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Fear Of Soul Sleep Doctrine

I used to believe in soul sleep. When four students died in car crashes at my highschool, we were given a paper for handling grief. There was a statement against using sleep when speaking of death(causing fear w/sleep). Any comments?

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catherine: Det31:16"Thou shalt SLEEP with thy father"
1KN2:10"So David SLEPT with his fathers"
1KN14:20"He SLEPT with his fathers"
1KN14:31"Rhoboam SLEPT with his fathers"
2KN8:24 "Joram SLEPT with his fathers"
2KN10:35 "Jehu SLEPT with his fathers"
Job3:13 "I should have SLEPT"
Job7:21 "Now shall I SLEEP"
Dan12:2 "Them that SLEEP in the dust"
Jer51:39 "And SLEEP perpetual SLEEP"
---SamtheMan on 12/13/07

I think our Adventist friends are simply not at all familiar that when the Bible speaks of those who have fallen asleep, that it uses what is known as an euphemism - a less offensive synonym: a word or phrase used in place of a term that might be considered too direct, harsh, unpleasant, or offensive.

You really need to think if you want to get there!

---lee on 12/13/07

Not any of those scripture teaches soul sleep. God is not a liar. The soul does not sleep. Rev. 16-3 Every soul died in the sea. Water, a source for the sustenance of life. Is here made an agent of death. All marine life died immediately. Ps. 104: 29,30. Rev 16-3, Ps 104: 29,30. Does not teach soul sleep. There is NO SCRIPTURE. Does God make His point?
---catherine on 12/13/07

Just something interesting re Lazurius. Jewish belief was that the 'soul' hung around the dead body for three days before heading off to wherever de-bodied souls go. By waiting until the fourth day, Christ seems to indicate that His power is over every part of the human. Also good set up for those who would argue that His soul had not left yet.
---dan on 12/13/07

samtheman - I looked up each verse you listed in support of soul sleep and none of them really address anything more that the fact the flesh returns to dust upon death.

About the only exception is Ezek. 18:4 which speaks of the soul that sins shall die, however, the Bible frequently calls all persons souls (see Le.7:20,21, Jos.20:3, Ezek. 18:29, & Jer. 31:30)

Sorry, but you need to believe in soul sleep otherwise your most cherished doctrine (Investigative judgment) goes down the drain.
---lee on 12/12/07

Soul Sleep is what Jesus called it!!! Truth from the Bible: PS104:29,30 1Tim1:17, EZ18:4, Rev16:3 "every Soul died in the sea" Ecc12:7, Job27:3, Eccl3:19-20, Acts2:29,34 Eccl9:5,6 PS115:17, Job14:12-14, 1Cor15:51-54, Job17:13 etc
Eze18:4 "ALL SOULS are Mine..the soul that sinneth, it shall die"

Are you a sinner? Then YOU, Kella, L_linda are a SOUL and will die.

Heb9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
---SamtheMan on 12/12/07

Those of us here who do not believe in soul sleep are not participating in necromancy. It may sound good among adventists as it from the mind of EGW. It does nothing to convince me that our soul sleeps when we die. I do not speak to the dead. The bible is clear about this being wrong. I am a Christian and would not think of trying to speak to the dead. And btw I do not believe people speak to the dead, but rather they are speaking to demons manifesting themselves as "ghosts".
---Kella3336 on 12/11/07

In 1844, At that time, as foretold by Daniel the prophet, our High Priest entered the most holy, to perform the last division of His solemn work & endash,to cleanse the sanctuary".

"I was shown what did take place in heaven at the close of the prophetic periods in 1844. As Jesus ended His ministration in the holy place and closed the door..... lies.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

Soul sleep denies the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of your spirit at the time of your death.

Mrs. White taught that not until October 22, 1844 did Jesus go to the right hand of God, the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary. She insists that Jesus did not sit at the right hand of the Father until 1844.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

EGWhite "...that take place 1844. Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man & endash,to perform the work of investigative judgment and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits" The Great Controversy, p. 480
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

SDA believers believe you are talking with your dead loved ones if your spirit goes to heaven.
They are dead dead according to their religion.
SDA religion denies that your spirit lives, as Jesus is alive.

If you are SDA - do you suffer from depression. It goes hand in hand with this false soul sleep gospel. As with all cults, you will find the members to all have that familiarity, be of that familiar spirit.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

I see so much false SDA doctrine hidden throughout the blogs under various names - all claiming same things in different ways.

