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Salvation In False Doctrines

If we receive salvation by our faith, what happens if you have faith in false doctrines and don't know it?

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Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

WHAT ARE THESE GENTILES DOING AT A JEWISH SYNAGOGUE ON SABBATH? WHY ARE THEY NOT AT A CHRISTIAN CHURCH ON SUNDAY?

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
WHY WAIT 7 WHOLE DAYS?
WHY NOT JOING WITH THE CHRISTIANS NEXT DAY?

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

WORD OF GOD NOT TAUGHT ON THE FIRST DAY/ SUNDAY?

50+ YEARS AFTER JESUS ALL GATHERING FOR WORSHIP ON THE SABBATH. NONE ON SUNDAYS
---francis on 7/17/10


Then you won't make the cut! If you're holding false doctrines as truth, then you're not seeking clarity from the Word - with diligence. Only by today's standards are the plea of ignorance and the scourge of indolence overlooked, and by default - rewarded! Scripture is revealed by God to you in accordance with your efforts, and that relative to how your heart is with Him. Hence some will have to study harder those doctrines that others may find come easier, and this to prove their worthiness to God. Don't believe for a second that you won't be tested on the false doctrines that you have accepted, even in the briefest of meditations you will be showing God exactly where you stand on the judging of His Word. Be diligent.
---John_II on 7/17/10


francis - //show any verse that says the apostles taught anyone to reverence any day other than the sabbath. Show one ASSEMBLE ON SUNDAY MORNING OR EVENING FOR WORSHIP.

What we know of the Apostles teachings comes primarily from their immediate successors. They did not teach adherence to laws that were strictly Jewish in nature.

And that is why even SDA church historians (Samuele Bachiocchi, et. al.) and others can point to research that clearly supports the fact that Gentile churches by the end of the first century no longer obsereved the Jewish Sabbath.

Your is a minority viewpoint and why it is so, is simply because it has little or no support either in Scripture or in church history.
---leej on 7/16/10


francis - //unless you have such a text I will not be responding to you anymore on this subject. Wasting my time.

You are wasting your time fighting against the truth of these matters as you are incapable of doing your own research being too dependent upon your bias mentors.

I rather doubt if anyone really cares as long as your hold Christ as your lord and attempt to follow Him. Not everyone that has been called of Him, is capable of eating meat preferring to stay with the milk diet.

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
---leej on 7/16/10


leej
show any verse that says the apostles taught anyone to reverence any day other than the sabbath. Show one ASSEMBLE ON SUNDAY MORNING OR EVENING FOR WORSHIP.

Find ONE verse or hint that says LORD's day is anything other than sabbath.
ALL BIBLE/ SCRIPTURE references show LORD's DAY is sabbath.

No such thing as JEWISH SABBATH in the entire Bible.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath,from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable,

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the SABBATH OF THE LORD thy God ( NOT JEWISH SABBATH )

unless you have such a text I will not be responding to you anymore on this subject. Wasting my time.
---francis on 7/16/10




francis//Did you compare TRADITIONAL THINGS with the things of God? You are kidding right?

You may have been taught traditions are bad, but you would find some traditions are commanded of His church.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

And one tradition the successors of the Apostles has taught was for Christians to meet on the Lord's Day for worship & instruction, not on the Jewish Sabbath.

And that made sense as only the Jewish religion observed the OT Sabbath, while Sunday was the day of rest in restof the world. To impose the Jewish Sabbath onto the Gentiles would certainly have hindered the spread of the gospel.
---leej on 7/16/10


Yes, I believe that such things as mode of baptism, the eucharist, and other things that are more traditional are issues that one can have different views on.
---leej on 7/16/10

Did you compare TRADITIONAL THINGS with the things of God? You are kidding right?

Where in the bible does the word of God give preference to any one doctrine over another?
---francis on 7/16/10


//All I can say is this: I follow God in every single things. no one doctrine or precpt has any more weight than another to me.
Any wieghtier to you

Yes, I believe that such things as mode of baptism, the eucharist, and other things that are more traditional are issues that one can have different views on.
---leej on 7/16/10


leej on 7/14/10

All I can say is this: I follow God in every single things. no one doctrine or precpt has any more weight than another to me.
Any wieghtier to you?

MIMA
Do you really believe that this was a first time encounter between this guy on the cross and Jesus?

