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When you ask the question do you beleive in the Trinity what concept are you speaking about?

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---scott on 1/30/10 That does not mean God is a word it means God's word has the Authority of God. The bible says God is a consuming fire
but it does not mean he is fire. It means he can consume like fire. God speaks his word and it does not return void. God sent his Son who is the authority of God in the flesh. He has the word of God written on his side meaning he is given all authority in heaven and earth, As the Father has life in himself the son also has life in himself. Jesus has the fullness of the Holy Spirit and is able to make God known because he does not do his own will but the will of his Father.
---exzucuh on 1/30/10


Brothers/Sisters:choices-hours researching debats of the Church fathers made of clay-Or-study Gods Word with Him confirming its truth-:results-brotherly love.
1Jn2:27-29
These things Have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which have recieved of Him abideth IN YOU,and ye need not that ANY MAN TEACH YOU:....

Focus on 1John5:8 (inclusive-to all others).
"The concept".
3 persons,3 forms,3 ways: agree...
the numbers the same(3)(1).
Is9:6 (CHILD: called mighty GOD,COUNSELOR,Everlasting FATHER).
Matt2:23-25
...Emmanuel:interpreted(GOD WITH US)
Yah is Ruakh(Spirit)and teacher:1Cor2,Jn4:24
His Name is ONE:zech14:9
One God and Father who Spoke,and confirms His Word.
---char on 1/30/10


Char- (2) "One translation out there..." continued

"and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme, 1946

"and the Word was a God." The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek, 1958

"and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz, 1975

"and godlike kind was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, 1978

The coptic also reads "a god" and there are at least 40 translations that I am aware of that render the verse as "Divine" or somthing other than "and the word was God."
---scott on 1/30/10


No verse in God's word (the original, inspired manuscripts) says this.
---scott on 1/30/10

Can you show me where I may read these "manuscripts", provide a search name, something to back up your claims?
If these verses did not exists, then WHY are they still so prominent in NEW MORE ACCURATE translations? (Take in mind that these have been taken directly from the originals)
Like I stated earlier, every version I have read says that the 3 are one.
Why did you ignore the other scripture I gave that says Jesus is God, Holy Spirit is God, and Creator is God?
Clearly from these there ARE 3 parts to ONE God which you fail miserably to understand.
---miche3754 on 1/30/10


Gordon I am not ashamed of females, and my God and I are not female, for we are wholly masculine: and it is blasphemy to call my King of kings and Lord of lords female, and equally blasphemy to call myself female, and also it is sin to call a man, a woman.
---Eloy on 1/30/10




Char- (1) "One translation out there that state that Jesus was a separate god. The New World Translation (John 1:1)

Actually...

"and the word was a god." The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text, 1808

"and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson, 1864

"and the Word was a divine being." La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel, 1928

"and the Word was divine." The Bible- An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, 1935
---scott on 1/30/10


God made man male and female for the purpose of reproduction of Man. God does not need any one to reproduce Spirits he does that himself.

Luke 20:34-36 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

The children of God are neither male or female.
---exzucuh on 1/30/10


"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." -miche3754

As mentioned earlier, these words are not found in the oldest manuscripts. They are regarded (even by prominent trinitarian scholars and apologists) to be spurious and a late addition to God's word.

"I guess you miss the parts in the Bible that says the Holy Ghost is God..." miche3754

Where?

"God is 3 inside one."-miche3754

No verse in God's word (the original, inspired manuscripts) says this.
---scott on 1/30/10


Eloy, Femininity and Femaleness are nothing to be ashamed of, as if acknowledging the Holy Spirit as being Feminine was heresy and blasphemy. I am not knocking men when I say this, I am only stating a fact, that... men, in general, (mostly in Old World times, in Bible Times, etc.),counted women as lesser in importance and value in comparison to themselves. And, especially RELIGIOUS MEN, are doing so today, as for centuries, to the Holy Spirit. Why is it "impossible" that the Holy Spirit would be Feminine, when we know that The Father and Son are Masculine?? The Son YAHUSHUA (JESUS) was made in the Image OF THE FATHER (specifically the Father!), as opposed to the Image of the remaining Person of the Trinity, that is, the Holy Spirit.
---Gordon on 1/30/10


The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and Mary became Pregnant by the Holy Spirit. God is a He, never referred to as She.

