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Can Satan Imitate God

Satan is described as an angel of light(2 Cor. 11:14-15). what are some of the ways that satan imitates God?

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Christan, thank you for your answers to Craig. He has to do better then accusing us just because his theology and opinions of God are so corrupt. It is normal of a few of them to do that.
Here they get angry arguing aganist the Almighty God insisting that because of their own free will they are going to heaven. They don't want God to do that decision. They want to be in control of their own destiney and this is after they have been saved by the Grace of God. And when they cannot show one passage that states that man who is a slave to sin actually has free will, and insist that faith comes from within them and not from God, when Scripture tells us it comes from Him, what else can they do but begin to throw accusations.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/11


Christan: Foreknowledge means knowing ahead of time it does not mean predestination. God foreknows who will have faith and who will not.

Christ made a clear statement that he will draw all men to him.

John 12 NIV
32 And I, when I am lifted up[a] from the earth, will draw all people to myself. 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

Hebrews 11 NIV
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
---poopsey on 7/1/11


Christan: As for Cornelius? He was presented with the Gospel because he was God fearing.

Psalm 25 NIV
14 The LORD confides in those who fear him,
he makes his covenant known to them.

Cornelius was God fearing and that was why the Gospel(covenant) was presented to him.

Acts 10 NIV
34 Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

Acts 11 NIV
13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.
---poopsey on 7/1/11


Mark_V.: "...[Steveng] have complained and insult me by rebuking me for advising you not to trash the church of Christ, which you still deny,.."

Again you have twisted my posts. When will you ever learn. You should be ashamed of yourself for doing such things.

I have never "trashed" the true church of Christ. I have trashed only denominational churches. There are over 33,000 christian denominational churches in the world which are cults in and of themselves each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. There isn't any unity among them. They bicker among themsleves and within themselves that they are the true church of God.
---Steveng on 6/30/11


christan: "steveng, anyone can be a Christian? Really? How?"

I surely hope you are joking. God doesn't want to send anyone to hell. He would prefer everyone become a christian. But because of man's nature, most don't.Even most christians today have the knowledge of God, but deny his power. There are only a few christians that have a personal relationship with God. Just by the fact you have to ask this shows that you, too, have the knowledge of God, but deny his power.

I think you and a few other people on these blogs should take a six month sabbatical and read the bible from beginning to end through the eyes of a child. Then you will understand.
---Steveng on 6/30/11




CraigA, "double predestination?", what theology is this of yours? I believe in predestination and that is what Paul teaches, either you are predestined to be a vessel of honor or dishonor, period.

As for your vain use of Revelation 3:20 to justify "freewill", it does not hold water. Why? Because Christ declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37

Therefore Christ will only knock on the doors of those whom the Father has given to Him, and only they will open the door. In short, if you're not chosen before the foundation of the world, Christ never died for you and will never knock on your door.
---christan on 6/30/11


"And Mark, its time to stop hiding behind other names. "Precious freewill" just exposed you as Christan as well. So thats Daniel and now Christan. How many other names do you have?" CraigA

CraigA, you have to do better than this when you trip and fall all over your theology, in other words, your doctrines are contradicted by the Word. I assure you that the three names you mentioned are different people. I know that and I'm sure Daniel and Mark too. And oh, God knows who we all are. Afterall He created us.

Do you yourself practice what you accuse others of? Hmmm.... only God knows.
---christan on 6/30/11


--Where's your precious "freewill" in what Christ declared?
---christan on 6/30/11

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

And Mark, its time to stop hiding behind other names. "Precious freewill" just exposed you as Christan as well. So thats Daniel and now Christan. How many other names do you have?
---CraigA on 6/30/11


--Are you then predestined for salvation or damnation?
---christan on 6/30/11


And now we have you admitting that you DO indeed believe in double predestination as you have previously denied on "Mark_V"
---CraigA on 6/30/11


poopsey, all your questions and bantering about what God can do and cannot is answered by Paul:

