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Should Christians buy lottery tickets?

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 ---trey on 11/7/07
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hello,family,yes my thought bro.Eloy is right! I had bought a ticket,won $20 and the lady went & did something "weird"she went off and came bk and said "here 6 dollars!" and that been long time ago,but it was late 'n I was alone so,just took off! It's meant more to me,just get home.....Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 3/31/12


Trey, Instead of buying lottery tickets, use the money for necessities.
---Eloy on 3/28/12


Eloy, you gave Matthew 11:29,30) and that passage no gives any indication that Jesus wanted to bring salvation to anyone. In fact passage (v.27) tells us that no one knows the Father except the Son "and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" It is by Jesus will that He reveals the Father. And then tells those who already have ears to hear, His sheep, to come to Him who are heavy laden and He will give you rest. Only those who are His sheep hear his voice and come to Him.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/12


Strongax, Yes, forgiveness is a big thing. If people would just stop hurting each other, then there would be no need for forgiveness. It would be wonderful if all people in the world were born-again Christians then everybody everywhere would be loving each other.
---Eloy on 3/24/12


\\\\Take heed to yourselves, if the mankind of you sins against you,\\\\

The word that Eloy has mistranslated "mankind" is actually ADELFOS, which means "brother".

See how well he knows Greek?

We're not impressed by yourm erudition, Eloy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/12




\\Take heed to yourselves, if the mankind of you sins against you,\\

Just another example of how youm can't translate Greek accurately, Eloy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/12


Eloy:

You're right. I had forgotten that part.

Still, if you hold onto grudges against someone who injured you, you are allowing that injury to fester forever without ever healing.

Forgiveness is not just good for the other person - it is primarily good for you.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/12


Strongax, "Jesus said to his disciples: Take heed to yourselves, if the mankind of you sins against you, remind that one, and if that one righten, forgive that one. And if that one sin against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to you, saying, I amend: you will forgive that one. Peace to you. As sent me, the Father, even I send you. And this having said, he breathed upon, and says to them, Receive Holy Ghost: Of whomever you all disregard one's sins, they are disregarded to them: of whomever you all regard, they are bound." Lk.17:3,4+ Jn.2o:21-23.
---Eloy on 3/23/12


MarkV, As I suggested to you before, Get the truth. For God does not destine people to stumble.
---Eloy on 3/23/12


Amen Mark V, you are right on target. God made us humans and we are His design. The flesh will stumble but the Spirit will not.
---shira4368 on 3/23/12




Eloy:

Jesus didn't say "forgive your brother if he repents". He said "forgive your brother". Period. It's not up to you to decide whether what your brother did is forgivable or not. It's your job to forgive him his offense against you (i.e. taking it out of your hands, and putting it in God's hands), and then letting God deal with it. You won't be responsible for them. But as long as you don't forgive them, their offense against you will continue to eat at your soul, which won't do you any good, or them any good, or God any good.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/12


MarkV, your off. Please Read- Matthew 11:29,30.
---Eloy on 3/23/12


Eloy, do you know why you don't forgive others? I'll tell you, because you were destined to stumble. You said,

"MarkV, Your theology and judgment is off: for God does not destine people to stumble, he is the Light to the world, and his will is for people not to stumble nor to perish,"
I don't know what god your talking about but my God, the One from Scripture says,

"For they stumble because they disobey the word, "as they were destined to do." But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the wonderful deeds of "Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous Light"
You say no, God says yes, you sin.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/12


Strongax, I count sins done against me as sins done against me, I don't confuse sinuousness with righteousness, and I never forgive any guilty person whom does not repent. If the offender stays in guilt, their guilt stays on them, and not on me to be responsible for their guilt. I will not be judged for another peron's sins agianst me, nor for another person's evil thoughts against me. We must each stand in front of the Lord's Throne and give a full account of our own selfs, and not the account of others.
---Eloy on 3/22/12


Eloy:

Have you forgiven those who wronged you in this matter? After all, Jesus said we must forgive not even seven times, but seventy times seven times.
---StrongAxe on 3/22/12


