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Prove Earth Is 6,000 Years Old

Who here can explain to me why some Christians believe that the world is something like six thousand years old? When its been proven that its billions.

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mima: "I agree with the moderators answer.
Those that believe the earth is 6000 years old can point the God's Word.
Those who believe it's billions of years old can point to man's word.

Take your pick."

I also agree with the Mod. But there is the third possibility - the one truth that harmonizes the literal biblical interpretation with the true scientific interpretation.

Frances is right - Polonium haloes in granite PROVE instantaneous creation.

Carbon 14 in diamonds PROVE the earth is much less than a million years old.

I pick choice C - Bible truth + real scientific truth!

Much of what passes for science these days is nothing but atheist-political activism.
---jerry6593 on 5/30/09


Glenn, I see you have been studying the source of the Satanic problem (kabalistic magic). It is all about mind control. Try looking up hermeticism if you have not already done so. It is all to do with sacred geometry or something. They love numbers, especially lots of zeroes in rows, preceded by other numbers, especially when they are in black ink and on bank statements.
---frances008 on 5/6/09


Wayne as regards the length of the 6 days of creation, see my post on 'Explain the Trinity to Me.'

You wrote 'But for Adam no suitable helper was found./ Now why would the all knowing God bring animals to Adam to find a suitable helper?'

As God is all knowing, as I am sure you agree, the animals must heve been brought to Adam so he could see the gulf between them and Him, and so realize there was no mate for him among them. And look what he ended up with! Much better.

I don't 'regergitate' what the church says but stick to what Scripture says. Scripture is my authority, not any man, nor any organization.
---Warwick on 5/6/09


As I and others have said here, men can write, translate, mistranslate and even make up books. As of yet, I know of no man or group of men that could create the world we live on. My belief is that the record that is shown in the earth is more infalliable than the bible, because men could not have put it together. So if snow and ice layers on antartica and greenland extend back more than 6000 years or if stratified rock extends back more than 6000 years, who am I to doubt God that put that record in the ice and in the rocks? I know that no man could have put 2.5 miles of ice and snow ontop of mountains in antartica, or 6000 feet of sedimentary rock and petrified sand dunes ontop of dinosaur prints.
---Sophia on 5/7/09


Please study two things which relate to the age of the earth and geological strata. One, radio haloes prove that the earth is not very old. Simply put, radiation is emitted first in concentration and we have proof that it is still new. The world is at an early post huge nuclear explosion state. Second the strata that are so often used to state that due to the fossils and different rocks, we can judge the age of the ground beneath us rather like a trees' rings. But if you have some mixed bag of particles all different sizes and then add a Large Flood, all the particles will sink at different rates. This too has been proven scientifically (in a laboratory). Strata is created on one occasion not after various 'ages'.
---frances008 on 5/6/09




5{eant the first ten thousand (or is it 100 thousand) years, he made the light, and so on - he would have stated it. His Word is INFALLIBLE. Who are misled, but the blind and the proud and the disbelieving? We have to be like children when it comes to faith, but like serpents when it comes to wisdom. As Angela Aki might say 'Keep on believing!' despite the multiple attacks of the Satanists. Have you ever noticed that the atheists cannot decide on a simple number to state how old the world is but they have outrageously different examples depending on who you read. Several million years old, 40 billion. Add enough zeroes and the Christians will throw their hands up in surrender. It reminds me of the government 'loans' for the economy.
---frances008 on 5/6/09


Charles:
H1961 hayah means to exist, and can mean be, become, or was. If it is became as you say, then the comparison is to Genesis 1:1. Before creation, it didn't exist, and it then became "without form, and void". See Warwick on 5/6/09.
Wayne:
It is christianblogs.christianet, not Kabbalah.mysticism.esoteric.Gnostic.
rebellion, Numbers 16:30, 1Samuel 15:23, Psalms 106:24-25, 107:11-12, Isaiah 1:5, 30:1, 45:19, 63:10, 65:2, 5, Jeremiah 5:20-31, Daniel 9:1-19, Zechariah 7:11-13.
---Glenn on 5/6/09


Warwick....Oh you of little faith. Oh how you dont relly know much about the scriptures you profess to believe in. YHVH says His people perish from lack of knowledge, this is so you. You have no Idea what the actual Hebrew teaches. You still think Adam and Eve were condemned because of a piece of fruit dont you? In the Hebrew its not days, but cycles of time, there cant be 24 hours when there was no moon,no sun, stars. But this is what happens when you regergatate what the church tells you instead of spending time learning the original language of the scriptures.
---wayne on 5/6/09