He knows enough to call Jesus lord.
He knows enough to know that salvation is by this Jesus.
He knows enough to know that this man dying next to him will inherit a kingdom.
He knows that Jesus must die and be resurrected otherwise how else is Jesus getting a kingdom.
He knows that he himself must be resurrected or how else doe she get into the kingdom.
He knows that salvation is by grace through faith.
---francis on 7/15/10


franis -Did i answer your question?

While I agree with you the word of God is to be our guide, there are certain things basic to the Christian faith and walk.

Must we for instance, hold to the traditional view of the Trinity - that there is one God in three, all equal?

And what about those dietary laws? Must be restrict our food to certain types of foods? Is the Levitical food laws appicable?

And the Sabbath which is nowhere commanded of Christians in the New Covenant of the Church. Is such observance necessary for salvation?

And baptism? must it be by immersion or other methods? infant baptism? Is the Eucharistic necessary for our salvation?

Membership in a church?
---leej on 7/14/10




The following is very well put together and will test and strain all that do not believe that salvation rests solely in Christ.

"Why was the thief promised Paradise. Was it for following the 10 Commandments, a doctrine that prior he was well aware of? No...he admitted his guilt. Then, what got the thief a pass to Paradise? It was then he realized what was said prior and that salvation is in Christ, the fulfillment of the law and prophets."
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10
---mima on 7/14/10


francis - I would ask the question as to what beliefs or doctrines are really essential to our salvation.
leej on 7/14/10
Deuteronomy 8:3 Athat he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction IN RIGHTEOUSNESS:


Did i answer your question?
---francis on 7/14/10


francis - I would ask the question as to what beliefs or doctrines are really essential to our salvation.

Since scripture tells us we have eternal life only by believing in Christ, what would happen if we believed it was not essential to observe certain days as holy days?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

No qualifiers on the above verses.

The righteous shall live by faith (not by law). Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:11
---leej on 7/14/10


Let me give you an example of where faith in false doctrines cna lead to hell, even if you get salvation by faith.

Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers, believe [it] not.

those in false doctrines will go, and follow the false messiah.
---francis on 7/13/10


If one believes in false doctrines then one would not be looking in the right direction. the old saying red sky in the morning sailor take warning, red sky at night sailors delight, If you believed the opposit one might end up in alot of trouble.
---mike on 7/10/10


aka.joseph-Another AMEN- to you brother.
///Why was the thief promised Paradise. Was it for following the 10 Commandments, a doctrine that prior he was well aware of? No...he admitted his guilt. Then, what got the thief a pass to Paradise? It was then he realized what was said prior and that salvation is in Christ, the fulfillment of the law and prophets.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10///

Jesus Quotes Ps 22 on the Cross.
Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing,and hearing by the Word of God.

The malefactor witness the Word before Him-realize he is In His presence.

Wow-Awesome!
---char on 7/10/10


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That would mean that those who look for a pre-trib pre-mill rapture don't have a chance, doesn't it?
---Cluny on 7/9/10


//I absolutely 100% do not believe that this was a chance meeting and the thieves did have prior knowledge of Jesus//

sorry

I absolutely 100% believe that this was not a chance meeting and the thieves did have prior knowledge of Jesus.

In fact, I would say that is the story of us all. With prior knowledge, accept or reject no matter how 'good' we are.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10


Aka, that was a great answer brother. Very well put.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


I absolutely 100% do not believe that this was a chance meeting and the thieves did have prior knowledge of Jesus. 1) The Pharisees mocked Jesus for hanging out with publicans and thieves. 2) There was no time that Jesus addressed the two malefactors, so there was no record of Him speaking while on the cross to them prior to His promise of paradise.

Why was the thief promised Paradise. Was it for following the 10 Commandments, a doctrine that prior he was well aware of? No...he admitted his guilt. Then, what got the thief a pass to Paradise? It was then he realized what was said prior and that salvation is in Christ, the fulfillment of the law and prophets.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10


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Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Do you really believe that this was a first time encounter between this guy on the cross and Jesus?

He knows enough to call Jesus lord.
He knows enough to know that salvation is by this Jesus.
He knows enough to know that this man dying next to him will inherit a kingdom.
He knows that Jesus must die and be resurrected otherwise how else is Jesus getting a kingdom.
He knows that he himself must be resurrected or how else doe she get into the kingdom.
He knows that salvation is by grace through faith.