"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" Romans 9:19,20
---christan on 6/30/11




poopsey, finally, God's foreknowledge is according to His predestination (which He wrote and purposed), which means David, Cornelieus and Saul are vessels of honor (just like Jacob), meaning God loved them from the foundations of the world. And that's what Romans 9 teaches, thus fulfilling the redemption process that Paul declared in Romans 8:29,30

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

Are you then predestined for salvation or damnation?
---christan on 6/30/11


"Fortunately for us all, the judgement of God wont be according to whether or not we believed in election, but whether or not we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ." CraigA

Really, is it all that simple as that? Just believe in the Lord Jesus Christ by your "freewill" is all you have to do? Is that how you preach and witness? Is this really complete and according to the Scripture? Well, try wrapping your head around what Christ Himself declared:

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44

Where's your precious "freewill" in what Christ declared?
---christan on 6/30/11


Mark_V: Why are you misusing scripture to support your bad theology? That verse in Thessalonians is referring to people who are unbelievers and you are taking it out of context.

Faith precedes regeneration. Without faith it is impossible to please God and the faith comes from you. If you claim it is forced on you then you are implying that God gives you faith against your will to please himself. That does not make any sense whatsoever.

It is the Devil who doesn't want people to be saved. God wants all men to repent and be saved but most will reject Christ because they love their sin and have hardened hearts.

Scripture clearly shows the order of salvation and faith comes before regeneration.
---poopsey on 6/30/11


Steven, when someone tells me that my presentation of God sucks, without giving me Scripture to proof that, to me it tells me all she wants to do is complain and insult. She is not interested in the Truth, which is Christ but to puff herself up by insulting. The problem is not my presentation of God, but a hate for me teaching it. And since I cannot make her love me, I will leave her to her own words. I spend the time answering you because though you have complained and insult me by rebuking me for advising you not to trash the church of Christ, which you still deny, you still present many post that are useful to many.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/11


Poosey, You say it's easy, repent and believe,
but Faith is not the cause of the New Birth, but the consequence of it. Faith is not a product of the human heart, if it was then it would have never been written,
"All men have not faith" 2 Thess. 3:2.
Faith is the fruit of the spiritual nature, and because the unregenerate are spirituall dead-"dead in trespasses and sins" then it follows that faith from them is impossible, for dead man cannot believe anything spiritual, "so then they that are in the flesh cannot please God" Rom. 8:8. But they could if it were possible for the flesh to believe. Compare with, Heb. 11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please Him"
---Mark_V. on 6/30/11


Christan and Mark_V: You both are being illogical and unreasonable. Did you know that we are supposed to be New Testament Christians as in the New Covenant that replaced the Old Covenant? Calvinism like a lot of other false theologies seems to focus on the Old Testament.

Calvinism is supported by select verses just like any other false theology. And Calvin got his ideas from Augustinian heresies. Calvinism is nothing more than Gnostic fatalism dressed up in Christian garb.

Confusing God choosing the nation of Israel is not the same as individual salvation. Repentance was granted to the Gentiles under the New Covenant. They only have to repent and believe and have faith in Christ to be saved.
---poopsey on 6/30/11


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Christan: Do you understand what foreknowledge is? God looked at David's heart. Cornelius was God fearing and was presented with the gospel because of this. Saul was chosen as an example that God can save the worst of sinners.

What kind of God would create some to be with him in eternity and some to be in eternal torment in hell? Where is the personal accountability in that? Where is the love and mercy in that? Where is the justice in that? God does not arbitrarily damn anyone. All are born under condemnation since all are sinners. It is those who cry out to God for mercy and have faith in Christ's blood for their redemption who are saved from the penalty that is due all men since Adam.
---poopsey on 6/30/11


Fortunately for us all, the judgement of God wont be according to whether or not we believed in election, but whether or not we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

If you teach otherwise then you are a heretic and a cult member. Its just that simple.
---CraigA on 6/29/11


steveng, anyone can be a Christian? Really? How? Did Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, Israel chose to be the people of God? Did Paul (aka Saul) chose to be a Christian? According to the Scripture, the answer to the above question is a big fat NO!

