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This question relates to what we Christians refer to as the "trinity" 3 in 1. I know there isn't any Scripture that uses the words: trinity or god head, but I was wondering if anybody had any specific verses that straight up say that Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit are all the same.

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Please read the entries marked 1/2 and 2/2 on 9/16.
Rhonda:
9/19: Acts 10:38, do you think that Jesus was anointed with power and power? Psalm 51:11, disproves your point. You misunderstand Acts 8:18-21. Simon wanted to buy the power to impart the Holy Spirit. Your using a story about a man "in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity" to attempt to prove a point is laughable. 9/21: please see "The Meanings of Jehovah" blog, 1/2 and 2/2 on 9/17, 18 for names of the Holy Spirit, the most notable being YHVH. Two useful Greek words for it are G5124 touto - that thing, or afti - it.
Mugwump:
9/21: Yo no estoy de acuerdo!
---Glenn on 9/21/09


mugwump: "Warwick, I agree. No translation of the Bible or anything else is entirely trustworthy."

Basic concepts of salvation are trustworthy and that's all a person needs to know. Besides, the bible, with it's errors, is only a stepping stone to developing a personal relationship with God. God freely gives away knowledge, even knowledge not written in the bible, to anyone who asks. To know God personally is to know truth.
---Steveng on 9/21/09


Rhonda, I must, respectfully, correct you. There are three grammatical genders in Greek, just as there are in Latin. The Greek word for spirit is neither male nor female. Spirit in Greek is an "it."
---mugwump on 9/21/09


Julius Caesar wrote 'veni vidi vici' - 'I came, I saw, I conquered.' The I being added in English to give meaning. Experts translate sentences to retain the correct meaning.

The French I quoted demonstrates this.

This does not mean we cannot translate accurately from one language to another but that it must be done by experts who are fluent in both languages, understanding the grammar of both, and idiom.

For example in old French 'merci' meant the same as 'mercy' in English, as in merciful. Today to translate French 'merci' as 'mercy' is incorrect for in modern French 'merci' simply means 'thank you.'
---Warwick on 9/21/09


Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-30.
Rhonda, Mugwump:
Holy modifies Spirit making it a proper name. In Greek, a male, female, or neutral gender noun can be used in different ways: Matthew 9:24 maid is a neutral noun. In John 6:5 bread is a masculine noun .
In John 16:7-8, 13-15 comforter is the masculine noun G3875 parakletos, and here, G846 autos, G1565 ekeinos are pronoun used for he. Also himself - G1438 heautou.
Calling the blessed Holy Spirit an it is blasphemy, 1Corinthians 2:11, 13, 12:3, Ephesians 4:30. He will forgive you if you receive Jesus as Lord and Savior, Romans 10:11-13, 1John 1:7.
---Glenn on 9/21/09




Warwick, by the way, Latin does have a word for "I". It is "ego." But just as the Spanish "yo" (for I) is not used in normal conversation except for stress, Ego is not used in Latin for the same reason.
---mugwump on 9/21/09


Warwick ... Are you sure about that Latin?

There are surely different verb endings to show whether it is I you or he?

Amo amas amat & all that?

So does not "veni vide vici" actually & specifically mean "I came I saw, I conquered "?

That's what my cat said when she "adopted" me. You didn't know cats spoke Latin, did you? You learn something every day!
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/21/09


Warwick, I agree. No translation of the Bible or anything else is entirely trustworthy.
---mugwump on 9/21/09


Rhonda where in all of Scripture is the Holy Spirit (the definite article) called IT?

If you cannot supply such Scripture your argument falls
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trinity worshippers foolishly argue translation to put spin on OBVIOUS ...he or she MUST be used in Greek - there is no IT in Greek

otherwise in several translations of sun and moon FROM scripture one must IMPLY these are a personage as well THESE ARE described as HIM HE etc

where is Holy Spirits name?

...Satan and ALL OTHER SPIRIT BEINGS have names Satan is not the "unholy spirit"

...noticed how you EVADE actual scriptures I used not attempting to IMPLY your faulty logic to truth choosing to argue obvious grammar translations
---Rhonda on 9/21/09


Mugwump what you write only demonstrates the difficulty of translating from one language to another.

Consider French,

I am leaving = Je pars
they are leaving = ils partent
you are leaving = vous partez
we are leaving = nous partons
she is leaving = elle part.

