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Will The Holy Ghost Leave

If the Holy Ghost is abiding in a person, can the person do something to make the Holy Ghost leave?

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---kathr4453 on 12/5/09 All spirits are begotten of God but a spirit is a life force and I do not want you to think I am saying that all spirits are the same as the Son of God. We know that Jesus is a reproduction of his Father, a Son after the likeness and in Gods image who has the Holy Spirit without measure. His flesh was not made of earthly material but made of the word of God therefore he could not see corruption because the word cannot be made corrupt or pass away. He is the first creature like this but we shall be glorified and as he is we shall be, it is our inheritance.
---exzucuh on 12/6/09


---kathr4453 on 12/5/09 No all spirits are begotten of God (Bodies are created), The bodies of Angels are made of heavenly material the bodies of man are made of the earth. You like so many think a body is you but is is dirt
formed into a vehicle for your soul and your spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
---exzucuh on 12/6/09


Some of you think I am being mean to you and maybe I am, but I would like to explain. Have you ever watched preachers as they gave the word of God how emotional they become sometimes
they seem angry and shout and beat their fist
and shake their bibles. After the sermon they are meek and loving and pray with people at the alter many times tears will flow from their eyes like their hearts are broken. When I minister I am under the Spirit of God on the computer in the same way as when I preach to live congregations because I do not trust in flesh only the Spirit. The words I give are Spirit and life and they offend just like when Jesus spoke. He expects repentance when you are offended, and not from me but you.
---exzucuh on 12/5/09


All spirits are begotten of God Angels spirits and mans spirits, Ex***


Sorry but ALL spirits ARE NOT begotten of God...

Angels were CREATED by God. To be begotten would mean God birthed them.

Adam became a life giving SOUL...and was created by God. Adam was not a begotten Spirit of God.

Adam & Eve begot Cain and Abel by birthing them.

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father, but was more than a spirit, but God in the Flesh.

I don't agree with what you said here, and sounds as though you do not believe in a Triune God.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/09


---kathr4453 on 12/4/09 Okay I guess I do not know what you are saying. some of those scriptures are not what I am saying. The Holy Spirit is God. Jesus said God is a Spirit. There is only one Holy Spirit. You are a spirit and that is your spirit Just like God's Spirit is his Spirit. The thing is that God's Spirit is Holy. All spirits are begotten of God Angels spirits and mans spirits, but mans spirit is made holy if he has the Holy Spirit living in him. Someone not born again has an unclean spirit corrupted by the fall of Adam and the fall of Satan. That is why we preach the Gospel to get people reborn spirits so God can live with them in their bodies.
---exzucuh on 12/4/09




The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and he anoints people or empowers them by his Spirit.
---exzucuh on 12/4/09


You said this yourself EX..and I posted OT/NT scripture to back up what you said.

I'm really not sure why you are arguing against your own statement.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/09


--kathr4453 on 12/4/09 There is no word for with or BY in hebrew or greek these words are added in English and have no specific meaning to change the fact that the Holy Spirit is not an anointing. If you want to be ignorant I am willing to let you. It is time to to move on on, I have already given all the time to this that I will. There are people that really want to understand scripture and you are not one of them.
---exzucuh on 12/4/09


1 Samuel 16:13
Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek, ----

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Sorry Ex. David was anointed with the HS.

When Jesus came....Messiah means the ANOINTED ONE.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/09


--kathr4453 on 12/4/09 Mercy is not the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is not an anointing
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and he anoints people or empowers them by his Spirit.
---exzucuh on 12/4/09


The Davidic Covenant:

2nd Samuel 2:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

How much more we have under an ever BETTER Covenant, with BETTER Promises. God will NEVER take His Mercy or the Holy Spirit from His Begotten Children.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit of PROMISE until the day of Redemption. The Seal is a deposit of our inheritance we have In Christ Jesus.

The only ones in the OT who had the anointing of the Holy Spirit on them were KINGS and Prophets.

