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God Wishes All Men Saved

Because the bible says that God wishes all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4) do you believe that He has prepared a witness somewhere for every individual? Also, if the person does not listen to that witness, will God send another or is it now on the individual's head - because he/she did not listen?

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"No Sin, No Christ"
He has always been, way before man:
John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: The same was in the beginning with God.
3: All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
---Nana on 6/13/09

All we have to do is believe on HIM who HE has sent. Sin will NOT hinder you from being saved.
---duane on 12/27/07

Man say, "What kind of loving God is filled with such wrath as to send people to hell to suffer eternal?" Here is why, "A wrathless God cannot be a loving God." Where there is no wrath, there is no love. Anger isn't the opposite of love, hate is, and the final form of hate is indifference. "There would be no mercy, if there was no Justice" Most wonderful attributes of God would not exist or ever come into view if the opposite was not allowed or permitted.
---Mark_V. on 12/26/07

#2. All men has to do is think with his heart to understand this attributes of God. Just take the wonderful love we have for Christ, we would not have that love for Him if we hadn't been sinners. We love Him because He first loved us. No Sin, No Christ. If God had created a plan where there was no sin, no will of our own, we would be real robots indeed. Only working for God not because we loved Him but because we had to. But God showed all of His attributes through His plan, and people still complain.
---Mark_V. on 12/26/07

Mark, Alan and everyone else

Wish you a very Happy and Peaceful Christmas, and all the best for 2008.

God bless

---Ed on 12/24/07

#2. When the time comes the wicked will also feel His wrath. "known unto God are all His works from the beginning" Acts 15:18. Whatever God has decreed is certain, for "He is without variableness, or shadow of turning" James 1:17. Therefore we are told at the very beginning of the book, which reveals to us so much of the future, of "Things which must shortly come to pass" Rev. 1:1. Many of the prophecies from the prophets of God have already come true,
---Mark_V. on 12/17/07

Mark believes Scripture to be true. God has written it already. He said it, it is written. He didn't say, "it shall be written" as Pharoah did, for he was but man. How can God not know what He wrote already? I don't think God got any enjoyment for killing thousands in the desert, or that He got enjoyment for killing thousands of men women and children, for the survival of Israel. God has not changed for He is Immutable.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/07


To answer your question, i think people confuse God with the tyrannical, capricious leaders of this world. Let's face it, this world can be a pretty cruel place. People get hurt. And people want justice.

But God's justice is different to ours. He is slow to anger. His benevolence is supreme - it is for all, not a few. I profoundly believe. That is not the same as not having fear in the Lord. We should. But it is a healthy fear, believing in a God of supreme love.
---Ed on 12/17/07

The Blood is all powerful. I do not know all about all of that. It is not God's will for anyone to be lost. But while there will be so many that will reject Him. Only a few will be saved. "Who will have all men to be saved". No one will go to hell who ought not be there. He never said, "He wishes to save all men". For men could then say, "Why doesn't He save all of them". What truth they have known, the unsaved have rejected or God would have given them more truth. +
---catherine on 12/17/07

"The Lord is joyful when His children follow His commandments"
Presumably He is also joyful when people fry, because that shows that His sovereign will is being obeyed, and that they have behaved as he has designed and decided.
I just wonder though why there are so many instances inthe Bible when God is angry when people disobey Him, because after all, He has decided, as supreme sovereign, that that is what they will do.
---alan_of_UK on 12/15/07

Yes, I believe that the Lord has prepared a witness for every individual.It is now on the individual's head.But God will probably--not guaranteed--send another.Besides, most of us have access to His Word somehow.We most certainly need to listen.
---donald on 12/15/07

# 1..Mark says.... "To all who believe they are the cause of their salvation exercising your free will, without Him first changing your heart, the next time you get on your knee's and pray Christ to save your kids, mother, friend, husband, remember He knows what you believe in, what is in your heart. He will know what you are going to say is a lie"
I wonder if Mark goes down on his knees, with those prayers?
---alan_of_UK on 12/15/07