Mock the sovereign election of God before the foundations of the world and it is a testimony of your unbelief. Jesus declared: "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:37

I do not judge you but the Word of God will judge us all.
---christan on 6/29/11


christan: "And unless you are chosen by God and given His Spirit through regeneration, you'll be lurking in the dark."

Anyone can become a christian, but there are the chosen ones that become ministers of God.
---Steveng on 6/29/11


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Mark_V.: "Jesheradan, you do not deserve anymore answers from me."

Like most of your posts that response is very unchristian, indeed. Christians are to be patient in their preaching and teaching. Many questions have been asked in the past and the people on these blogs get irritated because the question has been asked before. What they don't realize is that the same questions may be asked by different newly born christians asking legitimate question to learn or old timers who didn't understand the last time the question was asked. Or because there were too many different responses. Maybe someday, Mark V., a light will go on in your head and say, "Hey, that person was right."
---Steveng on 6/29/11


//Jesheradan, you do not deserve anymore answers from me. Nothing seems to fill your need. You can redicule me all you want. Join the other four. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/11
//

Is this what you do when people show you that your doctrine is unbiblical? A true sign of Christian maturity.

Stay deceived if its your desire. Noone will MAKE you see the truth, not even God.
---jAsheradan on 6/29/11


poopsey, Scripture (which is from God) declares:

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:21

"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

God does not need anyone, especially His creatures to defend Him but rather speak the Truth that's from His given Word. Every Word! It is God who declared that the wicked and evil were created by Him. You have a problem with that? I don't. That's the God I worship.
---christan on 6/29/11


Poosey, it is not Calvin you are against, it is God's Word.
Just listen to God speaking about Israel,
"The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples, but because the Lord loves you,.." Deut. 7:7,8. They were the objects of His love.
Now in the Day of Judgment the Lord will say unto man, "I never knew you" Note, it is more than simply "I know you not" He did not know them-He "never" knew them, as the objects of His love, if they had God would never had said, "I never knew you"
---Mark_V. on 6/29/11


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Christan: You have a distorted view of God and your arrogance is showing. I don't need to get anything straight from you since I can read the Bible on my own and Calvinism is not supported by the whole of scriptures nor is it supported if you understand correctly the true nature of God.

Above all God is a God of love and mercy and until you really get a grip on that you will falsely believe that Calvinism is the correct theology.
---poopsey on 6/29/11


To those who oppose. God does not purpose to take innocent creatures and make them wicked and then dam them. Scripture says, "God hath made man upright, but they have sought out many inventions" (Eccl. 7:29). God has not created sinful creatures in order to destroy them, for God cannot be charged with the sin of man. The actions and responsibility is man's. God decree contempated Adam's race as fallen, sinful, corrupt and guilty and from this He purpose to save some and the rest leave them to their sins. No one can complain.
They have no desire for God or holiness, they love darkness rather than the light, where then is the injustice if God, "gives them up to their own hearts lust" Psa 81:12.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/11


//Jesheradan, just to correct you again, I never said that God loved the rich more then the poor. What I said was, that God does not show His love equally to everyone." I undrstand what both of you are saying. I'd like to add, God does show His love equally in the Cross/resurrection. In life, it may appear unequal, but I believe since God shows no favoritism,and we do not understand all His ways, and all His ways are loving as well as perfect, it is our finite vision that makes it appear unequal. He sent His own Son to be born, and laid in a manger. Would that be the worlds wise way for a father to choose to have his son born?
---Christina on 6/29/11


poopsey, let's get one thing straight, what God wants His people (the Christians) to know, it's all already revealed in the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation. And unless you are chosen by God and given His Spirit through regeneration, you'll be lurking in the dark. That's what Paul is saying in Romans 9.