Don't be confused when David pleads " Don't take the Holy Spirit from me.. He was talking about his anointing as KING, and Saul was removed as King losing his Holy Spirit anointing.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/09




1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy, for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence, and take not thy holy spirit from me.
---exzucuh on 12/4/09


Exzuch, when you give Scripture I do not complain if what you interpret is the correct meaning of what God wanted to convey. When I ask for your opinion on angels, it would have been your opinion and what happened to you. There is no way I or anyone can say it is false, since we don't have the ability to see your life.
I believe when you post, you don't want anyone to question what you say. But if that was the case why post anything? You know that you will get a response. I think you are too defensive as someone else said. And maybe you should mellow down. We are not going to take anything away from you.
---MarkV. on 12/4/09


Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced, we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

When I give you scripture you complain and say Don't give scripture tell us in you own words.
Now you say it is my opinion. Do you think that you are fooling God. You know you will have to discuss these things with him one day and he will ask you why you rejected them and his servant that told them to you.
---exzucuh on 12/4/09


Exzucuh, then you must have forgotten to put down that what you said was only your opinion. Because what you said concerning the Holy Spirit leaving a genuine believer is not in Scripture. Actually what Mima wrote is from Scripture. I am sorry you could not answer my question, but that is ok. Thanks for the discussion.
---MarkV. on 12/4/09


You misinterpret my intentions I am never angry
Why should I be angry. I am not defending myself or my opinion. Because if I give my opinion I will tell you it's my opinion. The word offends people if I speak the word and you are offended then take it up with God. I am appointed by God to speak his word. And that is what I do and if you find that I am not and can prove I am not I will gladly repent. When I tell you something it will be just like God would tell you because he loves you and will not compromise with your foolishness, that is his chastisement, and if you endure with patience he will call you his Son.
---exzucuh on 12/3/09


Exzucuh, it would not have been hard for you to answer in a kindly manner as I stated in a kindly manner. I was not arguing with God or even you. I love God, we speak of great things.
Why did you respond instead with condemning words? If you had a godly answer you would have answered that way, but you didn't.
You said,
"You will never have the God given ability to see his truth until you submit to his word."
you are talking about submitting to your truth, to your words because you are a preacher, not Scripture Truth. Exz, I even question my pastor, so don't get angry.
---MarkV. on 12/3/09


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---MarkV. on 12/2/09 You are arguing with God and his son Jesus. Not me! Will you tell God that what Jesus says cannot be true and how can God do what his word says? You will never have the God given ability to see his truth until you submit to his word. He give rebels over to what they believe and they destroy themselves with it. Those that agree with false doctrine are in sin, they are in spiritual adultery.
---exzucuh on 12/3/09


Are there anymore Davids in our day to continue to grow in this living romance of His Word/Torah, to be chosen for the 144,000?

Gentile converts will be included!

Psalms 119
140 Thy word is tried to the uttermost, and Thy servant loveth it.

141 I am small and despised, yet have I not forgotten Thy precepts.

142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Thy law is truth.

143 Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Thy commandments are my delight.

144 Thy testimonies are righteous for ever, give me understanding, and I shall live. {P}

145 KOPH. I have called with my whole heart, answer me, O LORD, I will keep Thy statutes.

Does David say Torah is bondage?
---Paul9594 on 12/2/09


Glad to see, exzucuh , Pastor Jim, and Trey are headed in the direction of the Truth, keep running the track!

Our Father bless you!

You men maybe included in the 144,000 Apostleship for these end of days, for using Law and The prophets as your foundation into the Truth!!

Is there anything new under the sun?

