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When Was Revelation Written

Was the book of REVELATION written before 70 AD ,or after 70 AD?

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Alan, actually scripturae testimonium: John "begins to write" to the 7 churches, Rev.1:4,11,19 - 3:22.
"After this" John writes of the 7 seals, Rev.4:1 - 8:1.
"And John writes of 7 seven angels given 7 trumpets, Rev.8:2 - 11:19.
And John writes of the war, the antiChrist, and the harvest judgment, Rev.12:1 - 14:20.
And John writes of the 7 vials, Rev.15:1 - 16:21.
And John writes of the Harlot and Babylon destroyed, Rev.17:1 - 18:24.
"And after these things" John writes of Praises, Jesus' 2nd Coming and the 1000 year reign, and Great White throne Judgment, Rev.19:1 - 20:15.
And John writes of the new heaven and new earth, Rev.21:1 - 22:21.
---Eloy on 1/14/11


\\Surely there would exist scriptural record of John's ministerings for 40 years among all those whom he had alleged to have ministered to, but there is no record nor documented book of this, simply because it is not true:\\

But there ARE documented records of the Apostles' activities in the decades after Christ.

\\for I believe as the scriptures clearly confess, that the twelve apostles were hated and persecuted and were martyred soon after Christ was hated and killed.\\

But they weren't all killed soon after Christ.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


Eloy ... "And Revelation having only 21 chapters foretelling the end times reveals that his writing was not done over a long period of many years, but instead was done within a short time"

That seems to be a non sequitor
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/14/11


Alan, Surely there would exist scriptural record of John's ministerings for 40 years among all those whom he had alleged to have ministered to, but there is no record nor documented book of this, simply because it is not true: for I believe as the scriptures clearly confess, that the twelve apostles were hated and persecuted and were martyred soon after Christ was hated and killed. And I believe that the sinners did not kill John as they did the other apostles, but he was banished to isolation on the isle of Patmos. And Revelation having only 21 chapters foretelling the end times reveals that his writing was not done over a long period of many years, but instead was done within a short time. Please Read- Rev.1:9+ 2:10+ Jn.15:20,21.
---Eloy on 1/14/11


\\This means that John wrote Revelation in the 3rd decade A.D. and died soon after his writing.
---Eloy on 1/13/11\\

John did not die until about 90.
---Cluny on 1/13/11




Eloy ... It is surely possible that John did go out immediately and evangelise, and then when he was old, he had the revelation, and recorded it?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/13/11


\\No One whom speaks falsehood is saved, therefore you are not presently saved.\\

By your own token you are not saved because you post falsehood all the time.

Furthermore, no one who mixes up "who" and "whom" knows how to write English properly, so how can his Hebrew and Greek translations be trusted?
---Cluny on 1/13/11


There is no record that the apostles remained resident in Jerusalem for over 40 years, and then afterward, if they survived the persecution, one of them decided to get up and was sent to the isle of Patmos to write Revelation: for on the contrary, after Jesus rose from the dead he commanded them to Go and preach the gospel, and make disciples of all nations: and he did Not command them to wait over 40 years and then Go preach.
---Eloy on 1/13/11


The Acts of the apostles were already propagating the gospel two-by-two, and were being persecuted when Christ was persecuted and killed, and this is one reason why John was exiled. Jesus was martyrd in 28 A.D. at 32 years of age, and John was one of Jesus' contemporaries. This means that John wrote Revelation in the 3rd decade A.D. and died soon after his writing.
---Eloy on 1/13/11


29AD the Messiah came3,1/2 years to death 33 spring, Passover Nisan 14. March, back 1/2 year October, his birth.
Proof: The shepherds were out in the field. December our time, is cold and rainy, snowy, too cold to stay far away in the fields.outdoors at night. The stall that was empty at his birth, would be occupied by the herds. In the wintertime, the shepherds would be sleeping in their houses, just take the sheep to the pasture grounds around the city.
What hour was your grandmother born? It's just a couple of generations back. Leroy,but Jesus 2 at night
If the bible does not tell us the date and hour, how do you know.1 Corithians 4:6 "do not go beyond what is written"
---makesure on 1/12/11




It was written around 96-97AD, when the king was Domitian.
---Dorian on 8/1/09


Eloy:

How could the Revelation date from the third decade AD, when the first part of it is addressed to the seven churches in Asia, which were not in existence until several decades later (much less having been around long enough to develop reputations for Jesus to praise and/or admonish)?
---StrongAxe on 7/31/09


Thank you Kathr so noted.

Eloy you give an exact date which the numbers do not allow you to do. I have no Problem with JESUS being born in 5BC or 4 BC because both would fit. I do not beleive he was born in December. That does not fit with the Biblical description.