19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them, and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found./ Now why would the all knowing God bring animals to Adam to find a suitable helper? Didnt YHVH Elohim know that animals wouldnt be suitable? After this Eve was created, for Adam. Can you answer this, if you can you will have your answer to other people being here before Adam, can you?
---wayne on 5/6/09


I agree with the moderators answer.
Those that believe the earth is 6000 years old can point the God's Word.
Those who believe it's billions of years old can point to man's word.

Take your pick.
---mima on 5/6/09




Wayne do tell us where Scripture says the earth is 15 billion years old!

And while you are at it please show from Scripture that there were people before Adam.

I can't wait.

But maybe this is a joke and I missed it?
---Warwick on 5/6/09


Charles 'was' in Genesis 1:2 is taught as meaning 'became',in some churches. However in context 'was' fits, as Genesis ch. 1 is given over to explaining what God created in each of the 6 days, between 'In the beginning', and 'And there was evening and there was morning-the sixth day.'

There is no hint of some catastrophe which made the earth become 'formless and empty.' The Hebrew for which does not convey chaos or destruction, simply the condition of Earth before God finished and filled it.

The 'became' view is also contradicted as such a catastrophe is not hinted at elsewhere in Scripture. Jesus and apostles alluded to, or quoted from the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times with no hint of such catastrophe.
---Warwick on 5/6/09


In his book Otsar haHayim (the Treasure of Life) which was discovered fairly recently, Rabbi Yitzhak builds his calculations on the verse: for a thousand years are in Thy eyes as a day He than takes the 42,000 years that were already agreed upon by the Mekubalim (6 cycles of 7000 years) and multiplies it by 1000 times 365 days (in each such Divine Year). The outcome is 15,330,000,000 years. This makes a bit over 15 billion years, which corresponds to the scientific calculations about the time of The Big Bang So here we have a scientific Fig leaf for those who would avoid the Torah for appearing obsolete, or irrelevant, in light of the laws of Modern Science.
---wayne on 5/6/09


Charles....You dear Sir are so correct!!! In fact the earth is 15 billion years old. The Jewish time scale is known as the Adamic time scale, meaning since the creation of Adam, but there were people here before. The 15 bil number is from scripture itself
---wayne on 5/5/09


Gen 1:2 And the earth WAS without form, etc. The Heb. word for was is HAYAH and it means "became" without form and void. God did not create the earth without form and lifeless it became that way. How? Satan was a fallen creature in the Garden of Eden yet in Is. 14:12-14 he is seen as fallen to the earth at sometime in the dateless past, when was that, we do not know. There was an inhabited earth before Adam and Eve in Gen. 2 and 3 but when satan was cast out into the earth the origional creation became without form and void. The words "without form" in Heb. is tohu meaning waste or desolation, so the origional creation became waste and desolate. Read Is. 45:18
---Charles on 5/4/09


A-men Moderator.
---Eloy on 5/4/09


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Genesis 1:1-2:3. I would have to take Gods' word on this *1.
Archbishop James Ussher put creation at 4004 BC. The Jewish calendar says 3760 B.C. was the year. I don't know what you would do with the theory that says the earth once had a concentric orbit of 360 days.
*1 Numbers 23:19, 1Samuel 15:29, Ecclesiastes 3:14, Malachi 3:6.
---Glenn on 5/4/09


Frank .... YES!
---alan_of_UK on 1/31/08


Gina7, Rhonda: Please read Exo 20:11 in conjunction with the creation account of Genesis:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is
---jerry6593 on 1/31/08


The word says to the Lord a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Israel labored seven years for a wife and it seemed but a few days. Maybe the Lord's 6,000 years are your scientists billions.
I personally believe Jesus died for my sins and sent back his Spirit so that with the baptism of the Holy Ghost I might follow him by faith regardless of which it is.
Frank
---Frank on 1/31/08


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Warwick, you didnt even read what I wrote, read it again. God molded or formed this earth in 6 days and rested the 7th. But it does not mean the universe nor the earth was made at that time, it may have been made at some earlier undeterminate date "without form and void". I said consider this possibility, that God formed/molded this world (which would be 6000 years ago) but created it at the earlier date like an unformed clay pot and came back to form it, in 6 days.
---Gina7 on 1/30/08


Jerry - *This has been done i.e. a computer model has been developed as a means of predicting when man first came upon earth.