I could go onto 126 words, but this post stops at 125
---FRANCIS on 7/9/10


///have faith that the Lord will sufficiently be able to sort that out when examining a man's heart. The 8th commandment breaker on the cross was promised paradise, and he had only the doctrine of thievery////

Very well put -aka.joseph on 7/8/10

AMEN-bless you brother.
---char on 7/9/10


//If we receive salvation by our faith, what happens if you have faith in false doctrines and don't know it?//

I have faith that the Lord will sufficiently be able to sort that out when examining a man's heart. The 8th commandment breaker on the cross was promised paradise, and he had only the doctrine of thievery.

I know SDAs may have a lot to say about that, and that is good. However, I do not paticipate in doctrinal arguments like most do here. I know that may seem unfair, but it is mainly because of my belief in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph.
---aka.joseph on 7/8/10


THE PLAN OF SALVATION:

Repent (of your sins)God will give you new desires to Not desire to sin.

Believe Jesus died as payment for you & he paid to cleanse you of all of your sins.

Receive the gift of Jesus into your heart as LORD (over your life) & Savior.

You're accepted in heaven & have eternal life.

Ceremonies honoring Him:
Baptism, Communion
---DM on 7/8/10


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If we receive salvation by our faith, what happens if you have faith in false doctrines and don't know it?

Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
---francis on 7/8/10


John's Gospel Chapter 1 states that Jesus the "Light", "lighteth every man that cometh into the world." (John 1:9) It is my belief that every person has opportunity in life by God's Grace to come to the Light of Christ. But man makes choices. If he has faith in something false in the day of visitation (God's drawing influence) that person must make a choice between the Light or "my own way".

If the Son of man be lifted up he will "draw all men". However that does not mean they will receive Him. (Christ)
---H.R._Green_Jr. on 7/5/10


There is many who believe they are saved but are not because they have believed in a wrong doctrine. Wrong gospel is one of the reasons. If someone believes in universalism, that everyone is saved, that is a false doctrine, because the gospel teaches that not all will be saved. Many other examples can be made. Another wrong doctrine is when you believe that you can do so many works to earn your way into the kingdom of God. That too is a wrong doctrine. Works never saved anyone. The grace of God does.
---MarkV. on 6/29/10


Fay, you are talking about unbelief, and I said you needed to read Scripture because you forgot to put Mark 6:5 because you said,
"Even Jesus did not many mighty works in certain areas because of the unbelief. Mat 13:58" It sure didn't stop Him from healing people in unbelief in Mark 6:5 where it says,
Now He could do no mighty works there, except that He laid His hands on the few sick people and healed them. And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teachings"
Sounds like you want everyone to hear you, but only those who I have spoken against will support you, even if you are wrong. Word of Faith teachers are false teachers.
---MarkV. on 6/28/10


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MarkV, you have control of this site & you will pay the penalty someday for your lying about hermeneutics being their own religion & for covering up your lie.

To everyone else, including moderators, etc. I have revealed the truth about MarkV's "religion". There comes a time when everyone must see the truth & the truth here is that this site is overrun by MarkV's religion which is full of unbelief. Even Jesus did not many mighty works in certain areas because of the unbelief. Mat 13:58 So, this is where I shake the dust from my feet as a testimony against your unbelief. Mat 10:14, Mrk 6:11, Lk 9:5.
---fay on 6/28/10


earl, you seem to be under the impression that these two are at odds with each other, that one is wrong and one is right. That there are founational errors and contradictions in the Bible.
I tell you that they are not at odds and when you receive the correct interpretations of this, the blind will see.
---micha9344 on 6/27/10


Which is true?Paul's atonement doctrine or the answer Jesus gave the lawyer when he asked how he can have eternal life?
---earl on 6/26/10


If we receive salvation by our faith, what happens if you have faith in false doctrines and don't know it?

It is called deception.
Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.

