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What Cults Have In Common

Besides being cults what do the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Adventists have in common?

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The issues in 1 john has to do with teaching men not to keep the commandments of God

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now according to John, they had the commandments, but rejected them.

many churches today reject the ten commandments as binding on cristians.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 3/23/10


Samuel, I do believe you are misrepresenting Eph.3:9. You insert 'by Jesus Christ' at the end of the verse to satisfy your own trinitarian beliefs. What translation are you using? Otherwise I say to you that you're adding words to the Bible. Rev.22:18.

Jesus was 'the beginning of God's creation.' (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition).

'Beginning' (Greek, arkhe) cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the 'beginner' of God's creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word arkhe more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of 'beginning.'

Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God's invisible creations. Jesus is not God. There is no trinity in the Bible.
---David8318 on 3/23/10


It is typical of those who belong to cult movements to alter the meaning of God's word to suit their crooked ways.

Samuel for example puts the words 'by Jesus Christ' at the end of Ephesians 3:9.

These are scriptural lies on the part of Neo-platonist cult members, to force their trinity doctrine on people and a rather idiotic, pathetic attempt by Samuel to add weight to his already failing argument.

When cultist members realise what they've believed in for many years is in fact false (eg the trinity), rather than accept the truth, they resort to lies to justify their beliefs.

But then again, you have to use lies to support lies.
---David8318 on 3/23/10


Dear Francis I know of no Mainline Christian denomination that originall rejected the Law of GOD outright. One old joke is that when Baptist came to town they had a copy of the Ten Commandments in one hand and Ten dollars in the other. And when they left that broken neither of them.

John Wesley often spoke and taught the keeping of the Ten Commandments. The Doctrine of the Seventh day Adventist church is grounded in of father protestants who worked to uplift gospel truth like Huss, Luther, Wesley and even Calvin whose writings help found the doctrines our church is based on. If we disparage them we our putting down our Spiritual ancestors.
---Samuel on 3/23/10


Some human being made up the cord "cult" and then defined it in his terms, to exclude his beliefs. All good and well.

The Bible does not use the word "cult." the bible uses different terms:

Matthew 5: 19 Least ( loweet form of life)
2 peter 2:22 A dog

It is possible that in a honest effort to follow God some are lead aside? YES

Is is posible for one to make an honest mistake in translation> YES

God made it easy for man to understand His plan. He made a sanctuary on earth to teach men.

The sanctuary is called THE WAY OF GOD.

Psalms 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

Any doubts about what God is doing, look into the sanctuary
---francis on 3/23/10




The only exegetic Scripture I find for those Man-made trin-ideas Are here, Matt.15 v 9, & That light came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15
beginning with the rcc the first trin-relig-org & ends up here in Rev.17 v's 4-6.
There's Only 1 God & Jesus Christ Is His name.
---Lawrence on 3/23/10


The Word Beginning in REv 3,14 has these meanings.

1) beginning, origin

2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader

3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause.

The last two fit with the Scripture that states JESUS Created everything.

Eph 3:9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

For if JESUS created all things He could not have created himself.
---Samuel on 3/23/10


//....but he has some people believing in a 2-3 god & or persons in a god-head, causing them to commit spiritual adultery.

We truly believe in one God that has manifested Himself as flesh and as spirit.

And that has been the conclusion derived from Scripture of His church for several centuries.

If you want to be an Islam or a Unitarian, or Oneness Pentecostal, that is you business but you need realize that the concept of the Trinity has been debated for centuries and the church is not about to change it views on this subject as they stand upon solid exegetics of Scripture.
---Lee1538 on 3/23/10


Samuel, i understand where you are coming from. But in my blog i did say that i would rather call them misguided, or, thus far deceived. Meaning i do not truely believe that people who have a missunderstanding of the Law is a cult.

What i am speaking about are those who reject the law of God outrightly.