# 2 Because if he does, he also is lying, because he knows (or thinks he knows) that God has already decided what to do with those kids, etc, whether to save or condemn. Mark's prayers will make no difference. If Mark is right, no prayers of supplication will ever make a difference.
---alan_of_UK on 12/15/07

Mark's honest sermon when he preaches should be simply this:
"I am here to witness to the Love of God for me and a few others.
Most of you are doomed to Hell, because God has determined that you will not believe in Him.
God has chosen me from the start, but rejected you from the start.
That, folk, is the Good News that I have for you.
To use the title of the classic 1959 film, 'I'm all right Jack'
---alan_of_UK on 12/15/07

"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, if not, you will all suffer the consequences"
If only Mark would limit his efforts to preaching that
But by saying that, Mark makes a false promise, because most of those he talks to will have no chance of believing, so they are being given false hope.
---alan_of_UK on 12/15/07

Mark V-#2. Jesus said to them, Unbelievers, "If God were your father, you would love Me, for I proceed forth and came from God, nor have I come of Myself, but He send Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My Word." you are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." John 8:4244.

Mark they believe in God, they just did not believe that Jesus was the Son of God.
---Ruben on 12/14/07

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#4. To all who believe they are the cause of their salvation exercising your free will, without Him first changing your heart, the next time you get on your knee's and pray not to an idol, but Christ, to save your kids, mother, friend, husband, remember He knows what you believe in, what is in your heart. He will know what you are going to say is a lie. Because down deep in your heart you don't believe He is the cause of your salvation, it is you with your free will that cause it.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/07

#5. And when you go to church and sing songs of worship to Christ, you will feel guilty because what you are saying is really not true. You really don't mean what you are singing, "Thank you Lord for saving me, a wretched sinner" or thank you Lord for everything I have" are thank you Lord for saving my son" For it too will be a lie. You should sing songs to yourself and give yourself a pad on the back.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/07

#6 none of you have thought of that have you? None has even thought of when you raise your hands to the Lord in adoration, inside your heart, you really don't mean what you are saying. When someone believes those believes, they can come to Christ when they want, leave when they want, and come back if they want, they say repent again and you are in again. And if He doesn't answer your request, you can leave again. It brings nothing but shame to what a true Christian is.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/07

To answer the response that people are able of themselves to come to Christ, I say, you have called the words of Jesus a lie. For He stated that those who belong to the devil are not able to understand His Word. Not that they choose not to, but not able. Mankind as a whole has some knowledge of God, all that does is leave them without excuse. They love what they do, and love doing the desires of their father the devil. A person cannot change his heart, or his own nature. You are what you are from birth.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/07

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#2. Jesus said to them, Unbelievers, "If God were your father, you would love Me, for I proceed forth and came from God, nor have I come of Myself, but He send Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My Word." you are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." John 8:4244. Jesus didn't say, they chose not to, but the were unable to. This are words of Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/07

#3. God has to make us alive to Christ before we an have a love for Christ. "And you He made alove who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince and power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." All lost people are walking to the course of this world, and under the control and desires of the devil, and God has to make you alive to Him before you can ever know or love Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/07

Just in case there be puzzlement and objection to that stated "prior
knowledge of God":
John 6:45: "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.
Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh
unto me."
---Nana on 12/14/07

A witness for every individual? A man can witness to some but God
has and does witness to all:
Romans 1:19: "Because that which may be known of God is manifest
in them, for God hath shewed it unto them. 20: For the invisible things
of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood
by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so
that they are without excuse: "
---Nana on 12/14/07

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More on the prior knowledge of God:
Romans 1:28: "And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things
which are not convenient,"
---Nana on 12/14/07

Thus when John the Baptist and Jesus came calling sinners to repentance,
they were bringing them back to the knowledge of God. They were
shaking their cobwebs unto their glossed over knowledge of God.
With mighty works Jesus showed the power and the glory of God anew
and magnified, that there be no doubt about it.
---Nana on 12/14/07