You are a She, the whole body of Christ is female his bride. The Church is a Woman and All of God's children are born from her.
---exzucuh on 1/30/10




"Jesus gave us his Commandment to baptize souls in the trinity." Eloy

Jesus said no such thing.

"...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

It's purely eisegetical to conclude from these words that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are a three-in-one God. The verse does not include that information.

If mentioning the three together makes them three parts of one God, a trinity, then Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are also a trinity because they are mentioned together as well.

And what exactly IS the name of the HS?
---scott on 1/30/10


Eloy, Regarding the Feminine Gender of the Holy Spirit: you say that "...GOD needs no woman." The God the Father YAHUVEH had His Helper in Creation, the Holy Spirit, and all was created through the Word "YAHUSHUA", the Son. There is a Hierarchy within this GOD-Head, The Father YAHUVEH is the "Head" of the Trinity. But, They are all Three EQUAL as Persons and for the different Roles that They Each play within the GOD-Head. The human family structure is patterned after this Image of the GOD-Head. The husband and wife are EQUAL in value and importance, but, they have different roles to play in the household. The man is the head of the household, as Father YAHUVEH is the Head of the Trinity.
---Gordon on 1/30/10


God is not three, God is one and has manifested himself through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, his prophets, a donkey, Melchizedek, His Angel, The rock in the Desert, A cloud by day, a pillar of fire by night, a burning bush, The ark of the covenant A hand from heaven writing on the wall, His Son Jesus and now we are supposed be God manifest in our flesh by being one with the Father and the Son through the Holy Spirit. The whole of creation is a manifestation of God, It is God's Spirit that keep's it alive and working, God calls it the Spirit of Life. Now you tell me how man can make a God head theory and leave out the rest of the manifestation of God?
---exzucuh on 1/30/10


Eloy, "AMEN!" to your previous comments about the Holy Trinity. Now, regarding the Gender of the Holy Spirit, being Feminine...Just what exactly is the Role of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is the "Paraclete", the One Who "comes alongside" us, to help the Church. The Spirit also is the Promised "Comforter" sent to assist the Saints. The Holy Spirit does not glorify Herself, rather, She points everyone to the Father and the Son, to glorify Them! Women were made in the Image of the Blessed Holy Spirit, IN THEIR FEMININITY. Women "come alongside" their husbands to be "help mates". Women are also "comforters" to their husbands and children. The Holy Spirit HELPED in Creation.
---Gordon on 1/30/10


Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exodus 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

The only way to distinguish the One true God from all the others is by confessing he is One, to create an image of three is making an idol an image to worship in the Mind of three Gods. There is only one God and our father and one Lord Jesus Christ his Son and the Father and the Son and his Church are one in Gods Spirit.
---exzucuh on 1/30/10


"God is 3 inside one... hard for some to understand" -miche3754

I understand the concept perfectly. It is just not a concept found in God's word. If so what scripture says that "God is three inside one"?
---scott on 1/29/10
1 John 5
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I guess you miss the parts in the Bible that says the Holy Ghost is God, Jesus is God and the Father is God, and these 3 are one, Scott.
In case you didn't know Jesus IS the WORD.(see St. John ch.1)
Matt 28:19 speaks of the 3. John 10:30 Jesus and father are one.
John 14:26 Holy Spirit is from the Father.
---miche3754 on 1/29/10


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One translation out there that state that Jesus was a separate god.

*New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures*
John1:1
In [the]beginning the Word was,and the Word was with God,and the Word was a god.

HuH?
---char on 1/29/10


Scott, God's words which honorably bears true witness with God's Word is publicly proven to be the Truth and not spurious: and the unregenerate clay's words whom foolishly bears false witness against God's Word is publicly proven to be the Lie and spurious.
---Eloy on 1/30/10


Carla, the holy trinity is manifested in both the old testament and the New testament, and was publicly preached by God's people in both dispensations. And in the New Testament Jesus gave us his Commandment to baptize souls in the trinity. And Jesus came and spoke to them saying: "Go you all therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Evenso, we can see on this blog that there are some who frequently speak falsehood and contradict authentic recorded history.
---Eloy on 1/30/10


Miche3754 and Exzucuh..Amen!
//When we have the Holy Spirit in us we have God's Spirit in us.When we see Jesus,he is God in Flesh.But all are God//
Beautifully put...