Mrs. White teaches that Jesus did not go to the right hand of God until A.D. 1844.

"Thither the faith of Christ's disciples followed Him as He ascended from their sight....
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

Scripture disproves Soul Sleep in Matthew 17:1-8. Jesus appears on the Mount of Transfiguration speaking to Elijah and Moses. Moses died. (Deuteronomy 34:5). Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared to them conversing with him (Matthew 17:3).

SDA church resorts to an illogical, unbiblical attempt to keep their doctrine. They state that Moses must have been resurrected. This is no where found in the Bible.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

The Bible doesn't support Soul Sleep. Whenever the Bible speaks of sleep in death it is speaking of the body never the soul.

The body is in need of resurrection. Never does the Bible indicate that the soul will be resurrected. The body will be awakened from "sleep" when the conscious soul is reunited with it at the resurrection.

Many soul sleep believers suffer from depression.
Check yourself soul sleep believer, are you depressed?
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

Ummm, I'm sooo sorry that some have spent years of their lives studying the soul sleep doctrine when they could have wrapped it up in about 10 or 15 minutes.
SDA's claim it is necromancy for a believer's spirit to go to heaven at moment of death.
They do not understand Paradise and Heaven.
But there are other occultic/cultic groups that follow the same line of reasoning.

This false gospel denies the resurrection of Jesus Christ, whether they can admit it to themselves or not.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried. And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off,and Lazarus in his bosom.

As one can see, Abraham's bosom and hell are NOT the same thing.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

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Lo_linda,Tre,Kel: Do you look up and speak to your dead loved ones? Have any of you had a departed loved one speak to you and give you guidance?
---TS on 12/10/07

Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried. And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off,and Lazarus in his bosom.

As one can see, Abraham's bosom and hell are NOT the same thing.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

If Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise on Friday (Luk 23:43), then why did He tell Mary that He had not yet gone to Heaven on Sunday (John 20:17)?

Paradise and Heaven are two different places.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

Jesus said He would prepare a place for us in the Fathers house, Jn 14:1-3.
Paradise was where the OT Saints went. NT Saints go to Heaven.
A study of Hell, Heaven and Paradise will take some time but reveal this.

Read Luke 16 and Isa 5:14 this foretells of the enlargement of Hell and about Paradise.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07

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Loveable Linda, Good Point. I was recently accused of Necromancy for stating that people go directly to Heaven or Hell when they die. How does that really relate to Necromancy? I am not trying to conjure up anyone who has passed on to the Next Life. Though the LORD can BRING BACK some one when He wants! Those who disbelieve that souls go immediately to Heaven or Hell at death, do not know the Holy Scriptures well enough, e'en though they THINK that they do. YAH Bless!!!
---Gordon on 12/10/07

Dear Sister Kella,

Mt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Mt 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Lord bless you,
---trey on 12/8/07

TS, #4

We are not told in the scriptures what Lazarus had to say about heaven. Just because the scriptures are silent does not mean that Lazarus was.
---trey on 12/7/07

TS, #5

TS, I believe that one day, I will die physically, but my spirit (Eccl 12:7) and my soul (Rev. 6:9) shall depart (Gen. 35:18) to be with the Lord and Christ (Phil 1:21-24). My body will sleep in the grave, but my spirit and soul will be conscious. I will be gathered to my people just as Abraham (Gen. 25:8), Isaac (Gen 35:29), and Jacob (Gen 49:33).
---trey on 12/7/07

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I do not engage in Necromancy, since it is not biblical. Thanks for your concern.

TS, you mentioned Job, and Solomon. Solomon makes the statement over and over, under the sun, meaning from the view point of man. Job is asking that the Lord would hide him from His wrath.
---trey on 12/7/07

TS, #2

Christ mentions Lazarus sleeping (John 11:11). Misunderstanding, the disciples stated that sleep would help Lazarus. Christ then stated that he meant Lazarus was dead. Lazarus body was dead. His spirit and soul had departed, just as Rachels soul departed (Gen. 35:18).