Simply Romans 9 declares that there are only two vessels of mankind that God has created, a vessel of honor and dishonor. Those who are the vessel of honor, God loved before the foundations of the world and vice versa the dishonor He hated before the foundations of the world. All these were unconditional because He does as He pleases.
---christan on 6/29/11


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Steven, first, this is God's plan, not man's.
Second, God's knowledge does not arise from things because they are or will be, but because He has ordained them to be. That is why Jesus Christ was forordained as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world, before man was created. God put the curse on man Himself, knowing man would fail through His Omniscience.
Third, the word of God tells us,
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
"He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" ( Eph. 1:11).
"My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure" (Isa. 46:10).
---Mark_V. on 6/29/11


Jesheradan, you do not deserve anymore answers from me. Nothing seems to fill your need. You can redicule me all you want. Join the other four. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/11


//Jesheradan, just to correct you again, I never said that God loved the rich more then the poor. What I said was, that God does not show His love equally to everyone. If He had, no one would be rich and no one would be poor. They would be equal.
//Murk_V

Rich and poor are not equal? Sheesh and here I was thinking a man riches meant nothing to God.

Murk, since when is God's love for a person measured by the wealth that person has acquired?
---jAsheradan on 6/28/11


Mark_V.: "When God wants something He always gets. He is not stopped by no one or anything."

God does not want anyone to got to hell, but because man is what he is many people will go to hell because of their choice to reject God.
---Steveng on 6/28/11


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Mark, I couldn't fit the rest. yes, being away was beneficial in many ways, although there's been many difficulties. God had been, and is, good, and faithful, and teaches much. There's much more then I could fit in a few blog responses, but what really matters is HIM! It's a blessing to be here, so many here bless me with their insights, encouragement and especially the Word, and they are way beyond my level of comprehension, I only hope I can be used to bless others also. Peace and blessings to you also
---christina on 6/28/11


Jesheradan, just to correct you again, I never said that God loved the rich more then the poor. What I said was, that God does not show His love equally to everyone. If He had, no one would be rich and no one would be poor. They would be equal.
Most rich people are rich because they got rich stealing from others. So no, God does not love them more. Nor does He love the poor any less. They are just not equal. They are equal in that the rain rains on both, disastor happens to both, and both die a physical death. But some are children of God and others are children of wrath. In the end, the wicked will be treated different then those who placed their faith in the Works of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/11


Steven, I will not accuse you of been a worldly Christian as you have me but I will say that you do not know the God of Scripture. God made a covenant of works with Israel knowing full well they would fail. If God wanted the whole world to have the gospel, He would have made it possible for every nation to have it. When God wants something He always gets. He is not stopped by no one or anything. He is after all God. To even suggest,
" All of the OT reveals that God wanted the whole world, all of his creation, to know about him."
and that He didn't accomplish what He wanted because man defeated His purpose is plain dumb. That is not the God of Scripture. He gave commands for obedience knowing they would not obey.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/11


//Lets stop pretending that God shows His love for everyone the same, because it is not true at all. People are born in poverty while others are born rich.//Mark_V

I always thought the way the world knows Gods loves it was from the sacrifice that Christ made for all of us.

Do you honestly think God loves a rich person more than a poor person? What a snobbish position to take.
---Jasheradan on 6/27/11


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Mark V., you are missing the point of the entire chapter. You, like most worldly christians, are looking at the trees instead of the forest. You are analyzing verses when you should be reading the complete content. I was revealing to you just one chapter to show you how God wanted the whole world to know him and he chose the Israelites to spread the word. All of the OT reveals that God wanted the whole world, all of his creation, to know about him. And, as any sstute christian knows, they failed in their purpose as a whole. there were a couple of prophets who did venture outside of Israel.
---Steveng on 6/27/11


Poosey, good passages. My Bible says,
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and "has determined" their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings"
Here we find out that God sovereignly controls the rise and fall of nations and empires ( Dan.2:36-45, Luke 21:24). "the boundaries of their dwellings" Here God is responsible for establishing nations as to their racial identity and their specific geographical locations (Deut. 10:12-15) just as He did with the raising up of Pharaoh. Men have no excuse for not knowing about God because He has revealed Himself in man's conscience and in the physical world (Rom. 1:19,20, 2:15).
---Mark_V. on 6/27/11


Romans 5 NIV
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Acts 17 NIV
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth, and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
---poopsey on 6/27/11


Poosey, you are avoiding the power of God. God allowed Pharaoh to be raised that way with a hardened heart for one reason only. What Pharaoh meant for evil, God meant it for good.
Lets stop pretending that God shows His love for everyone the same, because it is not true at all. People are born in poverty while others are born rich. Some are crippled and others are not. Did you not read what God said?,
" "So the Lord said to him, "who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the Lord?" Ex. 4:10,11
Moses assumed that God didn't know he was slow of speech, as if it was something new that God did not know. But it was God that created him that way.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/11


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Mark_V: I agree with some of what you are saying but not all. Pharaoh hardened his own heart because he never feared God and God hardened it further. God works with what is already there. God can use evil people to execute judgment or display his power but that does not mean that everyone is a puppet.