Just as Christ placed Apostles with power an authority to lead and restore, in Christ's times, so it will be in these of end of days except the first fruits will be 144,000 with great power and authority to restore and lead! Sealed to bring in the rest of astray sheep, before all hell REALLY breaks loose! Rev. 7 and 14.
---Paul9594 on 12/2/09


Exzucuh, If God says, I never knew you, then how could you have been a child of God? Are you saying that you are a child of God, born of the Spirit, with the righteousness of Christ, and you sin, God will remove His Spirit from within, make you "not born again" stop been your Father, and later say, "I never knew you"? God would be lying then. And God does not lie. Not only that but we are not saved by anything we do or not do, but by Grace through faith. How is it possible for Him to say, I never knew you because you sinned?
---MarkV. on 12/2/09


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---mima on 12/2/09 God will not change his mind about the gifts and calling ,As long as you continue in obedience, And if you sin and repent he can return you to where you have fallen from. But don't make the fatal mistake and think that because there are gifts in operation or miracles that makes you right with God. Jesus will say depart from me ye worker of iniquity I never knew you. Even though you say Lord we cast out devils in your name and did mighty works. The sinful life makes the gifts and calling lying signs and wonders. You have to be a worker of righteousness.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


It is the gift of God. Yet He does leave the persistent unrighteous:

Scriptures proof?

Matthew 7:21-23

Here, MANY Christians with faith in Christ!

Casted out demons, prophesied, man these require the power of the Holy Spirit!
Woman pastoring/teaching, distributing bibles, gospel tracts.,

But after they presented their MIGHTY WORKS, on judgment day.

What did they hear?

And then will I profess to them I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work :LAWLESSNESS.
(Above translation faithful to Greek numeric, its NOT apostate translations)

Some just ignore this passage of judgment day, do you?
I hope your after righteousness by faith, in of His powers to help you!
---Paul9594 on 12/2/09


Acts 2:38 holy spirit is a gift, look at Acts 2:36.. let all the house of Israel know.., that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. who was peter talking to and why he was telling them to repent.
Acts 3:12..Peter.. answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why..look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? 13. The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus, whom ye delivered up, and denied him..
Acts 3:19. Repent..and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (when are their sins going to be blotted out?
---michael_e on 12/2/09


---exzucuh wrote,
"and you cannot keep the Holy Spirit unless you continue to Obey the gospel." But the Scriptures say in Romans 11:29,"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Question would not the Holy Ghost be a gift of God?
---mima on 12/2/09


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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You cannot have the Holy Spirit unless you obey the gospel, and you cannot keep the Holy Spirit unless you continue to Obey the gospel.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


Jack B, those were great answers you gave. You explained it very clear. I am with Mima, I loved what you said. You are doing a great job brother, for the glory to God.
---MarkV. on 12/2/09


1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy, for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


I myself had problems with this because I had trouble believing, and tried to reject the Holy Spirit. Now some woud say that if you reject the spirit that you can never be forgiven. That is only if you keep on rejecting Him so many times (till death is the limit) that you cannot be forgiven. But the Holy Spirit (which is apart of the Holy Trinity, so God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are with you) will always be with you, bringing you back to the long and narrow path when you stray to the short and broad path.
---Joel on 12/2/09


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---JackB answers are very impressive!!!
---mima on 11/30/09


When we first receive the Holy Ghost how did we do it? By righteous living? By the good deeds we've done for other men?

Not at all. We received Him by faith because the blood of Jesus Christ has justified us and sanctified us. Two acts accomplished by ONE act - His death.(Hebrews 10:10,14) In Gods eyes we are holy! Because the blood is holy! Otherwise no man would be clean enough for the spirit of God to live within him.

Hate to break it to ya, but your flesh in VERY unclean. It is sinful. It will be until the day it dies. Yet the Spirit of Christ indwells each believer and Jesus promised us He would NEVER leave us nor forsake us.
---JackB on 11/30/09


How do so many miss it? Its Gods grace

If you believe..

1. Nothing you can do will ever earn Gods favor because we are stained with sin.
2. The penalty for sinning and breaking Gods law is eternity seperated from Him
3. That God is his great mercy and grace became a man and died in your place.
4. The act that He did for you has removed the curse you were under for breaking His Laws
5. He tells us we are no longer "under the law" but "under grace"
6. That we are no longer condemned but assured the same reward as Christ himself received because of what He did on our behalf.

You WILL love God. That truth will touch you in a way you never thought possible. It will change your life forever.
---JackB on 11/30/09


As long as we cling to a guilty conscience feeling we are somehow honoring CHrist, we will never grasp the wonder of His forgiveness and how He wants us to press on and not cling to our pasts.