1 Timothy 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling,
1 Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Matthew 5:19
---francis on 3/23/10


Yes David8318.
The rcc the mother apoatate church the first trin-relig-org Is the First Man-made cult, then the apostate daughters churches followed after. Just like what the scriptures say, Matt.15 v 9, with their author here 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15. The trin-people use their Man-made theology & philosophy ideas to twist scriptures to make it say things it does Not say, & they Are here, 2nd.Tim. 3 v 7.
It sure seems funny how the devil believes in 1 God & trembles, but he has some people believing in a 2-3 god & or persons in a god-head, causing them to commit spiritual adultery. It sure takes God to open their eyes, but many will Not take heed to it.

---Lawrence on 3/23/10




Mt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit...

Notice that the verse does NOT say in the names of but name as single.

To those of us who can read, we can see three entities - the Father, the Son, AND the Holy Spirit. Thus the trinity that the church has believed in since the first century.

Cults on the other hand, do not believe in the Trinity of God but simply view the Holy Spirit as an influence or something else.

I would reckon they have some real problem when one is born again of His Spirit or when one is commanded to live in the newness of life of the Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 3/22/10


In response to Samuel, the trinity is not a Bible teaching and not a teaching of Jesus Christ. The 'trinity' is anti-Christ in its nature.

The word trinity is not found in the Bible, so it is not a central teaching of true Christianity but rather the central teaching of cultist trinitarian movements who were & still are at the root of many world conflicts.

The removal of trinitarian cults will be a step toward world peace.

You will not find 'trinity' in the Bible, so it is not from God but from men. It is the teaching of men and thus those following it are cult members.
---David8318 on 3/22/10


In response to Glenn, in addition to Watchtowerites and Monarchians (whoever they are), the Bible also teaches Jesus was created.

Colossians 1:15- 'the first born of all creation'.

Revelation 3:14- 'The beginning of the creation by God'.

That's why Jesus is God's SON, the 'SON of GOD', not his twin. There is no trinity in the Bible. You'll find the trinity in Greek and Babylonian mythology.
---David8318 on 3/22/10


Cults reject one or more essential doctrines of the Christian faith, usually either by subtracting from or adding to the same. Deity of the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit, resurrection, the sufficiency of the cross, and salvation by grace through faith.
Mormons as Tritheists and Polytheists, believe that Jesus was the created brother of Lucifer.
Watchtowerites as Monarchians believe that Jesus is the created Archangel Michael.
Adventists believe that the wicked will be annihilated, denying both immortality, and Hell fire. And that Jesus began an additional work of atonement in 1844.
Mark 7:7-13, Colossians 2:20-23, 1 Timothy 4:1-5, 2 Peter 2:1, Revelations 2:14-16, 20-24.
---Glenn on 3/22/10


I am sorry Francis I have to disagree. Having trouble with the law of GOD does not make a person a cultist or a group a member of a cult.

There are three main definistions of a cult.

First a group centered around a person and doctrine. The classic defintion which includes all of Christianity a cult to JESUS.

A group which rejects the central teachings of JESUS such as the trinity, New Birth and primacy of scripture. The LDS, JW, and the various Hindu groups.

Third a group that uses mind control to take over people. Jim Jones, and Moonies.
---Samuel on 3/22/10


Dear Lee I have no trouble with Galations and enjoy studying it. On the other hand Romans is the better and more advanced book on the topic of law and Grace.

Do you have any trouble studying Romans after in Romans 3:31 it says the law is established by faith. A point that you teach is false. Romans teaching the law tells us what sin is. It also uses Old Testament scripture to teach from.

I think a good study of Romans is very profitable. I have read Martin Luther's commentary on it. It was suggested by my SDA pastor when I first joined the church.
---Samuel on 3/22/10


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From the biggest cults of today, Sorry Mr. Brendan for misspelling your name.
St. Brendan is just another Man-made trin-relig-org, Not God inspired as Most of the Man-mades.
---Lawrence on 3/22/10


Again it is nessesary to begin by identifying "cults" by those who reject the Laws of God: rather that call any group a cult, I would say missguided, or thus far deseived. But if we insist on the word
"cult" begin with those who reject the law of God.

The Jews, accepted the Law of God, but rejected christ.
Many would be christians accept Christ, yet reject the Law of God.