You then talk about when he begain his ministry about 26 to 27 AD which is fine. He was crucified in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel about 30 31 AD. But none of this has anything to do with when Revelaton was written.
---Samuel on 6/17/09


Samuel, the hard cruel fact is, anyone who disagrees with Eloy is not saved! Agreeing with Eloy IS SALVATION.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/09


.samuel, the fact is, No One whom speaks falsehood is saved, therefore you are not presently saved. I preach the straight truth given to me from my Lord which truth can also be found recorded in the Scriptures, and not any words from unsaved scholars.
---Eloy on 5/15/09


,michael, Christ was born in the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8:00, on Dec.25th. His birth is (69 weeks= 69 x 7 yrs)= 483 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Dn.9:25). The decree was made the 7th year of Artaxerxes 40 year reign= 458 B.C. (Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27). Jesus began to minister at 30 (Lk.3:23). Now count forward 483 years from 458 B.C.= 26 A.D. (1 is added because there is no date 0), now count back 30 years= 5 B.C. (1 added again because there is no 0). Thus, Jesus birthday is December 25, 5 B.C. In 26 A.D. Jesus began to minister (Lk.3:23). We count that he ministered 3 years, attending 3 Passovers (Jn.2:13+ 6:4+ 11:55+ 12:1+ 13:1+ Lk.22:53), and thus was crucified on April 14, 28 A.D. after his last Passover supper.
---Eloy on 5/15/09


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Eloy, We seem to agree in most other Blogs.
I am sorry we do not agree here.
May I ask for your sources of this information, for I have yet to find it on my own, so that I may study it, as the Bible says, whether it to be true or not?
---Michael on 5/14/09


samuel, you speak falsehood, because no light in you, and until you get saved you will continue to say and believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy

Interesting. I was born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT 33 years ago. I said most scholars say it was after 70 AD and that JESUS died about 30-31 AD. Those are facts that have nothing to do with my relationship with JESUS.
So why the personal attack?
---Samuel on 5/14/09


.samuel, you speak falsehood, because no light in you, and until you get saved you will continue to say and believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 5/14/09


Forget what your scholars say. Jesus criticized them while doing the Fathers will on earth.
---Steveng on 5/13/09


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JESUS was crucified about 30 - 31 AD.

Revelation was written after 70AD according to every scholar I have read.
---Samuel on 5/13/09


.michael, you question the very plain English that I post again, perhaps you need to learn reading comprehension. As I have clearly posted, Jesus was killed in 28 A.D. at 32 years of age.
---Eloy on 5/13/09


disregard last.. misread your comment..
So yo believe John to be martyred between 28AD and 30AD? since that is the 3rd decade?
---Michael on 5/13/09


what year was Jesus crucified?
---Michael on 5/13/09


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.michael, "I am he that lives and was dead, and here, I am alive for evermore." "the things which are," are the things which John was being shown as currently happening. All the Apostles were Jesus' contemporaries. Jesus was martyrd April 14, 28 A.D. being 32 years old. The Apostles spread the gospel, and were all soon persecuted and many martyrd. We have no Biblical record of John being martyrd, nor his continuing any journeyings after completing the book of Revelation. Since the scripture is quiet of him being murdered, and no further excursions by him, we believe he died soon after his writing. Jesus was martyrd in 28 A.D., this means that John wrote Revelation in the 3rd decade A.D. and died soon after his writing.
---Eloy on 5/13/09


And you believe this to be before the ascension?
May I ask in Rev 1:19 Jesus says "the things which are", what do you think he's refering to?
And another if I may.. Can you tell me aprox when John died and how if you have that information?
---Michael on 5/12/09


.michael, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must swiftly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel onto his servant John: who bore witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. I John saw also, in between the seven lampstands resembled Son of man. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying to me, Fear not, I am the First and the Last, he that lives and was dead, and here, I am alive for evermore, A-men, and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will be hereafter." Rev.1:1,2,9,13,17-19.
---Eloy on 5/12/09


Doug: "But, given its highly symbolic nature, even if it is John's work, it is almost impossible to prove its meaning. Every generation and denomination has interpretted differently."

