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Jehovah Witnesses Differences

When Jehovah's Witnesses call at my door I find that they wish to side-step issues on which we disagree and want to emphasise our similarities. What would you say are the major differences between Christianity and the gospel of J.W.s and how do you deal with them when they call?

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Ouch!Someones been schooled!! I think Scott just kidneyed puched with the concordance! nice one.
---dep on 4/16/10


Rod4Him, Sorry, meant Lev. 17:14 not 17:10.
---scott on 4/16/10


Which translation? in this case. Complete Jewish Bible, this was specifically written to the Jews, New American Standard, and New International.

First, there is only one kind of blood in many kinds, manners, species of animals. So, rather than listing all the different animals, the Bible says "kinds, or manner."

Second, do you bring the animal to the tabernacle?

Thanks Michael for your research. You are right.

David, as Scott said, //If you are unable to back-up your claim then, in reality, your honesty is in question and not mine.//
---Rod4Him on 4/16/10


David, you gave Leviticus 17:10, Now was God having trouble with people because their was vampires around? Were people eating other people? Were the Israelites sacrificing children or adults and eating their blood?
None of that was happening at the time. There was no transfusions going on. And of course God was not talking about the blood of the women every month that people were eating.
What the people were doing was sacrificing animals and the blood represented atonement. That miss interpretation cause my sister her life. Did it ever cause your children or wife their lifes?
---MarkV. on 4/16/10


"Eating any manner of blood" bears no relationship to blood transfusions. One is to satisfy hunger, the other is to save a life. Blood, in the first case, enters the stomach where it is broken down. During transfusion, it enters the bloodstream where it builds up the blood supply diminished by bleeding.

Just out of curiosity, Do JW's eat meat?
The Jews eat Kosher, which means the animal (not pork or shellfish) is ceremonially drained of blood before being prepared as food. Do Jehovah's Witnesses follow a similar custom?
---Donna66 on 4/16/10




Rod4Him- Leviticus 17:10

'...that eateth any manner of blood, I will even set my face against that soul...' - King James.

'...that eateth any manner of blood, I will set my face against that soul...' - American Standard Version.

'If any Israelite or alien settled in Israel eats any blood, I will set my face against the eater...' - The New English Bible.

'If any man of the House of Israel or stranger living among you eats blood of any kind, I will set my face against the man who has eaten the blood...' - The Jerusalem Bible.

Which translation are you reading?
---David8318 on 4/16/10


Rod4Him, Regarding Lev. 17:14-

"Ye shall eat the blood of (basar) no manner of flesh." KJV

Hebrew "basar"

Strong's Concordance:

1) flesh
a) of the body
1) of humans
2) of animals
b) the body itself
c) male organ of generation (euphemism)
d) kindred, blood-relations
e) flesh as frail or erring (man against God)
f) all living things
g) animals
h) mankind
---scott on 4/16/10


SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA
Number of people living with HIV 2008: 22.4 million.
A small percentage of prevalent HIV infections in sub-Saharan Africa is estimated to stem from unsafe injections in medical settings. In an analysis in 2004, it was estimated that unsafe injections and the use of other contaminated skin piercing instruments accounted for 2.5% of all
HIV infections in the region.
(with blood transfusions only less than 1%)
World Health Organization website.
---MIchael on 4/16/10


David, //I'm simply pointing out the Bible injunction on the use of blood, an issue previously raised. Leviticus 17 prohibits the use of 'any sort of blood'.//

I just reread Lev. 17. It says "not to eat the blood of animals."
---Rod4Him on 4/16/10


In response to Elder's comments (4/15/10), the founder of modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses never named this wheat nor profited from it.

The public press reported on an unusual strain of wheat, called 'Miracle Wheat' named by its original grower.

The Watchtower ran an article along with a government report on it. Some Watchtower readers contacted the grower, who was in no way connected with Jehovah's Witnesses, and purchased some of the wheat. When theirs produced seed they offered it as a contribution to the Watchtower.

The only critics were those who have no real knowledge of the matter, which was purely a donation sale for the benefit of the Watchtower- as open and aboveboard as a church cake sale.
---David8318 on 4/16/10




Rod4Him, no I'm not a doctor and neither have I said I am or offered medical advice. MarkV made a broad generalised statement regarding his opinion on the medical use of blood as if he were qualified to do so.