If you have it, please send me a reference as this may be something that I could use. Thank you.
---Lee1538 on 1/29/08


Please explain how you can prove scientifically that the universe is some billions of years old? ---Warwick on 1/28/08

That also is impossible, as you framed the Q. When you use the adverb "scientifically" you make two incorrect assumptions:
1) it is observable.
2) it is repeatable.

The best thing to say is "This is a guess, based on....." As long as it does not contradict or minimize Scripture, I am OK.

Personally, I lean towards young Earth.
---Observer on 1/29/08


God RENEWED the earth in Gen. 1:2-25, God DID NOT create the earth in Genesis. Genesis is a summary. Reread Chapter 1 and and prayfully ask God for understanding of this chapter and you will SEE when he opens your eyes the earth is NOT 6k years old!!
---Rhonda on 1/29/08


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1) Gina Jesus the Creator says man was made at the beginning of creation, the genealogies showing this to be about 4,000 years before Jesus time on earth. All the old-earth theories have man appearing almost at the end of creation, the opposite of what Jesus said.
---Warwick on 1/29/08


2) Gina, Genesis begins 'in the beginning' then without a break vs. 5 says 'And there was evening and there was morning the first day.' Therefore it does say how long the events within took- one day as we today live them. Remember the 10 commandments reflects the 6 day creation warning not to work on the 7th or face death. Isnt it obvious God was convinced that a day is a day and a week is made up of 7?
---Warwick on 1/29/08


Observer then please explain how you can prove scientifically that the universe is some billions of years old?
---Warwick on 1/29/08


Lee: "Perhaps a good computer model could be developed with input of known human populations of certain times on earth and work backwards, based upon expected rate of birth & deaths per time periods."

This has been done. When the models properly account for typical family sizes and occassional wars, plagues and famines, the answers tend to cluster around 8 people about 4500 years ago. Never does one get 2 people millions of years ago!
---jerry6593 on 1/29/08


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1a- Beginning 6000 years up to Adam (1000 to 1 ratio, Gn.1:1,26,31, Ps.90:4, II Pt.3:8) Adam at 130 years had Seth (Gn.5:3) Seth at 105 " Enosh (Gn.5:6) Enosh at 90 " Kenan (Gn.5:9) Kenan 70 " Mahalaliel (Gn.5:12) Mahalaliel 65 " Iered (Gn.5:15) Iered 162 " Henoch (lived a godly life, raptured at 365 years old, Gn.5:18,24)
---Eloy on 1/28/08


1b- Henoch 65 " Methuselah (Gn.5:21) Methuselah 187 " Lamech (Gn.5:25) Lamech 182 " Noah (Gn.5:28,29) Noah 500 " Sem, Ham, Japheth (Gn.5:32) Flood 100 (Gn.7:6)= 7656 yrs.
---Eloy on 1/28/08


2- Flood for 1 year + 10 days (Gn.7:11, 8:13,14) Sem after 2 years had Arpachshad at 100 years old, after the flood (Gn.11:10) Arpachshad at 35 " Shelah (Gn.11:12) Shelah at 30 " Eber (Gn.11:14) Eber 34 " Peleg (Gn.11:16) Peleg 30 " Reu (Gn.11:18) Reu 32 " Serug (Gn.11:20) Serug 30 " Nahor (Gn.11:22) Nahor 29 " Terah (Gn.11:24) Terah 70 " Abram, Nahor, Haran (Gn.11:26) Abraham 100 " Izhak (Gn.21:5)= 393 yrs + 10 days
---Eloy on 1/28/08


3- Izhak at 60 years had Iaakob (Gn.25:26) Iaakob at 91 " Ioseph [Ioseph at 30 + 7 plenty years + 2 famine (Gn.41:46-57, 45:6)= 39, Iaakob at 130 goes into Egypt (Gn.46:1-7, 47:6-9) 39= 91] Ioseph at 39 years when Iaakob (Israel) goes into Egypt [Ioseph at 30 + 7 plenty years + 2 famine years= 190 yrs (Gn.41:46-57, 45:6)= 39, Iaakob at 130 goes into Egypt (Gn.46:1-7, 47:6-11) 39= 91]
---Eloy on 1/28/08


