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When Was Mary's Death

Where in the Bible does it talk about Mary Mother of Jesus death?

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 ---DeAnne on 11/15/07
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God is not the father of the dead, but the living. All those who have died in a state of grace, and Mary was always in a state of grace, are alive in Christ. Jesus conquered death by his death and resurrection.
---janet on 12/18/07


Emcee I wrote about Deut 18 because you said the apparition of Mary appears to people who believe. I just wondered how anyone could put so much faith into a dead woman,though I give her due respect its without adoration or deification,when the Bible plainly tells us talking to the dead is a sin practiced by Pagans in the Bible and God hates it. Believe what you will,but don't tell others they are "into a sea of delusion" when they don't believe its of God. Early Popes rejected it too.
---Darlene_1 on 11/23/07


Darlene:My answer to the original question.IT DOSEN'T: Why? because the bible is about Jesus His doctrine.Where did I say that I denied Gods word in relation to your showing Of Deutronomy18:10-12?you called on me for Justification.Mary died as a Human alive in christ most christians do not acknowledge this grace of God But to obtain 1st hand information the answer is :The truth is revealed by Faith,which exists IN God.
---Emcee on 11/21/07


Rebecca_D:

If Mary isn't in heaven, presumably no other Christians in the past 2000 years are either (for exactly the same reasons you stated).

If so, then where did they go?
---StrongAxe on 11/21/07


Emcee the whole chapter was God forbidding His people to partake of any of those practices in the country/land God had given them and how God would drive anyone out because those things,including necromancy, were an abomination and God doesn't suffer His people to do them. Why ask me if I'm fooled into believing magic,No way,I don't do any of those things,I know they're forbidden. Gen.3:16 doesn't say a word about talking to Mary and has nothing to do with this discussion. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/20/07




The original question was "Where in the Bible does it talk about Mary, Mother of Jesus' death?" Answer -- it DOESN'T! Jack, I got that through study of scripture. It is NOT a guess. It is fact. Perhaps you would have been able to find this answer on your own if you had studied scripture.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 11/20/07


Darlene1:Deut.18 cites about Child sacrifice,Divination the prohibition of Magic.You must agree people of those days were into this sort of Cult, for lack of knowledge.Are you the same as they to be fooled into believing Magic?Or are you suggesting that there is no relation between Gen3:15 and the word of God "She shall crush your head,your offspring & her off spring" of which Jesus is the HEAD. where do you stand in relation to this equation of God?I offer this with sincerity.
---Emcee on 11/20/07


Emcee,with respect but how do you justify rejecting God's Word? Deut.18:10,11 & 12 says there shall not be found among you any one that-it lists occult things people used (witches,divination,etc) and shouldn't,including being a necromancer Strongs 01875 seek diety in prayer,enquire of,to practice, For all who do these things are an abomination unto the Lord-. The Old Testament is for our learning of Gods will and way. Mary's dead,RCC saying she isn't doesn't make it true, and we aren't to talk to dead.
---Darlene_1 on 11/20/07


**Jack, go easy on Debbie, she's just stating her opinion.**

Opinions are only as good as the facts behind them.

She admits that the did not reach this conclusion through study.

The only alternative is guesswork.
---Jack on 11/20/07


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Why bother yourselves to what is not revealed in the Bible? Are you trying to make other gospel other than what was already revealed.
---jude on 11/20/07




According to the gospel of Rebecca_D, Mary is not in heaven.

A while ago I stated that the Bible is not easy to understand. I was bombarded with replies stating that it is.

Even just a simple belief whether people go straight to heaven or wait till the end of the world is still unclear. That is why it's dangerous for the average person to interpret the Bible the way s/he sees it and that's why the Catholic Church invites us to read experts' interpretations of the Bible.
---Caring on 11/20/07


DeAnne,

Nowhere in the scriptures does it talk about Mary's death.

Lionel, I like your response.

Debbie in Ohio, your continued rebuttals only fuel their fires.

Jack, go easy on Debbie, she's just stating her opinion.

Lord bless all of you,



---trey on 11/20/07


It is better to side with what is right,either by majority in fairness to TRUTH, then Falter on the edge of a precipice,into a sea of delusion.The truth, RIGHT is might, not the other way around. Mary was declared "This is your mother"If Dead she would not appear again but she does to those who BELIEVE.Her appparations over the past 100 years is proof.Please DO NOT BRING UP THE TOAST STORY" in rebuttal.The toast did not Talk but the apparation DID.The mother of Your & My God.
---Emcee on 11/19/07


Debbie, what's posted on these blogs is for all to reply to and nothing is just between two people.

If you're not stubborn then you're allowing yourself to be misled by sola scriptura people who tend to be fanaticists.