However this is translated as:

I am/you are/we are/they are/she is-'leaving.' One word while French uses 6+ different words.

I am Australian has a capital A but in French it doesn't-Je suis australien.

Caesar said 'came, saw, conquered' from Latin which has no I. But the correct translation is 'I came, I saw, I conquered.'

---Warwick on 9/20/09




Pneuma, the term for Spirit in Greek, is a neuter noun, neither masculine nor feminine. Grammatically, Pneuma must take the pronoun "it," and not "he" or "she."
---mugwump on 9/20/09


Rhonda where in all of Scripture is the Holy Spirit (the definite article) called IT?

If you cannot supply such Scripture your argument falls.
---Warwick on 9/20/09


Warwick, please read First Corinthians 15:27,28 and you will see why I said Jesus is subservient to the Father.
---mugwump on 9/20/09


My Father is greater than I John 14:28 ...My Father is greater than all John 10:29
...and John 13:16, John 1:14, Luke 10:22 Dan 7:16 describe ONLY TWO divine beings ...10+ verses were Apostles ONLY Greet The Father and Christ NEVER greeting any other "god"

Holy Spirit is Holy because IT is FROM God ...IT has no name because IT is not another god ...IT is a GIFT of POWER IT can be exercised to increase ITS power dwelling within a True Christian Luke 11:13, 19:11-26

David knew Gods Holy Spirit was a POWER NOT a "god" Psalm 51:11

Acts 8:18-20 Peter did not rebuke Simon for referring to Holy Spirit as a POWER that was void of personage Peter rebuked Simon for wanting to purchase IT with money
---Rhonda on 9/19/09


mugwump I react as I do to some of what you write as there always seems to be a hidden meaning.

Are you saying Jesus was unwillingly placed in subjection to the Father, or what?

I have no interest in having it my way as my opinion is of little value. I want to understand what you are getting at and what God says.
---Warwick on 9/18/09


Warwick, as you wish. Have a blessed weekend! :-)
---mugwump on 9/18/09


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Mugwump as I said, for His time on earth Jesus was subjected to the Father, willingly. Nonetheless He was not subject to the Father before His incarnation and not after His resurrection, and definitely not when He returns, as Matthew 25: 31,32 shows.
---Warwick on 9/18/09


Warwick, please read First Corinthians 15:27,28 and you will see why I said Jesus is subservient to the Father.
---mugwump on 9/18/09


The trinity does not take away from the Diety of JESUS. The word trinity was coined to describe how JESUS could GOD at the same time the Father was GOD.

The trinity is the word used to reconcile the concept of one GOD with the equality JESUS as He is being worshipped.
---Samuel on 9/18/09


Mugwump as the Son is an equal part of the Godhead He can only be subservient to the Father, if He chooses to be so, as he did. And only subservient for His time on earth.

Matthew 25:31,32 shows us that the Son who returns will 'sit on his throne in heavenly glory.' No longer the suffering servant but Almighty God here to judge the nations.
---Warwick on 9/18/09


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The Trinity takes away the Deity of Christ, therefore a spirit of Anti-Christ. Just like Mormonism, Islam, Freemasonry, Catholicism, etc, etc, etc. Why do you think the trinity movement is so big? Matt 7:13-14. Wide is the gate. MANY there be which go in thereat. Straight is the gate. FEW THAT FIND IT. Only 8 People were saved on the Ark. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM (JESUS NAME). You would think that if there were 3 gods- the words them, and they would be used all the time. Ask a Jew how many gods there are? Or for that matter look in the OLD TESTAMENT. Perhaps look and see if the Trinity comes from the Catholics?We know they are RIGHT? I believe Mary had to be saved as well in the upper room. She's not a god! Sorry.
---corey on 9/17/09


Warwick, please read First Corinthians 15:27,28 and you will see why I said Jesus is subservient to the Father. Remember that I didn't deny the Trinity. I just said it was paradoxical.
---mugwump on 9/17/09


It's much easier to say "Trinity" (having only three syllables) than to say "the Father , the Son, and the Holy Ghost" (having ten syllables) because men are basically lazy and will find ways to shorten whatever needs to be shortened. When someone says "Trinity" you know in your mind exactly what they are talking about.
---Steveng on 9/17/09


Mugwump what has your comments got to do with my reply to that which you wrote 'Jesus is equal to the Father yet subservient to Him simultaneously?