TS, our spirit and soul do not die. We were spiritually dead, but have been made alive, and therefore do not die a second time (Eph.2:1, Rev. 2:11). Our life is preserved in Christ (Jude 1:1, 1Thes. 5:23).
---trey on 12/7/07

TS, #3

Our bodies do die, just as Lazarus body died (John 11:11), but notice what Christ tells Martha, v.25 I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though here were dead (physically), yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. (Do you understand that it is our physical bodies that die/sleep, not our soul and spirit.
---trey on 12/7/07

The necromancy argument is the pat answer that all soul sleep believers use when this false doctrine of soul sleep is challenged.
That's common knowledge, especially if you've taken a comparative religions course, or if you are an SDA, or a member of other cultish/occultish churches.
---lovable_linda on 12/7/07

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Kella, trey: Do you engage in Necromancy speaking with "so called" departed loved ones? Saul "percieved" it was the dead Samuel, while engaged in Necromancy with "the spirits of devils going forth to the kings of the earth" Will they also "gather [you] to the battle of the great day of God Almighty"? Seems likely.
---TS on 12/7/07

Kella,Trey: #1 Why then does Job ask to be Hid in the Grave until God's Wrath is passed? Why does Jesus say "Lazarus Sleeps" Why is Lazarus silent about the Bliss of Heaven? Why does Solomon say they "know nothing" Why do you belive the Devil when he says "Thou shalt not surley die?"
---TS on 12/7/07

Believers in Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, can clearly see that soul sleep is a false gospel. Did you take the quiz, yet - up above - false gospels of which soul sleep falls under.

If your moral compass is leading you down this road, you are on the wrong road. You are denying the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
You are blinded, spiritually blinded if you follow this false gospel.
---lovable_linda on 12/7/07

Jam 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that He is exalted:

Jam 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

Jam 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him.
---lovable_linda on 12/7/07

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lo_linda: You never answered why David is not in Heaven. You never answered why Jesus said "Lazarus Sleeps"

Are you unwittingly preaching the first lie "Thou shalt not surely die"? Genesis 3:4

I have no fear walking through a graveyard at night and yet you do because you know they are dead, just not "surely dead"
---SeventhSeal on 12/7/07

Trey, Amen. Thank you for your concern. I am not to be persuaded by the doctrine of soul sleep. Adventists seriously need to read carefully Acts 2:34. What is really going on here? David had faith that there would be a messiah though he had not ascended at that time. Verse 34(2nd half)and 35 are from psalms, so in acts it is looking back to the prophecy concerning Jesus' resurrection. Peter was pointing this out, that those who heard would believe and be saved(following verses). Blessings Trey
---Kella3336 on 12/7/07

Trey brother, In acts 2:31 it points out that David forsaw the resurrection and in vs 34 it makes the point that David was alive and had faith in the resurrection. Oh boy. While an Adventist this was one of the texts I believed supported soul sleep. For adventists to change this belief, they would have to change their belief in EGW among other things. This is sad. Thank you so much for your participation on this blog:-) God bless, friend!
---Kella3336 on 12/7/07

"Why does the scripture state that our soul departs the body when we die? Gen. 35:18" Answer.

Rachel died as she was naming her son. What departed was her power to live, her physical and intellectual vigor and energy was withdrawn as she expired. Basically the verse is informing the reader, that she named her son with her last breath.
---joseph on 12/7/07

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Seventh, part 4

Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ, which is far better:
Php 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
Hold the phone! I thought the soul stayed with the body in death? No, Paul is speaking of departing from his body to be with Christ in eternal glory upon death.

Hope that helps some of you.

In Christian Love,
---trey on 12/6/07


Lazarus is not a dead soul, neither is Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or any of God's children that have physically died.

Mr 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Mt 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

For those of you who have ears to hear let them hear.
---trey on 12/6/07

I pray this is not a waste of time. By the way Ill be out of town for about a week and wont get to hear your rebuttal.
Acts 2:29 Peter is speaking of the patriarch David being physically dead and buried. He then states that David's grave is still with us.

Acts 2:30 Peter is stating that the Lord promised David that Christ would sit on his throne in heaven.
---trey on 12/6/07

Seventh, part 2

Acts 2:24 Peter is saying that David's physically body is still in the grave. ( His soul and spirit however are with the Lord in glory.) It is David's body that Peter is stating has not risen from the grave. Peter is preaching a risen Savior.

Let me ask you a question: If our souls are asleep in the grave, how can God bring them with him when he comes from heaven on the resurrection morning?- I Thes. 4:13-18.
---trey on 12/6/07

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Seventh, part 3

John 11:14 Christ states the physically Lazarus is dead. I still contend that his spirit and soul are alive and well with God the Father in Heaven.