When one is deceived he or she practices contrary to the will of God, that is sin
---francis on 6/24/10


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//...it is not faith which saves lost souls. It is the Blood.//

For once, I agree with you. The blood of Jesus purchased our redemption and cleansed us from sin. Faith in that blood comes to rest in the mercy seat where it is sprinkled. All men believe in some thing, whether it be God, themselves, or some other, but apart from the blood of Jesus, there is no remission of sin. Faith applies what has been accomplished by Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection.
---Linda on 6/23/10


Catherine, you say a lot of things that are wrong and I never question many of them but here I have to question what you said,
"It is not and I repeat it is not faith which saves lost souls. It is the Blood."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. What saves lost souls is God's Grace through faith. The blood takes care of your sins. The works of Jesus on the Cross, the blood He spilled was to take away your sins for rebelling against God.
God's draws the lost soul to Himself, by the power of the Holy Spirit to bring you to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Without that drawing you continue the path you were in.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/10


It is not and I repeat it is not faith which saves lost souls. It is the Blood. Everyone has faith in what they believe. But not everyone has the Blood of Jesus Christ. Now, on to your question: Always be asking God for forgiveness of your sins. You should know false doctrines.
---catherine on 6/23/10


Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

God word is above all his name. WHich means that God will never change his word. God will never say " I am God so I can change my words."

This gives us assurance in any and everything God says. Therefore, any denomination, or religion that teaches anything different from what God says is a false church.

The problem is this: people are are deceived do not know that they are deceived. Eve herself having never sinned, did not know that she was being deceived.

Look around you this sunday and then SEE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR STARTERS
---francis on 6/23/10


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Paul says in Gal.1:6-8 he was amazed that they so soon turned from the Gospel of Grace to a perverted Gospel that combined, Law and Grace, and that person or persons who teaches that be cursed. He goes on to say in Vs 14, that he profited in the jews religion. The perverted Gospel was Judaism(Law) being mixed with Chritianity (Grace)
---michael_e on 6/23/10


Bob --Common sense is not uncommon. but it is rarely found in those who lead public lives.
Common sense is born of everyday experiences of success and failure, trying what works and what doesn't...and working hard in both cases. Trying again and again until you get it right...and not forgetting what made it "right".
Academia seldom understands it, Harvard can't teach it. It is called "Common" sense because most who possess it are "common" men.
---Donna66 on 6/23/10


MARKV

Wheni was young i was a member of the RCC, once i turned 14 and started to read the bible on mu own, especially the ten commandments, i soon realize dthat the church ws infact teaching false doctrines.

Many people in different church will easily realize that they are involvedin false doctrines once the read the ten commandments.

THE FOURTH COMMANDMENTS SAYS KEEP THE 7TH DAY HOLY.
MOST FALSE CHURCHES DO THE FIRST DAY IN APOSTACY (OPPOSED TO GODS LAWS)
2 Timothy 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---francis on 6/23/10


Francis, what did you mean by,
"But those of us who have read the bible, and especially the ten commandments, and continue to allow ourself to be deveived will burn in hell."
you did not word it right or something. I could not get what you meant.

Concerning doctrines, I am with Donna66 on this, many doctrines are not essential to the Christian faith, so believing them is not that important. But the gospel doctrines unto salvation is essential to our faith.
Having a different Jesus then that of the Bible is also a wrong doctrine. And if you place yourself under the law, you will have to do the whole law. No one but Jesus has kept the whole law.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/10


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Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Those who are ignotant will be saved.

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)


But those of us who have read the bible, and especially the ten commandments, and continue to allow ourself to be deveived will burn in hell.
---francis on 6/22/10


Well, it depends on what you mean by "false doctrine". There are some people who believe that faith+ baptism confers salvation. I don't. I know how people were baptized in the Bible, but if you sprinkle, I don't believe your salvation is in jeopardy.
The same with the Lord's supper. I don't believe that the bread and "wine" are anything but symbolic. But if you believe they become holy in themselves, I don't think you are hell-bound.
I don't condemn those who don't happen to agree with me about everything.

The false doctrines that matter to me are those that teach things about the nature of God and Salvation that seem contrary to Scripture. As I see it, THESE are the ones that put a soul in danger.
---Donna66 on 6/22/10


If you put your faith in false doctrine, you are lost and ignorance won't save you.
Our Apostle Paul makes it so plain in his Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4 that a child can understand it.
---michael_e on 6/22/10


Being obedient & have faith to receive The Salvation of God which Is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 came to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost. Matt.7 v 14.