But a christian is one who accepts or has faith in christ, and keeps the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

---francis on 3/22/10


As pointed out earlier one of the Greatist authorities on Cults Walter Martin who wrote the Book Kingdom of the Cults state the Seventh day Adventist church is not a cult.

Our view on salvation is like that taught by John Weslery in the Methodist church and Martin Luther two men our church teaches highly about. We are saved by Grace alone but Grace is never alone. GOD works in us to do His will. Read First John.
---Samuel on 3/22/10


Have you ever done a indepth study on Galatians? For the legalist SDA it has to be the most troubling of all God's Word concerning law obedience.
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10

Yes i have studied Galations. It does not deal with the TEN COMMANDMENTS, the central issue in galations is the need of none hebrews to be circumcised.
Circumcision on the 8th day is not part of the ten commandments.

Paul includes circumcion not as part of the ten commandments, but as the law of sacrifice:

Exodus 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband [thou art], because of the circumcision.

Not all " Laws" refer to the ten commandments. Some refer to the SANCTUARY or to the LAW OF MOSES rather than THE LAW OF GOD
---francis on 3/22/10


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Another characteristic of a cultist, besides having a false confidence in a lie, is to have a delusion that God is pleased with the cultist.
p.s. Elaine quasi Buddhist, ecumenicist, mystic, probably a universalist, possibly a Quaker.
2p.s. Steven-rem7000: Christians believe that to be saved one has to accept Jesus' atoning sacrifice on the cross in our place. And that it is by faith which is not a work. Are you a semi-Pelagianist?
Psalm 11:3, Luke 6:49, John 15:6, Romans 1:16-32, 3:20-28, 4:2-8, 6:14, 16, 7:6, 10:2-4, 11:6, 13:8, 10, 1Corinthians 1:18, Galatians 2:16, 21, 3:1-29, 5:1-18, 6:7-16, Ephesians 2:8-10, Colossians 3:17, 2Timothy 1:9, Titus 3:5, Hebrews 8:6-13, 9:14, 28, 10:16-25, 11:6, 13:8-10, James 3:14-15, 4:6.
---Glenn on 3/22/10


"And those man-made ideas have all too often became part of the extra-biblical doctrine of the cult."
---Lee1538 on 3/21/10

Man-made ideas such as Sunday sacredness?
---jerry6593 on 3/22/10


And those man-made ideas have all too often became part of the extra-biblical doctrine of the cult.
---Lee1538 on 3/21/10


Cults Are Man-made ideas. What common grounds they have & came from here, Matt.15 v 9,
2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 3/21/10


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They (and most professing christains) will all have some form of works or grace works mix Salvation. Some are cleverly disguised others are blatant. For instance the professing christain that says their christ died for all, BUT you have to accept or have faith for it to be effectual. That is works! True Christianity believes Christ saved his people (called the redeemed) and it is his faithfulness that saves them, NOT their faith or acceptance i.e. ALL GRACE by Gods mercy.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us (the redeemed) IN CHRIST JESUS BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN
---steven-rem7000 on 3/20/10


Cults follow men and man-made teachings. A common denominator among the mainstream cult movements today is the man-made teaching of the trinity.

Cult movements in 'trinity-land' (RCC, Anglican and their smaller trinitarian denominations) have many things in common. Death, fornication and other works of the flesh.

Trinitarian cult movements were responsible for 2 World Wars. The Nazi/RCC cults being predominantly responsible.

More man-made teachings such as the teaching of celibacy among its hierarchy has moved the RCC to extraordinary levels of filth among its wicked 'man of lawlessness' or priesthood class to that of paedophilia. Paedophiliac cult leaders within the RCC have gone undetected- covered up by the Vatican.
---David8318 on 3/20/10


"They zealously court you, but for no good, yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them." (Galatians 4:17) They will make too big of a deal out of some one person, put that person above question. But each person is unique, so this happens different ways with different people and groups. They isolate themselves with some one person and with certain things they say no one else has and you *must* have these things of theirs, in order to be saved or fully pleasing to God.

