
---kathr4453 on 12/20/10


I do know for sure who my apostle is, the apostle the risen Christ commissioned to start the Church the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 12/19/10

Oh dear michael_e, PAUL did not START the church.

God used Paul to being Gentiles into the church.

The Church began at Pentecost as you can clearly see. Now HOW MANY JEWS were added daily to the CHURCH even before Paul begain his ministry.

Are there Two CHURCHES or ONE?

Which CHURCH did the Gentile Cornelius belong to? The Jewish Church....
---kathr4453 on 12/20/10


So what about the foot notes and the words added by scholars who fitted words they thought were correct at the time but distorted the real meaning of certain scriptures/ Or even the word which were omitted for the same reason of misunderstanding?
---Carla on 12/20/10


The Whole Bible From the first word in GENESIS to the last word in REVELATION is from the mouth of GOD.

2 PETER 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 TIMOTHY 3:16 ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, ---------

Bible even gives example how this was done - JEREMIAH 1:9 - 30:1-2 - 36:4

DEUTERONOMY 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee and will put my words in his mouth,and he shall speak all I command him.
---RICHARD on 12/19/10


//One Apostle for each tribe? What Apostle was assigned to what Tribe?
---kathr4453 on 12/19/10 //
ye (The 12) also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Ask God.
I do know for sure who my apostle is, the apostle the risen Christ commissioned to start the Church the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 12/19/10


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Peter and the 11 were commissioned to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom predominately to the nation of Israel, one apostle for each tribe

---michael_e on 12/18/10

michael_e you asked where you said that. Did you say this?

One Apostle for each tribe? What Apostle was assigned to what Tribe?
---kathr4453 on 12/19/10


//can you show us where each apostle was assigned to a tribe. Really? Were these tribes separated and scattered through out?//
Can you show me where I said they were assigned to a tribe??
Matt. 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye (The 12) also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
---michael_e on 12/18/10


Acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel ( talking to Jew only) know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Compare Scripture with Scripture. Look at the difference in the language. Acts 2 Peter accusing the Nation of Israel of killing their Messiah, and now, Paul tells us HERE in the Church Age.

Gal. 1:3,4a "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins,..."

Its as different as day from night with Peters message. Peters sermon doesnt fit Pauls doctrine, And it wasnt supposed to. God hadnt revealed Pauls message yet. Its still a secret kept in the mind of God.
---michael_e on 12/18/10


michael_e, can you show us where each apostle was assigned to a tribe. Really? Were these tribes separated and scattered through out?

Peter/James address their letters to all 12 tribes. I know James wasn't an apostle, however had access to all 12 of them.

There cannot be two Gospels being preached at the same time/dispensation michael_e, that is why the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached ONLY AFTER the Church is raptured.

Today or even after pentecost, if two entirely different Gospels were presented to us, we wouldn't know whether to wind our head or scrach our watch. God is not the author of confusion.

Jews TODAY who reject the Gospel of GRACE are going to HELL..period! To teach otherwise is anti-semitic!
---kathr4453 on 12/18/10


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Peter and the 11 were commissioned to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom predominately to the nation of Israel, one apostle for each tribe

Paul was commissioned to preach the gospel of the grace of God to the body of Christ, predominately gentile, one apostle, representing the oneness of the Body.
---michael_e on 12/18/10


Peter was a fisherman
Paul was a tentmaker
Peter would bring the fish home,
Paul would fry them with batter
---francis on 12/17/10

Mrs Pauls?....tooooo funny!

Peter was sent to the 12 tribes, James also wrote to the 12 tribes.

Paul was sent with the SAME GOSPEL to Gentiles.

That is the only difference. God also showed Peter, James etc, that Gentiles ( Cornelius) was infact included in this GREAT Salvation.