It is those that do not fear God that are against him and God being God can use them for whatever purpose he wishes.
---poopsey on 6/26/11


Steven G, lets look at the passages. ( Deut. 7:6-8). "The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other peoples, but because the Lord loves you.." This shows He did not love the others the same.
Ex. 19:5, "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant" They didn't keep His covenant or did they obey Him.
1 Chron. 16:7-28 David tells the people what they should do. It does not say they actually did what they were told. He tells them what God has done for them, He tells them to declare His glory among nations, but never was the gospel mentioned or that they did what they were told, because we know they rejected the gospel.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/11


Poosey, you avoided the real reason why Pharaoh was raised up. When God speaks it is always truth. When man speak, it might not be truth.
God said:
"But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth"
Pharaoh reached the level of Pharaoh because of God. God explicitly tells us. Pharaoh was at the right time, at the right level, and with his own harden heart at the place God wanted him to be. God didn't have to harden his heart, but hardened it even more so that God could accomplish what He had ordained.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/11


Mark_V: The key here is the fear of God. Pharaoh did not fear God and hardened his own heart because of this. God used what was already there and hardened his heart further.

Exodus 1 NIV
17 The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do, they let the boys live.

Exodus 9 NIV
20 Those officials of Pharaoh who feared the word of the LORD hurried to bring their slaves and their livestock inside.

1 Samuel 6 NIV
6 Why do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh did? When Israels god dealt harshly with them, did they not send the Israelites out so they could go on their way?
---poopsey on 6/26/11


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Mark_V.: "Steven G, the nation of Israel rejected the gospel, how could they possibly take it to other nations so that they could believe?"

The entire OT shows that the words of God was to be preached throughout the world to all peoples.

Deut 7:6-8
Exodus 19:5
1 Chr 16 (read this chapter especailly verse 24)
Jonah 1:2
---Steveng on 6/25/11


Steven G, the nation of Israel rejected the gospel, how could they possibly take it to other nations so that they could believe? They were corrupt as the other nations. The only reason they got many chances is because God permitted it. As God, He could save the whole world with one Word. He could have if He so wanted, not given the curse after the fall. But didn't. God could have used another person other then Adam who would not fail, but didn't knowing full well he would fail. He was under no obligation to do anything we conceive in our minds. He didn't have to give His Son to die for us, but did. He does not love the wicked as He loves His children, yet gets no joy seen the wicked in hell. Yet He could save all if He so wanted, but doesn't.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/11


Poopsey, Moses answers God, "Oh Lord,..You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and slow of tongue" And what does God say to him? "So the Lord said to him, "who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the Lord?" Ex. 4:10,11. the Word shows that God's love is not the same for everyone.
Concerning Pharaoh, Ex. 9:15, God tells Mose to tell Pharaoh, "Now if I had stretched out My hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, then you would have been cut off from the earth. But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth"
---Mark_V. on 6/25/11


Christan: Romans 9 is talking about nations. It talks about Israel's unbelief yet some Jews converted and all the early Christians were Jewish.

Genesis 25 NIV
23 The LORD said to her,

Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you will be separated,
one people will be stronger than the other,
and the older will serve the younger.

The beginning of knowledge is fear of God and those evil people did not fear God. Why? Because they hardened their hearts.

Psalm 25 NIV
14 The LORD confides in those who fear him,
he makes his covenant known to them.

Exodus 9 NIV
30 But I know that you and your officials still do not fear the LORD God.
---poopsey on 6/25/11


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Mark_V: Pharaoh was given numerous warnings and the killing of the firstborn was not the first judgment.