He wants us to love others AS we love ourselves. If we have no self love, we wont be able to extend love to others.
The only way we can have that proper self love is to get it from God. To let the truth of His gospel sink in deeeeeep. To realize the extent of His love and let our self hatred go.

You are going to Heaven because of what Jesus Christ has done for you. Believe it. Let you soul be glad. Praise God for His grace all the days of your life. Live for Him because of what He has done for you. Do NOT live in fear of Him
---JackB on 11/30/09


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Yes, by telling him to leave.
---Eloy on 11/30/09


yes he will leave a unclean body
Acts 26:19,20 A person need not seek the Holy Ghost until the vessel is clean, empty vessels. The Holy Ghost will not dwell in a unclean temple.
---Mary on 11/30/09


Yes. The more you let in the negativity the good will go out. And the more you let in the good, the negativity will go out.
Now you tell me.
---Jack_fossett on 12/3/07


To those of you who insist on choosing to reject the words of Jesus,and have it like Mc donald{your way}.

Define a few words for me please.
abide
always
forever
end of age
never leave
never forsake
eternal life
If these words mean what the dictionary define,then these are but a few things that Jesus promises the believer,concerning the Holy Spirit.

If you reject what Jesus say YOU REJECT JESUS,any have it your way.
---lionel on 12/2/07


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I would just like to say, Lionel, thanks for your biblical answers.

Lord bless you,
---trey on 11/28/07


"It says noone can say Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Ghost." Here's an interesting fact about this statement. Because I'm a street preacher and work with everyone I meet Sometimes I run across people who can not call Jesus Lord. It is really very, very sad and unnerving.
---Mima on 11/28/07


Jesus said "not all that say Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of God."
It says noone can say Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Ghost.
Not all who have the Holy Ghost shall retain it even though they call him Lord now.
But then again, even saying he is Lord "by the Holy Ghost" isn't taught anymore and many who talk about him have never truly said he is Lord.
We see that here all of the time.
Frank
---Frank on 11/21/07


The problem is in not using the whole word of God. We are sealed "unto" the day of redemption. In that day many shall not be quickened when the earnest of the Spirit departs. That good work done in them "unto the day of the Lord" will have been denied for their wants and thoughts and like Joseph, a righteous man, they will find the Lord put them away prively and allowed to think they were saved.They knew him with a carnal mind but did not submit to the teaching of his Spirit.
Frank
---Frank on 11/21/07


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Rebecca

The word SEAL is defined thus,something that confirms,ratifies,or makes sure: GUARANTEE ASSURANCE.

If one would hear Jesus concering the HOLY SPIRIT'S FUNCTION,one will notice .
1)listen to Jesus in John 14:16 I will pray the father and he shall give you another comforter,that he may abide with you FOREVER.
2)John 14:26 Comforter will teach.
3)The comforter guide into all truths.
---lionel on 11/21/07


Rebecca

Statements you made are not supported by scripture.

2 cor.1:21-22Now he establisheth use with you in christ ,and hath anointed us,is God, Who hath also sealed us,and given the earnest of the holy spirit in our hearts.

Eph.1:13 In whom you also trusted,after you heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation,in whom also after you believed,you were sealed with the holy spirit of promise

Eph.4:30 You are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption.
---lionel on 11/21/07


Yes, if that person isn't abiding in the Holy Ghost, then he will leave. God will not stay in a house that doesn't want him to stay there.
---Rebecca_D on 11/20/07


Matthew 16:28 and Mark 9:1 show that many that have eternal life shall not taste of death until the return of the Lord. It bears witness to the scripture that says that the Spirit shall return to God who gave it. Those deceived shall not enter the kingdom of God as Revelation says. They will have spent their whole life thinking they were saved. Yet too pround, rebellious and unbelieveing to submit to the word of God over what they want to believe.
Frank
---Frank on 11/19/07


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Jesus said He would never leave you.