It's only symbolic to those who don't understand. WE today have become too knowledgeable to understand. If you wrote about whatever you saw in the year 4009, the people in that time would also consider your writings symbolic. As the end time events start to unravel, so will the meaning of John's words. Prophesy is never known to be fulfilled until after the fact.
---Steveng on 5/10/09


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Outlaw99 - your reply was the first and the most virulent with a great deal of supposition and a dangerous level of pride.
While non-believers can't be argued into salvation please understand whether we believe or can prove scripture has no bearing on whether its true.
Man's opinion is inconsequential to truth which stands on its own claim.
Our moderator knows scripture "yet God be true and every man a liar".
The moderator's questions to not question the bible as truth but our attempts to understand truth. God or his word is not proven but revealed and only done so through faith. Without faith the bible would certainly appear false authorship.
God bless.
---larry on 5/10/09


Seriously, Rhonda, You can't tell me that you believe John the Baptist, Elisabeth's son who was beheaded by Herod, is the same as John the Apostle who was a fisherman that saw Jesus die?...
---Michael on 5/9/09


Now, Please PROVE John was the same age as Jesus.
******

"prove" John is same age? seriously HOW could anyone MISS it?

Do you comprehend Elisabeth was John's mother?

Elisabeth was the cousin of Mary ...and both were WITH CHILD at the same time Luke 1:26,36

Luke 1:13,41,55,57

Bible is the WORD of God Luke 4:4 not men

Revelation was written by John inspired by Christ the message given was not given to Apostles ...language is irrelevant to coded message for those living in end times when it would be revealed
---Rhonda on 5/9/09


Eloy, please note the references you are using as 'facts'. I would be more than eager to review them. Until then your 'zero facts' include the Bible itself and I will believe the Bible over you.
---Michael on 5/9/09


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There is zero evidence of John's Revelation being written by someone else after 70 A.D. after John has already died. And the historical fact is that John himself penned the words as Jesus dictated them to him not long after his crucifixion and resurrection and ascension back up into our heaven around the 3rd decade A.D.
---Eloy on 5/9/09


There is too much evidence that suggests that Revelation was written after 70AD.
The statement that it was John, one of Jesus's disciples is the most favored one.
He would have been between 60 and 100 years old (The Bible and other historical references do not give the age of John when he wrote this). It may have been dictated from John to Papias, one of John's disciples, as was written by this Bishop of Hierapolis. But, nonetheless, John was still alive while it was written in his presence.
---Michael on 5/8/09


.kathrn, The dating of Revelation is relevant, because I am addressing what the poster asked.
---Eloy on 5/8/09


Eloy, WHY is it so important to YOU to date Revelation?

Regardless ...these are still things yet to come!

Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Those things which must be hereafter, have not yet come to pass.

So, it really DOESN'T matter WHEN Revelation was written...what matters is....
Do you believe in the WRATH to COME???

Revelation is not the ONLY place we are warned of God's wrath to come!!!! Yet, so many believing this already took place will be snuck up on like a thief in the night!
---kathr4453 on 5/8/09


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.kathrn, you will believe whatever you desire. It is proven that the Apostles were not children nor old men, because they were actively laboring in their professions when Jesus chose them: tax collector, physician, fishermen etc. And it is proven that Jesus also addressed them as brothers when he talked with them.
---Eloy on 5/7/09


Eloy, Do you have anything against OLD MEN???

We also KNOW Jesus made mention that John, unlike Peter and the rest of the Apostles would not be Killed as they. He lived a LONG OLD AGE!!!

Now, Please PROVE John was the same age as Jesus.

I really believe John was young because of the much affection John seems to have had towards Jesus, as that would be a characteristic of a young adolescent person. Those days 15 was not considered a baby, yet not a grown man either.

Mary was no older than 12 since she conceived right after she reached puberty. Back then women married very young.

Again Eloy, Bar Mitzvah, age 13 is when a boy becomes a man and the proper age for one to keep the commandments.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/09


kathr, what is unreasonable is you thinking that there was a great age difference between Jesus and John, and that John wrote what Jesus told him to write, after he was an old man. Jesus was the same age as his apostles, he neither called adolescent children nor aged men for his 12 apostles.
---Eloy on 5/6/09


Nero the anti-christ??

Well Nero committed suicide, not a description of anti-christ.

And taking Thesselonians into account WHEN the anti-christ will come, has not happed even to date, nor has the DAY of the Lord, the WRATH of the LAMB happened YET.

The ONLY reason and purpose one feel compelled to DATE Revelation is to say the rapture already took place, 70ad, the wrath of God has already come, Israel was all then re-gathered and back in their land( sorry...that only been in this past century) and the Millenniel Kingdom of 1000 years has come and gone..ended in 1070ad....the new heaven and earth are here now...the Great white throne judgement has come and gone...and we are ALL in HELL now and forever without HOPE!!!
---kathr4453 on 5/5/09


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Eloy, rather than say the 3rd decade, which would be 30 something AD. Jesus died in 32AD, teh third decade. Jesus was approx 33 years old.