I'm simply pointing out the Bible injunction on the use of blood, an issue previously raised. Leviticus 17 prohibits the use of 'any sort of blood'. Thus the Bible's prohibition regarding blood includes both human and animal blood. Carried forward in Acts 15.

People die during operations that's true, but there's no Biblical injunction restricting operations or seeking medical advice.

I'm highlighting the fact that blood is dangerous, that its use is prohibited in the Bible and that there are safer medical alternatives.
---David8318 on 4/16/10


The religion is a cult from the very core. It's founder Charles Russels, a former Presbyterian began reading the material of Ellen White and begin a Bible study together with six people.
**************
MarkV. I'm a bible student whom has Charles T.Russells teachings. He was not the "founder". Judge Rutherford brought the witnesses. After Russell died & rutherford took over the bible students broke off in at least 2 seperate directions. 1 remains with whom I'm associating with, the bible students, the other went & followed RUTHERFORD & changed their names to Jehovah's Witnesses years later.
---blessedsister on 4/16/10


PT 2:
MarkV,
I donot support the Witnesses.I have been with their congregation off/on for 5 years. I was what they call "unbaptized publisher" for 1 month & felt uncomfortable, not at the witnessing,but at the part where we have to be interviewed to become a publisher or baptized. I am happy with the bible students using a KJV bible, not the NWT, or other translations I please. We are smaller in congregation wise locally, but overall God has a place for me, & showed me Charles Russell was a voice for him,like others in other churches. As posted earlier we celebrate holidays,birthdays, etc.. Godbless.
---blessedsister on 4/16/10


David, blood transfusions kept my dad alive for several years. He had some kind of leukemia. What would you have suggested? Are you a doctor?

How many people are saved by having transfusions verses those who die from it? From your reasoning, some people die by having operations, therefore, people shouldn't have operations.

Obviously, when the Bible was written, transfusions were not thought of being performed. So, to impose your doctrine into the Bible is a major stretch.

I give blood regularly to help save lives. Christ gave His for me, how could I do less for someone else?
---Rod4Him on 4/16/10


MarkV, yes I have faced a medical decision involving blood. There are always medical alternatives to blood. By the way, are you a doctor? What medical qualifications do you hold, or what medical situation do you refer when you say- 'blood saves lives'?

The W.H.O. reports for Africa where HIV is transmitted to a minimum of 500,000 people per year through unsafe medical injections and blood transfusions.

'In Sub-Sahara Africa, 24.5 million people live with HIV. As many as 10% contracted the disease from infected blood during blood transfusions.'

That's 2,450,000 lives destroyed by blood transfusions. Lives that may have been saved if non-blood medical management had been used. Acts 15:28.
---David8318 on 4/16/10


If as Eloy suggests Jesus is 'the Alpha and the Omega' (Rev.1:8), how is it that 'the Alpha and the Omega' became the Messiah, or 'anointed one'?

Why did satan then try to tempt 'the Alpha and the Omega' just after His baptism? (Mt.4:1-10) Why did God need to be anointed with HolySpirit to become the Christ?

Of course this is absurd and highlights the anti-Christ nature of the trinity. The truth is Jesus is not Jehovah, creator or 'the Alpha and Omega'.

Jesus is the 'son of God'. Jesus was anointed by Jehovah with HolySpirit and became the Christ.

The trinity is anti-Christ philosophy. The Hellenic, Neo-platonic trinity has no place in scripture.
---David8318 on 4/16/10


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The uncompromised truth is the best policy. Jesus is very clear when he identitfies who he is, and his own indentity, to where there is no controversy. There are not three Gods, but only one. Jesus says: "I and Father are one. He that sees me sees him that sent me. Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me because of the very miracles' sake. You all call me The Lord, indeed you all say well, for I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty. I am from above, I am not of this world: If you all believe not that I AM, you all will die in your sins."
---Eloy on 4/15/10


"the watchtower insists the convert separates themselves from their family." warwick 4-12

Unless you can provide a wt citation for this (regardless of your personal experience) your charge is simply false. If you are unable to back-up your claim then, in reality, your honesty is in question and not mine.