There is NO salvation of God in false doctrines.
The Man-made trin - relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc teach salvation plans once saved always saved, easy believism, no works salvation the sinners prayer etc Are All Lies & is here, Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor,11 v's 14 - 15 & end up here Rev.17 v's 4 - 6. Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, the lake of fire.
---Lawrence on 6/22/10


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Bob, a while ago I searched for the phrase "comon sense" in the dictionary and it said: "Discontinued"
---Caring on 11/15/07


Why is common sense so uncommon?
---Bob on 11/15/07


You believe in Oneness, don't you, catherine?
---Bob on 11/15/07


Alot of it is just old fashion common since. Get close to the Lord thy God. And listen to Him. Also, study, study, and study somemore. Just reading the word of God and memorizing scripture is not studying. Don't forget to bring along the Person of the Holy Spirit. Ask God for Revelation. This is like light bulbs going off all around you and you will feel like jumping off the couch right into the arms of your Savior, Jesus Christ. Now you know something. EXCITING.++
---catherine on 11/15/07


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Trinity Quiz

15. The Holy Spirit is God.

The correct answer is True.


Acts 5:3-4 - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

The Holy Spirit is God



---Bob on 11/14/07


Yes, that happens, as well as spiritual madness. And I'm not talking about mental disabilites.
I'm talking madness and a spiritual state of confusion that overtakes the mind. A deception that requires a deliverance to come out of it.
If you've ever known anyone thats a dyed in the wool UPC/Oneness church group member, without a deliverance, it's difficult for them to be set free from this bondage.
---Bob on 11/14/07


Bob, My sister got involved in a similar church that denied the Holy Spirit and it has led her on a downward spiral. She eventually rejected it but also rejected God altogether. She is an avid athiest today.
---robin8683 on 11/14/07


Do you have a sound mind?
Without God's power of the Holy Spirit is your mind sound?
---Bob on 11/14/07


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Here's a litmus test for Oneness believers.
What's really going on in your life?
Are you falling apart at the seams?
What's going on in your marriage and with your children?

Receiving the Holy Spirit, a legitimate spiritual transference.
The devil wants you to believe the Holy Spirit is not God. He will have an opening to mess with your heart and your life.
---Bob on 11/14/07


If you are in Oneness Church right now, you are blinded. You will find false tongues, false gifts and most of it will be from natural perceptions - out of your head.
There are two popular Oneness preachers that I will not name, who have serious trouble in their families right now. I believe that if they were not teaching that the Holy Spirit is not God, the Holy Spirit would have been able to keep them from these very serious sins.
---Bob on 11/14/07


The Bible doesn't tell me exactly how much slack he gives to those who are suffering with severe mental illness, brain damage, etc. God is Sovereign, and He is Just.
We know God loves children, the Bible says so.
Better a millstone be tied around your neck than to hurt one of His children.
If minds don't progress beyond children, we know how much God loves them.
---Bob on 11/14/07


If you do not believe that the Holy Spirit is God, from that very moment that you receive that lie, all the rest of your theology will be launched from this dangerous lie.
You will be open to receiving a counterfeit spirit, believing you have received the Holy Spirit. This is the grave danger of Oneness.
---Bob on 11/14/07


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If you are Oneness and you do not repent and renounce this false doctrine, you will be easily led astray. You will tempted in your flesh to continually stray back to the old man's sin nature. You will fight with yourself, maybe even beat yourself up, because you don't have the authentic power of the Holy Spirit to keep you from falling down or completely away from God.
---Bob on 11/14/07


Oneness is one of the most serious false doctrines that the arch-deceiver would like you to receive.
He can once again, place you in spiritual bondage for the rest of your life.
Anyone who has ever come out of a UPC Oneness splinter, fringe group church will tell you that it required a deliverance from this false doctrine to be set free. It will handicap you, bind you up in legalism and believing you have received the Holy Spirit when you really did not. That's the lie and that's the danger.
---Bob on 11/14/07


God's Word says that His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Not your knowledge but His knowledge.

Knowledge of His Son, Jesus Christ, who died for our sins. Because of the Blood of Jesus, the person who repents of their sin, receives Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, can receive the free gift of salvation.
---Bob on 11/14/07


With knowledge comes responsibility.
You are now responsible for knowing that for the rest of your days on earth, you are to turn away from sin by repentence and asking for God's forgiveness of sin.
You do not get a free ride from the moment you receive Jesus Christ.
---Bob on 11/14/07


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Loving God and loving your neighbor.
New agers and pagans do that. That will not save your soul.

Everything that the Christian receives from God is by faith. It is spiritual. There is a transference - Spirit to spirit.
---Bob on 11/14/07


It probably depends on just how "bad" the doctrine is.