That is why we read that they gave Paul the right hand of fellowship and could ADD NOTHING also could take nothing away from Paul's ministry.
---kathr4453 on 12/18/10


only difference

Peter was given the commission to preach to the Jew by Christ

Paul was given the commission to preach to the Gentile

Peter was NEVER in Rome no matter how delusional the rcc believes themselves to be right no scripture supports this idea ...but then again rcc puts LITTLE emphasis on Gods Holy Word this Gentile church has ITS own writings apart from Gods Holy Word Rev 17
---Rhonda on 12/17/10


Confusion is caused by failure to recognize the difference in Paul's message and ministry from the 12. Most believers don't ask themselves: Why Paul?

Why after our Lord, in His so-called great commission, sent the 12 into "all the world" to preach "the gospel" to "every creature" (Mark 16:15) making disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19)
after this, He raised up Paul, the 12, led by the HS, agreed with Paul that he should go to the Gentiles while they kept their ministry to Israel (Gal. 2:7-9). Years after the "great commission" to the eleven (twelve in Acts 1),
Paul said: "FOR I SPEAK TO YOU GENTILES, INASMUCH AS I AM THE APOSTLE OF THE GENTILES,..." (Rom. 11:13).
---michael_e on 12/17/10


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//Paul would fry them with batter ---francis on 12/17/10

wasn't that Mrs. Paul's?
---aka on 12/17/10


It seems Saul wrote more letters, but we can never be sure of that.

Romans
1st Corinthians*
2nd Corinthians
3rd.Corinthians*
4th.Corinthians
5th.Corinthians**
*lost(Currenty we only have 2nd and 4th listed as 1st and 2nd)
**(MS added to our 2nd Corinthian(debated))

Galations
Laodiceans
Philippians
Colossians
1st Thessolonians
2nd Thessolonians
1st Timothy
2nd Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews???

PETER..
Just 2 known letters.
---John on 12/17/10


Peter had foot in mouth disease UNTIL he received the Holy Spirit in Acts Chapter 2. Paul was a murderer until the Lord struck him down on the road to Demascus, blinded him, and then restored him and Paul became alive unto Jesus. So did Peter but in a different way. Both had different ministries, but same message.
---Donna5535 on 12/17/10


Peter was a fisherman
Paul was a tentmaker
Peter would bring the fish home,
Paul would fry them with batter
---francis on 12/17/10


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//what we want to know and what we choose to ignore are usually one in the same.
---aka on 12/17/10 //
Amen aka
---michael_e on 12/17/10


//A distinction between (Peter)prophecy and (Paul) mystery. Joel knew, prophesied, and wrote about the coming of the Spirit. The HS knew what He was doing at Pentecost and He inspired Peter to say, "This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel."
Fulfilling prophecy //

what we want to know and what we choose to ignore are usually one in the same.
---aka on 12/17/10


They did have a good fight between them!

Not much to say about this blog. Wonder why the question was asked to begin with.

We may never know.
---John on 12/16/10


Acts 2:16 "THIS IS THAT WHICH WAS SPOKEN BY THE PROPHET JOEL."
compare to Eph. 3:2-5

A distinction between (Peter)prophecy and (Paul) mystery. Joel knew, prophesied, and wrote about the coming of the Spirit. The HS knew what He was doing at Pentecost and He inspired Peter to say, "This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel."
Fulfilling prophecy

Eph. 3 Very clear Joel knew nothing about the BoC. So he didn't prophesy or write about it.
Now: if Joel knew about, prophesied and wrote about Pentecost and he didn't know about, prophesy or write about the B0C, then the forming of the Body of Christ couldn't have been what was taking place on the day of Pentecost.
---michael_e on 12/16/10


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michael_e on 12/11

amen. sounds like what i read.
---aka on 12/12/10


"No one of them ever obtained any general recognition among Christians, still less, a place in the Canon of the New Testament. A few so-called Gospels are referred to by early writers, some obtained local recognition, others, written for a purpose, were pressed into notice by the advocates of the tendency they were written to support: but, as a rule, the books were soon rejected, and never obtained extensive circulation."-(ANF, vol. 8, p. 349).
You might as well quote from the Quran as that section, for both are unreliable.
---micha9344 on 12/12/10


