How Is Satan An Angel
Daystar, Lucifer, Bright One, Morning Star and a few more beside these are all words translated into our English Bibles for the Hebrew word Heylel found in Isaiah14. As you know, in the Book of Revelation, Jesus calls himself the Bright Morning Star or Daystar. Since Jesus used it of Himself, I cannot see it as wrong for any Christian organization to use Daystar as a Christian name for their group.
All of Isaiah's prophecies are very messianic... INCLUDING chapter 14 if you look a little closer.
Check out some of the terms in Is14: ceased oppression, King, Tree, Taunt(mock), Like Most High, sceptre, ascend above clouds/stars and Daystar(latin: lucifer).
HINT HINT... ch14 is a prophecy by "Isaiah".
---Legends on 2/28/11|
Robyn, what you wrote on 2/25/11 sounds exactly like those people of the WOF you see on TBN and Daystar.
I often wonder how many people know the name "DAYSTAR" was also a name used for "LUCIFER."
---Rob on 2/27/11|
Satan was originally an angel. He was thrown from heaven because he was divisive,arrogant and full of pride.God hates these sins. He wanted to take over and do things the way he wanted to. Like a lot of us christians today.Headstrong,willful, Everything has to have a head. Everyone cannot be a leader. The bible says he was a most beautiful angel(Lucifer)
---Robyn on 2/25/11|
The subject of Isaiah 14 did have a high position. A non-adulterated reading of the chapter tells us the high position he held was "going to be" King of Babylon. This happened 100 years or so after the prophecy by Isaiah(see Daniel).
God left pre-instructions starting at Isaiah14:4 for the oppressed people to taunt their former oppressor, Nebuchadnezzar, for boasting about his tree growing higher than the clouds and stars in heaven. Confirmation is in Daniel ch4:11. Heaven in both Isaiah's context and Daniels context CLEARLY do not mean the invisible realm but the dream of a visible natural heaven which includes a visible really tall TREE seen from every part of the known world, visible clouds and visible stars.
---Legends on 2/6/11|
The visible, celestial realm is called heaven. Confusion happens in Isaiah partly because we also call God's invisible realm Heaven. The best way to determine which HEAVEN is meant is by close scrutiny of context.
Isaiah 14:12: The king's tree was "fallen" from heaven because it was cut down or felled. FELL is an Old English term meaning Chopped Down a TREE.
Earlier context establishes TREE: "Since thou art laid down, no FELLER is come up against us."Is.14:8
The tree was cut ON EARTH, FROM EARTH NOT HEAVEN. See STUMP in Dan4:14. Like a fallen Sequoyah tree, the HIGH toppled. But was cut on Earth/fell down to Earth. Isaiah/Daniel teach nothing about an angel's fall from Heaven.
---Legends on 2/6/11|
shirley: you wrote that Lufifer/Satan wa originally dealing with music
I read something similar in an analogy by Tolkien, some years back
As I do respect Tolkien, could you explain how you undersood this (if you want to contact me, it is Peter3594, in Greece, friendship, you will find me quickly!)
---peter3594 on 2/1/11|
No problems brother! I find typing mistakes in my blogs after it's too late all the thyme(LOL).
We all know in part and speak the accurate word of God in part. Peter, what part of the truth you have is the part I need to hear. This blog is full of people who only have part. The more people realize that, we will see less high-minded condemnations of each others' blogs.
I Love your spirit!
---Legends on 2/1/11|
Legends: THanks for your comment about Hebrew 1 - yes, we are told that Jesus is well above any angel.
The comment about stars being connected to the offspring of Abraham is also a very reasonable meaning - I do not fully understand Revelation, so I am only guessing!
PS - Sorry, I previously wrote Isaiah 16 insead of Isaiah 14 (you had mentioned it, sorry, I wrote it incorrectly!)
---Peter on 2/1/11|
Legends: You are correct in saying that Isaiah 16 does not say Lucifer was an angel. But I find it more likely that he had a high position before falling
I also take it that the 'dragon' in revelation is satan, which again (as the dragon is said to have thrown down one third of the stars) implies some power
I had the impression (not sure) that the stars MAY imply one third of the angels, but I am not sure
All this is largely guesswork
What we know for sure is that satan is bent on harming us, drawing us away from God
What satan's nature is, exactly, we need not know
---Peter on 2/1/11|
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light
The Bible says that Lucifer's job was the light bearer and to sing God's praises. That he was chief among these. In fact he was the music(Isiah 14).
