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Explain Romans 8:20

What is your take on Romans 8.20?

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 ---John1944 on 11/6/07
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The problem is not completely solved for me, but thanks everyone for your responses! -John1944
---John1944 on 11/7/07


Blessings to all, For the creation was subjected to vanity- vanity means failure, decay, something that is perishable. Creation was subjected to vanity because God made it that way. The curse of sin came upon Adam's disobedience, but the physical world also came under the curse. Remember what God said to Adam(Gen. 3:18-19). There is a curse on creation. Not willingly means not of its own will, but because of HIM who subjected it on the basis of hope. God Bless!
---Cynthia on 11/6/07


John,

God made man very good (Gen 1:31). He also made made man to have a brain, and free will over his actions, and to have responsibility of the garden.

When Adam willingly disobeyed God (Rom 5:19 / 1Tim2:14) sin entered in as a result. All mankind unwillingly was made subject unto the consequences of sin. But the same God who made mankind subject unto death also subjected mankind in hope. This hope is the expectation of Christ's return and our bodies being glorified.
---trey on 11/6/07


John, I understand the earth was created perfect, perhaps in a resurrectional state of the Holy Spirit's quality...that perfect. Consider the next verse, how the "creation" will one day be in the "glorious liberty of the children of God"...resurrectional glory, I'd think this means.

Creation was perfect, but NOT perfect like our unchangeable Creator. So, it could change to less...like how a perfect cake can become moldy if not preserved.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/07


Now, John, also, didn't God make Adam and Eve perfect? But they were perfect as creatures, NOT perfect like how our Creator alone is good AND incapable of being degraded or hurt, nor can His love become tired...even since all past eternity. Only Jesus could be the first really perfect human, here. Consider Colossians 3:18, how it was meant to be "that in all things He may have the preeminence."
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/07




Jody, are you preaching to squirrels and neighbors' pet doggies, that Jesus is Lord and died for us and that we are invited to the new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness...like I have done? Well, I've "advanced", maybe, to being more personally involved with people.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/07


Hi, John...in case you're new here, welcome (((o: God bless you!!!

Romans 8:20 > "For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope,"

The earth didn't do anything wrong, but if it had stayed in its perfect state, Adam and Eve might not have been able to function here, at their level in their sin. So, God has earth staying at sinful man's level, for now. And to be sure there are problems, with creation like this.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/07


John
(1)In the beginning God had dominion of the heavens and earth (Genesis 1:1-4). The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. When God separated the light from the darkness He saw the light, that it was good. Then God gave dominion of the earth to man.
---Shawn.M.T on 11/6/07


(2)It was man that opened the door for sin to enter the world by giving up that dominion to the devil. But Christ took back that dominion, and our souls (all that are saved) abide eternally with him. We (in this flesh) are subject to (but not necessarily giving ourselves to) sin vanity as we wait in hope for the coming of Christ.
---Shawn.M.T on 11/6/07


(3)God wants us to spread the gospel so as many souls as possible can be saved before he allows the coming of Christ.
---Shawn.M.T on 11/6/07




here is the rest to what I was saying. Christians see the world as it is-physically decaying and spiritually infected with sin. But Christians do not need to be pessimistic, for they have hope for future glory.
---ANN on 11/6/07


We look forward to the new heaven and new earth God has promised, and we wait for God's new order that will free the world from sin, sickness, and evil. In the meantime, we go with Christ into the world where they people's bodies and souls and fight the evil effects of sin in the world.
---ANN on 11/6/07


It tells me there will not be much man can do about global warming.>>>As the preacher of Ecclesiates [observed. There is nothing in this life apart fron Jesus Christ] which provides lasting significance to life. If the hand of God were today removed from His creation, all that existed would be ultimate frustration. Apart from God, creation is meaningless. It is plunging headlong into decay and death. However, good news. God promises that even creation will one day be delivered from bondage to liberty.
---catherine on 11/6/07


Ann, I guess my next questiom would be, how could sin enter in if God's creation was perfect to start with? God must have left the door open for sin to happen or it wouldn't have happened. And God doesn't do anything by accident. Please help me out with this. Thanks!
---John1944 on 11/6/07


Sin has caused all creation ("the creature") to fall from the perfect state in which God created it. It is subject to futility ("vanity") and bondage so that it cannot fulfill its intended purpose. One day all creation will be transformed. Until that time it looks forward to the resurrection of God's children.
---ANN on 11/6/07


There is more on that verse but 85 words isn't long enough to put it. I found that if u have King James Verson of Life Application study Bible it helps alot. Specially if u want to know what the verses mean.
---ANN on 11/6/07


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Men became VAIN willingly.

But became subject to MISERY unwillingly.
---Whisper on 11/6/07


Every creature was affected by sin when Adam fell. So when sin is finally taken away, all of creation will also be affected by this as well. The animals of those who believe are sanctified and redemed. I am not sure what happens to wild animals. I suppose that if believers pray for wild animals and creatures of the earth, they too would be redemed as it says that what ever we loose on earth is loosed in heaven and what ever we bind on earh is bound in heaven. Also to preach the gospel to all creatures.:)
---jody on 11/6/07


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