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I pray to god and god only. I do not pray to idols that represent god. e.g. Crucifix, sacrificial lamb, jesus, or any other false idol of god. "You shall have no other gods before me." "You shall not make carved images or any likeness of anything in the heavens above."
Although I do not prey to Jesus, I still recognize him. He was the son of god but no more a son of god then you and I. He was chosen to spread gods word but only being a man he became corrupted by his growing power. This is why god forsaked him on the cross. .
---Michael on 5/8/10


We are suspose to pray to God,in Jesus Name. Jesus is the intercessor between God and man,therefore the only way we can get to God is through Jesus. John 15:16 Ye have not choosn me but I have choosen you,and ordained you,that whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name,He may give it you.
---Darlene_1 on 1/28/09


Christ taught us to pray to "our father which art in heaven" i.e. our heavenly father. I don't remember anywhere that he taught his disciples or followers to pray to him. Some may use the trinity concept to say it doesn't matter, but that requires us to insert our own opinion, rather than simply following Christ's actual teachings.
---doug on 1/28/09


Either one is correct. This is a message for God's people only. Let no devil or man tell you not to pray in the name of the true God, Jesus Christ. For there is none other God. That is if you do not want God's judgment to come down upon you as the wicked man.
---catherine on 1/28/09


It's only through Jesus that we can have an intimate relationship with God and call Him Father. By accepting the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the atonement of our sins, we are sinless and acceptable to God.
---Joe on 1/28/09




Yahshua/Jesus himself told us how & what to pray.
It's obvious many stumble at these simple instruction's of our Lord's OWN words and don't even understand what there praying when they pray
"The Lords Prayer".

Pour out your Spirit Father as promised, those day's are upon us, Look upon the Earth and see, It is as you said it would be,
In the Name of your Son Yahshua/Jesus I Pray and Glorify you in HIS name, Selah & Shabbat Shalom
YLBD
ps. Our Father knows what we have need of,
Be content with that & what you do have.
Over a 100 mil. people woke up today W/no food/bed/good water/medicine/basic needs/ect. ect. ect.
Let's reassess what we DO have,
compared to other's & be thankful...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/13/08


Jesus didnt tell us to pray to him, but to use his name when speaking to the Father.

on the otherhand, believers are encouraged to fellowship with the Lord through and by God's word.
---opalgal on 12/13/08


Ness, Jesus is not the same as the Father. Jesus points us to the Father, the source. Jesus is the creator of the world and the judge of this world. The Father is the one from whom everything comes. Jesus is the only son of the Father. Jesus is the human revelation of the godhead.
---frances008 on 12/12/08


The Bible says that when we pray, we are to pray to God (the Father) in Jesus' Name. This is to ask God (the Father) for what you want, taking on everything that Jesus is (not who we are), so it can be answered.
---Leslie on 12/12/08


Eloy~ Yes indeed, I pray for all the wisdom and discernment God will give me. Thanks for the wise words.

Yes, I understand that there are many out there who have
'Warm words, kind smiles, and religious attire'
But yes we should follow God's word which says:
'Let God be true and every man a liar.'

In other words, we must follow God's word, and not the smooth words of men.

Frances~ Yes, you can correct me any time you wish... I just want to be true to God's word. As long as we both agree the Bible is the foundation we stand on.
---Anne on 12/12/08




Yes, Anne, check out everything I say in the Bible. Do not trust just me, or anyone for that matter. How do you know the person in question wants you and your family to be saved? They may be setting you up for destruction. Check out the Bible and trust only the Bible.
---frances008 on 12/11/08


Anne, Ask the Lord for wisdom that he will give it to you in order to discern rightly and to judge righteous judgment, for not all whom say: "Lord, Lord", are from the Lord: and not all whom profess Jesus from their lips have Jesus dwelling in their hearts: nor do all whom say they are Christian are Christian nor do they obey Christ's Commandments. Anne, when you have spiritual discernment from Christ, then you will truly know whom is from Christ and whom is not from Christ, for not all whom flatter you with sweet words and tell you delightful things are from Christ, just as many whom attend church have lip-service, but no real Christ in their life.
---Eloy on 12/11/08


Yeah it's cool. It took me a momment to realize that myself. My apologies as well.
---Ness on 12/9/08


---Ness:

My Apologies Brother!! I see now that you were not asking a question, so much as you were choosing a different word to express your belief that the Spirit of Jesus is the self same Spirit of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost.