2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
It is not our body at this present time that is present with the Lord, and it's not just our breath, it's our spirit and soul, because we've passed from death unto life -1John 3:14.
---trey on 12/6/07

Acts 2:34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,...

Barnes notes 'This does not affirm that David was not saved, or that his spirit had not ascended to heaven, but that he had not been exalted in the heavens in the sense in which Peter was speaking of the Messiah.'
---Lee on 12/6/07

Quite often I've found that there are those that temporarily adopt a controversial subject to argue.
They really don't believe in it, because in the next breath they take the opposite stance and even argue withselves.
I suppose it is fun for the person honing up on their skills but it is disingenuous for the rest of us.
I would rather you ask the question and let bloggers answer honestly. It's a a more sure testimony of truth.
---lovable_linda on 12/6/07

So I ask you, do you honestly believe in soul sleep to the genuine core of yourself that holds your moral compass?
At the end of the day, there is an inner core that guides you - is there not?
---lovable_linda on 12/6/07

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Trey: Where is David? According to Scripture he is not in Heaven even though David was told that he would sit next to the Father in Heaven. (Acts 2:29, 34). You cant have it both ways. The Dead Sleep and wait to go to Heaven at the Second Advent of Christ.
---SeventhSeal on 12/6/07

Trey: Lazarus is a Soul. With out the Breath {RUACH), translated in some Bibles as spirit yet meaning "Wind/Breath" [according to Strong], he becomes a Dead Soul. With breath Lazarus becomes a Living Soul. Only two types of Souls exist...Dead and Alive.

Vapor, Wind, Breath have no conscious, they do not think nor are they alive.

Too many Scriptures reveal the Dead Sleep. The Devil said "Thou shalt not surely die" and you seem to believe him.
---TS on 12/6/07

Speaking of Christ and Lazarus:

True, Christ stated that Lazarus sleepeth, (speaking of his body)-John 11:11.

We then read of Christ telling Martha that "whosover liveth and believeth in me shall never die." (That is their soul and spirit does not die.)

v.41 They took away the stone, and Jesus LIFTED UP HIS EYES, AND SAID...V.43 Lazarus, come forth.

Where was Lazarus' soul? With God the Father.

Bless you all,
---trey on 12/5/07

If when we die our soul sleeps with our body in the grave? Why does the scripture state that our soul departs the body when we die?
Gen. 35:18
---trey on 12/5/07

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Soul Sleep is Jesus' term: "Lazarus Sleeps"
Acts2:29 "Brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day"

Acts2:34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens: The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand"
So Where is David? Lazarus sleeps, so does David. SDA's have it correct

The voice of devils speak from the grave, Necromancy is an Abomination, says the Lord
---SeventhSeal on 12/5/07

Dear Sister Kella,
Please don't let the SDA persuade you into believing that Soul Sleeping is real. Soul Sleeping is a man made term. You wont find it in the scriptures.

1. When we physically die, our soul, and spirit depart to be with the Lord. -2Cor 5:8
2. 1 Thes 4:14 Says that the Lord will bring our souls with him from Heaven on the resurrection moring.

---Trey on 12/4/07

Dear Sister Kella, (Part 2)

3. The Apostle John saw the souls of the martyrs in Heaven and they cried out to God for justice Rev 6:9.
4. Luke 16:19-31 Christ tells of the rich man and Lazarus. They werent asleep after death.
5. Gen. 15:15, 25:8, and 35:29. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, died. Their bodies were sleeping, but their spirits and souls departed to be with the Lord and their loved ones who had died earlier.

---Trey on 12/4/07

Dear Sister Kella, (Part 3)

When the scriptures speak of death as sleep, they are referring to our bodies at the time of death. I know you believe this. I hope and others can see from the scriptures that our spirit and souls do not sleep in death.

Lord bless each of you,
---Trey on 12/4/07

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lo_linda: May I suggest the Scriptures below that you just ignored!
---SeventhSeal on 12/4/07

May I suggest a comparative religion course to understand Paradise and Heaven.
You can also find much on the web.
Many do not understand the difference.
There is not one OT saint that is soul sleeping, not one. Utterly false doctrine that denies what Jesus Christ did on the Cross.
---lovable_linda on 12/4/07

loLinda: Sorry but "Thou shalt surely die" is what God said. He did not say your conscience continues as vapor.