\Paul had a hooked nose, potbelly, semi bald. Had his eyebrow straight across his head. He was very short.\\

Where did you get these tidbits?
---Cluny on 12/11/10


Cluny the description is in the Acts of Paul and Thecla by Onesiphorus. Written in 100-130AD. It is the earliest writing and is as follows: "A man small in size, bald-headed, Crooked-legged, Healthy, with eyebrows meeting, rather long-hooked nosed, full of grace. For sometimes he seemed like a man, and sometimes he had the countenance of an angel" (ANF, vol. 8, p. 487).
---John on 12/12/10


Peter was one of the 12 Apostles to the nation of Israel
Paul was the one Apostle to the church the body of Christ

Peter saw the Lord in His glory on earth.
Paul saw Him in His glory in heaven.
Peter saw Him in His kingdom glory.
Paul saw Him in the glory of His
grace at the Father's right hand.

The voice Peter heard had the acceptance of Christ in view (Matt. 17:5, "Hear ye Him").
The voice Paul heard had the rejection of Christ in view ("Why
persecutest thou Me?").

Peter's experience was his position as an apostle of the Messianic kingdom, the nation of Israel.
Paul's experience was his position as the apostle of the grace of God, to the boC.
---michael_e on 12/11/10


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Peter represented Israel one apostle for each tribe (Matt 29:28, Luke 22:29,30)

Paul represents the oneness of the Body of Christ Rom 12:5, I Cor 12:13, Eph 4)
Peter offering Kingdom at hand to Israel (Matt 10:7)
Paul proclaiming "Gospel of the Grace of God" to Jew and Gentile
Peters ministry based on covenants and prophecy (Isa 60:1-3, Acts 3:22-26)
Pauls ministry based on the Grace of God (Eph 1:7)

Peter sent to Jew first (Matt 10:5,6)
Paul sent to Jew and Gentile on same footing with God Rom 3:22,23, 10:12,13)
Peter commissioned to baptize and signs as evidence of salvation (Mark 16:15-18)
Paul not commissioned to baptize (1 Cor. 1:17)

---michael_e on 12/11/10


Cynthia, while both had different lives predestined by God, what's important is they preached the same Gospel of Jesus Christ. Both are sinners saved by Grace like all Christians. Don't go where it's not important but concentrate of their Gospel.

1stCliff - "Jesus appointed Peter, Paul appointed himself! IMO." And where did you get this from? Read Acts 9 and you will realize God appointed Paul to be the teacher of the Gentiles.
---christan on 12/11/10


\\Paul had a hooked nose, potbelly, semi bald. Had his eyebrow straight across his head. He was very short.\\

Where did you get these tidbits?

BTW--St. Peter was crucified UPSIDE DOWN at his request, because he didn't feel worthy to suffer in the way Jesus did.

This is why the inverted cross is associated with St. Peter. It is NOT a demonic emblem.
---Cluny on 12/11/10


Paul, being a Roman was Beheaded
Peter, Being a Judean was Crucified.

Paul had a hooked nose, potbelly, semi bald. Had his eyebrow straight across his head. He was very short.

Not sure what Peter looked like.
---JOhn on 12/10/10


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Paul is more assertive than peter. he acts on his beliefs and is not swayed by culture.

Peter is a better fisherman
---francis on 12/10/10


Peter looked forward to dealing with Gentiles through Israel's regeneration and glory. (Matt. 28:16 20, Luke 24:44 49, Acts 1:1 8, 3:25 26)

Paul was commissioned by God and sent to us Gentiles in connection with Israel's stumbling and fall, and God's blinding of the nation. (Romans 11:1 25)
---michael_e on 12/8/10


Okay guys...