Now he uses the things given to him by God to twist, lie and entice people to turn from God. He perverts everything of God and will use what ever means necessary.
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour
---ginger on 1/31/11|
Update! Not only should we carefully scrutinize what in parenthesis, we've really got to pay attention to how people explain a verse to say something that that particular verse never says. Isaiah 14 in no way reflects the interpretations of many.
Revelation 12 in no way reflect the interpretations of many. You will not find any scripture in the Bible that clearly or even unclearly says that Satan is or was any kind of angel.
Transliterations say it, but the original language simply does not bear that out.
Religious Tradition is really hard to see in order to stop.
---Legends on 1/31/11|
Jacques, Satan WAS a holy angel. He is NOW an evil fallen angel. He is called a Dragon for that is what he is like. A fierce ugly killer-Dragon. That, in the Eyes of GOD. Satan has been able to keep his angelic powers, only he uses them for evil. For to kill, to steal and to destroy. He uses his might, his influence and his power to deceive and to drag as many people to Hell and to the Lake of Fire as he can.
---Gordon on 1/31/11|
Jesus created Heylel a beautiful winged angel. And when Heylel sinned, his beauty was turned to vileness, then God threw him out of heaven, and his location is now on his belly eating dirt. "How have you fallen from heaven, Heylel, son of the early dawn? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations." Is.14:12.
---Eloy on 1/31/11|
I like the humble, non-arrogant way you presented your "possible" explanation.
I don't agree with it the post but this blog site needs a good dose of humility. Blessings!
In response, I see no evidence for stars and angels being equal in meaning through the Book of Job or The Revelation. According to Hebrews1 God never calls any angel a son but clearly servants. Stars are consistently symbols of the promised offspring of Abraham. Stars never represent angels in the Bible.
Screen blog posts closer to check what's put in parenthesis as an assumed "synonym"
For example "Synonyn"(a a group of numbers equal to 23)
The words in parenthesis aren't always biblically correct on these blogs!
---Legends on 1/30/11|
Satan was a Cherub, who was a guard at the Garden of Eden.
He was NOT a serpent as the KJV has erronously portrayed.
He was a very beautiful and extremely bright Heavenly Being. The Hebrew word for him was Nahash.
It was because of his outstanding brillance and beauty that Eve was deceived into thinking he spoke for G-d.
After this he was cast down to earth (Time sequence does not exist).
Good call on Lucifer JohnUSA!
---John on 1/30/11|
In Job we are told that Satan went with the sons of God (angels) before God (Job 2:1)
There is also an odd fact: we are told (revelation) that the dragon 'took a third of the stars'. If we accept that Gabrial and Michael (mentioned) were two high-level angels, if Luficer was another (three high-level angels) then the one third is logical
It is not proof, of course, but to me it seems at least possible
---Peter on 1/29/11|
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Could Satan be an angel?
It is not directly stated, but it seems [to me] to fit in well with the rest of the Bible.
Angels were given a certain job (the name means messenger - Greek) as well as responibilites. IF (and only IF) the Serpent was Satan, it would mean that he changed from bearing messenges FOR God to bearing messengest that were against God
Certain - I guess not
---Peter on 1/28/11|
The answer to your question should be obvious to anyone willing to take the time and take a better look at an erroneous tradition passed down by a lot of our best Bible teachers as well as our worst. But they would have to leave behind every non-biblical story they ever heard about this non-biblical former angel they say was formerly named Lucifer.
There's nothing in Isaiah14 written about satan. There's nothing in Isaiah14 written about any angel.
I'm really amazed at those who I respect so much for being sound on so many other subjects, but refuse to stop blurting out unfounded, presumptions that don't hold water.
Jesus had to fight against traditional religious beliefs. Let's study to answer!
---Legends on 1/28/11|
There's nothing in Isaiah 14 about Satan anyway.
---John.usa on 1/27/11|
Where in the Bible is Satan called Lucifer?
---John.usa on 1/27/11
Isiah 14:12 in the Latin Vulgate bible translation thought now to be a mistranslation.
---larry on 1/27/11|
Where in the Bible is Satan called Lucifer?
---John.usa on 1/27/11|
Originally according to scripture his name was Lucifer which means shining one.He was in charge of music in heaven and became proud thinking himself equal with God he was cast out of heaven with a third of the angels who were also bad and sided with Satan.His name was changed when he was cast out.
---shirley on 1/25/11|
Rev12 states, Satan AND his angels(grk aggelos=messengers)
That doesn't make Satan an angel. For example, when the Bible talks of Jesus(the son of man) or the Father AND all the holy angels, we correctly never assume that Jesus or the Father is an angel. Other scriptures have to come into play to serve as a scriptural witness to prove the angelic nature of Satan.