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4- 430 years= Israels lodging in Egypt, then Exodus (Ex.12:40,41, Gal.3:17), 480 years= From Israels Exodus to the 1st building of the Temple, in Salomons 4th year of his reign (I Kg.6:1)
---Eloy on 1/28/08


5a- Salomon reigned yet 36 years more (I Kg.6:1, 11:42,43) Roboam reigned 17 years (I Kg.14:21,31) Abia " 3 " (I Kg.15:2,8) Asa 41 " (I Kg.15:10,24) Iosaphat 25 (I Kg.22:42,50) Ioram 8 (II Kg.8:17,24) Ochasias 1 (II Kg.8:26, 9:28) Athalia the Queen 7 (II Kg.11:1-4,20,21) Ioas 40 (II Kg.12:1,20,21) Amasias 29 (II Kg.14:2,20,21) Ozias 52 (II Kg.15:2,7) Ioatham 16 (II Kg.15:33,38)
---Eloy on 1/28/08


5b- Achas 16 (II Kg.16:2,20) Ezechias 29 (II Kg.18:2, 20:21) Manasses 55 (II Kg.21:1,18) Amon 2 (II Kg.21:19,26) Iosias 31 (II Kg.22:1, 23:30) Ioachas 3 months (II Kg.23:31,34) Eliacim 11 (II Kg.23:36, 24:6) Joachim (Iechonias) 3 months (II Kg.24:8,15,16)= 419 yrs, 6 months= From 1st building of the Temple to the captivity of Babylon.
---Eloy on 1/28/08


6- 70 years= Captivity in Babylon (II Chron.36:21,Jer.25:11, 29:10) Cyrus' 1st year= Israel restored to freedom, and 2nd year of Cyrus began to rebuild Temple (II Chron.36:22- Ez.1:1-4) 46 " = Temple rebuilt the 6th year of Dairius (Ez.6:14,15, Jn.2:20) 26 = Dairius 20 yr 6 yr= 14, add 12 yrs Nehemiah (Neh.5:14)= 143 years= From captivity of Babylon to Ierusalem rebuilt.
---Eloy on 1/28/08


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7- 483 years= From Decree to rebuild Ierusalem to coming Messiah (69 weeks= 69 x 7 years, Dn. 9:25)
---Eloy on 1/28/08


8- In summation: 7656 yrs + 393 yrs + 10 days + 190 yrs + 430 yrs + 480 yrs + 419 yrs + 6 months + 143 yrs + 483 yrs= there are 10,194 years, 6 months, and 10 days from the beginning of creation to Christs birth on the night of December 25, 5 B.C., and there are 4,194 years, 6 months, and 10 days from Adam to Christs birth on the night of December 25, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 1/28/08


When any person claims as proven truth that which contradicts the proven truth of the Holy Scripture, that person's claim is 100% falsehood.
---Eloy on 1/28/08


2) Gina, Genesis begins 'in the beginning' then without a break vs. 5 says 'And there was evening and there was morning the first day.' Therefore it does say how long the events within took- one day as we today live them. Remember the 10 commandments reflects the 6 day creation warning not to work on the 7th or face death. Isnt it obvious God was convinced that a day is a day and a week is made up of 7?
---Warwick on 1/28/08


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Observer then please explain how you can prove scientifically that the universe is some billions of years old?
---Warwick on 1/28/08


1) Gina Jesus the Creator says man was made at the beginning of creation, the genealogies showing this to be about 4,000 years before Jesus time on earth. All the old-earth theories have man appearing almost at the end of creation, the opposite of what Jesus said.
---Warwick on 1/28/08


Perhaps a good computer model could be developed with input of known human populations of certain times on earth and work backwards, based upon expected rate of birth & deaths per time periods.
---Lee on 1/28/08


Warwick

It is logically impossible to prove a negative

My beef was with Setterfield's data. It was not validated via chi square analysis.

Since he works in the sciences, Jerry should know this, and its importance, thus he failed to produce accurate data.
---Observer on 1/28/08


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Concerning the speed of light...