Among other titles such as Creator, Redeemer Jesus is called Son of God. These titles mean that He is God. Therefore it is a realistic step to call Him God the Son.

Yes indeed this term is not used in Scripture, but is a deduction from Scripture. The term 'preediluvian' is also not in Scripture but we can easily deduce there were people and a world before the flood. As far as I know 'Old Testament' does not appear in Scripture also.
---Warwick on 9/17/09


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Larry, I didn't deny the Trinity in anything I wrote here. I just said it is paradoxical. Which it is.
---mugwump on 9/17/09


Dear Mugwump...see Glenn. Read it believe it accept it.
Only the foolish argue with scripture.
---larry on 9/17/09


Warwick, you asked me, "Mugwump, is it not true that God the Son willingly submitted Himself to the Father, even to death, for His period on earth?" And my answer to you is, Yes, he did! However, God the Son is not a scriptural term. God bless.
---mugwump on 9/17/09


1/2
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
---MIchael on 9/17/09


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Mugwump is it not true that God the Son willingly submitted Himself to the Father, even to death, for His period on earth?
---Warwick on 9/17/09


It is an interesting paradox that Jesus is equal to the Father yet subservient to Him simultaneously.
---mugwump on 9/16/09


1/2
Those verse that dont make specific reference to one member of the Godhead, such as those used appositely to one (or both) of the others, is the Trinity, Genesis 1:1, Psalm 90:2, etc. Here are some parallel verses showing the deity of the Father, the Son - Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit *1, and various verses that include all three *2. There were false teachers in the time of the Apostles as there are today, but Christ's Church has always been Trinitarian *3. If there had been a great number of Unitarians in the first two centuries, the Bishops would not have waited until 325 A.D. in order to address this doctrine.
Trinity: There are three persons, (Father, Son - Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit) in one God.
---Glenn on 9/16/09


Here are some paralel verses showing the deity of the Father, the Son - Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
Father: Isaiah 44:24, 64:8, John 8:50, 2Corinthians 6:16, Philippians 1:2, 1Thessalonians 1:10.
Son: John 1:1,14, Col. 2:9John 1:3, John 5:21,30 Col. 1:15-17 John 2:19, 10:17 Col. 1:27.
Holy Spirit: Job 26:13, 33:4, John 14:17, Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:11.
---Glenn on 9/16/09


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2/2
*1 Father: Isaiah 44:24, 64:8, John 8:50, 2Corinthians 6:16, Philippians 1:2, 1Thessalonians 1:10 / Son: John 1:1, 3, 14, 2:19, 5:21, 30, 10:17, Colossians 1:15-17, 27, 2:9 / Holy Spirit: Job 26:13, 33:4, John 14:17, Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:11.
*2 Isaiah 48:12-13, 16, Matthew 28:19, John 20:21-22, Acts 2:38-39, 10:44-48, 20:27-28(!), Romans 5:5-6, 8:1-4, 15:16, 30, 1Corinthians 2:2-5, 6:11, 12:4-6, 2Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 1:3:14-21, 3:14-21, 4:4-6, 5:18-20, 1Thessalonians 1:2-6, 2Thessalonians 2:13-14, Hebrews 2:3-4, 10:29-31, 1Peter 1:2, 4:14, 1John 3:21-24, 4:13-16, Jude 1:20-21.
*3 Jeremiah 2:12, 13, Mathew 7:15, 15:14, Romans 12:16, 1Timothy 4:1-2, 6:3-4, 2Timothy 4:3, 4, 1John 2:18-19, 22, 4:1-3, 2John 1:7-11.
---Glenn on 9/16/09


Larry you wrote 'Nice try Warwick but once again ideology blinds.'

Do you know Larry some rise above ideology and see through oratory. In my many laps of the sun I have seen many of the style of Obama and noticed time exposed their impressive oratory as empty. They were showmen without substance. Time will tell.

I am not from the US and don't have much interest in US political affairs. Mine was not a party-political comment.

As the saying goes-doesn't matter who you vote for a politician gets in!

I have yet to meet the man and therefore have no idea whether I would like him or not.

You fall for the assumption that I am proPalin. A non sequiter.