Despite the bad traditional interpretations on many of these blogs, I contend that there is no sound biblical evidence saying there's an angel formerly named... "lucifer"(fallen angel now called Satan).
BTW, Many bloggers seem unaware of their own nonsensical, erroneous insertions into... "parenthesis"(brown puppies with blue eyes)???
---Legends on 1/25/11|
Satan used to be Lucifer the angel of praise and worship in Heaven. He decided that he was higher than God, and got kicked out of Heaven. Now the only angel Satan is, is an angel of light (disguising himself as good, but really evil).
---Leslie on 9/23/08|
satan is called different names in the bible,personally I call him "DEFEATED".
---judy on 11/25/07|
JB: In the bible a serpent means "enemy". Because in Genesis when Satan came to Mary he disguised himself as an serpent. And in Revelation Satan is mentioned as a dragon which is metaphorically. Rev 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17. 13:2,4,11,13. 20:2, says that the dragon is the old serpent which is the Devil and Satan. Satan has many, many names.
---Rebecca_D on 11/19/07|
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O LUCIFER, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in THINE, I will ascend into heaven, I will EXALT MY THRONE above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: NOTICE HOW LUCIFER HE SAID IN HIS HEART EXALT HIS THRONE ABOVE WHAT IS GOD'S.
This his pride.
---doug7835 on 11/19/07|
The Old Testament refers to Satan when he was a holy angel of GOD. But, since Satan's rebellion of Pride and Covetousness, he was booted out of Heaven, where the Throne of GOD is. In his Rebellion, he persuaded 1/3 of the angels to join him (Revelation 12:4). Satan can take on illusiory forms, but he's symbolized as a Dragon, by the LORD, because of his evil character, and because he ruthlessly steals, kills and destroys without mercy.
---Gordon on 11/19/07|
Why is he called a sepernt and a dragon?
---jb on 11/17/07|
In Isaiah 14:12 it tells us that Lucifer was fallen from heaven. If read a little further down, it tells how Lucifer(Satan) tried to sit upon the throne and be like the most high. It goes on to say how God casted him out like an abominable branch. In Revelation 12 it tells us that Satan will again to try to take heaven over and he fights with Michael and again casted unto the earth. To better understand this read Isiah 14 then Revelation 12.
---Rebecca_D on 11/17/07|
Satan is a Fallen Angel? Revelation 12:7 is showing the intents of Satan, which is why he fell from heaven.
---Shawn.M.T on 11/16/07|
doesnt the word satan mean adversary and isnt that what lucifer is. really whats the point in arguing one isnt the other.
to the question at hand. God didnt just give free will to mankind he also gave it to angels. thats where your demons come from today, they are yesterdays fallen angles.
---Kraus on 11/16/07|
But he was an angel.The most beautiful angel and the most important job in heaven. [Wasn't good enough]I guess. Actually, Satan wanted the throne that God set on. [third heaven]. As the scripture goes>>There was a war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against Satan [ the dragon] and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil or satan, who leads the whole world astray.
---catherine on 11/16/07|
Yes, that's the story about Lucifer. How does that prove that he is Satan?
---Adam on 11/16/07|
Satan and Lucifer are the same. Lucifer name was in heaven.Isa 14:12 How art thou FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING! [how] art thou CUT DOWN to the GROUND, which didst WEAKEN THE NATIONS! Lucifer started it all in heaven. notice in the first part of this scripture. How art thou fallen from heaven O'Lucifer. He is called SON OF THE MORNING. HE WAS CUT TO THE GROUND. The last part of this scripture how weakened the nations.
---doug7835 on 11/16/07|
No one can prove that Lucifer and Satan are the same person. It is just another exegetical assumption.
---Adam on 11/15/07|
What does Revelation 12:7 have to do with Satan being Lucifer the Angel?
This scripture is about the war in heaven which will be the last actual struggle between Satan and God over the possession of the heavenlies where Satan the devil reigns. Ephesians 2:2, 6:12. Satan still has access to Gods heaven to accuse the brethren, but from the time of this casting out he will never again enter heaven. Zech 3:6, Job 1:6 Job 2:1.
---Whisper on 11/15/07|
I admit I haven't read the scripture, so I can't explain it, but Satan is a fallen angel. He was an angel in heaven at one time, but he rebelled against God, and was cast out of heaven forever.
---kady on 11/14/07|