If Peter was the Apostle to the Jews only, then please explain Cornelius and the vision of the sheet.

If Saul was the Apostle to the gentiles only, then please explain the numerous Synagogues he preached in first in each city.
---John on 12/7/10


Peter's apostleship was to Israel alone,then to Israel first, God's program at that time was with Israel.
(Matt. 10:5, Acts 3:25 26)

Pauls commission was "the apostle of the Gentiles" sent to the nations, because the program of God now is the "dispensation of the grace of God" for Gentiles.(Rom. 11:13,Eph. 3:1)
---michael_e on 12/6/10


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Trey, you got it right about Peter being an Apostle to the Jews, and Paul being the Apostle to the Gentiles.

Most people do not know this because they never take the needed time to study.
---Rob on 11/5/07


Trey, *47 of the greatest scholars*? Nah, they were hand picked,each one influenced to some degree by their "denomination". Why did they translate one word "sheol" 31 times hell and 31 times grave? where's the consistency? (that's just one example) Simple consensus! God waited more than 5,000 yrs. to translate it for His people?
---1st_cliff on 10/30/07


Trey, *47 of the greatest scholars*? Nah, they were hand picked,each one influenced to some degree by their "denomination". Why did they translate one word "sheol" 31 times hell and 31 times grave? where's the consistency? (that's just one example) Simple consensus! God waited more than 5,000 yrs. to translate it for His people?
---1st_cliff on 10/30/07


Hey Jack,

Isn't it funny how 1st Cliff wants to throw out Paul's writing and Luke's writings. I'm not sure who else he discounts. I didn't realize that he was more of an authority on the scriptures than 47 of the world's greatest theologians that ever lived (the original translators of the KJV).

It is my humble opinion, Jack, that God, through his providential hand, brought these men together to preserve His word and translate it for His people.

Lord bless you friend,
---trey on 10/29/07


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Jack, What you call "truth" is simply your opinion!
---1st_cliff on 10/26/07


Trey, Those who were with Paul heard a voice but did not hear what was said. Constantine saw a burning cross in the sky and the words In Hoc Vinces, but it turns out that actually he was the only one who saw it! Similar situation here, and scripture says at the mouth of 2 or more witnesses will a fact be esablished!
---1st_cliff on 10/25/07


1st cliff,

God/Christ called both Paul and Peter to be apostles. (Acts 9:5, Matt 4:19)
---trey on 10/23/07


Greetings Cynthia, hope you're good!

Peter was appointed to be the Apostle to the Jews, and Paul to the Gentiles.
(Rom 11:13, 1 Tim 2:7, 2 Tim 1:11, Gal. 2:8).

Peter was an uneducated fisherman (Acts 4:13).
Paul was highly educated (Acts 22:3).

Peter spent 3 years walking with Christ.
Paul had it all revealed unto him on the Road to Damascus.

Peter was very emotional and spontaneous. Paul was rational and logical.

Both were remarkable men.

Bless you,
---trey on 10/23/07


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In my opinion, TRUTH is what matters when discussing Biblical characters, not personal opinion.
---Jack on 10/23/07


Jesus appointed Peter,Paul appointed himself! IMO.
---1st_cliff on 10/22/07


Paul had been a high-class Pharisee, Peter a fisherman, but both had egos for being greater than others...at first. Peter could be a little more concerned about what others thought of him...Galatians 2:11-13. Paul, in changing from status conscious Phariseeism, got over this sort of thing. But I'd say Paul's letter to Philemon and Peter's epistles are works of men who have matured to be humble in how they relate in God's love.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/21/07


Paul was a very learned intelligent man who received the revelation of Jesus Christ and went to the Gentiles. Peter was an unlearned man who received the revelation of Jesus Christ and went to the learned. Peter tended to waver some in the dynamics of the gospel where Paul never did. Both were preaching machines.
---Linda on 10/21/07


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