I do not recall whether I sent it regular or certified. Shortly after this, it was reported that the person whom was drawing the ping pong balls which had the lottery numbers on them was crooked, I think whom ever got my ticket in the mail either took the winning money themselves, or the news station reporting the crookedness cashed my ticket in for themselves and were trying to appease me for not being payed the winnings. Whatever it is, I learnt never to buy another lottery ticket, because experience taught me that they are crooked and will not pay you if you win. This is how I learn, when someone does me wrong, they never have a second opportunity to do so, and they will give an account of their wrong in this lifetime, or in that to come.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


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Sometimes things get lost in the mail. Putting a 40 cent stamp on something worth a million dollars and just sending it in the normal mail is incredibly reckless. Would you do that with a million dollars worth of jewels? It should at least be worth photocopying the ticket, and sending it certified, registered, insured, etc. - that way, if it gets lost, you at least have a paper trail where you can hold the people responsible for the loss accountable.
---StrongAxe on 3/21/12


Strongax, I did what I was supposed to do, and I mailed the winning ticket to the address printed on the back of the ticket. But no prize. I have learned that people are liars, not all people, for there are still some of us real Christians whom truly care about others. But I have learned that most people cannot be trusted, and they are filled with evil and are quick to hurt us. Every day that goes by, we are getting closer to the end, and no evil person can take that away from us.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


Eloy:

If you won a million-dollar state lottery, there should be evidence of that (for example, your lottery ticket, and their announcement of the winning numbers). If they took your money with the promise that a ticket would win money, and you had those numbers, didn't they pay you, that is fraud, which is a felony. You would have the legal right to sue (and perhaps bring criminal charges). Of course, the Statute of Limitations might limit the time frame you would have to do so.
---StrongAxe on 3/21/12


No. Over thirty years ago I actually won a million dollar state lottery, and they never paid me, so I never bought another ticket one since then.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


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I've tried to get our pastor to have bingo in the church basement, but he says Baptists don't do that. I asked him, Why not? He said, It's unbaptistlike.
---Pat.pat on 3/20/12


Donna66:

Many years ago, I read that states often launder lottery money. For example, suppose a state pledges all lottery profits to education, and takes in $10 million. Suddenly, schools have $10 million more than they used to have. But this means there's $10 million more they don't need, so when the state makes its budget, it can allocate $10 million less to schools, leaving $10 million more in the general fund.

Thus, the schools get what they used to, while the state has $10 million in extra money in the general fund, that can be used for anything, not just education.

I can't say how many states actually do this, but it's certainly within the letter of the rules, even though it grossly violates the spirit of them.
---StrongAxe on 3/20/12


There was a time when colonial New England and other churches were built and supported by lotteries.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/12


SO WHAT!!! pastors & televangelist make $100s of thousands a year.
Pat robertson's salary is $384,000/year
charles stanley is around that area
if these pastors say that 'IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY' then why don't they say 'I will be CONTENTED WITH $50,000/ year'. but NO they are paid well plus benefits plus housing.
I call them HYPOCRITES
---mike on 3/19/12


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I am a Christian who occasionally buys a lottery ticket. What I find interesting are those people in church who are totally opposed to the lottery yet their children use their state's lottery scholarship to attend college. Buying a lottery ticket in most states benefits higher education and affords the opportunity for many who could not afford college to become college graduates. So the lottery (in most states) isn't a totally bad thing. And although gambling was everywhere during Bible days there is not one single passage that directly prohibits gambling.
---Doug on 3/19/12


Alan: We're cool.
---jerry6593 on 10/30/09


Jerry ... When I referred to in principle & theory, I meant your idea that all suppport should come from Christian givers & not from State intervention

I was not talking at all about your actions, and I am sure from all that you have written on all sorts of subjects (even those where I disagree with you!) that you put your money where your mouth is, and give generously, as I try to do as well.

Most sincere Christians do, but they are not necessarily all or only those who trumpet their Christianity, but may include those whom the some of the trumpeters denounce as lukewarm, because they don't make much noise.

I've not said it is surprising! I said appalling, not surprising.

---alan8566_of_uk on 10/29/09


The state lotteries that I'm familiar with ALWAYS promise that their gains will be used for schools (who could say "no" to that?) or parks, or conservation...always something most people think worthy. That's when they are campaigning to legalize gambling.