Acts2:29 "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day"

Acts2:34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand"

So Where is David? As Lazarus sleeps so does David.
---TS on 12/4/07

Soul sleep is false doctrine followed by the SDA church.
---lovable_linda on 12/3/07

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The Bible does not teach soul sleep. For a Christian we pass from this life into another one. For the unbeliever they have two deaths to tend with. It is called the second death. HELL.
---catherine on 12/3/07

Soul Sleep denies the resurrection in that it has the idea that when you die, your soul becomes non existent until Jesus returns, then recreates your soul to go into your body. Adventists say that you come back the same person, but if you ceased to exist, then what you are is a clone, not really yourself. This is called re-creating, not resurrection.
---Mary on 12/3/07

I am doing a thorough biblical study on this and here is a new testament proof of immortality of the soul, found in I Peter 3:4 - Let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible (aphthartos- strong's #862)...This is the same greek word Paul used to describe God as immortal in 1 Tim 1:17. 1 Tim 6:16 uses athanasia to describe immortality, for God alone, which is a combonation of Alpha - 1st and thanasia, deathless. He is the First Deathless One.
---Mary on 12/3/07

And incedentally, not all words translated dead in the KJV mean that. Go to the strong's concordance online and look up dead #7496. It means ghost, and the Briggs's Lexicon expands it to mean Sunken powerless ones. Hades was the place where souls go after their body dies.
---Mary on 12/3/07

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Think about this Kella, What if you went to sleep tonight and slept soundly, no restlessness, no dreams, no pain, and awakened completely refreshed. You opened your eyes to witness an event that took you breath away, the glorious return of Jesus. You felt absolutely great, looked as good as you felt and your mind is instantly opened to the beauty of life that awaits you, more wondrous than you could have ever imagined. This is what awaits the dead in the Christ and all who love His appearing.
---joseph on 11/22/07

Kella I do not understand how referring to them as sleeping could cause fear. We sleep daily without fear, most of us look forward to that time of rest. The only difference between our natural sleep cycle and death is that we often times dream. Death is nothing to fear for the believer, for we know we will rise again, to a much better time and place. It is the unbeliever that should fear, for they will awaken to see the beauty of what the Father has prepared for man and find they will have no place there.
---joseph on 11/22/07

Why are you afraid of something that doesn't exist, namely soul sleep?

The people who believe in it get a big surprise when they die. Let's hope it's a pleasant one.
---Jack on 11/21/07

Doctrine of demons?? Wasn't it the head demon himself (satan) that told Eve "you don't really die"? Jesus told Martha that her dead brother was "sleeping" Those that deny soul sleep are preaching the "doctrine of demons"!
---1st_cliff on 11/20/07

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First of all, it takes 2 things to make a living soul, a body and the breath of life. Without either one, there is no living soul. Genesis 2,7
Second, the soul is not immortal. The soul that sins shall die. Ezk 18:3-5
Third, both King David, Jesus and others thru-out the Bible speak of death as sleep. Ps 13:3, John 11:11-14
There are an abundance of texts that support death as a a temporary state of unconcious being until the resurrection.
---robin8683 on 11/20/07

Cont. It was hard to accept, but I'm glad I did. Soul sleep is a doctrine of demons. That is serious. Adventists are sadly misled.
---Kella3336 on 11/20/07

I am a nurse and I've seen people die. Those that believe that you go to heaven or hell when they die are usually the ones that die in terror. Those that believe they sleep until Jesus wakes them die peacefully.
---robin8683 on 11/20/07

Bob, I agree that it is a doctrine of demons. That is why there is this fear. While an adventist, I prayed to God that he would make an exception for me. I did not find comfort in ss. It seemed eerie. Yet I was an adventist. When I began learning the truth, it was hard at first.
---Kella3336 on 11/20/07

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The bible speaks about people weren't dead but sleeping in the Lord. I would believe God's word rather than a piece of paper with man's opinion on it. Because chances are you were also told that all of these students went to be with the Lord. When in fact they can't be in God's kingdom right now, because his kingdom isn't here yet.
---Rebecca_D on 11/19/07

Soul sleep, doctrine of demons. It denies the resurrection.

Take the false gospels bible quiz up above.
While you're at it, read the articles about False teachers, false gospels on CN.
---Bob on 11/19/07

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