Still not holding my breath.
---scott on 4/15/10


David, you speak very boltly that is not becoming of a true Jehovah Witness. You speak as if you had lost a son or daughter because you refuse the blood that could save them. Until you are put in that position to refuse for your child or wife the blood necessary for them to live, you don't have the right to tell others that more life's are lost due to egnoring some passages. In fact the blood talked about in Scripture was not about human blood. Those people were not speaking about human blood since there is no mention of cannabalism or blood transfusions happening at the time.
You can talk all you want and give Mattew 10:22, a passage every denomination gives when people expose their false doctrines.
---MarkV. on 4/15/10


David the JWs do not have a Christian duty to do. Their founder was a crook who sold "Miracle wheat" to unsuspecting farmers. Their "salvation" is not that of the Word of God.
They pervert the Word of God for their purpose like so many other cults.
---Elder on 4/15/10


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Jesus is Jhwh, and Yhwh is Yeshuah. The J.W.s do not call. The last time they came into my house was when I lived in California, I told them that Jesus is Jehovah, and showed them Isaiah 9:6, and John 14:8,9, and Revelation 1:8. They said "We will have to take this back to kingdom hall", and they never called again.
---Eloy on 4/15/10


Heb 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
2Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
---MIchael on 4/14/10


Scott you missed the forest for the trees my friend. Billy Graham, Pat Robertson or Jack Van Impe are not leaders of denominations that have printed and lead followers to believe, study and prepare for Armeggedon or the second coming on consecutive errant predictions including 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994. Still, Russell and the Watchtower Society bore ahead with a perverted gospel.

The suggestion that Billy Graham and JW witness have any common ground in truth is, for lack of a better word, absurd.

God bless.
---larry on 4/14/10


The vehemence expressed by many here show that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing their Christian duty in highlighting religious errors such as trinity, hellfire and immortal soul doctrines.

The Bible doesn't teach the Neo-platonic trinity. The trinity is anti-Christ. If Jesus is God, how can God be the 'anointed one'? Who 'anointed' God to become the Messiah? You cannot be a trinitarian and a Christian, they are a contradiction in terms.

JW's follow Bible injunctions concerning blood, such as Lev.17:10-12 and Acts 15:28. More people die due to ignoring these Bible passages than those who do not. True Christians are obedient to God and his Word even in the face of death.

Everything Warwick has said about JW's is false.
---David8318 on 4/14/10


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In answer to the bloggers question, there are no differences between Christianity and Jehovah's Witnesses.

Jehovah's Witnesses worship the True God Jehovah (Psalm 83:18, YHWH) and have full faith and obedience in the 'Son of God', Jesus Christ as King of God's Kingdom, and as their leader, ransomer and redeemer.

Jehovah's Witnesses conduct a public ministry and call at your door in obedience to Christ's command at Matthew 24:14- 'And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations...'

As a consequence of their worldwide preaching activity, Jesus warned his true disciples that they would 'be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name.' Mt.10:22.
---David8318 on 4/14/10


Scott I think you are being dishonest. Your passionate defence of this evil cult is couched in terms, and uses information whichvarious JW leaders have thrown at me over the decades.

From my long experience it is fact that the Watchtower Society breaks up families by disfellowshipping members for disobeying one of the many petty rules. An extension of that rule is that new converts are made to separate from their 'unsaved' families.

I utterly reject the nonsensical idea that my 30+ years experience with JW leadership and the poor souls they ensnare, is personal opinion.

Of course I am not "a reliable source of information," simply because I oppose you!

How many sad people have you disfellowshipped?
---Warwick on 4/14/10


Scott, what you said about the websites is true, a lot of false information. But learning from the main source I know first hand what they taught about the world around them. As Warwick mentioned, they are not to associate with those outside of the denomination. The religion is a cult from the very core. It's founder Charles Russels, a former Presbyterian began reading the material of Ellen White and begin a Bible study together with six people. From there it was all down hill.
To the J.W. Jesus is not God, but a little god. He is not eternal He is a created being. In order to follow their teachings they revised the Bible and called it the New World Translation. They changed many of the passages language to fit their purpose.
---MarkV. on 4/14/10


"Do a Google search on "doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses". Jody

A Google search for just about any denomination, even 'Christianity' itself will result in 100s of sites with highly negative and prejudicial views.