No church is perfect - ALL have flaws. Just like no food is perfect. You can get useful nutrititon from imperfect food (hamburgers will make you fat and increase your cholesterol, but they will also keep you from starving).

It ultimately depends on whether the errors detract from what is REALLY important - loving God and loving our neighbor. In the Final Judgment, that is what REALLY matters.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/07


If we could see their reality, what would we find?
Are they fighting constant temptations to stray, commit adultery in their marriages?
Would we find other temptations that keep from seeing victory?
Ever learning, repeating their first year of Christianity, over and over?
If we had a bird's eye view into the real vs. make believe lives of those who follow false doctrines, would we really see lives that are changed? Is the carnal old man still in charge?
---Bob on 11/13/07


Would the evidence be there that the heart was changed? From darkness to light.
Has the world lost it's appeal and shine, or continually tempted and drawn back into it when 'no one' is looking.
If you are a believer in false doctrines, it's doubtful that you are saved.
---Bob on 11/13/07


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When you take your vehicle to the garage for a tuneup, the church should be able to detect where the problems are.
Do you need an oil change? Are you a quart low?
The Holy Spirit can fill you to overflowing.

Did someone put faulty parts/gospels into your engine at a back alley garage?
Those have to be removed and replaced with parts that come straight from the factory - God.
---Bob on 11/13/07


With a dead battery, your vehicle will die along the road.
The Holy Spirit is the power behind the jumper cables.
He can get you up and running, smoothly.

God the Creator puts out top of the line vehicles. Jesus Christ saves your vehicle from being driven off of a cliff into the deep abyss.
The Holy Spirit is the power than runs your vehicle and keeps you from burning out before your reach your final destination.
---Bob on 11/13/07


False doctrines, false prophets, are the potholes, sinkholes, dropoffs, icy patches along the highway.
If you fall into one, others will fall right behind you, may even be a major pile up.

But don't take any comfort there, get out of your vehicle and run for safety. Pile ups are dangerous, they can kill you.
---Bob on 11/13/07


The church should be a place where the lost, troubled, downtrodden, orphan, widow - anyone and everyone can find Truth.

The 'clinic' with the gift of discerning of spirits can detect false gospels, false prophets, counterfeit spirits and lies.

It would be interesting to observe the lives of those that believe in false gospels, how all aspects of their daily lives are going.
---Bob on 11/13/07


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2)."These things have I written unto you that you believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know you have eternal life". And that you may know that you can trust in, depend and rely on, and confidently adhere to the authority and character of Word of God. "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved." Refs. 1John 5:9-13>Rom.10:9>Also see John 3:16-21. Salvation's truths.
---josef on 11/13/07


1). "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He that believes (relies and depends) on the Son of God has witness in himself: he that believes (Trust) not God has made Him a liar, because he believes not the record that God gave of His Son. And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He that has the Son has life, he that has not the Son has not life." Cont.
---josef on 11/13/07


Jesus said that if we abide in His word, we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free...
Those that believe false doctrine do so because they don't abide in His word. They don't love truth and don't seek it. If they do open the Bible, it is to look for ways to justify the lies they love. They twist scripture to do this. They believe the lies Satan has perpetuated and will be condemned and perish with Satan.
---robin8683 on 11/12/07


They are condemned and perish. Why? Because they did not have a love for the truth, and thus did not seek truth nor accept it when it was presented to them.
See 2 Thess 2:9-12
---robin8683 on 11/12/07


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The Bible simply states it like this: MY people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge. Many have fallen into false traps of the doctrines of devils, Many clergy preaching some truths mixed with lies are in the pit of hell even now. Even those that think of themselves as Christians and say I am ready, even now come quickly Lord will be STUNNED, when the Lord returns and they are not included in the rapture.
---Whisper on 11/11/07


Salvation is only granted by God's initiated actions not in response to man's actions and he made the decision before the creation of the world. Those predestined to be in the family of God shall be and those who were not selected will never be. Paul made this clear in Ephes. Chapter one.
---Phil_the_Elder on 11/11/07


abby,we receive salvation thru jesus.we hear the message then believe we are sinners in need of saving then repent and accept the message of salvation thru jesus then by faith live as his disciples.our faith is in jesus,not in the words or doctrines of men.
---tom2 on 11/11/07


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