Exzucuh gave scripture supporting your statement.John17:23-17:21 Mark12:29,Acts 4:29-30
Thanks Exzucuh!

more...again!(satan knows them well!)
Is 9:6(Prophecy)
For unto us a Child is born,unto us a Son is given:and the goverment shall be upon His shoulder:His name shall be called
Wonderful,Counselor,THE MIGHTY GOD,THE EVERLASTING FATHER,the Prince of Peace.
Matt10:23(Prophecy fulfilled)
Behold a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a Son and they shall call His Name EMMANUEL,which being interpreted "GOD WITH US".
---char on 1/29/10


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There have been books from ancient Christian times written on this teaching, and you expect it to be adequately handled in 125 words?
---Cluny on 1/29/10


"God is 3 inside one... hard for some to understand" -miche3754

I understand the concept perfectly. It is just not a concept found in God's word. If so what scripture says that "God is three inside one"?
---scott on 1/29/10


"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Hopefully this is more clear.
---scott on 1/29/10

This is talking about three witnesses from the Father that Jesus is his Son,that he gave from heaven.
1.He spoke it,
2. He sent his word by the prophets,
3.And sent the witness of the Holy Ghost in Jesus name
THe other is three witnesses in the earth for salvation
1. water baptism
2.Spirit baptism
3. blood atonement
---exzucuh on 1/29/10


Yes Scott, I understand completely that God is one AND he is 3.
You think he is only one and NOT 3 at all.
This concept is very hard for some to understand but God is 3 inside one. The 3 is where people get the trinity concept from not to mention that the word of God does say baptize in the NAME of the father, son, and Holy Ghost.
And what we should be asking is what is their name?
Their name is JESUS. All 3 are fully GOD in 3 different forms. They are not bits and pieces of Him. God in heaven the father, creator. When we have the Holy Spirit in us, we have God's spirit in us. When we see Jesus, he is God in the flesh. But ALL are God.
---miche3754 on 1/29/10


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mich33754,

More accurately I should have stated that the spurious words are as follows (highlighted in yellow)-

1 John 5:7, 8- KJV

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Hopefully this is more clear.
---scott on 1/29/10


mich33754

A simple search on the topic the "Johannine comma" (1 John 5:7) will reveal that the words "and these three are one" (KJV) are a spurious late addition.
---scott on 1/29/10


Even if the antiTrinatarian people want to cut out .....triune identity of God is found riddled throughout the entire Holy Bible.
*****

If it is "riddled" throughout scripture why does Christ OMIT Holy Spirit when he states he is ONE with The Father?

If it is "riddled" throughout scripture then why did Apostles and Christ not REFER to a beastly "3-being god" just like pagan believers do?

pagan trinity was adopted by MOTHER RCC (Rev 17) sometime after 300AD and through her pagan philosophers using LIES and chaotic babblings to imply this idea ...abomination of trinity god applied to The Father in Heaven is antichrist to Holy Word
---Rhonda on 1/29/10


Peace, and may GOD forgive you all.
---Ed on 1/29/10


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Gordon, not quite. There is No Female in the Godhead, none, that is blasphemey: for the woman was made for man as a helpermate and companmion, and God needs no woman. A rib was taken from the man, and then God formed a woman out of it for to be a companion for the man and to procreate, because Adam felt without and wanted to have a partner and have siblings as the animals had little ones.
---Eloy on 1/29/10


"triune identity of God is found riddled throughout the entire Holy Bible." Eloy

If that's true, please cite one verse (other than the obviously spurious 1 John vs) that says that there are three Gods (or persons) within one God. A clear statement of a triune God.

Surely if this 'triune identity" is 'riddled throughout' God's word we should expect to find one clear statement that we find later (381 ce and beyond) in the creeds written by uninspired men.
---scott on 1/29/10


Gordon, not quite. There is No Female in the Godhead, none, that is blasphemy: for the woman was made for man as a helpermate and companion, and God needs no woman. A rib was taken from the man, and then God formed a woman out of it for to be a companion for the man and to procreate, because Adam felt without and wanted to have a partner and have siblings as the animals had little ones.
---Eloy on 1/29/10


Eloy,

If 1 John 5:7,8 originally included the words that you are defending...