Jack quoted verses relating to Tradition and I encourage you and others to study them.
---Caring on 11/19/07


Caring: I'm about the least stubborn person you would ever meet. :)

This statement from Jack was not serious - it was sarcastic: "And I take it you reached this conclusion as a result of the great, deep, and intensive research into Christian antiquities that you have doubless done. Right? Or are you just guessing?"
If you want to believe he was being "serious" I'm okay with that, but this is between Jack and I. Blessings.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 11/19/07


Debbie, Jack is being serious and you're being difficult to speak like that to him.
read the verses he posted. They are in the Bible and they support Tradition.

Get rid of your stubborness.
---Caring on 11/19/07


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Jack:

You were being quite sarcastic. You were not complimenting. You made a grand gesture of saying I reached my "opinions" by great study and then said I was simply guessing. You can hide behind sarcasm and nastiness if you wish, but we see the hate behind your words when one disagrees with your false doctrine.

You have been in my prayers and will continue to be.

Blessings.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 11/19/07


To reply:

Nowhere in the bible is Mary's death mentioned.

When the bible is silent we should be also.

The bible states,it's appointed to every man once to die.
---lionel on 11/19/07


What's in the Bible comes first. What's missing in the Bible and found in Tradition is also acknowledged.

Paul somewhere said to observe the scriptures and traditions.
---Caring on 11/18/07


First of all, Mary is not in heaven. Because the bible plainly states that no one has ascended up into heaven, except the one who came down. And that was Christ Jesus. Second of all, the last thing recorded about Mary was when she was in the upper room waiting for the fulfilling of the Holy Ghost and power. So no one knows when she died or how she died. And really it doesn't matter, does it?
---Rebecca_D on 11/17/07


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**" 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men"**

Don't forget THESE verses, Mima:

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
---Jack on 11/17/07


Part 2:

2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the TRADITION which he received of us.

So you see, Mima, "tradition" is not always a dirty word in the Bible.

Or are these verses just not in yours?
---Jack on 11/17/07


Debbie in Ohio::The question of Mary the mother of God Jesus ,has been hatched Matched dispatched beyond recoginition.To defame the Name of Jesus Mom is Painful as she has left this earth.To sully Her Name is beyond The decency of any Right serving Man/woman.We as Catholics fly to her Protection as she is Gods mother.I will not get into specifics, but ask Please Investigate Do not Denigrate.God will reveal in due time when the prophecy of Gen3:15 is revealed "she shall crush Your Head"
---Emcee on 11/16/07


**You can believe that Mary's body was assumed into heaven if you like (without ANY scriptural proof) and I will believe she lived her life out like the rest of us mere mortals.**

I don't need scriptural basis because I don't claim to be bound by sola scriptura.

Rather, because YOU make this claim, YOU are the one who needs scriptural basis to support what you believe.
---Jack on 11/16/07


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Part 2.

In my case, the same tradition that said that the Virgin was assumed into heaven is the SAME TRADITION that gave us the Bible to start with. You can't reject one w/o rejecting the other.

It's interesting, Debbie, that you call me hateful, because I said that you reached your position as a result of long and intensive study of the matter.

Where is the hatefulness in my statement? Since when is it hateful to compliment someone on her scholarship and research?
---Jack on 11/16/07


Mima. Do you know the difference between traditions of men and Tradition of the Apostles, often called Apostolic Tradition? The Bible talks about Apostolic Tradition, so do you believe the Bible? Apostolic Traditons are those tradition passed down to us by the Apostles and preserve by the Church. The Early Church History proves this. Bt the way, I am not Catholic, just pointing out your error.
---Ramon on 11/16/07


Mima.#2 Not all Traditions are from men, the fact that the Bible talks about Traditions being passed down by the Apostles proves you wrong (Check 2 Thes 2:15, etc). Jesus of course condemns traditions of men, but not Church Traditions......
---Ramon on 11/16/07


2 Thes 2:15- Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours."

I guess Paul was nuts for writing this.....
---Ramon on 11/16/07


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Mima-Why do Catholics teach tradition? Mark 7:7-8 " 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men"


Passage 2 Thessalonians 2:15:

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
---Ruben on 11/16/07


Mima- Mark 7:7-8 " 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men


Passage Matthew 23:1-6:

Matthew 23
"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
---Ruben on 11/16/07


This statement,"The Bible coverws a lot but it also has a lot missing. At times I wonder why and that's why we Catholics also look at tradition to learn more about events of the past.
---Caring on 11/16/07"
Why do Catholics teach tradition? Mark 7:7-8 " 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men"
---Mima on 11/16/07


Jesus left John to take care of His mother while still on earth.
Which is why she had no other children or even Joseph.
She died, yet her remains were never found.
In those days, they kept track of remains of the body, and referred to it, the clothes etc.. as relics.
Her body was exhumed and not found leaving us with the assumption she was reunited body and soul with her Son.
It was the only explanation that made sense.
Now commonly known as the Assumption of the Blessed Mother.
---Lisa on 11/16/07


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Jack:

Am I guessing?It is a natural process for people to be born, live their lives & then die and be buried. Jesus was assumed into heaven perfect. Mary was never perfect to begin with nor was she sinless (scripture is clear on this), so yes it is my EDUCATED guess that she was never assumed into heaven.