Ah, but when gambling is legalized, the state spends the money any way it pleases. I'll bet only a small fraction, or none at all, goes to schools, or whatever the promoters claimed it would. They are accountable to no one.

The backers of legalized gambling will "promise" anything, to get votes.
---Donna66 on 10/29/09


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Alan:

"Jerry ... You are right, but I suspect in principle & theory only."

Are you implying that I don't practice Christian Charity?

"the hypocrisy of the "Christian" businessmen was appalling"

Why is this surprising to you?

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there bethat find it.

"My worry about State welfare programmes is not that they exist, for they should ensure that no-one suffers unnecessarily, but that they are so inefficient."

Inefficiency, although characteristic of government, is not the worst problem. Fraud, corruption and the lust for power that money brings are.
---jerry6593 on 10/29/09


Many well know evangelist's have accumulated substantial fortunes. Others have very high salaries. Many of them have perks such as a church provided home and car. Is it so wrong for a Christian to spend a dollar or two in hopes of obtaining a little financial security? I'm sure many of them would give more money to charities than those 10 percent who control 90% of the world's money (so I've heard). If I hit the lottery God knows some of my plans concerning His work. I live in a senior housing project and 13 of us play the lottery. Most of them are Christian's and their only hope of making dreams come true is the lottery.
---Bob on 10/28/09


Jerry ... You are right, but I suspect in principle & theory only.

The plight of the poorest in our Industial revolution was dire, the hypocrisy of the "Christian" businessmen was appalling. The few magnificent exceptions were able to help only a tiny proportion of those so cruelly exploited.

My worry about State welfare programmes is not that they exist, for they should ensure that no-one suffers unnecessarily, but that they are so inefficient.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/09


God has trained me not to partake in lotteries of any kind. Lotteries are to raise funds for the organisers not to help the partaker. For Christian lotteries, you can partake with a mind to contribute not to win. Therefore you can play Christian lottery with just an amount you can contribute to the cause of the event, not more, even if you win, you can donate it back if you so wish.
---Adetunji on 10/27/09


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Alan: I absolutely agree that Christian charity is a mandate. I merely point out that it never involved the state as an enforcing agent in the work. It was to be completely voluntary - from the heart, and the giver received spiritual blessings from it. We still do.
---jerry6593 on 10/27/09


Jerry ... The lottery takes a huge amount of money ... mainly from the poor. They live in this state-spoonsored dream/expectation that they are about to win a fortune.

It is theft in a way.

I was not attempting to compare it with taxatio, although you appeared to be doing so, by saying the lottery was way og getting the poor to pay taxes.

But the main point of issue is that the poor(est) are not able to pay taxes. In some cases it is because they are too lazy to work, but in most cases it is because of enforced circumstanes ... loss of a job, sickness of self or a relative.

I describe myself as a conservative, but think it is right to support the unfortunate ... it's what Jesus talked about
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/26/09


Alan: Wrong! The lottery is all voulntary here, unlike taxes which are not. Ignorance (of the lottery aficionados - not you) has its downside. Such is life.
---jerry6593 on 10/26/09


Jerry ... Yes a State Lottery is a great way for the state to steal money from those who are too poor to be liable to pay tax.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/25/09


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Mabe you should get saved get close to God and stay there. God will quickly take all these mabes and through them in the trash.
---catherine on 11/9/07
What is it with you and your harsh jugemental tone on this blog once again.

I am not going to let you get away with implying that someone who buys just $1 in lotto tickets a week is not a Christian or is not saved. What is the sin?

I set my AC on 78 and not 75 and save $16 a month. I spend about $4 a month on lotto which gives money to schools. If they did not have lotto we would just give up more in property taxes.