God made the heavens and the earth. He made the stars and the moon and the sun for seasons and time. Don't you think that he placed stars hundreds of millions of light years away from esrth that he had to wait that long before creating the first man? or did God created the light reaching earth instantly at His command?
---Steveng on 1/27/08


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Observer please explain how you can 'prove' the earth isn't 6,000 years old, using the scientific method?---Warwick on 1/25/08

First, I was addressing Setterfield's research, showing it not proved properly. Peer review demonstrates it as unreliable

Second, No one can prove a negative such as you suggest, it is a logical impossibility.

Therefore Jerry has not provided proof of his thesis.
---Observer on 1/27/08


Those of us who believe in the creation as stated in Genesis believe mankind to be about 6000-8000 years old. However there is a void in time such that we can not say with certainty that earth itself is obly 6000-8000 years old.
---jim on 1/26/08


Consider this possibility: God created the entire Universe billions of years ago, but only 6,000 years ago came to our solar system and finished it up "The earth was without form and void". Without form, it was there, but without form. A piece of clay needing to be molded, and molded it was. In 6 days God molded our planet, light/darkness,water/land, plants, trees, animals,and as the crowning glory, man, made in His own image. God is the "Ancient of Days"
---Gina7 on 1/26/08


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"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" Gen 1:1 Does not state how long that took, or when,only that God did it.

"And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep" Gen 1:2 After creation, our "earth" was without form and void.

Verses 4 to 31 detail the 6 day molding of our earth (not the universe). Does it state God created Galaxies on 3rd day, Supernovas on 4th day, etc. No, it refers only to EARTH
---Gina7 on 1/26/08


Genesis 1:1,2 NIRV

1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth didn't have any shape. And it was empty. Darkness was over the surface of the ocean. At that time, the ocean covered the earth. The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
---Gina7 on 1/26/08


Genesis 1:1,2 HCSB

" 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
---Gina7 on 1/26/08


Genesis 1:1,2 ASV

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was waste and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
---Gina7 on 1/26/08


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Genesis 1:1,2 NLT

" 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."
---Gina7 on 1/26/08


Observer please explain how you can 'prove' the earth isn't 6,000 years old, using the scientific method?
---Warwick on 1/25/08


Jerry, you seem to accept Setterfield's statistical analysis as empirical. It is conjecture.

Since there are no data available about the speed of light on the dates you cited, and since there were no instruments able to record the speed of light then, you make a hypothesis out to be a truth.

Besides, he has not used the chi square to test his hypothesis accuracy. I checked.

Please label things properly, or else you look foolish
---Observer on 1/25/08


In our fastest spaceship it would take around 44,000 years to reach the nearest star. This star is only 4.2 light years away. the universe is extermly large and far away. Science does not have all the answers, but that is what science does, seek answers and seeks truth. Truth is always a journey, not a starting point. The black hole in the center of our own galaxy still defies explanation. Scientist don't know exactly what happens in there, but just assuming God made it, will not help us find out.
---Mickey on 1/25/08


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Here is the interesting thing about science. It doesn't start with presumed unalterable facts and then seek evidence to support those preconceptions. It starts with verifiable evidence and then seeks solutions which fit that evidence. Sometimes that can be wrong. Early map makers would put: "here be dragons" on land that was un-explored. There are many unexplained things in the universe, but simply putting, "here be God" on the things we don't know will not help us figure them out.
---Mickey on 1/25/08


Sam: "Can anyone tell me what the speed of light is in a complete vaccuum devoid of both wave and particle?"

That's a nonsense question. Light is a wave that sometimes acts like a particle. How can it be devoid of itself?
---jerry6593 on 1/12/08


Can anyone tell me what the speed of light is in a complete vaccuum devoid of both wave and particle? No. It cant be done. The True Speed of Light in nothing could be infinitely faster than currently measured against the flow of nuetrinos it must pass through.
---SamtheMan on 1/8/08


Mr. Axe: Even allowing for measurement accuracy differences (shown in the data below), the speed of light has slowed dramatically with time. Even NASA has to occassionally adjust it in order to find their deep space probes.
---jerry6593 on 1/8/08


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Warwick: If the Big Bang science fiction is real, then not only are dark matter and dark energy missing in the universe, but antimatter in an amount equal to all the matter in the universe is missing as well. Strange how BB proponents can overlook so much stuff! How much they must hate God that they would completely sacrifice intellectual honesty in order to render Him irrelevant.
---jerry6593 on 1/8/08