Jesus said all that the father gave unto me I lost one{judas}.

nothing one can do to make the spirit leave.

Jesus said I will be with you always,even to the end of the age.
---lionel on 11/19/07


8)
11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.

Is such a person still saved? A resounding NO unless he/she was to repent. Galations 5:19-21 attests to that. OSAS contradicts other scriptures. Two I have mentioned is the parable of the prodigal son and James 5:19-20.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


9)When people say man can't help but sin they reject the promise from God that says God will lead all His people out of temptation and provide a way out.(1 Corinth 10:13,James 1:12,2 Peter 2:9) The response is "well if that was possible we wouldn't need Jesus", on the contrary, we must have Jesus in order to have power over sin and overcome the world, it can't be done of our own power. That is why everyone has sinned because we are born into sin.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


10) Not all sins lead to spiritual death.
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Small sins that don't come from en evil heart won't damn a person's soul. Like worrying, and doubting God's promises.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


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11)
Galations 5:19-21 and Revelation 21:8 lists sins that do lead to death. So no I am not sinless. I commit those sins not unto death probably daily. Even if I wasn't to repent of those sins not unto death I would still make it. You must yield to CHrist in order to stay clear of sins that do lead to death. It's impossible to do it of your own power. Don't be deceived into thinking you can remain in those sins listed above and go to heaven. Such an idea directly contradicts those passages above.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


3)
God doesn't forsake those who remain true to Him. That is what makes sense. The parable of the prodigal son is most important he is called dead and lost. You don,t have eternal life when you are dead and lost. But the son came back to the Father(repentance) and became alive again. The son was not saved while in the world. Neither are we saved when we return the world. Whether it will be returning to drunkeness,adultery,lieing etc.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


4)
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

When you go back to the world you are no longer in Christ because....
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


5)
That last post was Galations 5.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

If you fall back into willfull sin and don't repent are you still in Christ? The prodigal sin was called dead and lost and then alive again when he repented.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


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6)

Hebrews 10:26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Some people will tell you this means that no more atonement is needed and use it as a defense for "automatic forgiveness" in doing so they glance over and give no attention to the next verse.

27But[instead] a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


7)
The Galations fell from grace by following the law again.

If I see someone who is in willfull sin with no repentance, like drukeness,idolatry,lieing,adultery etc. I will obey the Word.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11
9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters, for then must ye needs go out of the world.

---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


2)
Deuteronomy 31:16-17



16And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

17Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them,...
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


"I will never leave or forsake thee". That was a quote from
Deuteronomy 4:31
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God,) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The promise to Israel that God will never forsake Israel. The same is true for us he will never forsake us either. Jesus will never cast out those in Him either. It doesn't change the fact that we can walk away from God.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/16/07


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Some of you on here should grow up,mature,listen to what jesus says.

Can one who is born of the spirit{HOLY SPIRIT}of God be unborn of the spirit,if so please show scripture.

What did Jesus say about the comforter{holy ghost}never leaving.

What did Jesus say about those that come to him he would NEVER CAST OUT.

Hebrews13:5. I{JESUS}will never leave the, nor forsake the.
---LIONEL on 11/16/07


The Spirit of God was with then later left Saul(1 Samuel 11:6,1 Samuel 16:14) After David commited adultery he wrote this in a Psalm written by himself

Psalm 51:11
11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


2)
If you believe the Holy Spirit can't leave it won't prevent God's Spirit from leaving.
You can walk into a freeway and believe there are no cars and trucks but that won't keep you from getting run over. The Spirit of God left Saul.

Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.


God shows no favoritism. If it can happen to Saul it can happen to anyone.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


3)
James 5:19-20


19Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him,

20Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Brethren means brothers and sisters, those who are in Christ. That death is Spiritual death.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


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4)
The prodigal son was dead(spiritual) and lost while in the world so he was not saved.
When he came back to the Father the scriptures say literally he became "alive again".


Luke 15:32
It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again, and was lost, and is found.