Why did none of the 'church fathers' use this verse, these words, during the Nicene controversy, and all of the controversies that followed for years thereafter?

This, without a doubt, would have be THE go to scripture when arguing in favor of the trinity doctrine.

It was never referred to once.

Why?
---scott on 1/29/10


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The Revised Version omits this verse, and does not even mention it in the margin, and none of the newer translations includes it. It is quite certain that it does not belong to the original text."-scott
And which version would be that be, Scott?

Every version I checked (20) and they all say in 1 John 5 that there are 3 in heaven and in earth that bear witness. Maybe not in the same way, but they mean just that. That God is 3 in one.
Please tell what version of the Bible you are using that says there is not 3?
---miche3754 on 1/29/10


Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Mark 12:29 The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is -->one<-- Lord:

Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

Acts 4:29-30 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, By stretching forth thine hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
---exzucuh on 1/29/10


Romans 3:30 Seeing it is -->one God<--, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but -->one<--.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but -->one God, the Father<--, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
---exzucuh on 1/29/10


The trinity is not in the word of God, We are commanded to believe in one God the Father and
his Son Jesus Christ. WE are commanded to believe in The Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is Not another person, The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father by which he is one with Jesus and we are one with them together,

John 17:21 That they all may be one,
as thou, Father, art in me,
and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us:

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and -->we<-- will come unto him, and make -->our<-- abode with him.

Jesus and the church are in the Holy Spirit of the Father together.
---exzucuh on 1/29/10


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The Trinity Doctrine is a combined effort of a group of men to make a doctrine of God to force all believers to follow. This doctrine
was devised to separate what they called heretics from the catholic church.

Revelation 13:14 saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
---exzucuh on 1/29/10


The Trinity is GOD as a Divine "UNIT" of Three Persons. Father YAHUVEH, Son YAHUSHUA (JESUS) and Holy Spirit SHKHINYAH. When we speak of GOD in His Fullness, we are referring to all Three Persons together as ONE. When GOD declared to the Nation of Israel that "The LORD your GOD is ONE." He meant that He is a Single Unification of Three Divine Persons. Mankind is made in THEIR Image. GOD, in Genesis, says "Let US make man in OUR Image." and, then, "Male AND female created He them. Both sexes were created in THEIR Image. So, there must be a Masculine Gender and a Feminine Gender within the Triune GOD-Head. Just as three or more people: father, mother and child(ren) make up one family "unit".
---Gordon on 1/29/10


scott, you are incorrect. Tyndale professed that there is more than one Greek MSS containing this passage which was being used in the churches in his day. Even if the antiTrinatarian people want to cut out this very basic passage on the Triune God, this same triune identity of God is found riddled throughout the entire Holy Bible. So if you cut out this passage from God's Word, then you are still left with the same passages elsewhere in the Holy Bible. And if antiTrinity person, which is the eqvivalent to antiGod and antiChrist and antiHolyGhost, satiate themselves with such debauchery then you will have to cut up large sections of the whole Bible which will leave you with nothing, which is exactly what the antiChrist person has anyway, nothing.
---Eloy on 1/29/10


I think it is wonderful how people can read the Holy Bible and not receive the truth in it. They like to run to and fro and look for some substitute for the truth. The "Textus Receptus" is called the Received Text for a reason. But unsaved souls want to cut this part out, and cut that part, and cut this part out, and cut that part out. Chop away onto your own loss, O vain man, perhaps you would be happier with only a front cover and a back cover to your so-called bible, and then you could put between the two covers whatsoever you desire.
---Eloy on 1/29/10


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1John5:7
bear record-bear witness,as in v6.In heaven,The texts read,"Spirit,and the water",omitting all the words form "heaven" to "in earth".The words are not in any Greek MS.before the sixteenth century.In the margin of some Latin copies is were they were first seen.
Is9:6
For unto us a Child is born,unto us a Son is given:and the government shall be upon His shoulder:and His name shall be called
Wonderful,Counselor,The mighty GOD,The everlasting Father,The Prince of Prince.
1Jn5:
Vs6 texts read "in the Blood"
vs7 bear witness in Heaven "the Spirit and the water"
vs 8 (inclusive)
1.Spirit 2.water 3.blood