But people getting married can isolate themselves with each other, making too big of a deal out of each other, making each other an idol, becoming a two-person cult. So, we all can do this.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/20/10


Yes the Covenant by GOD was made with the Jews. The Covenant made with Adam and Noah were with all men. But we only know this because it is in the Jewish Scriptures. The Scriptures the church is founded on is Rom 3:1,2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Are the Scriptures the oracles of GOD not for the Church? Paul used scripture to prove His points. He told Timothy scripture is for the church.

According to Walter Martin A cult authority the Seventh day Adventist church is not a cult.
---Samuel on 3/20/10


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Francis: Keep up the good work! Best wishes for getting through to Lee. I've tried for years without success. He claims to be a Presbyterian, yet violates some of their traditional beliefs - such as the permanancy and moral nature of the Ten Commandment Law. His religion seems to be one of "salvation by SDA bashing."

From a Presbyterian authority:

"The Sabbath is part of the Decalogue - The Ten commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution...Until therefore it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." T.C. Blake, D. D., Theology Condensed, Pages 474, 475.
---jerry6593 on 3/20/10


What do Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and 7th day Adventists have in common? A belief in God. Paul states "Everyone who loves God is a Jew." Say what you will about any religious group that places God at the center of their worship...every religion is begun by some person's understanding of God, launched from the springboard of another religion. And of course, EVERY ONE claims "their religion" is the True one.
Look at religions as levels of understanding...study all of them to get Mankind's full perception of God, then see if you can ask this question.
---Elaine on 3/20/10


francis - it is truly amazing just how naive some people can be in trying to force the scriputre to say that Gentiles were also given the law. Both Isaiah 56:6 and Exodus 12:49 pertain only to those who either have joined themselves to the nation of Israel or having to be in their country.

Read Romans 2:14 where it states Gentiles actually fulfilled the law even thro they did not have the law simply by obeying the revelation they were given. And sorry guy, but they did not observe the Jewish Sabbath.

Frankly, I really wish you have the ability to think but apparently your training is more that of a follower.
---Lee1538 on 3/20/10


Lee ... take care ... some may be offended by this sort of mistake, although this Francis is not.

Frances is a woman's name!
---alan86566_of_uk on 3/19/10


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In his question tommy asks in essence 'what do cults have in common'? He assumes the 3 groups he cites are cults. On what basis or authority does tommy come to this conclusion?

A blogger here suggested that a 'cult' tends to have teachings of men as their doctrines. I would agree completely with this. Teachings of men do form the basis and foundation of all cults. For example, such man-made teachings as:

1. The trinity
2. Hellfire
3. Immortality of the human soul (Greek Platonic philosophy)

These 3 man-made teachings are not Biblical, but rather form the foundation of all apostate cult movements.
---David8318 on 3/19/10


frances //I am dead to the law.Is the law dead?

While the law is not dead it has completed its intended function as a guardian (or schoolmaster) if it has led you to be justified by faith in Christ. Gal. 3:24f

"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith."(3:25)

Have you ever done a indepth study on Galatians? For the legalist SDA it has to be the most troubling of all God's Word concerning law obedience.
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10


Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


Frances - you say you are dead to the law and the above says 'that you should be married to another', Who is that 'another' this scripture speaks of?

(7:6) "But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit."

If you have been release form the law, then why do you still pitch it as something we need to obey?
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10


FROM LEE
What you fail to understand because you do not know the scripture is that the sabbath was given ONLY to the Jewish nation as a commandment.

From francis:
Not to the jewish nation, mabye THROUGH, but not to.
See: Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.


Again i repeat when we want to find " Cults" let us start with those who reject the commandments of God.
---FRANCIS on 3/19/10


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Rom 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind
---Carla on 3/19/10


Works righteousness / the incorrect use of the law / the misunderstanding of who Jesus is, and his atoning sacrifice on the cross / the use of extra biblical (and false) books as an addendum to the Bible / the misinterpretation of both the Bible and God's will. Note: a few Seventh Day Adventist congregations have rejected most of the faulty and spurious Adventist doctrine.
By Scripture alone, by faith alone, by grace alone, through Christ alone, glory to God alone.
Zechariah 4:6, Matthew 7:13-27, 16:13-17, John 14:6, 2Corinthians 3:3-11, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5.
---Glenn on 3/19/10


The 'apostasy' of the early 'church' was foretold by the apostle Paul at 2 Thess.2:3-7 when he said 'because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction... only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way'.

