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Looking For The Rapture

Is Hebrews 9:28, a defining scripture?" So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that LOOK for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." What about those who are not LOOKING for him? Is this talking about looking for the rapture?

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yes its talking about looking for his second coming which is the rapture ,anyone who's not looking for him is probly not saved and will be lost on the day when the rapture takes place,the bible tell us we are to be watching and waiting for no man knows the day or hour.
---judy on 11/24/07


No, that wasn't the guy.

This guy had a phony doctorate from a phony Florida school, and believed that the book was as infallible as the Bible
---John_T on 11/16/07


**Once I was on live TV, and a guest speaker confidently predicted Jesus would return in 1988.**

Was this the same guy who wrote 88 REASONS WHY THE RAPTURE WILL COME IN 1988? I remember it. Some things (like the diff. between Gregorian and Julian calendars) he had backwards. Others were just silly. (A "solar eclipse of the sun"--as opposed to a lunar eclipse of the sung, I guess.)
---Jack on 11/16/07


I do not believe that there are different classes thus setting aside the Oneness in Christ of the saved..Rev 20 states " This is the First Resurrection".....so there cannot be another resurrection before that. Why? because that is what The Word says, not what any man says.
There are events that must pass before the Lord returns including the falling away, revealing of the son of prediction, the tribulation.
Put aside what you have been TOLD and please read The Word for yourselves.
---Anne on 11/16/07


Where in the scriptures do you find the word rapture?

1 Cor 15:52 tells me that at the LAST trump the dead in Christ shall arise and we all shall be changed.

1 Thes 4:16 says the Lord will descend from heaven with a shout and the dead will rise first, and we which are alive shall follow them to be with the Lord forever.

Matt 25:31 says that when Christ returns he will divide His sheep from the goats. The sheep will be carried to heaven and the goats go to hell.
---trey on 11/15/07




Endtime Christians are to go through the fire of tribulation. God is to choose the creme of the Christian crop. Jesus returns the same way He left and the dead in Christ will rise and the living in Christ is to be caught up. This is the first resurrection. Blessed are those risen in the first resurrection for they shall not see the second death. Christ is to rein for a thousand years. At the end of that time all the dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life. This is the second resurrection.
---Steveng on 11/15/07


.What I strongly disagree about is the ORDER of these events. ---Jack on 11/14/07

I share that belief, but go further. It is the arrogant setting of dates and "signs from events" that I object to.

Once I was on live TV, and a guest speaker confidently predicted Jesus would return in 1988. Unfortunately the stage left no hole for me to crawl into. My presence in stage gave this guy credence.

UGH!!
---John_T on 11/15/07


Jack,
Can you understand that the second coming of Jesus and the "rapture" as defined by Dispensationalists are different?

When you speak of "rapture" you deal with the same convoluted logic of cults to get years from "evenings and morning". The term is not biblical, and not accurate.

I do not have a fail-safe alternative, but I am definately pre mil.
---John_T on 11/14/07


**Nor is there any verses sayin g that Jesus will come pre trib, or that there will be a "rapture".**

The famous passage in 1 Thess of being gathered together to meet the Lord is indeed the Rapture. I've never denied that it will happen. This is supported by other passages of scripture.

What I strongly disagree about is the ORDER of these events. My understanding of the Scripture and early Christian teachers is that indeed the Church will go through the Tribulation.
---Jack on 11/14/07


Carol,

Logically speaking, it is impossible to prove a negative, so the proof has to be on the affirmative: there is a pre-trib rapture.

Problem is, there is not a single verse that says that. Nor is there any verses sayin g that Jesus will come pre trib, or that there will be a "rapture".

Instead, Dispensationalists from Darby on cobble together unrelated verses to make a point.

Since no one knows for sure, NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE
---John_T on 11/13/07




** Jack---show me a verse in scripture that says there WILL NOT be a pre-trib rapture. Also one that tells us that christians will have to go through it.**

I'll give you my verses if you show me ONE VERSE that says that there WILL be a pre-trib rapture.

I believed that delusion too, until God showed me it was false.
---Jack on 11/12/07


Jack---show me a verse in scripture that says there WILL NOT be a pre-trib rapture. Also one that tells us that christians will have to go through it.
---carol on 11/12/07


I don't think the verse can be understood without reading the surrounding passage.
If you take it just as the one verse, I would ask, "What about those who have found jesus already?"
---alan_of_UK on 11/11/07


This is referring to the second advent when Christ will come to earth without being a sin offering to save men He will come as King to reign and put all enemies under His feet.
---Whisper on 11/11/07


The sinners and backsliders won't be looking for Christ's return. Hebrew 9:28 is in reference to Christ return in the last day, Acts 1:11, 3:20-21, Thess 4:15, 2 Tim 4:1. Read further on up in this chapter starting at verse 24, it explains it better if you read it all together.
---Rebecca_D on 11/10/07


It's not talking about a pre-trib rapture, that's for sure.

It refers to His coming to earth as Judge, when we will be gathered to meet Him, as He Himself has made abundantly clear.
---Jack on 11/10/07


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