*Agree*

Amen.
---char on 1/28/10


Eloy (and Char) "Look it up." (1 John 5:7 ,8) Eloy

I did. This is what I found:

Highly respected trinitarian scholar, minister (Trinity Church), Professor (University of Glasgow and Marburg University), author (The Daily Study Bible Series, etc.), and Bible translator Dr. William Barclay states the following about this passage:

"In the Authorized Version [KJV] there is a verse which we have altogether omitted [in Barclay's NT translation]. It reads, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one." Continued
---scott on 1/28/10


"Look it up." I did. Continued

"The Revised Version omits this verse, and does not even mention it in the margin, and none of the newer translations includes it. It is quite certain that it does not belong to the original text."

"It does not occur in any Greek manuscript earlier than the 14th century. The great manuscripts belong to the 3rd and 4th centuries [some say 4th and 5th], and it occurs in none of them."

"None of the great early fathers of the Church knew it. Jerome's original version of the Vulgate does not include it. The first person to quote it is a Spanish heretic called Priscillian who died in A. D. 385."
---scott on 1/28/10


The trinity or triune God can be illustrated as a triangle, which has thee points, and yet one shape: Or again the triune God can be illustrated as water, it is water at normal room temperature, a solid shape at freezing temperature, and vapor at boiling temperature: being three forms, and yet the same one substance.
---Eloy on 1/28/10


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: Or yet again the triune God can be illustrated as three drops of water dropped upon each other will equal one drop of water.
---Eloy on 1/28/10


"Concept"-Some see three persons-one God:
God the Father,God the Son,God the Holy Spirit.
Others:One God in three forms.
God as Father,His Word as Son,God as Holy Spirit.
Praise Him For His Mercy and Grace.
The Love of God in us will push us to keep seeking-knocking on the door:he's on the other side.
We must continue to edify and encourage one another in Love.
God is Love-within and through this love:all things are possible.
The definitive message:
repentance and remission:He alone gets the Glory.
Is9:6
For unto us a Child is born,unto us a Son is given:the government shall be upon His shoulder:His name shall be called Wonderful,
Counselor,the mighty GOD,The everlasting Father,The Prince of Peace.
---char on 1/28/10


Scott, look it up.
---Eloy on 1/28/10


Char, Thank you. It is my pleasure. There is much false doctrine today, and people need to get back to the raw Holy Bible, and not any of those new fan-dangled unholy bibles on the market, but get one of the real Holy Bibles and read it for themselves. And here is a pearl: Whenever you hear any person, even a so-called preacher, who disses Christ and disses the born-again Christian, they are blaspheming: and here is another gem: If it does not sound right to you then most likely it is not, and the Holy Spirit of God is letting you know that it is falsehood which is not of God.
---Eloy on 1/28/10


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Deu.6 v 4. Jewish called God Jahova, Elohim,other,ONE God. They didn't devide Him into 2-3 god's or persons in a godhead. 1stTim.3 v 16 One God,Phillip asked the Lord show us the Father,Jesus said when you see me you've seen the Father(One God),Thomas aft he seen Jesus wounds he said my Lord & my God(One God). God's Church was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41,about 300 yr's later,the devil 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15 got into the mind,the first pope which devised The Mother apost-church, r-catholocism the first trin-church,started the trin-teachings. Devil believes in 1 God & trembles,he has people believing in a 2-3 g-head. For 2nd Cor.11 v's 14-15 is where the tin-teachings started,ends up here in Rev.17 v's 4-6.
---Lawrence on 1/27/10


Eloy,
Very well put.
Amen brother.
---char on 1/27/10


Samuel

1. 1 Col. 1:15- Christ is the "firstborn of all creation."

"Jesus was the first-born (prototokos) of his mother (Mt. 1:25, Lk. 2:7) .... Jesus is also the first-born of his heavenly Father. He is the first-born of all creation...(Col. 1:15-17). Similarly, he is the first-born in the new creation by being raised first from the dead" - New Bible Dictionary, (2nd ed.), 1982, p. 378, Tyndale House Publ.

See also Prov. 8:22-30 (applied to Christ by Paul and numerous church 'fathers'). And Micah 5:2 where Christ has a "motsaah" origin.