When the last of the apostles died, the 'restraint' was 'out of the way', thus allowing for the appearance of the 'apostasy' beginning with Constantine who formed the RCC, leading to the appearance of the wicked 'man of lawlessness', or the clergy of Christendom who are in 'opposition' to the Christ.

The filthy perversion of this wicked 'man of lawlessness' is now becoming very apparent behind the sordid doors of the RCC Vatican.
---David8318 on 3/19/10


How did Jesus identify the cults?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The "cults" are those who break the ocmmandments of God, and teach men to do likewise. This is biblical.
---francis on 3/19/10


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frances -//Not jewish, not christian, but sabbath of the lord thy God of which is part of the TEN COMMANDMENTS to which Jesus said he came not to change or do away with.

What you fail to understand because you do not know the scripture is that the sabbath was given ONLY to the Jewish nation as a commandment.

De 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded YOU to keep the Sabbath day.

While you were a slave in Egypt, did you do the straw or the clay when making them there bricks?
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10


Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

I am dead to the law.
Is the law dead?
---francis on 3/19/10


You should guard your comments a more closer as in agreeing that Roman Catholics can be Christians you could be found to be an apostate SDA. Roman Catholics as you know are viewed by SDA as bearing the Mark of the Beast, worship other gods, and worst yet, do not observe the old Jewish Sabbath.
Lee1538

I am a SDA and Roman Catholics can and many are and have been Christians. The mark of the Beast has not been given yet. Many in the RCC worship Mary and saints call that what you will,since you teach the second commandment is gone. In the RCC catchisim the second command is part of the first commandment which the RCC teach is still in effect.

I disagree with you Lee but it is GOD alone who will judge. Please tell the truth.
---Samuel on 3/19/10


LOL! Jewish sabbath.

The correct term is:
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Not jewish, not christian, but sabbath of the lord thy God of which is part of the TEN COMMANDMENTS to which Jesus said he came not to change or do away with.

If you are looking for "cults" start with those who teach that the Law of God has changed. They have another sabbath by another God. To US SDA'S the seventh day is not jewish sabbath, but Sabbath of the lord OUR God

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

why not come on the first day?
---FRANCIS on 3/19/10


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Jerry - thank you for agreeing with me that cults such as the SDA, Mormons, JWs do have extra-biblical literature and that they all agree the church fell into apostasy for which they were commissioned to reform it back to its once pristine purity.

You should guard your comments a more closer as in agreeing that Roman Catholics can be Christians you could be found to be an apostate SDA. Roman Catholics as you know are viewed by SDA as bearing the Mark of the Beast, worship other gods, and worst yet, do not observe the old Jewish Sabbath.
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10


It seems strange to me, that any believer in christ would reject the ten commandments.

If you are looking for "cults" start with those who reject the words of Jesus:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 3/19/10


Frances - wonderful, since you are a Jewish Christian you may be as much like Jesus as you possible can. So go get yourself and you sons circumcised, attend all the Jewish festivals, do the temple thing, tithe to the Levitical priesthood, offer the grain & animal sacrifices, etc. etc.

However, if you were to get into the New Covenant (re: the New Testament) you would find the Spirit of Christ did not order Gentile believers in Christ to become converts Judaism (ever read Acts 15?).

I sure you never read Romans where it says -

Ro 7:6 But now we are released from the law(Torah), having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10


"However, the church to me is that body of true believers in Christ in whom His Spirit indwelts [sic] whether they be Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodists, Roman Catholics, etc. despite their differences."
---Lee1538 on 3/18/10

Hallelujah! You finally agree with me! However, your list does not seem to include SDAs. Do you still plan to continue bashing them?
---jerry6593 on 3/19/10


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Apparently, they have belief in God in common. How awful!
---jerry6593 on 3/19/10


It may be best for each of us to compare our beliefs to the bible, the life of Jesus, and the teachings of the spostles.