So 70 AD Jesus would be approx 70 years old, and 96AD Jesus would be...(if still in the flesh 96 years old.

Now the Apostle John if he wrote Revelation could have been anywhere from 10 to 15 years younger than Jesus when Jesus went into His Ministry..approx 29 or 30 years old, making John 15-30. (after all, even Mary was a child herself!)

That would make John possibly (as no where is John's age ever given) anywhere from 75-96 when it was wtitten. That's IF the Apostle John wrote it.

Nothing unreasonable here!
---kathr4453 on 5/5/09


Unsaved and unlearned people wrongly think that the writers of the New Testament copied from some other manuscript, but this is falsehood. The New Testament was penned by the witnesses as they witnessed Jesus' ministry firsthand. John did not use any manuscripts when he penned Revelation, but he wrote exactly what Christ dictated to him firsthand around the 3rd decade A.D.
---Eloy on 5/4/09


There is a second century manuscript which states that the original was written in 68AD.in the second chapter the temple in jerasulem is mentioned,and it was destroyed in 70AD.also remember in those days old was a lot younger than today.Also the only period of time that all seven churches existed was in the 60s AD
---tom2 on 5/4/09


John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, and John of Patmos refer to three separate individuals. Certain lines of evidence suggest that John of Patmos wrote only Revelation, not the Gospel of John or the Epistles of John. The author of Revelation identifies himself as "John" several times, but the author of the Gospel of John never identifies himself directly. While both works liken Jesus to a lamb, they consistently use different words for lamb when referring to him the Gospel uses amnos, Revelation uses arnion.

The Gospel is written in nearly flawless Greek, but Revelation contains grammatical errors and stylistic abnormalities which indicate its author was not as familiar with the Greek language as the Gospel's author.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/09


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Revelation 2:13 (King James Version)

13I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


This says that Antipas was already slain, who was the Bishop of Pergamon that was matyred in 92AD. So I must conclude by Revelations itself that it was written after 70AD. Consider me a fringe christian as well.
---Michael on 5/2/09


Revelation is questionable. Supposedly written by John, but the writer of Revelation doesn't seem to know how to use proper Greek, whereas John knew how to use it in his letters and in his Gospel. The book is likely created sometime shortly after the apostles. Its highly almost endless symbolic nature is not similar to any other New Testament writer's style or work, which also adds to its questionable status. Scholars have disagreed over the books authenticity for almost 2000 years. It may be scriptural, but I would not consider it absolutely authoritative. But, given its highly symbolic nature, even if it is John's work, it is almost impossible to prove its meaning. Every generation and denomination has interpretted differently.
---Doug on 4/19/09


Before. Revelation was wriiten by John around the 3rd decade A.D.
---Eloy on 4/18/09


There may be a problem with the Schofield Bible! It's not God's word that is in question but Schofield's commentary! He was promoting Darby's ideas about the end times that was never put in writing before.
Check it out.
---Rod on 4/17/09


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the scholars are wrong, John was not almost 100 years old when Jesus dictated Revelation to him, but instead Revelation was written by saint John in the 3rd century A.D.
---Eloy on 12/9/07


Revelation was written in the 3rd decade A.D., when John was in his thirties, and not in 95 A.D. as some scholars wrongly say.
---Eloy on 12/9/07


This book was written by the apostle John when he was a captive on the island of Patmos in the Aegean Sea. It dates from about A.D. 95. John says that he was in the Spirit on the Lords Day and he began to see visions of things that must soon come to pass. So this is clearly a predictive book.
---catherine on 12/7/07


So, if "Real Christians" do not question the Book of Revelation's canonical status, are you saying that Martin Luther and his early followers were not Christians? How about all those early Christians that were in Jerusalem, Palestine, Syria, etc, that rejected it for the first hundreds of years?
---stephen on 12/7/07


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"It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Book of Revelation], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherencies of our own nightly dreams." -- Thomas Jefferson
---stephen on 12/7/07


[I] "in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it [Book of Revelation]". - Luther

Interesting that Luther took the Book of Revelation out of the New Testament when doing his German Translation of the Bible and placed the book in an appendix without even page numbers. Luther,that great protestant leader and thinker, thought it dubious enough to personally de-canonize it.
---stephen on 12/7/07


Trey

There is no arguing with eloy. In his mind, he is never wrong, so do not waste your time in dialog.
---Observer on 12/4/07


Eloy,

After some study, I have to disagree.

Irenaeus (c. 130-202). He was bishop of Lyons in Gaul. In Against Heresies (A.D. 180-199) wrote of the Apostle John's banishment to the Isle of Patmos (Rev.1:9), and writing of the Revelation.