---Warwick on 9/12/09


Nice try Warwick but once again ideology blinds. Even Gingrich, another great speaker and very smart man, disagrees with you.

Obama is a great orator. I disagree with him on abortion and plenty of other issues but that doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding writer and speaker. The fact that you don't like him should have nothing to do with admitting the obvious. You're being silly.

I like Sarah Palin too and think she's drop dead gorgeous, but that doesn't mean I can escape the fact that she's dumb as a box of rocks.

None of this makes Obama right or Palin wrong but c'mon Warwick. Intellectually he'd lose her going around the block and you know it. <
---larry on 9/11/09


cont'
Stating and doing are the same instructions given the believers to perform.
We confess His Word,He acts on it by confirming it and he alone gets the Glory.
Rom10
1Jn5
The fruits of our brothers and sister In-Christ would be recognized.My understanding to this is the encouraging of one another to seek him with the understanding, if it is God who has taught them,by the same Spirit he will teach others...this produces patience,meekness etc...not malice words...
that would be carnal.
I can see on some of these post that is evident.
---char on 9/11/09


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No Larry he sounds more like Obama, lots of words devoid of objective meaning.
---Warwick on 9/11/09


Larry,
as to my understanding of Gen1:26,I see this to be God complete,speaking and in action.His word spoken is Y'shua,the action performed by HIM MOVING is the Holy Spirit. The Hebrew word for "Image"(tselem)literally means a representation of the original or a shadow that is the outline.
The "Us" identifies His Word and Spirit performing as one.The "likeness" defines the character and function of God as a whole.
Gen1:27"So God created man in his own Image"...
Our flesh has the function of his character.
Our spirit,his shadow,can produced fruits as a result.
Gal 5:22-23
My previous post gives reference to my positioning with the Hebraic perpective.
Still trying...
Shalom.
---char on 9/11/09


Got it larry...Thanks.
Still trying...
the interesting thing is...

language barrier is exactly what it is.
---char on 9/10/09


Char- I am sure you raise some salient arguments but try using complete conversational sentences. Your text formatting and references without perspective fall somewhere between Bushisms and Palin-speak as generally unintelligible.

Are you a native speaker of Cantonese or Mandarin?

Forgive me if there is a cultural and language issue for which you are adjusting.

To answer the blog question, Genesis 1:26
---larry on 9/10/09


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And if we don't comprehend the language,
we can learn it.
Studing,seeking... Gods word regardless of what language written or spoken, brings understanding.
Father can teach through all of them...regardless.
1Cor 2
Job 38-39-41
1Jn5:9
If we receive the witness of men,the witness of God is greater,for this is the witness of God which He hath testified of His Son.

You will know them by their Fruits...
Matt 7
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness,goodness,faith,Meekness,temperance:against such there is no law.
2Tim3:16-17(All)
reproof...correction..instruction...

Praise God for His Mercy and Grace
and His Holy Spirit who teaches.
---char on 9/10/09


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---Warwick on 9/10/09


Trinity-English word.
3-unity.
Grk/Roman abstract.
Deut6:4 ONE
...The Lord our God is ONE Lord...
eh-had(noun)comes from,verbal root ahhad meaning"to unite" translated:
Unit-something that is part of the whole.
Example:
(A TREE)
compose of units within units.
roots,trunk,branches,leave.

(Father)
Fathers word made flesh:(Jesus/Y'hshua)
Jn1:1
Holy Spirit:
God is Spirit:Jn4:24
Holy:Matt6:9
God Complete:Matt 12:31
Father,Word,Spirit

Jn14:26...Father will send in My Name...
Col 1:15...Image of the Invisible God
Jn5:43...My Fathers Name
Jn14:9...SEEN ME hath SEEN FATHER
Matt 1:21-25 Emmanuel:God with us
Is9:6...Child,Counselor,Mighty God,Everlasting Father.
---char on 9/9/09


Rhonda, the Holman Bible Dictionary defines blasphemy as:

"In the Biblical context blasphemy is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God."

Therefore as the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed 'he' is God. If 'it' was but a force from God then blasphemy against 'it' is blasphemy against God. Jesus as Creator would be well aware of this and would have said blasphemy against God is unforgiveable-He didn't.

I cannot see your point in mentioning 2 Tim. 3:16.

Are you saying that as Jesus said He was one with God means He is God? Otherwise what you have written is meaningless.