2. Eph 3:9? Read it again.

3. Rev 4? This is directed to "Lord God Almighty." The Father.
---scott on 1/27/10


It is the concept that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God the father are one. I believe it is beyond human comprehension and is often passed off as false bc it is not understood. I can hardly wait for the day when we will be shown all mysteries.
---jody on 1/27/10


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"There are many verses professing that this gospel is salvation." ELoy

Name just one verse that indicates that belief in the (trinitarian) "gospel is salvation".

No such claim is made in God's word. The trintarian 'belief' was not connected to 'salvation' or required in some ecumenical way until 381 ce.
---scott on 1/27/10


Catherine, the word "trinity" is indeed in the Bible, it is the greek word "treiseis", and it is found in I John 5:7,8. lit.Gk: "Because three being who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the WSord, and his Holy Ghost, and these the three in being: also three being who bear witness upon the earth, his Spirit, and his water, and his blood, and triune (ie.Gk: treiseis) his in being."
---Eloy on 1/27/10


The trinity concept Is Man-made. Started with the first pope of r-catholocism The Mother apostate church with her apostate daughters churches came later on, Rev.17 v's 4-6. Including the muslam god, hindu's etc. There is More of these in the world. For broad is the way that leadeth to destruction (hell) & be many to go in thereat. Many Big Flocks the devil has because of here, 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15.

There's less of of Jesus Christ Name Family Body of Churches in the world, according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20. Fear ye not little flock. Srait is the gate & narrow is the way & be but few to find it.
---Lawrence on 1/27/10


Good point Cathlene.

YOu are correct Scott the words that I used are not stated directly in the way I said them.

But John 1 does teach that JESUS and GOD were together from the beginning of creation. Eph 3:9 Cols 1:16 and Rev 4 teach that JESUS is the creator. Rev 4 also teaches that JESUS is to be worshipped as the Creator. Along with Hebrews 1.

The problem is not that the Bible does not teach the trinity it is with those who refuse to accept what the Bible says about JESUS.
---Samuel on 1/27/10


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The Trinity is a biblical concept that expresses the dynamite character of God, [not a Greek idea pressed into Scripture from philosophical or religious speculation]. The term "Trinity", you won't find in the Bible. However, the concept does appear throughout the New Testament, to make clear, God's presence through Jesus Christ, by means of the Spirit [manifested]. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit>>>God the Father imparts Himself to mankind through Son and Spirit without ceasing to be Himself is at the very heart of the Christian faith. Anyone who professes to be a Christian, but, denys the Trinity, is a LIAR!
---catherine on 1/27/10


"The trinity" is "The Triune God". God the Father bore man the Son whom bore the Holy Spirit. This belief is essential because: if you deny Jesus is God, then you deny his Almighty Godhood: and if you deny that God became a human Son, then you deny a Redeemer who relates to humans: and if you deny that God is the Holy Ghost, then you deny his Omnipresence and that he is holy. There are many verses professing that this gospel is salvation: "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost: therefore also that holy thing which will be born of you will be called the Son from God. For to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord." Mt.1:20+ Lk.1:35+ 2:11.
---Eloy on 1/27/10


The Adumic Hebrew Alef-Beth letters suggest they were designed by YAHusho Himself.
AL is Creator of universe."ALef" is "Word" and is AL's FIRST "Word".The "ef" is "the Word Being":formed.
There is only one AL and One Mediator between Al and Men:YAH's Anointed YAHusho-Himself as a ransom for ALL.
The WORD was FIRST and became FLESH.John 1:1-14
YAH is RUAKH:Spirit-YHWH spoke out HIS WORD by HIS BREATH:RUAKH-Spirit.John4:24
"I am the ALuf and Thaw-The FIRST and Last.I was in Beginning and will be in the End.
Is9:Child Called:Father-Counselor
Matt1:23- Childs name-Emmanuel:God with us
Zech14:9-His name is One
John 10:30-"Father and I are ONE".
---char on 1/27/10


"There is one GOD. He is three persons who have existed in harmony and equality since the begining." Samuel
No scripture says this.

"GOD the son and GOD the Holy Ghost." Samuel
No scripture says this.