Exodus 3 NIV
19 But I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him.

Galatians 3 NIV
8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: All nations will be blessed through you.

Genesis 18 NIV
18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.

Romans 1 NIV
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
---poopsey on 6/25/11


Mark_V.: "And how about God only allowing the gospel to go only to Israel nation, and excluded every other nation?"

God's chosen people, the Israelites, were to bring God's word throughout the entire world. But they were selfish and thought it was only for themselves. The entire OT give testament to that.
---Steveng on 6/24/11


Satan impersonates God right behind many pulpits every time there is a church service and the rightly divided word of truth is not preached.
---Frank on 6/24/11


Poosey, God loves everyone differently. The same love He shows to some, He does not show to others. Scripture history tells us that. God is Omnipotent and can do what He so desires to accomplish His purpose. The thousands of Canaanites, women and children who died by permission of God. They didn't have to, God could have changed their hearts but didn't. How about when the Lord stuck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, even the livestock. "For there was not a house where there was not one dead" Ex. 12:29-30. And how about God only allowing the gospel to go only to Israel nation, and excluded every other nation? The Gentiles didn't receive the gospel until the time of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/11


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"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:21

Let's just forget about the Calvinistic theology, the verses quoted are from Scripture, in other words, it's the Word of God. So are they "nonsense" from God that He declares that Jacob He loves and Esau He hates? What sends a soul to hell is the sin of unbelief in God's Word even after He clearly declares it in His Word.

Go tell Esau and Pharaoh that God actually loved them and wanted to save him but He couldn't.
---christan on 6/24/11


This Calvinistic nonsense about God not loving everyone? God created man did he not? So he doesn't love his own creation? God was sorry he made man as in the deluge but that did not mean he didn't love man.

God loved the world and because of his love sacrificed his son on the cross to redeem mankind through Christ.

God wants relationship but that cannot be forced. Just like if someone loves you but you don't love them back.

Scripture clearly states that God wants all men to be saved and not just a choice few. However, most reject Christ because they love their sin and harden their hearts against the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
---poopsey on 6/24/11


Christan,

So god doesn't love everybody...That does explain a lot.

But I bet he loves you and I bet you can never be deceived.
---atheist on 6/23/11


Satan's mission is to deceive the world of the Truth by telling lies as he did at the garden with our forefather Adam and Eve. And this he will continue to do until Christ returns and he and his unholy angels together with the reprobates will be cast into the lake of fire.

One such lie of Satan is when he tells you that God loves everyone when Scripture clearly declares that God does not. When he tells you that you can save yourself when Christ declared "it's impossible". Remember, a Christian can never be deceive, and that's because the Spirit of God is with him. Satan cannot lie to the Spirit of God because the Spirit is Truth.
---christan on 6/23/11


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But his George Bush is much better. Or is it the other way around?
---atheist on 6/23/11


It is not wise to call speaking in tongues of the devil.
The Lord said that he that speaks against the Holy Ghost never has forgiveness. Since scripture was the recording of holy men of God who spake as the Holy Ghost gave utterance speaking against scripture is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
When that scripture reveals speaking in tongues it is better to answer nothing than damn one's self in pride.
The devil does imitate the Lord and his word but some things are scripturally sound and not to be spoken against.
---Del on 6/23/11


god is light with no darkness and has no physical form, so could lucifer ever replicate him as that since he is no longer an angle but a demon. i read about near death experiances and a lot of people describe a bright but not blinding light, and the people come back more spiritual but really dont follow a religion could lucifer imitate god in that way
---wil on 6/21/11


God has One salvation plan.

The devil 2nd.Cor,11 v's 14 - 15, another imitation he has & that IS, he has salvation plans.
---Lawrence on 8/7/10


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Satan is described as an angel of light(2 Cor. 11:14-15). what are some of the ways that satan imitates God?

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS:

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was ..and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

ALL ATTEMPTS TO CHANEG ANY LAWS OF GOD IS SATAN POSING AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT
---francis on 7/28/10


Yet to come is the anti - christ, he will be the Heavenly God imitater.