One psychologist recently commented on the unreliable testimony of those who have broken away from or 'aposticized' from any particular group.

There are numerous sites that (attempt to) undermine the accuracy and validity of God's word (no matter what translation you prefer). Some sites suggest that Christ was not an actual historical person, or that he was married with kids, etc.

Are those opinions true just because they are on the web?
---scott on 4/14/10


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Larry,

Would you refer to Billy Graham as 'pathetic' for his failed end-time prediction?

What about all of the others (from various denominations) that have made failed predictions over the years?
---scott on 4/14/10


warwick,

"Denied being JW" I'm not JW. But happy to call many of them my friends.

"My experience of the JW's is first-hand." And of course it is your arrogance and self-righteous posturing that somehow suggests your personal experience is more valid than my 'first-hand' experience.

"Date and page number." If you can't back up your assertion with facts or documentation, it simply becomes one more in a long list of grandiose personal opinions.

You've not (in my humble opinion) proven to be a reliable source of information on a number of important theological issues. I wouldn't expect you to posses any particular clarity on this.
---scott on 4/14/10


Scott are you the Scott who previously denied being JW?

I wrote "Scott, my experience of the JW's is first-hand, personal experience, and over 30+ years. Over and over I have seen unwitting people snared by this cult and all of them were told to separate from their families. They were told they could not attend the Christian church their families attend. In contrast Christians are free to attend other churches."

Therefore your question "Warwick, Date and page number please," is nonsensical. Date and page number for my 30+ years experience???

Date and page number for what?

What are the Watchtower rules, and effects of disfellowshipping Scott? Do you know the date and page number for this?
---Warwick on 4/14/10


Do a Google search on "doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses". They are a false religion/gospel. The poor individuals who have been duped into believing and well taught on how to argue their beliefs, really believe that they have the only "TRUTH". My Bible tells me to have nothing to do with them. I do not allow them to stay on my property or engage with them at all anymore. I used to try to change them until I figured out that it was a waste of time and a door for Satan to enter my house. Do not misunderstand, as I am not rude or ugly towards them but very direct.
---jody on 4/13/10


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Scott, I ditto MarkV and Warwick. JW is dangerous stuff and nothing less than souls that could perish are at stake.
The cults of the Watchtower, Scientology and Mormonism have claimed many a lost soul and we must witness to release the chains of bondage in Christ name at every opportunity.

God allows for leaders to rise and fall, but Mitt Romney would be the first president to be an overt member of a cult. This is spiritual warfare against the faith of many of our founding fathers and another reason to drive us to our knees.

Make no mistake, the battle against cults is serious spiritual warfare.

God bless.
---larry on 4/13/10


MarkV,

I'm sorry for your unfortunate experience, but one family's personal experience does not a "teaching" make.

I was raised in a baptist household where shocking abuse occurred. I have my opinions about the baptist faith but I've never been so irresponsible to state that abuse is a fundamental or doctrinal teaching of the baptists.
---scott on 4/13/10


Warwick,
Date and page number please.

I wont hold my breath.
---scott on 4/13/10


I used to have a woman clean for me who was a convert from Catholicism to JW. She noticed that I went to church often and taught a Bible Study so she asked me many questions
But she never tried to "convert" me...she said her church wanted her to go door to door, which she did, but she said it made her uncomfortable. So I didn't learn much about JW's.
She was shocked that our church served Communion every month (She said hers did once a year) and astonished that EVERYONE could partake (you needn't be one of the 144,000 as in her church). I explained what was required to join my church (salvation). She was surprised that in my church all members were equal and none was spiritually superior.
---Donna66 on 4/13/10


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Scott, the teaching that Jehovah Witnessess not hang around with family and others is due to the fact they believe everyone else is a heathen and they should not hang around them other then to try to convert. They are a nice group and polite when they talk to you. When my sister separated from all of us, I took it upon myself to study their believes. I even went with her to many meetings. I watched and learned why they were different. I wanted to learn so that one day I could speak to her about her faith and what I had learned about Christ, but she got so sick and I tried to convince her to take the blood so she could live but she was too proud to listen at first, later when she got worse and knew she was going to die, she did change her mind.
---MarkV. on 4/13/10


Similarities? We have no common ground in truth with the Jehovah's Witness, which is a cult.
They don't believe Jesus Christ is who he is and this is a lie from the pit of hell.
Christ is an angel, no such thing as the trinity and other nonsense.
Christianity is not a cult, and
Jehovah's Witness is works based.