"It is based on what the Scripture teaches." Samuel
No again. Where is the trinitarian concept (not inferred or pieced together) but actually, to use your word, 'taught'?
---scott on 1/26/10


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John is only teaching modalism if you ignore his first sentance.

There is one GOD. He is three persons who have existed in harmony and equality since the begining. GOD the Father, GOD the son and GOD the Holy Ghost. This doctrine was developed in tying to understand how JESUS could be GOD yet at the same time there was a GOD in heaven and how a comforter who was like JESUS could come take His place.

It is based on what the Scripture teaches.
---Samuel on 1/26/10


This concept is best explained in the movie "Nuns on the run."

See the clip "Nuns on the run- Holy Trinity explained" on YouTube.

Hee hee.
---scott on 1/26/10


Hello "ALL"...Peace of Christ.

You say ...>>When you ask the question do you beleive in the Trinity what concept are you speaking about?<<<

About a doctrine that a pagan fellow named Quintus Septimus Florens Tertullianus a.k Tertullian, came up with....in the year 250-260 a.d.. and!!! is the heart of christendom....Not Christianity....

God Bless.......Brother James
---Brother_James on 10/12/08


John,
Just so you know, what you've described is not actually the Trinity concept but Modalism (1 God, three modes) or Sabellianism. It's viewed as heresy by most trinitarians.
---scott on 10/12/08


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I believe there is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit. All of them God, but each one having a separate person and work. One God, manifesting as a Father, Son, and Spirit.
---john on 10/9/08


Three persons in one. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. notice, the word God in all three.++
---catherine on 11/16/07


(2) So, these scriptures show me the Holy Spirit is an individual Person, with the love purpose of personally caring for the church. Meanwhile, our Father cares for creation and making things work out for God's people...like how a human father in his family has the love purpose of provision and protection while his helpmate cares for the kidos.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/15/07


(3) For each Person of God there is a love purpose. The Holy Spirit prepares us for our Groom Jesus, by sharing God's love with us, "in our hearts", we have in Romans 5:5. So, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God's love, Carla. I offer, only God can be the Spirit of His very own love (o:, so I can see it is very clear the Holy Spirit is God...as the Person specializing in making us loving like our Groom so we are compatible with Him so we can spend eternity together (((o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/15/07


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(1) The Holy Spirit spoke as an individual, in Acts 13:2, and the church did a policy that "seemed good to the Holy Spirit" (Acts 15:28). So, the Holy Spirit, I'd say, did relate personally as an individual with the Christian church. And so, I can see that the Holy Spirit is an autonomous individual Person. Also, we have how the Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us" (Romans 8:26), showing me that He has inter-Personal intercessory communication with our Heavenly Father.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/15/07


Trinity Quiz

20. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.

The correct answer is True.


Romans 8:11 - But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.





---Bob on 11/14/07


Trinity Quiz

15. The Holy Spirit is God.

The correct answer is True.


Acts 5:3-4 - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

The Holy Spirit is God



---Bob on 11/14/07


Please be more specific some say god has three legs one body, some three persons in one, an entity that is the same as ice, water and steam? Why can't God be one being Christ another and the Holy spirit another but all functioning as one? Scriptures pertaining the Holy spirit never explain him as Christ, but Christ makes himself one with God. The scriptures explain all are one but the Holy Spirit never spoke as an individual Please EXPAIN?
---Carla5754 on 11/14/07


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Please be more specific some say god has three legs one body, some three persons in one, an entity that is the same as ice, water and steam? Why can't God be one being Christ another and the Holy spirit another but all functioning as one? Scriptures pertaining the Holy spirit never explain him as Christ, but Christ makes himself one with God. The scriptures explain all are one but the Holy Spirit never spoke as an individual Please EXPAIN?
---Carla5754 on 11/14/07


Do you believe God is three Persons in one...the Father and His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit? I understand God is a spiritual Being almighty in love absolutely perfectly beautiful in pleasant peace and joy, and He is personally loving with each of us who live this love for all people. He can live in different forms...of the Trinity and in each of us.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/13/07


**One God, manifesting as a Father, Son, and Spirit.**

"Manifesting" is precisely the wrong word to use. This is not Trinitarian Christianity, but Sabellian-Modalism (aka Oneness).
---Jack on 11/13/07


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