Do you receive pleasure from calling us liars?
---Warwick on 9/3/09


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Rhonda, you say you follow Scripture, so where does it say those in the Godhead are 1/3rd each? Isn't this just human reasoning applied to the transcendent God?

Don't you think it somewhat arrogant for the creature to tell the Creator God what He is or isn't, what He can or can't do?

Why cannot the persons of the Godhead talk to one another? Remember in Genesis they said-Let us make man in our image!

You are falling for the error of imagining that only what you or I can understand can be true. Does any Scripture agree with you on this? Does the 'clay' explain Truth to the 'potter?'
---Warwick on 9/3/09


Rhonda -- OK, so you believe that Christ is one half, the Father is the other half...Or.. Jesus prayed to Himself in Gethsemane?
And do you believe in the Holy Spirit?
Who is He? (He's always redferred to as HE in scripture) What is His role?
---Donna66 on 9/3/09


Rhonda ... Why do you use the word "lie" about the Trinity? It's an ugly word, and means deliberate untruth.

So why should Trinitarians believe something which they know is a deliberate untruth? It's a contradiction in terms!

If you think the Trinity doctrine is incorrect, that is the worst you should say about it.

I don't recall any Trinitarian here saying that Unitarianism is a lie ... they just say it is mistaken.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/3/09


Here, the Son (Jesus) is asking the Father (God) to send the Holy Spirit, who will do what only God can do..."abide with you forever".
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soooo ...Christ who is 1/3 ASKS The Father who is 1/3 to ask a question to their "other 1/3"

DECEPTION is clear when understanding Christ ONLY states he is ONE with The Father ...scripture does not support they are all "one"

if they were "really all one" this passage would truly be nonsensical ...imagine being 1/3 of a being and you have a direct question for 1/3 of yourself and you ask the other 1/3 to ask the question of your other 1/3...and you heard the question being asked ...something like a whose on first skit
---Rhonda on 9/3/09


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Lawrence -- Why don't you tell us what YOU believe, instead of just slandering those who believe differently?
---Donna66 on 9/3/09


Rhonda, things cannot be blasphemed, only God.
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Then talk to The Father in Heaven ...THROUGH his Holy Spirit DWELLING IN Apostles who also had inspiration of SPOKEN WORD of CHRIST 2Tim 3:16

if "things" cannot be blasphemed by OPINION and IMPLYING a NEW DEFINITION for blasphemy ...very necessary for YOU to continue clinging to pagan trinity LIE

funny you glossed OVER the one thing you cannot DENY ...Christ NEVER says he is "one" with other third of trinity

Christ states he is ONE with The Father John 10:30, John 17:11, Rom 15:6 (they agree LIKE a marriage Eph 5:31) ...NOTICE IT DOES NOT SAY "ONE" with Holy Spirit ...pagan trinity lie DISMISSES these BASIC scriptures
---Rhonda on 9/3/09


God robed in flesh & Is Jesus Christ, 1st. Tim 3 v 16. Only One God. Deu. 6 v 4, Isa, 43 v's 10-11 & 44 v 8, John 14 v 9 & 20 v's 27-28.
In scriptural referances saying he, Is still refering to One. If it said he's then it would be 2 or more.
When Man says there's 2-3 god's & or persons in a god-head they Are in the act of commiting spiritual adultery.
---Lawrence on 9/3/09


According to my Bible, the Holy Spirit is a HE, not an IT. Always He is a PERSON not a thing.

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,

Here, the Son (Jesus) is asking the Father (God) to send the Holy Spirit, who will do what only God can do..."abide with you forever".

They are all three, existing at the same time, or this verse would be nonsensical. All have the full power of the one God, the three are always in agreement.
---Donna66 on 9/2/09


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Rhonda, things cannot be blasphemed, only God. If the Holy Spirit is just a 'thing,' an 'it,' an impersonal force from God then 'it' cannot be blasphemed. You would have us believe the Holy Spirit is just an impersonal force from God. If this were true then Jesus of all people would know, and would have said blasphemy against 'the Father' was unforgiveable. But as you know He doesn't, and for Good reason, because He knows the Holy Spirit (the definite article)is God.