Once again, My Apologies Brother & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/9/08


Shawn_M.T. I, unfortunately do not know what point you're making overall because I don't understand what are saying. However, I will address what I can understand. Where do I state that Jesus Is not the Son of God? I don't. So I'm not sure if you've gotten me confused with someone else's comment. What I said is that Matthew 28:19 is talking about Jesus. Jesus IS the Father, IS the Son, IS the Holy Ghost.
---Ness on 12/9/08


but you are saying the same thing that we are DDM, LOL.

So why the arguement?
---miche3754 on 12/9/08


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---Miche3754:***Ness and DDM are being too technical i.e. legalistic but telling everyone else that we are.

When you baptize, do it in all three- father son and holy spirit OR
baptize in the name of Jesus.
They both mean the same thing!****

True That!! In all that you do, do it as the Spirit of God draws your heart to do and you'll avoid all the legality of men & continue to abide in the True of God's Word.

God has truly Bless you with the discernment of His Word,(no matter how other try to present it in front of you~Amen) through your diligent enduring in the Truth of His Word (-:
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/9/08


---Ness:***Justifies is the wrong word, I meant PROVES Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.***

Ness, Once again, your stands in the Lord our Savior seems a little obscure, after reading your above question(and I believe it's only because your beliefs are dem & unsure and you're not rightly receiving discernment from the Spirit of God) because it sounds like you're stating that you DO NOT believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but you stated earlier that you believe that we're to baptize & pray in Jesus's Name.

So is it your belief that we're to baptize & pray in the Name of Jesus but He is not the Son of God?
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/9/08


Justifies is the wrong word, I meant PROVES Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
---Ness on 12/8/08


DDM that seems to be arguing when actually even he is saying the same thing.
It seems he prefers to see them as 3 seperate entities of 1 God.
---miche3754 on 12/8/08

Now, YOU got it, Because "they are" 3 seperate entities of 1 God(Father)!!!

I don't argue, I'm not here to change your minds, Just give the truth as it's been given to me....
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/8/08


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ness,
not arguing, just different ways of explaining the same thing!! God bless you!
it is DDM that seems to be arguing when actually even he is saying the same thing.
It seems he prefers to see them as 3 seperate entities of 1 God.
---miche3754 on 12/8/08


It seems to me that we are arguing the same idea but differently. I have been saying the entire time that it's all about the NAME of Jesus. But somehow my words have been lost in translation, go figure-how ironic. Literally reread over what I've said. We're saying the exact same thing. I said when you address Jesus, you are addressing the Father. And there's certainly no one further legalistic than me. I am led by the Spirit. I was just trying to make a point about one particular scripture that to me undeniably justifies that Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
---Ness on 12/8/08


shawn m.t. I agree with you. Jesus is ALL 3 and the 3 are 1- Jesus.
When you say Holy Ghost- you are Talking about Jesus. When you say God- you are talking about Jesus. When you say the Son- you are talking about Jesus.
Ness and DDM are being too technical i.e. legalistic but telling everyone else that we are.

When you baptize, do it in all three- father son and holy spirit OR
baptize in the name of Jesus.
They both mean the same thing!
---miche3754 on 12/8/08


---Ness:

The Spirit of God, is the one and same Spirit that makes up the Father, Son & Holy Ghost. Whenever we pray to one or the other, we're at the same time proclaiming their one Spirit.

The disciples rightly baptized/praied in the name of Christ Jesus, but so is everyone else who does it in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost as commanded in Matt.28:19. We're all still baptizing in the Spirit of God's Salvational Word.