Luke 15:24
For this my son was dead, and is alive again, he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


5)
Alive again shows he was once alive, then dead when he was in the world and alive again after coming back in repentance. That is the truth. You people don't realize how many go to hell because they believed they were OSAS. If they hadn't of believed that they would of repented. It's very easy for a person to not repent of a sin when they believe they are always saved.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


6)
Too many go to hell because they listen to a preacher who kept telling them you are always saved while they were in willfull sin. Thus they didn't repent and thus they never got saved despite the fact they believed in Christ. I believe there are people who believe in OSAS out there who are saved(I have seen them). But it's almost wishfull thinking to say a person who teaches OSAS can be saved.
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


7)
If you are helping people believe a lie that can prevent one from entering the kingdom then how can you enter in? Once in a while when I reject a temptation I ask myself, "If I believed in OSAS would I have gave in?" The simple and sensible answer is absolutely. Thank God I don't believe that because if I did I could never be holy.(Hebrews 12:14)
---Matthew_from_LA on 11/15/07


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No. "When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD, My Spirit that is upon you, and My words which I have placed in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth,... saith the LORD, from henceforth and forever. Neither will I hide my face anymore from them, for I have poured out MY Spirit upon the house of Israel (as His called and chosen)."
---Josef on 11/15/07


12. God rebukes and chastens those he loves.

The correct answer is True.

Revelation 3:19 - As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Be zealous therefore, and repent.
Eternal security doctrine is a false security.
---Bob on 11/14/07


#-1-The answer to this deep question, if understood, reveals absolute eternal security to the learner.
The following statement is true:
"Also King David, after sinning with Bathsheba, Said take not your Spirit from me.
---Whisper on 11/13/07"
it is truth, because the Scriptures say,"13Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah".
---Mima on 11/14/07


#-2-Notice that the Scripture says the spirit of the Lord CAME UPON DAVID. Upon not in.(Here is the difference upon and not in. Then see this Scripture in John 14:17," Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. -and shall be in you. Jesus went to heaven and sent the holy comforter back to indwell us. And that indwelling Spirit cannot be taken away!
---Mima on 11/14/07


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There is the anointing or outpouring of the Spirit which empowers and gifts you for every circumstance. Anointing can be strong or week. The baptizm of the Holy Spirit is very strong. Yes, you can live in such a way that the anointing in your life is lttle or nothing, and you can live obediently, listening to the Spirit and have a strong anointing.
---john on 11/13/07


This is the danger of Oneness. It leaves you wide open to receiving counterfeit unholy spirits and not the actual baptism of the Holy Spirit.
This is why so many Oneness churches demand that their congregants speak in tongues as evidence of being saved.

Oneness is counterfeit. Many are not receiving the gift of tongues at all, so it is forced upon them to speak, being forced to repeat after someone else who doesn't have authentic tongues either.
---Bob on 11/13/07


Following after false doctrines, passed down through the generations, and with counterfeit spirits in operation, Beezlebub cannot cast out Beezlebub. They have no idea what spirit they are of, they do not know Who the Holy Spirit is. You can hear it in their words. It comes through loud and clear.
False doctrines such as Oneness take you only so far, when they try to explain the Godhead, you find faulty descriptions and beliefs, contradictions everywhere.
---Bob on 11/13/07


It is spiritual. Their words become garbled and mangled, taking you to edge of cliff, leaving you hanging.
---Bob on 11/13/07


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The Holy Spirit is everywhere present.
But if you are a believer in false doctrines, it's doubtful that you have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not reside with darkness.
If you practice witchcraft, even a "good witch", the Holy Spirit is not residing in that person, too.
That's total deception.
Example: If you are a witch and a prophet, your prophecies will be of the occult. They will be of a counterfeit spirit and not be from God.
---Bob on 11/13/07


Blasphememy of the Holy Spirit will cause the Holy Spirit to leave and never return eventuating in the loss of the individuals loss of salvation.
---leah on 11/13/07


Absolutely. The Bible says, My Spirit will not always strive with a man.

Also King David, after sinning with Bathsheba, Said take not your Spirit from me.
---Whisper on 11/13/07


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