I witness to these lost souls at every opportunity an invite them to become Christians and accept Jesus as their personal savior.
The writings of Charles Taze Russell is just part of their problem, never mind the church's last prediction of the second coming in 1975.
What happened? Pathetic.
---larry on 4/13/10


Francis, having attended, and preached in Baptist churhes in a number of countries I am unaware of any Baptist beliefs which say other Christians are wrong. Please explain.

I am not a Baptist by the way.
---Warwick on 4/13/10


Scott, my experience of the JW's is first-hand, personal experience, and over 30+ years. Over and over I have seen unwitting people snared by this cult and all of them were told to separate from their families. They were told they could not attend the Christian church their families attend. In contrast Christians are free to attend other churches.

And as you know, JW's, though proffering much literature, will not accept any from Christians.

Personal experience equals eyewitness reports, good enough for the Supreme Court!

Mark's experience (below) is likewise.

The evil is not in those duped but resides in those who seek to dupe the unsuspecting. May God deal with them!
---Warwick on 4/13/10


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"If a person becomes a JW and their family do not the watchtower insists the convert separates themselves from their family." Warwick

Not true. I know lots of witnesses and they are very close to their non-witness families. I'd like to see the reference warwick cites where the watchtower tells them to "separate themselves from their families."

Date and page number please.
---scott on 4/13/10


In Mexico which is predominantly Catholic manying of the houses have signs posted on the outside of their doors. These signs state that people occupying the house do not want any proselytizing going on! It was the Jehovah witnesse that caused most of the signs to be posted.
---mima on 4/13/10


You simply tell them you're not intersted and already are accepted in Gods family.I use to attend ,but never baptized.I'm now with the bible students that was started by C.T.Russell & his friends.No he did not start the Jw's.that was done by Judge rutheford & the jw's were the other biblestudents that left the group & followed him. Anyhow we are totally opposite & I thank God for me being in this congregation.We do celebrate birthdays,christmas,accept blood transfusions(all are individual based),unlike Jw's. Anyhow sorry to get off topic,but wanted to answer & clairify gossip.
---blessedsister on 4/13/10


Francis,
The doctrine of Jesus Christ is His
Death and resurrection for repentance and remission of sin.
Luke24:39-
Behold my Hands and My Feet,that it is [I[Myself,handle Me,and see,for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,as ye see Me have."...
vs45
Then opened He their understanding,that they might understand the Scriptures,And said unto them,"Thus it is written,and thus it behoved Christ to suffer,and to rise from the dead the third day,And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations,beginning at Jerusalem.

This is not what they teach.
We are to follow Jesus Christ and no other-Word.
---char on 4/13/10


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Warwick, you are absolutely correct in what you say about J.W. My sister who past away was a Jehovah Witness. She tried so hard to convert my mom that mom and her didn't get along because of that. She was in control of her marriage so she had her whole family attend and be baptize into their religion, her husband loved her so he followed. Once that happened they all stayed away from the rest of the family. She even stop speaking to her old friends. When Christmas came she would make fun of all the songs of Christmas. She died because she refused to take blood to save her life. Her elders told her she shouldn't. When she finally decided to take it later, it was too late, she was too sick by then.
---MarkV. on 4/13/10


Conversely I have Baptist, Anglican, SDA, Pentecostal, Uniting, and Presbyterian etc, friends. All accept me as a committed Christian, not wanting to convert me to their denomination. The JW's believe Christians need converting!
---Warwick on 4/12/10

HHMM i am curious. IF a baptist believes that what he teaches is truth, then all else must be false.

If any one truely believes that what he or she is teaching is true, then all other teachings which are different must be false.

Why would you not want people to move away from false teachings?
---francis on 4/13/10


Francis, a JW visited me weekly for about a year, hoping to convert me to his cult. This allowed me time to investigate their beliefs. I had little trouble in finding out they are not Christian.

Conversely I have Baptist, Anglican, SDA, Pentecostal, Uniting, and Presbyterian etc, friends. All accept me as a committed Christian, not wanting to convert me to their denomination. The JW's believe Christians need converting!