But even so, some men had hardened themselves so much so that they
would not repent:
Matthew 11:20: "Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his
mighty works were done, because they repented not: 21: Woe unto thee,
Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were
done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented
long ago in sackcloth and ashes."
---Nana on 12/14/07

Then it is that even with the best witness, some men would not accept the
witness and return to God. I know that "pink eye" disagrees, saying that
those men "could not" were I say they "would not" and Matthew 11:20_24
bears me a witness, I believe.
---Nana on 12/14/07

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Many are called,but few chosen.
Everyone is invited,but because of different choies and ideas of life.
Some will....and some won't.Some do ...
and some don't.
---Jack_8773 on 12/13/07

Dogmatic religion predates Christianity - anyone ever heard of a group called the Pharisees?

And I'm pretty sure they were not the first.

Cain was being dogmatic when he said "Am I my brother's keeper?"
---StrongAxe on 12/13/07


'Dogmatic religion is found everywhere. It has it's origin from the Catholic church through the teachings of James Arminian.'

Arminius was a Protestant. He had nothing to do with Catholicism.

And it's a unfair to blame a 17th century Dutchman for original sin.

Lastly, I am glad you agree that the Reformed Baptist Church and all Protestant and Protestant-derived Churches, like the Catholic Church, are guilty of dogmatism.
---Ed on 12/13/07


'Dogmatic religion is found everywhere. It has it's origin from the Catholic church through the teachings of James Arminian'

- i'm glad, finally, you agree that ALL Christian denominations are guilty of this. Catholic Church. Reformed Baptist Church. Protestants in general. Orthodox and so on.

And the reason for this: original sin. It's a bit unfair to put James Arminius in the same league as Adam and Eve.

And Arminius was a Protestant - never a Catholic!
---ed on 12/13/07

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The Lord is joyful when His children follow His commandments. Why wouldn't He be? He saved them. He gave them faith to believe. He took them out of the gutter when they deserved only death. What have we that can add anything to God that He doesn't already have? Nothing. It is when we see God in His Majesty that we humble ourselves before Him, but this only pertains to His children since the lost have another father. It show's the love God has planted in our hearts.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/07

#2. Without God's light, we would never understand Scripture to believe. Without the Spirit endwelling us, we would still be heading streight to hell. Who takes credit for the Work of God? Who demands anything for what he has, it all came from God. Maybe more people should be reading the teachings of A. Pink. Maybe this way they can know the real God of Scripture. But they need faith first, the one that comes from Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/07

#3. You can hide behind a door but never from God, "It shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer, and while they are yet speaking, I will hear" Isa. 65:24. If you do not believe, read Scripture, "He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: none can stay His hand" Dan. 4:35. So before you even think that though you were going to write against His Sovereignty, just remember, you cannot hide from Him.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/07

#4. For the true believers, the apprehension of God's infinite knowledge should fill our Christian hearts with "adoration." "All of my life stood open to His view from the beginning. He forsaw my every fall, my every sin, my every backsliding, Yet, nevertheless, fixed His heart upon me." Praise be to the Lord Almighty to whom "Only" we should bow down to.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/07

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Dogmatic religion is found everywhere. It has it's origin from the Catholic church through the teachings of James Arminian. It changed the early church from a church that was first for faith in Christ, to one that demanded pentance's for not only gain of money for their big churches, but for the pockets of those who were in charge. Faith that God gives through Grace turned into works, faith and Jesus Christ took a back seat when they begin worshipping saints and all kinds of idols.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/07

#2. Let the truth be told from the top of all mountains and buildings, that Christ is Lord of all, and that He stands as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and He doesn't take a back seat to no one. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, if not, you will all suffer the consequences. Men would strip Deity of His Omniscience if they could-what a proof that "the carnal mind is enmity against God"
---Mark_V. on 12/13/07


'They reject the truth of Scripture and give their own summary of the god they have created for themselves, because Scripture is not final authority to them. They use their own reasoning as to who God is.'