AD 236, Hippolytis wrote of the book of the Revelation by the Apostle John.

AD 270, Victorinus also wrote of the Apostle John writing the book of the Revelation.

How could these men write what about a book that hadn't been written?
---trey on 11/29/07


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Eloy,

Are there two Eloys? Please notice the comments on the 23rd, 26th, and 28th.

I agree with the earlier comments and disagree with the later.

???
---trey on 11/29/07


trey, the scholars are wrong, John was not almost 100 years old when Jesus dictated Revelation to him, but instead Revelation was written by saint John in the 3rd century A.D.
---Eloy on 11/28/07


Stephen, please place my name next to Mima's.

Augustine, scholars claim it to be written around 95 A.D., but I'm not sure since I wasn't there at the time.
---trey on 11/26/07


---Stephen please add my name to your fringe Christian list.
---Mima on 11/26/07


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stephen, The inspired book of Revelation is not dubious nor debated by real Christians. In Revelation, Jesus speaks to John: "Wjat you see, write in a book, and send onto the seven churches which are in Asia. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify onto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star." Revelation 1:11+ 22:16.
---Eloy on 11/26/07


stephen, The inspired book of Revelation is not dubious nor debated by real Christians. In Revelation, Jesus speaks to John: "What you see, write in a book, and send onto the seven churches which are in Asia. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify onto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star." Revelation 1:11+ 22:16.
---Eloy on 11/26/07


God also warns us, that those whom take away and corrupt God's word, God will also take away their place from paradise, for no liars are permitted into holy heaven.
---Eloy on 11/26/07


.stephen, the Inspired book of Revelation is only dubious and questionable to the unsaved. In Revelation, Jesus speaks to John: "What you see, write in a book, and send on to the seven churches which are in Asia. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify onto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morining star." Revelation 1:11+ 21:16. Nope, no dubious nor question about Jesus' Revelation.
---Eloy on 11/26/07


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Revelation is "dubious". Its authorship was hotly debated for hundreds of years and is still debated today. It was excluded from several of the early cannons of scripture. Its questionable teachigs, incomprehensible style and lack of a solid historical pedigree made it dubious, both as to its value and its authenticity. If someone wrote it today, we would think the person insane or on drugs. Fringe christians have consistently been drawn to it.
---Stephen on 11/23/07


It was long before 70 A.D. Because as Jesus was persecuted and slain, so too shortly after his ascension and the pouring out of his Holy Spirit upon his disciples, that they too were immediately persecuted as they went out publishing the gospel. And it was at this time around the 3rd decade A.D. that John was exiled to the isle of Patmos, and there he penned the book of Revelation as Jesus instructed him.
---Eloy on 11/23/07


Hi notlaw99! If by biblical incompetence, you mean that I'm void of theological trappings, then you are indeed correct! As far as your rhetoric concerning pseudepigraphal conclusions, you are most entitled to your opinion as well! Enjoy your delusion!
---Mike_W on 11/21/07


Mike_W, you statement demonstrates your Biblical incompetence. There are only two dominantly apologetic text contained in the Christian canon Daniel and Revelation both of which are pseudepigraphic along with the non-canon apocalyptic literature.
---notlaw99 on 11/21/07


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Good morning every one. Hope you slept well. Revelation was written in A.D. 95-100. Something else that I came across. It is not the cross that is the symbol of Christianity, but the empty tomb.
---catherine on 11/21/07


notlaw99, the Bible in its entirety is apocalyptic. Does that make it "dubious?"
---Mike_W on 11/20/07


Yes, it does matter,because then one can begin to relate as to the of the relevance of the prophecies and when or if they occured.Also as mentioned the accuracy of the greek language used in writing.And what does history actually records.
---Quin on 11/20/07


Some scholars say that Revelation was written before John's Gospel (presumably the last book of the NT written).

Does it really matter, though?
---Jack on 11/20/07


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According to the Scofield Bible the book of Revelation was written in A.D. 96. The theme of the Revelation is Jesus Christ(1:1). Interpreters of the Revelation should bear in mind two important passages: (1 Peter 1:12, 2 Peter 1:20-21). God Bless friend!
---Cynthia on 11/19/07


The generally accepted date for the Gospel of John is 90 CE and Revelations is 95 CE. The quality of Greek grammar in John is excellent while the quality of the Greek grammar in Revelations is terrible giving outstanding credence that Revelations is a product of false authorship as is the case of all apocalyptic literature. It was not an uncommon practice to write a text in the name of another Hebrew hero and this carried forward into the 1st and 2nd Century Church. Revelations is a dubious text at best.
---notlaw99 on 11/19/07


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