Jesus and the apostles never ate swine.
Jesus and the apostles kept every sabbath.
The apostles beleved in salvation and righteousness by faith.
The apostles taught from the Law of Moses and the prophets.

Would you consider jesus and his apostles a cult?

remember that a christian is a follower of Christ, not a follower of christians.
---FRANCIS on 3/19/10


I have a theory about cults. All cults make a Jesus "and" statement. As in Jesus and you have to be a member of our group. Or Jesus and only eat this. Or Jesus and fellowship on a certain day.
---Shane on 3/19/10


Carla - Yes many are in Churchianity rather than Christianity.

As to differences of viewpoint, you should realize that even in every family, members do not all think alike and have different ways of doing things. And that is true of the family of God as well. But is that really bad?

If we view the main denominations and draw up a matrix of what they believe as far as their stated beliefs are concerned, I believe you would find more commonality than you would differences. It is only those differences that get most of the attention.

However, the church to me is that body of true believers in Christ in whom His Spirit indwelts whether they be Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodists, Roman Catholics, etc. despite their differences.
---Lee1538 on 3/18/10


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LEE:
With every wind of doctrine preached on this site how are all the other churches and yes I said All churches Any different?

There is one church but few attend it not in body but in Spirit and in absolute TRUTH!

Who can stand up hand on heart and say yes where I attend is absolute in teaching the word rightly divided? Eh..... No ONE!!!!

So quit rubbishing different faiths at least with the witnesses they take spit, swear words, hate, doors slammed but their goal is not totally misguided but their most persecuted. Yet they still Street Mission daily, does your church?
---Carla on 3/18/10


Dear lee you wrote on the LDS, Jw and SDA. Some of what you said about the LDS and JW is true. But you misstated the Seventh day Adventist position.

They all believe the early church became apostate...

They, to support their unique doctrines have created other sources of scripture apart from the bible ---- the Adventists doing much the same with their Clear word Bible, and writings of Ellen White.

Lee1538

We believe like most protestants that the RCC was an apostate church. But that true belivers have always been around. The Clear word is a recent paraphrase which has only been around a few years. The writings of White are not above or equal to scripture. Why do you not just disagree without the lies?
---Samuel on 3/18/10


The Pope claims to be the Vicar of Christ or the only true representive of GOD on earth. That Salvation flows down through on the Roman Catholic church.

Pope John Paul 2 changed this a little saying that other churches could be seperated brethern. Unlike in the Middle ages when all who were not RCC were hunted down and executed as apostate servents of the devil. Many do not remeber that in RCC controled countries that to own a Bible or to have it translated into a language that was not latin was an offence punishable by death.
---Samuel on 3/18/10


//what do the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Adventists have in common?

They all believe the early church became apostate after the death of the Apostles, that they were commissioned to bring the church back to its original pristine state.

They, to support their unique doctrines have created other sources of scripture apart from the Bible. Mormons with the Book of Mormons, Doctrines & Covenants, Jehovah's Witnesses with their revised translation of the Bible, Watchtower magazine, and the Adventists doing much the same with their Clear word Bible, and writings of Ellen White.

Secondly, none claim much if any support from the writings of the early church.

Their is a depository of teachings by demons.
---Lee1538 on 3/18/10


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It appears that a cult is anyone who isn't of the Fundamentalist or Evangelical ilk. The religions listed are constantly having to defend their beliefs but those who call themselves "Christians" never answer with any substance any question they have been asked. Please shock me moderator - post this comment!
---tammy on 11/12/07


What do the cults have in common? They are all going to Hell together. as well as with any one who is without Christ, we must learn what God's word says and how to use it with prayer, love and in the Holy Spirits leading so we can share the Gospel with our friends of other faiths.
---Jim on 11/5/07


The greatest and the most important work of Satan among men now is to counterfeit the doctrines and experiences of God as revealed in Scripture, in order to deceive Saints, us.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
Ephesians 6:10-18
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Rev. 12:9-12

Men are commanded to test ALL DOCTRINES IN THE SUPERNATURAL REALM to see if they are of GOD or of satan.
1 Corinthians 2:12-16....
---Whisper on 11/5/07


Men are COMMANDED to TEST ALL DOCTRINES AND EXPERIENCES in the supernatural realm to see if they are of God or of satan.