I assume nothing simply report what Scripture says.
---Warwick on 9/2/09


We now have God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit.
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reasoning of men IMPLY - not one scripture supports

blasphemy PER Greek meaning is intentional indignity offered to God or sacred things ...Gods Holy Spirit is sacred thing IT is Holy because IT is from God IT is GODS POWER DWELLING within True Christians Luke 4:14, Rom 15:19, 8:9,11, John 14:17, 1Corin 3:16, 1John 3:24

1Corin 8:6 Eph 4:6, Mark 10:18, 12:29 ...ONE GOD, and ONE LORD

Christ states he is ONE with The Father John 10:30, John 17:11, Rom 15:6 (they agree LIKE a marriage Eph 5:31) ...NOTICE IT DOES NOT SAY "ONE" with Holy Spirit ...pagan trinity lie DISMISSES these BASIC scriptures
---Rhonda on 9/2/09


Warwick- First let me say I respect you as a true believer, I really do so lets not you and I argue but let us look at everything that both have to say. Yes the Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God's own presence in the world. I will let it there and let you continue with your train of thought, and then will answer what you post. YHVH bless you.
---wayne on 9/2/09


Wayne it is simple to show you are wrong about this issue.

I am sure you agree the Father is God.

Step 2-let us consider whether the Holy Spirit is God.

The Holman Bible Dictionary says 'In the biblical context, blasphemy is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God.'

You will see in Matthew 12:31 that Jesus says the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed, and that this blasphemy will never be forgiven!

This, by definition means the Holy Spirit is God! Otherwise He could not be blasphemed.

We now have God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit.

Step 3 is to show Jesus is also God. But let us accept step 2 above before going forward.
---Warwick on 9/2/09


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There is nothing in scripture proving a trinity. It is a pagan doctrine. People read into the scriptures the doctrines of the churches instead of allowing scripture to explain itself. Plus we have the problem of the mistranslations and the fact that alot of the scribs of the new test added verses , took away verses, and changed words here and there so others would believe the way they wanted them too. This is why the rcc made it a crime punishable by death to posses the scriptures and to interpret them on your own. And all of this can be proven and has been proven
---wayne on 9/2/09


Well, there are religious groups who use the Bible and correct doctrine to give themselves credibility. So, just because the Roman Catholic Church uses the Bible and a teaching of the Trinity, this does not mean the Bible and Trinity doctrine are wrong. The Bible clearly does say Jesus is "the Son of God" > one scripture is 1 John 4:15 > it's kind of "hard" for the Father to also be His Son (o: So, I see there are two Persons, here. And if a son of a human father is human, I can understand that *the* Son of God would be divine, also. But Jesus does call Himself "the beginning of the creation of God," in Revelation 3:14.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/1/09


Trinity teachings Are Man-made,came from r-catholocism the first trin-church & the light for such Is,2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15. Also I've heard trin-ministers on tv & radio say god the son & god the holy spirit,there Is No such scriptures to back up. As far as 3 persons in a god-head NO such a thing either. God our Heavenly Father robed Himself in flesh came into this world,Jesus Christ,Only One person. One God.
Is there music in heaven?,are the angels playing a tune to musical throne(like musical chairs)?,the father person the son person & the holy spirit person walking around the throne & when the music stops, one will get to sit in the throne & rule for the day, NO. One God & He Alone does It All by Himself.
---Lawrence on 9/1/09


'Trinity' is a man-made word to describe Biblical reality. Similarly 'Old Testament' doesn't occur in the OT, nor does 'pre-diluvian' does this mean the OT doesn't exist and people did not exist before the flood?

Ample Scriptural evidence for the reality of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, exists, and has been repeatedly given.

Surely no believer doubts the Father is God.

The Father calls Jesus God, as do His apostles, as does Jesus, His enemies being hostile witnesses to His claim.

Jesus says the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed, therefore He is God, as only God can be blasphemed.

Therefore we have one God in three persons, the Trinity. Indivisible, but 3 personalities, not 3 Gods.
---Warwick on 8/6/09


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Or...
You can pray and ask The Father(Matt6:9-15)
as instructed by His Word made flesh(John1:1-15)
To teach you by His Spirit,he sent that is Holy(Jn14/15:26 (1Cor2)

Who is the SAME...(Hebrews13:8)
JESUS Who was..
yesterday?
Who is...
Today?
Who will be...
Tomorrow?

and...(John5:43)
What he meant by...
I AM come IN my Father's NAME and ye recieve ME not...
or...(Jn14:11)
Believe ME that I AM IN the FATHER and the FATHER IN ME...

and maybe...