Alan: I cuncur that we should keep an open mind and reason from an objective, factual standpoint. I was once on the other side, but had to admit that "because my professors say so" is not a very solid argument. There are literally hundreds of sound scientific proofs that the earth is quite young. (Get the "Evolution Handbook" available from evolution dash facts dot org.) I hope that you will dispassionately consider the scientific validity of these facts vs the common mantra.
---jerry6593 on 1/5/08


jerry6593:

Given that extremely accurate measuring equipment machinery has only existed for the past few decades, isn't it more likely that the speed of light is a constant, but we're just getting better and better measuring it?
---StrongAxe on 1/5/08


1)Mickey I just now spoke briefly with John Hartnett (at Hong Kong Airport ) who says you're in error, apparently not understanding the refining process involved in the working hypothesis. Humphreys agrees there are flaws in his model & Hartnett has worked at refining his work-see his book 'Starlight, Time and the new Physics.' Hartnett's model is providing better results than the Big-Bang model, without need to resort to the unobserved 'fudge factors' (such as 'dark matter' & 'dark energy.')
---Warwick on 1/4/08


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2) At the Australian university where he is an associate professor of physics Dr Hartnett has been engaged in research on these Big-Bang fudge factors. As part of the Big-Bang hypothesis it was necessary to invent unobserved dark-matter & dark energy as the model would not work without them. You need to understand that these (including the Big-Bang hypothesis) are models not verifyable by the scientific method. These things are argued over because they are hypothetical.
---Warwick on 1/4/08


The Speed of light has never been measured in a perfect vaccuum devoid of sub-atomic particles.
---SamtheMan on 1/4/08


Warwick, the theories presented in Starlight and Time have been discreteted. Even the author has backed off this premise.
Bottom line, if we can see super-novas which are millions of light years away, then either it tooks millions of light years for this to reach us, or God is a deciever. Which is it?
---Mickey on 1/4/08


Jerry ... I am baffled, as I suspect you are.
My point has always been that there may be many things about the Creation that God has not erevealed to us., and that none of us know the complete story.
The OT is a history of the Jewish race, and its perception of the world and of God. It does not claim to be a scientific textbook.
You may be right about the 6000 years, but you need to admit to the possibility you are not.
Most of us do, but you seem fixed.
---alan_of_UK on 1/4/08


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Jack Fossett: I have no idea what you're talking about.
---jerry6593 on 1/4/08


Alan: What if your assumption that the speed of light is a constant were untrue? Wouldn't that possibly invaidate your ancient universe argument?

Consider Setterfield's statistical analysis of the historic measurements of the speed of light:

In 1738: 303,320 +/- 310 km/second
In 1861: 300,050 +/- 60 km/second
In 1877: 299,921 +/- 13 km/second
In 2004: 299,792 km/second (accepted constant)

These data seem to confirm a young universe.
---jerry6593 on 1/4/08


Alan I don't completely understand Einsteins relativity but what comes from this is that time isn't the same throughout the universe. Sea level atomic clocks at 'run' at a slightly different rate than those in space.

What physicists propose is that while I've written this on earth much larger time periods have passed away from the effects of gravity. Therefore light has had more time to travel.


The website does answer these questions as do Dr's Humphrey's & Hartnett's books.
---Warwick on 1/3/08


MikeM-physicist Dr Hartnett's book 'Starlight, Time and the new physics' gives a scientific explanation of how light could have travelled from the far reaches of the universe in the 6,000 + years since creation. It's of course an explanation based upon the available evidence, as is the Big-Bang view which answers less questions.

To say his book (or books as you say) is only about theology is pure deceit, nothing special for a wolf in the fold.

It tells us you haven't even read the book!
---Warwick on 1/3/08


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On 12/20 I referenced Dr Hartnets books which are about theology, nothing more.
---MikeM on 1/3/08


Warwick, the two are intricably linked. If the stars are billions of miles away (even millions of light years away) it means that the light has been travellin from them for millions of years before we now see it.
Indicating God made the stars millions of years ago.
I've looked at that web-site, and it leaves this issue unexplained.
---alan_of_UK on 1/3/08


Alan, we're discussing the age of the universe (time), not the distances involved. The issues however are too many & complicated to cover here so I suggest you go to the site creationontheweb dot com then click on 'info at the top then click on 'frequently asked questions', then click on 'astronomy & astrophysics' and down the page you'll see a topic on distant starlight. The information there will answer your questions much better than I could ever hope to, and in layman's terms.
---Warwick on 1/3/08


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