And, many Christians have won the lottos in the past and given millions to mission works.
---obewan on 10/24/09


The lottery in the US is great because it is the only way to get poor people to pay taxes.
---jerry6593 on 10/24/09


i hop to win som cash
---jennifer on 10/23/09


I have a idea for a christian lottery that helps do gods work and donate $250,000.00 to a children oriented charity and have a christian win a million dollars. The charity would be accredited and suggestion would come from christians.
---Gary on 12/5/07


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In most states, the proceeds from lotteries go to schools. We can say that spending money on a lottery ticket is not using the money God gave us properly, but we'll spend our money at Mcdonalds promoting Gluttony, or go buy a big screen TV because of Envy, or Covetousness, or we buy fancy clothes for Pride. If it's an addiction, or money you need to pay your tithes or bills, or God's calling you to give elsewhere, then it all would be a sin, but if it's your entertainment money, I dont believe it's a sin
---Robert on 11/29/07


Greetings to all of you,

I too believe buying lottery tickets is wasting the money that God has blessed you with. That is simply my opinion.

A close friend of mine, who is a Christian man, likes to go to Vegas for a few days once a year. He told me that he doesn't see anything wrong with it. He earned the money, and he has set it aside to lose in Vegas. To him it's relaxation.

That's not really what I want to do with my money, but that's his prerogative.

Bless you all,
---trey on 11/27/07


mike murdock's teaching is to give $1,000 seed money & you will become a millionaire. but he did not mention buying a lottery ticket
---william on 11/27/07


Blessings Bro. trey, the money that we are blessed with by God is to be used wisely. Lottery tickets, gambling, and keep in mind that this is just my opinion, should have no place in a Christian's life. We are to be wise stewards of everything that God has blessed us with. It all belongs to God and I agree with Robyn give that money to someone that is less fortunate. God is watching us 24/7 and if you give that money to a needy person that really could use it, you will be Blessed. God Bless Bro. trey!
---Cynthia on 11/11/07


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Rebecca, that is a good point. I love to learn new ways of looking at things and you're right on this one. Would you say it's like a child, we have to teach them what's right and what's wrong and until they learn to tell the truth, they're really not doing anything wrong. Great point and Thank you again.
---Donna on 11/9/07


Donna: If a person doesn't know it is wrong, then it isn't wrong. But until they come to that knowledge from God that what their doing is wrong, (if it is wrong) then it becomes a sin to them if they continue.
---Rebecca_D on 11/9/07


Mabe you should get saved get close to God and stay there. God will quickly take all these mabes and through them in the trash.
---catherine on 11/9/07


Should I start feeling guilty about the dollar I
spent for a candy from the vending machine today?
Perhaps should stop using salt and sugar altogether!
Maybe should stop playing the lottery too. Maybe
should stop working 2 full time jobs, quit and start
"trusting in the Lord for" my finances. Maybe should
just eat grass like a horse and put myself out to
pasture. Maybe not, never mind... Next time
a dollar comes my way, will keep it from some
of ya.
---Nana on 11/9/07


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No. Use the money to help someone less fortunate. You will get a better return on it.Also a great feeling. Knowing you have helped someone in need. This is more pleasing to God.
---Robyn on 11/8/07


***If the Christian doesn't see anything wrong with it, then no it isn't a sin to them.****

I disagree with Rebecca. Christians are living in fornication and don't see anything wrong with it, yet the bible tells us, "Adulterers and fornicators will be judged." (Hebrews).
Buying Lottery Tickets is not trusting in the Lord for your finances. Give and it shall be given unto you. God promises a hundred fold return if we give of our money. Lottery tickets were invented by man, not by God.
---Donna on 11/8/07


I do not believe you should. We are suppose to live a very tight life. I am not talking legalism. But being saved is not a license to do as one pleases.
---catherine on 11/8/07


I don't think Christian or any one else should support gambling. It is a vice that ruins lives and families.
---notlaw99 on 11/8/07


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That all depends. If a Christian feels it is wrong, then yes it would be wrong to even buy a scratch off ticket. If the Christian doesn't see anything wrong with it, then no it isn't a sin to them. This is between them and the Lord and nobody else. If we all listened to someone else and how they feel or how they believed all the time, our mind would blow up because of confusion.
---Rebecca_D on 11/7/07


Do you know that the money that you use to buy that one single ticket, could possibly feed ten starving little children in Africa, or buying them a well so they can have clean water. They will fell like THEY WON the lottery if you send the little you have to them, then YOU WILL BE WINNING THE ETERNAL LOTTERY IN HEAVEN!
---Whisper on 11/7/07


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