I and Father are ONE.(Jn10:39)(Jn4:24)
Who is The: I AM...First and Last?(Is44:6)
Being God beside no OTHER...
I AM..Alpha and Omega...Beginning and the End,the First and the Last..
(Rev22:13)
Isa47:4
---char on 8/4/09


Tyler,
You asked if there were "Any specific verses that straight up say that Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit are all the same."

No matter how trinitarian apologists try to avoid a direct answer to your simple question...you'll find with a study of God's word the answer is simply...

...no.

It takes a crazy-quilt of theological inference and assumption to piece together what God's word never directly says.
---scott on 6/30/09


"...'I' find it all to be gibberish." Hmmmm!

2 Timothy 3:7-9
---Leon on 12/1/07


Shara, Do you know any "identical" twins? If you've seen one you've seen the other as they are an exact duplicate. People have said to me "Your father will never be dead as long as you're alive" I am like him in every way!
---1st_cliff on 11/11/07


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Creation: Father-In six days the LORD made the heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them. Son-By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them. Spirit-by the breath of His mouth they were made. The Father sent forth His Spirit (breath) and they were created: Ex.20:11>Psa.33:6>104:30 Salvation: Father-Behold God is my salvation, The LORD JEHOVAH is my strength, He also is become my salvation. I AM the LORD thy God. The holy one of Israel, thy Savior. Isa.12:2>43:3
---joseph on 11/9/07


Son: Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, for He has visited and redeemed His people. Neither is there salvation in any other: For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Father "Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his redeemer, the LORD of hosts, I am the first, and I am the last, besides Me there is no God" Jesus "Fear not: I am the first and the last:" Lk.1:68>2:11>Isa.44:6>Rev.1:17.
---joseph on 11/9/07


The Roman 'trinity' is a pagan concept, codified at Nicea. There are as many Biblical endorsements of it as there are scriptures that are against the roman trinity. The concept is based on greek philosophy as well as a compromise with pagan religions that existed in Rome around 325AD

In reading about the 'trinity' in the works of Aquinas, Luther, Calvin I find it all to be gibberish.
---MikeM on 11/8/07


i tink there is a verse that Jesus said "Anyone who has seen the Father has seen me". So that kind of relate that They are One and the Same.
My mother who is a new believer also ask me the same question. How can the trinity be 3 different persons yet One and the Same?
i can't basically explain that except we will know when we get to heaven. This is the mystery of God. Anyone can explain?
---shara4544 on 11/8/07


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Tyler, the word "godhead" does appear in the Bible > in my translation, anyway > Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9. Godhead seems to mean "divinity" or something like this.

But "Trinity" does not appear.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/8/07


It says They are "one" > "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)

Jesus has prayed for us > "'And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:'" (John 17:22) Here, being "one" seems to refer to more than one individual being "one" with each another, but they are not the same individual (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/8/07


God made man in God's own image. And man is made up of more than one individual...a family being with father, child, and mother as basic persons...like(?) how God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit...more than one Person, but one...like how a family can be one family with more than one individual. And love is the common good which makes all one > "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8 & 16) > God is love in the form of three Persons, but all made up of the exact same Family caring and sharing love (((o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/8/07


Take the quiz, God in three persons. One God, Triune. Not complicated.
Oneness is false doctrine.
---Bob on 11/8/07


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Part 3.....

1 Corinthians 8:6
Acts 5:3-4
Isaiah 9:6-7
Hebrews 1:8
John 1:1-2
1 John 17:11
21:23
1 John 5:7

In Zechariah 1:7-21, The Lord of Hosts, God is also described as "the angel of the Lord"

AND THEN IN Psalm 91, we read that HE covers us with HIS feathers.

And since we are made in Gods IMAGE? What does that have to say for us?
---Whisper on 11/8/07


Check 1.Cor.15.28.
---John1944 on 11/8/07


O.K. So what this means Divine Trinity is that there are three separate and distinct persons in this Godhead, each one has His own personal spirit body, personal soul, and personal spirit in the same sense each human being, angel, or any other being had his own body, soul, and spirit **********pt. one.
---Whisper on 11/8/07


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