They are exclusive, and under the domination of a worldly leader, whose word is law. If a person becomes a JW and their family do not the watchtower insists the convert separates themselves from their family.

They deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit, and deny Jesus is God, the Son, as Scripture says.
---Warwick on 4/12/10


Every denomination have thier own sets of doctrines. That is what makes a denomination a denomination.

What is so different about the JW doctrine?

It is different yes, but Baptist doctrine is also different from methodist. pentecostal doctrine is different from Baptist, so what is the difference

No two denominations have the same doctrines, and with the baptist community there are varied doctrine among the same congregation, and within the same denomination.
So what is different about JW?
---francis on 4/12/10


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The witneses teach that only some people who are already picked are born again. They will get to go to heaven. The rest will live on earth and serve those in heaven. The writers of the watchtower who are dying off are the only ones they think are born again. One thing I do is ask them if all those who are born again in the JW die what happens to their teachings?

I also ask them where the Bible gives two ways of getting to heaven. I try to agree with them where we have common ground instead of just arguing.
---Samuel on 4/12/10


I would not even talk to them! I believe that the main difference is that the Johovah witnesses, the name is misleading in itself, is that they believe in more than one way of making it to heaven, besides the Blood..... Working your way there.
---catherine on 4/12/10


Here is the truth:
Jehovah witness' is the same as many many other protestant / evangelical denominations,
There are major errors in thier basic doctrines, and yet they will not admit to it.

JW in my eye no different than many others.
Except the RCC. I have more respect for the RCC doctrine than most evangelical.

WHY?

Because the RCC admits that it's teaching is part Bible and part tradition.
Protestant churches do not admit that.

And the RCC admits that they have the authority to change scripture:

1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
---francis on 4/12/10


I deal with JW as I deal with all other
"+christian" demoininations.

I make a plain and honest statement to them all:

"If you can show me that you understand the difference between the Law of Moses, and the Law of God, I will follow you."
---francis on 4/12/10


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I've attempted in the past to have bible studies with them-but-couldn't get passed their teaching that Christ didn't resurrect from the dead-but-that is was Michael the ark-angel who took on the form of Christ-or something in that manner.
---char on 4/10/10


In my experience with Jehovah' Witnesses, have found they are like a tape recorder, ask them a question they aren't programmed to answer, it will blow their circuits. When they come to my door, tell them that I'll listen to them if they will listen to me. BUT, you have to know know your Bible if you try this. Lately, just don't brother to answer the door because I know it's a waste of time. It will take more than just a conservation at the door to have an effective witness to them.
---wivv on 11/25/07


Nancy, good point, and yes I've done that. Afterwards I always feel guilty because the differences that they avoid are so important and are what I should try to continue discussing with them. I assume that God sent them for me to witness to them but as their bible has been 'doctored' in the important places they are a very difficult group to witness to. I wondered what others do in this situation.
---RitaH on 11/16/07


If they're that insistent upon emphasizing the similarities, tell them that, since you are so similar, there is no point in them trying to convert you.

Then politely close the door.
---Nancy on 11/15/07


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JWS also do not celebrate birthdays/Christmas ok I understand the concept of lying to children about Santa Clause because it is a big lie. I cannot see why you cannot celebrate year of your birth. Since eating of certain meat, sabbath keeping, and ritual sacrifices of animals for sin are no longer essential . If we are able to eat sacrificed meat knowing there is no other God but the ONE GOD. In the same way we celebrate birthdays not for rituals but for thanksgiving.
---Carla5754 on 11/14/07


Are these people not going over and beyond the liberty we now have in Christ free from all the Laws of the Jews as Gentiles. So why is it that they make a Law out of the OLD Mosaic Laws. In Christ are we not able to adhere to the principles but not follow the rituals and laws as and when it is laid out by ''religious'' groups?.
---Carla5754 on 11/14/07


alan_of_UK:

I would find it much more surprising if any JW's actually read and posted here at all.

I'm sure most of them would consider most of the discussions and opionions on these blogs to be heresy (or rather, whatever equivalent word they have for the concept).

(having spent a year in their company 30 years ago, I found most of them to be theologicaly very insular).
---StrongAxe on 11/14/07


alan_of_UK:

Since it's unlikely any JWs are reading this, I will try to answer from what I remember.