God came in the flesh.

The devil will be in flesh as the anti - christ.
---Lawrence on 7/26/10


"Satan can easily imitate the glory of the Risen Jesus, as he was originally an angel of light.

But he CANNOT imiate the wounds that defeated him, as those are marks of humility and obedience, and he is a proud spirit who will be neither humble nor obedient."
---Jack on 10/25/07

Amen. Meditate deeply upon this statement, It is crucial to truly understand just what is being said. This imitation will be his crowning deception.
---joseph on 11/3/07


In searching for a prophet, never forget that the office of a prophet is a leadership position in a church.
There are not prophets among the laity.
You might have the gift of prophecy if you are in the laity, but even then, it will as the Bible says it should be.
---Bob on 10/29/07


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I'm wondering why all the anger comes when others do not validate your 'title' as authentic? Is the title more important to your pride than allowing your 'gift' to be subject to testing or other prophets in the church?
---Bob on 10/29/07


Katherine, that's not the heart of a prophet, and oh by the way, Oneness is false doctrine.
Also, Katherine, why would you need to come across as less than knowledgeable of the Word under the guise of catherine?
---Bob on 10/29/07


Speaking of the devil, I would like to add something that I learned over the week-end. Because of his more, corrupt, sinful, mind, he is a person by the way, He still believes that he can defeat God. And secondly, The reason he is so mean to Christians is because he got kicked out of heaven.>>>[the accuser of the breathren]
---catherine on 10/29/07


He has his Synagogues. There are today literally thousands of churches in America alone in which the book, blood, and blessed hope are never mentioned. In searching for the devil one should not forget to check behind the pulpit. 2. He has his worshipers. 3. He has his throne. 4. He has his miracles. 5. He has his false trinity. 6. He has his armies. These infernal armies will someday be soundly defeated by Almighty God at Armageddon.
---catherine on 10/29/07


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** Satan inspires his ministers to imitate CHRISTIANITY, and even do MIRACLES.
Matthew24:24
2 Thess.2:8-12 Rev. 13. & :16:13-16..19:20
---Whisper on 10/25/07**

He even gets people to post about what great sinners are in other places.
---Jack on 10/26/07


Great question Cynthia, Yes I can say from first hand experience that he can not only imitate God but Jesus as well. Just as it was in the Garden he gains entrance by convincing a believer to believe a Lie instead of the TRUTH. Satan is not only the great Imitator but the great Imposter also. This is not an overnight process but gentle and step by step.In the case of Eve he started by creating doubt about God's Word.
---jack8937 on 10/26/07


Satan inspires his ministers to imitate CHRISTIANITY, and even do MIRACLES.
Matthew24:24
2 Thess.2:8-12 Rev. 13. & :16:13-16..19:20
---Whisper on 10/25/07


Satan can easily imitate the glory of the Risen Jesus, as he was originally an angel of light.

But he CANNOT imiate the wounds that defeated him, as those are marks of humility and obedience, and he is a proud spirit who will be neither humble nor obedient.
---Jack on 10/25/07


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For starters, he works in people making them do things in self (such as speaking in tongues, prophesying) and it tricks some people, if they don't have discernment of the spirits. I learned right quick that Satan will not tell anyone to do something good for themselves or anyone else. Satan will cause confusing in the church, and he will cause hinderment.
---Rebecca_D on 10/25/07


Satan's counterfeits will lead to utter depravity to those who indulge.
His counterfeits excite unbridled lust and violations of every kind. The damage can lead to multiple problems affecting every area of human existence. Hypnotizing children, necromancy, new age material of every kind, music, all are forms of counterfeiting the Holy Spirit for unholy spirits.
---Michelle on 10/25/07


Satan can counterfeit, but only for a season.

God's staff swallows up the snakes of the devil's counterfeits. God's power is always stronger than anything the devil counterfeits.

Satan counterfeits through religion. He uses idols that are visible and tangible to get your eyes off of God. Idols can be minds, money, persuasive counterfeit doctrines of demons, they all appeal to your flesh and emotions.
---Michelle on 10/25/07


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