Phil 1:9-10
1 Thess.5:21-22
1 John 4:1-6
It is certain that every religion, doctrine, and experience among men can not be God.

The knowledge of TRUTH IS THE FIRST essential in the warfare against demons and error.
---Whisper on 11/5/07


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Following writings outside of the Bible. Extreme legalism and false humility. Spiritual pride, and an excluxive ticket to heaven as part of the false belief. Of major significance is they take away the diety of Jesus Christ and believe him to be an angel rather than God. This last part fully excludes them as Christian and creates them as a new religion or cult.
---jody on 11/5/07


The Pope never claimed himself to be God, he is a man, he sins and has faults, no human is perfect.
Cults, on the other hand (Mormons, JW's, ect.) preach that THE CULT is the only way to heaven. Also, cults change their scriptures (if any) and history to make it look like they have always been right (The Book of Mormon has had many versions and the JW's change their "revlations" all the time)
---Patrick on 11/4/07


Jim, tell me when did the Pope ever state that he is god?
---Caring on 11/4/07


There have always been Christians that mainstream Christians consider odd, but they're still Christian.

The three religions you mentioned all believe in Jesus. That's all that's required to make them Christian. And as such they are SECTS not cults.

They've also been around for over a century. That's much longer than a cult lasts.

So,you may consider these fellow Christians odd, if that is how you perceive them, but please don't consider them cults.

Thank you.
---Nancy on 11/4/07


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I would challenge the person who said, "the Pope is a man who claims to be God," to support his/her claim and show evidence where the Pope actually thinks this! Otherwise its simply false! Cite your sources please!
---marshall on 11/3/07


Let us go back to the time of Christ. He being a man, said He was God-John 10:33. The Jews and Greeks thought His doctrine was new, strange, radical. Acts 4:2, 5:28, 24:14. To the Jews He was a stumbling stone because He did not subject Himself to them and they crucified Him out of the world. The Holy Spirit gave the apostles authoritative revelation--we call it the New Testament.
---Wayne87 on 11/3/07


The most common link that I notice in cults, particularly the ones you mention, is that they place more importance on the teachings of the individual at the head of these organizations than they do on the Word of God. If there is a discrepancy the organization and the 'top man' get the vote. The bible always seems to be secondary and in many cults it counts for nothing at all.
---RitaH on 11/3/07


They were started by man as well as written by man. A lot of times they have mans truth twisted with God's Inspired Word. God Bless!
---Cynthia on 11/2/07


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Tommy, perhaps we should consider comparing how each of our religions measures up to Jesus'. Let's see, Jesus:
*Was a Sabbath keeper-Mt 12:8, Lk 4:16
*Believed & kept the Law & the prophets-Mt 5:17, 22:40, Acts 24:14, 28:23, Lk 24:27
*Taught salvation through Him alone-Acts 4:12, 16:31, Ro 10:9
*Believed in & practiced full emersion baptism-Mt 3:13, Mk 1:9-10, Lk 8:12

...just for starters. How does your faith measure up so far?
---Geoff on 11/2/07


Universalism Quiz

12. People who got to hell will eventually be redeemed.

The correct answer is False.


Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.





---Bob on 11/2/07


Universalism Quiz

16. Those that believe they have power within themselves are deceived.

The correct answer is True.


Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.





---Bob on 11/2/07


Cult is a label affixed to a group whose teachings the labeler disagrees with.
---John1944 on 11/2/07


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When a person claims to be god, then that is a dead giveaway of a cult! the pope is a man who claims to be god is blasphemy,
---jim on 11/2/07


1. Defective Christology
2. Doctrinal novelties
3. Radical sectarianism
4. Authoritative extra-Biblical revelation.
---Jack on 11/2/07


All started by man not God.
---mima on 11/2/07


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