Their prohibition on transfusions is based on Leviticus 17:11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood:..."
and the many prohibitions against eating blood (even in the New Testament). They interpret transfusions as "eating blood".
---StrongAxe on 11/14/07


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Bob, I'm not JW, but, you can't reject people coming to speak to you about the gospel just because they come 2by2. Jesus sent His disciples out 2by2 at one point in scriptures. The key is to know and understand the teaching of scripture so that you can identify false witnesses, which JW's certainly are.
---tommy3007 on 11/14/07


AlanofUK - I had a JW argue black and blue with me one time who said that this earth as it is now is going to be where he would live eternally. As I said to him, you got to be joking, all the weeds and everything. They have been brainwashed totally to say only what they have been taught.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/07


Is it not interesting that no JW has jumped in to justify the ban on blood transfusions?
After all, I did mention it a few days ago now,
---alan_of_UK on 11/13/07


Helen ... That's what I thouyght ... more Brownie points earned by calling on someoen who rejects the message than for having an easier call!
But Cynthia seems to say they don't beleive in heaven. I've not heard that before. I thought there was a limited number who will go to heaven, and the other JWs will stay here in comfort.
I'm sure they do not beleive all ends at earthly death.
---alan_of_UK on 11/13/07


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I was willing to listen to them not to argue but to hear their point of view but recently in the News a young man and the family of his wife refused to allow their daughter at her expressed choice not to receive a blood transfusion after the birth of her twins, subsequently she died. I will not listen or hear the views of any Jehovah's witnesses again. For the simple reason it was better to save an animal from falling into a pit, on the sabbath than let it suffer and die.
---Carla5754 on 11/13/07


If they will not listen, I now tell them to please leave (2John 9-11). The only time I ever got two of them to listen was when I told them how the Lord Jesus set me totally free from smoking. I will never forget how one of the women was looking intently at me, while the other appeared to be indifferent.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/07


AlanofUK - ("If they ignore the differences, and say they are very similar to your faith, I wonder why they are so keen to convert you?") -- I think it has something to do with their earning "brownie points" to get them into Heaven. Sad.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/07


From what I understand about jw, they believe that when you die that is the end. They do not believe in Heaven or Hell, and they believe that Jesus is literally already here on this earth. My next door neighbors are JW, and as much as they try to push their false beliefs on me, I refuse to listen to them. When JW comes knocking on the door, I come straight to the point. I tell them that I do not believe what they believe, or sometimes I do not even answer the door. God Bless!
---Cynthia on 11/12/07


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Bob, I didn't say that I invite them into my house. They arrive, uninvited to my DOOR and get no further. I think that I am aware of the major differences but was inviting others join in this discussion with me in case others had different ideas. Alan, I agree with you. I think they emphasise the similarities as a snare to get others to attend their meetings and that is when the 'uninitiated' will discover the differences.
---RitaH on 11/12/07


So the Mod did not publish my post talking about JWs and polygamy! He was right to ignore it, as I had confused the two on this issue (late at night as it was!)
If I had not written in later to confess my error, you would not have known of my momentary confusion.
But I for one think it's best to own up and not hide.
---alan_of_UK on 11/12/07


Here in the UK a young mother has died a few hours after giving birth to her child, because she had signed a JW instruction that in no circumstances was she to be given a blood transfusion. Her husband and family were appealed to but they too were JWs and refused to overide her wishes.

Are there any JWs here who are able to explain this?
---alan_of_UK on 11/11/07


If they ignore the differences, and say they are very similar to your faith, I wonder why they are so keen to convert you?
---alan_of_UK on 11/11/07


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I believe they have some odd ideas ... Jesus is brother of Satan, and only an angel.
Works based salvation ... they won't get to heaven if they make less than their quota of "calls" and they get extra points if they are not welcomed by you.
---alan_of_UK on 11/11/07


Sorry ... did I mention polygamy? Sorry! That's not JWs but Mormons
---alan_of_UK on 11/11/07


Take the bible quiz. The bible is clear about not inviting them into your house.
If you don't know the major differences, you certainly should not be entangling yourself with them. Do not invite them in or the others that come two by two, with a demonic message just for you.
---Bob on 11/11/07


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