- but everyone is guilty of that to one degree or another.

- the Reformed Baptist Westboro Church have done that. As do Roman Catholics and Protestants.
---Ed on 12/13/07

2. Mark

- Our Lord actually said to Peter 'get behind me Satan', and yet we know that Peter was special to Jesus because Jesus actually says so.

- God reprimanded Moses, and yet we know that Moses was dear to God.

Your black and white, prescriptive and legalistic take on things does not reflect reality.
---Ed on 12/13/07

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Oh my, this here is a heavy case of "pink eye", as in A.W. Pink...
"When ye shall have done all those things which are commanded
you, say, We are unprofitable servants." (Luke 17:10)our
obedience has profited God nothing. (A. W. Pink)
---Nana on 12/13/07

Lets not short change the full counsel of our Lord's teachings. Look
at Matthew 25 where the Lord begins by likening the kingdom of
heaven unto ten virgins. The likening end in Matthew 25:13: "Watch
therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son
of man cometh." Do you think it means to just sit and watch the grass
---Nana on 12/13/07

I just had to interject about watchfulness and the virgins, but the
scripture to address the "pink eye" is contained in the next likening
of the kingdom of heaven. The lesson is about the talents the Lord
bestows to each one, " every man according to his several
ability..." One talent was given to the one for he had not the "ability"
to handle much more than that.
---Nana on 12/13/07

It is a beautiful thing to behold how the Lord was pleased with the
increase brought forth by all the other servants. Of all that brought
an increase the Lord said as: Matthew 25:23: "His lord said unto him,
Well done, good and faithful servant, thou hast been faithful over a
few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the
joy of thy lord."
---Nana on 12/13/07

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I'll ask a question also, what did the Lord called them? He called
them "good and faithful"! So what about the "pink eye" that insists on
demeaning "the creature" that brings joy to the Lord? Luke 15:10:
"Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of
God over one sinner that repenteth."
---Nana on 12/13/07

Luke 17:10 is confirmed again in Matthew 25:26: "His lord answered
and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that
I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27:
Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and
then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28:
Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten
---nana on 12/13/07

Just as the man that buried the talent in the earth, the disciples on hearing
the commandment about forgivenes of trespasses, even seven times in a
day expressed what could be termed a declaration of their impossibility
of compliance in their statement: "Increase our faith". They did not have
to wait for their Lord to return, for he was right there with them! So
there was not need to go an unearth the one single talent.
---Nana on 12/13/07

The lesson in Luke 17:1_10 is that we are to forgive and that forgiveness
is a command for which we are in full "ability" to comply with, needing
not any more faith than less than almost nothing! And bottom line, the
Lord expects us to be fruitful in all that is commanded us and beyond.
---Nana on 12/13/07

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#6. God: I've only talked about the "Solitariness of God" and not even touch the whole nature of God or His Attributes, the decree's of God, the Foreknowledge of God, the Supremacy of God, the Sovereignty of God, the Immutability of God, the Holiness of God, the Power of God, the Goodness of God, the Patience of God, the Grace of God, the Mercy of God, the Love of God, the Wrath of God, "When you have known this things about God you will know the true God of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#7 God: The Holy Spirit brings light to God's Word only to the born again believers. Those believers will want to know the God of Scripture, and the teacher will be the Spirit. All true believers are endwelled by the Spirit, and so all should want nothing more then to know the One they Love. All those who don't care, is because the Spirit is not endwelling them. Their needs come before anything. Who comes first in your life? That is the question, and you will know who you are.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#2. God: Had a universe, had angels, had human beings been necessary to Him in any way, they also had been called into existence from all eternity. The creating of them when He did, added "nothing to God's essentially." For "He changes not" Mal. 3:6. Therefore His essential glory can be neither augmented nor diminished. God was under no obligation or necessity to create. That He did was purely a sovereign act on His part, caused by nothing outside Himself.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#3. God: I will go even further, our Lord Jesus Christ added nothing to God in His essential being and glory, either by what He did or suffered. It is true that He manifested the glory of God to "us," but He added nothing to God. Jesus expressesly declares so, and there is no appeal from His own words, "My goodness extendeth not to Thee" Psa. 16:2. Nor is the testimony of the New Testament any different then the Old,
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