Are you guessing that she was?Since there is NO scriptural evidence at all, then I suppose we are all guessing. Your nastiness was not necessary. Speak with love, not with venom.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 11/16/07


Jack and Caring: Your comments back to me seem quite nasty and hateful. You can believe that Mary's body was assumed into heaven if you like (without ANY scriptural proof) and I will believe she lived her life out like the rest of us mere mortals. As for Caring's comments about Jesus eating -- I won't even justify that with a comment. If you are a Christian, please speak in love, not with venom. Blessings.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 11/16/07


We can say two things about Mary's death with certainty. One, she died after her son Jesus. And she is now in heaven for the following reason. "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,"
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."
"For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."
We know that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".2 Corinthians 5:8
---Mima on 11/16/07


Helen::I think you already know the bible was written for the administration of Jesus Teachings & doctrines,In connection with the span of His Repeat,"HIS" life for33 years on Earth.The Parts relevant to Maryare also stated .Your personal belief about the Immaculate Conception will be revealed By God when HE considers Fit,since you are unable to decipher His declarations.
---Emcee on 11/16/07


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**I believe she died of old age and her body is buried somewhere **

And I take it you reached this conclusion as a result of the great, deep, and intensive research into Christian antiquities that you have doubless done. Right?

Or are you just guessing?
---Jack on 11/16/07


Debbie in Ohio said: "I would never assume anything unless it is stated scripturally."

Then I don't believe Jesus ate or slept because there are only a handful references to Him doing that.

The Bible coverws a lot but it also has a lot missing. At times I wonder why and that's why we Catholics also look at tradition to learn more about events of the past.
---Caring on 11/16/07


The Bible is silent about Mary's death. It is also silent about Joseph, her husband's, death.
---Helen_5378 on 11/16/07


We don't know when Mary died but she is in a grave somewhere her spirt went back to God from which it came
---Betty on 11/16/07


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The following verses cover everyone in the New Testament.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---john on 11/15/07


DeAnne, blessings! Your question is a valid one. There is nothing in the New Testament about Mary's death, or the deaths of any of the Apostles, for that matter. There is some quasi-historical evidence on the burial places of the Apostles, but none about Mary. The Eastern Orthodox say she died. The Western Catholic say she did not. Whatever people believe about Mary is a faith issue, not an issue of fact.
---John1944 on 11/15/07


Debbie ... Like you I would say that anything which was unusual about the major figures in Jesus's earthly life would be recorded in the Gospels.
What does it say about Mary? ... that although she was a virgin, she bore a child, and that was because God chose to be the mother of the earthly Christ-child
---alan_of_UK on 11/15/07


Debbie ...Had she herself been conceived immaculately, or committed no sin in her entire life, or not consummated her marriage to Joseph after Jesus's birth, or not died like ordinary people, it would surely have been noticed and recorded? Lack of any comment in the history of those days is surely evidence that she lived a normal life, and was a normal human, except that the sngrl spoke to her and while a virgin, she became Jesus' mother, and then she brought Him up, and was there at His crucifiction.
---alan_of_UK on 11/15/07


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Tonne::You are right, Mary's death constitutes a death in Christ which is Life everlasting.Not as death as man Knows it.It's sad when good thinking people do not visualise that.We are all his children not as man sees it, But as God sees it.We will always be inferior to Him even though we attain perfection,as God has asked of us.
---Emcee on 11/15/07


I would never assume anything unless it is stated scripturally. I believe, however, that if Mary was assumed into heaven, it would have been worth at least a footnote in the bible. I believe she died of old age and her body is buried somewhere and will be resurrected one day when Christ comes for us (i.e. body reunited with soul).
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 11/15/07


I do not believe that Mary dies as she has eternal life.
---Tonne on 11/15/07


"CURIOSITY KILLED THE CAT"The truth will be revealed by God in Due time,those who consider themselves Her Children Trust & believe in her Assumption."Unless you be like a child--children should be seen & NOT heard"I believe is a old saying.Sufficient to know, is the evil there of, Mary is in Heaven.So it was written and it has been Done according to His word.
---Emcee on 11/15/07


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For that matter, nowhere in the text does the Bible give a list of the books that are to make up the Bible.
---Jack on 11/15/07


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---Mima on 11/15/07


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