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#4. God: How could it be, seeing that both have One and the same Author, when we read, "Which in His times He shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords: Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: To whom be honour and Power everlasting, Amen" 1 Tim. 6:16.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#5. God: "It is He that sitteh upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as Grasshoppers, that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: That bringeth the princes to nothing, He maketh the judgees of the earth as vanity" Isa. 40:22,23. How vastly different is the God of Scripture from the "god" that many here believe in.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

God, in the unity of His nature (subsisting equally in three Divine Persons) in a time when there was no time, when there was no heaven, where His glory is now particularly manisfested, where there was no earth to engage His attention, no angels to hymn His praises, no universe to be upheld by the Word of His power, where there was nothing but God, God was alone: "Self-Contained," "Self-Sufficient," "Self-Satisfied," in need of nothing"
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

3. Mark

And Love isn't about gaining anything. God doesn't do things because he gains something. People don't love others because they gain something.

Actually why do people love? Surely that is what this whole life is all about. It is all about love. Not about why people do it. But just doing it!

St Paul says that there can be no salvation without love. And no-one has a monopoly on that. Only God loves perfectly.

God bless.

PS. Love, not predestination, is gold.
---Ed on 12/12/07

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When someone is presented Scripture and they completely reject the Word of God, proves the state of the individual. Rejecting the Word is complete unbelief. The false teachers in Jesus time's rejected the Word just as some do today. They reject the truth of Scripture and give their own summary of the god they have created for themselves, because Scripture is not final authority to them. They use their own reasoning as to who God is.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#2. The reason behind this rejection, "Because God can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit" No other reason. Anyone that stands in their way, they will do everything possible to distort the Nature and Attributes of God without shame. They want us to believe they love God so much and that He is great and He would never do this or that because after all, He is loving to all and hear this, "He needs us" even making God dependent upon our love.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#3. They have done such a great job of bringing God to their level and dependent on us, that now they can bow down to idols, build shrines to them, pray to them, and it ok with God, it has to be, because He really needs us. After they are told of the true God of Scripture, they refuse to believe just as when Jesus was talking to Nicodemus and he didn't believe.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

#4.Jesus answered him, "Most assurely, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven" Did you hear that? "Cannot see" Nicodemus was face to face with Christ and yet could not see or understand, when he said, "How can this things be?" It wasn't that he chose not to understand or see using his free will, it was that he was unable to understand and believe. That's what has happened to those who reject the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07

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#5. When told of the truth of God they call Him a pagan God, sometimes a dictator. They say, He needs us. And after all this talk, they come right out and say why they feel this way, "They have their free will" suggesting that God must kneel to them first, because "He cannot" in anyway interfer with the decisions of man. You get that? "He cannot" a soverign God who cannot. He hs to ben His knee's to man, now that is sick.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/07


So what are you saying:

A - you are not of the elect (leading to DESPAIR).
B - you are of the elect, so sit back and relax because your salvation is assured (leading to COMPLACENCY).

This is erroneous teaching. Human beings do have FREE WILL otherwise they would be animals or robots.

The god of predestination as you describe it is a pagan god (like Zeus: 'our fate is in the lap of the gods', it is not the Christian God.
---Ed on 12/11/07

2. Mark

Zeus was a capricious, tyrannical god who played with men like a cruel cat on a mouse. There was no love in these pagan gods.

And just as the non-religious pagans thought they could do everything on their own, the same goes for pelagians and semi-pelagians.

But Christianity is something beyond all of this. We have free will to CHOOSE God, in other words we have free will to demonstrate our LOVE to God. It is all about love as Our Lord says Himself, and as does St Paul.
---Ed on 12/11/07

3. Mark

The predestination you teach is a pagan belief that has plagued Christianity through the ages. It rose again during the Protestant Reformation in amongst the burghers and merchants of Northern Europe. Amongst utilitarian-minded, legalistic-minded people. Catholics are plagued by the same errors even though predestination is officially condemned.
---Ed on 12/11/07

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4. Mark

And it was the pharisees and the high priests who represent the worst form of predestination when they regarded themselves as the elect, and dared to question Jesus, and ended up conspiring in putting him on a cross.

Turn away from this heresy, Mark, for your own sake and the sake of others.

God bless.
---Ed on 12/11/07

Mark appears to be unwilling to say why he uttered those falsehoods
---alan_of_UK on 12/11/07


'God gains nothing from us' - yes He does: His children!

God made us all. Every single human being is part of God - is a child of God.

God wants everyone of His children to be saved.

God gains our Love. Jesus says that the greatest commandment is to love God.

But we must CHOOSE (free will) to love God. It is free will that makes us human and separates us from animals who have no free will.
---Ed on 12/11/07

2. Mark

God is not some one-eyed, tyrannical god playing games with us - that is a pagan god - not the Christian God.

A father is out in the garden raking the autumn leaves. Lots of leaves. His three year old boy comes out and helps. The boy tries hard but the father would manage easier on his own. But the father loves the fact that boy has demonstrated his love to his father.

This is common sense. The Bible is full of common sense, and full of text that shows we have free will.
---Ed on 12/11/07

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#5. "For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been His counsellor? Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed to him again? 11:34,35. The explanation, it is impossible to bring the Almighty under obligation to the creature, God gains nothing from us. He is all blessed in Himself. This is the God of Scripture. Yet "such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the Word.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/07

Predestination mean's God chose a people from all eternity to be saved. Those people do not know they are of the elect. Many of them are still lost. One day they will hear the Word of God and they too will believe, and come to Christ. They will be sanctified by receiving the Holy Spirit and one day glorified. If God didn't know who this people are, He would not be Omniscient, knowing all and would be mere mortal gaining knowledge each time one commited his life to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/07

#2. The names of those who are chosen are written in the book of life, and the Word of God has already been written. God's method of drawing the elect to Himself is by His Word, which is presented by believers who are moved by the Spirit to witness to others. We are commanded to preach the gospel of Christ in order for those waiting, to make a commitment to Christ at the time God has set for each one of the elect.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/07

#3. Many of the elect have not been born yet, they too will come to Christ by the Gospel. The Day of Our Lord will come, and all the elect will have been chosen by then. God has selected a time when that will be. All has been written, and what is been done today is the completion of God's decree's concerning His plan. God's decree's are said to be "the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11. "For known unto God are all His works, from the beginning of the World" Acts 15:18
---Mark_V. on 12/11/07

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#4. That God chose to select some and not others or to create His plan or not, was purely a sovereign act on His part, caused by nothing outside Himself, determined by nothing but His own mere good pleasure: For He, "Worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11. That He did create was simply for His own manifestative glory. At the end of Romans 11, where the Apostle brings to a close his long argument on salvation by pure and sovereign grace, he ask,
---Mark_V. on 12/11/07

Mark ... Mark, I'm so pleased you love me.
I do not "think" my integrity was discredited by your falsehoods. I am sure it was not.
I wonder if I was wrong in ascribing that motive to you. If I was wrong, perhaps you will be good enough to tell us all why you did utter those falsehoods about me. Presumably you had a justification.
Thank you brother.
---alan_of_UK on 12/3/07

But ... Mark ... But because you will not reply to any more of my contributions, that does not mean I will go away.
Elsewhere, someone else is doing a jolly good job, so for the time being I will take a bit of a back seat, although I have posted a slight challenge as to why you are ignoring a very strong scripture.
---alan_of_UK on 12/3/07

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