We're not to try and rewrite the interpretation of God's Word, so we may continue to abide in the comfort of what we have already discerned....and we're to be careful not to condemn one another on the bases of lack of discernment!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/5/08


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I pray to God my father, through my brother Jesus Christ. It is like this..I need to send a message to the Owner of the company, but he has a person recieving messages for him that takes it & then gives it directly to him,so otherwise Jesus is our mediator or spokesperson/messenger for God the father,so he takes everything we need to him.
---candice on 12/5/08


---Ness:

The lanuage that the Isrealites spoke wasn't english. Christ didn't even pronounce it "Jesus". The important thing is to pray and proclaim Him in the spirit & true that lies in the intent of a heart to do His Will.

We need an unction from His interceding Spirit, before we can even have the utterance to rightly proclaim and call on His name. The overwhelming desire to emphasize a particular enunciation of the NAME of the Trinity, is what causes many to loose sight of the spiritual true in His name.

Rom.8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/5/08


miche3754...Where in the bible does Jesus' disciples baptize saying "in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost"? It isn't found because they didn't, they baptized in Jesus' name...who IS the NAME of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
---Ness on 12/5/08


Duane_Dudley_Martin

I agree with you in that it is all about that NAME, the NAME of JESUS because it's the truth and the truth shall make you free. However, Jesus is the Father as well as the Holy Ghost. We, as God's body are not seeking Him is what it boils down to getting wisdom and understanding. And from that we certainly start to sound Legalistic. We as a church cannot put boundaries on God, and by saying something is not possible for God does because ALL thing are possible right?! It's time for the church to take the limits off of God.
---Ness on 12/5/08


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I ask the Father(Yahweh/God) in the name of his Son(Yahshua/Jesus) as instructed too, BY THE SON(Yahshau/Jesus)...

So, NOW the "?" is(?),
Will YOU listen to Jesus or MAN?

The wisdom of men have failed you,
Will you continue to follow their way's(?),
Seek the Way, The truth are in his words and in HIS way's...
We were once called "Follower's of The Way",
I pray we can get back to that, soon!

Jesus left us many examples that we are to Follow/Live by, pray for strength to bear the Armor of God which one needs to Overcome the way's of the Devil.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/5/08


Eloy~ I'm a person who loves mercy. I'm very hesitant to judge whether anyone is saved or not...for I know how extremely merciful and patient God has always been with me, and continues to be with me. I strive to love others in the same way God has always loved me.
---Anne on 12/5/08


And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, IS NOT MINE to give, BUT it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of MY FATHER.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be SAVED, but he that believeth NOT shall be DAMNED.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the NAME of JESUS Christ FOR the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive THE GIFT of the Holy Ghost.

Alot of you are becoming LEGALIST like the Pharisee's & Sadducee's...

It's in the Name of Jesus that we find Salvation, Not God or the Holy Ghost's...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/5/08


ness,
Jesus had just risen when He said that to his disciples.
Jesus was getting ready to go to the Father.(Back to himself).

What you have to understand is this.
God is 3 parts in 1 Spirit.
God is the father.
God is Jesus(WORD, Son).
God is the Holy Spirit.
These 3 are 1.1 John 5:7
Jesus said to baptize in these because these bear record that Jesus is all 3 in 1.

Jesus said that anything we ask of the Father in his Name, it will given according to His good measure. We ask in the Name of Jesus.
We baptize according to the 3.
---miche3754 on 12/5/08


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Shawn_M.T....No that's not what I meant or said. What I am saying is the church as a whole has misinterpreted this particular scripture to emphasize the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost as the "trinity", and that's not what the scripture is saying at all. What should be emphasized in this particular scripture is the NAME, and Jesus is the name. I know that God's Word is infallible...rooted...and I stand on it.
---Ness on 12/5/08


miche3754... My question was why didn't His disciples baptize in all three, they only did in Jesus' name. God's Word doesn't contradict itself. It's we that don't understand. It's us that operate with reasonable and logical frames of reference, upon which we cannot rely. Do you not believe that God is the God of impoosibilities, super natural wonders and miracles, then how is it that it's absolutely impossible for this to be so.
---Ness on 12/5/08


---Ness,12/2/08 you posted:**the church as a whole has emphasized the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit which is WRONG...the emphasis should be on the NAME...The name of Jesus**

Did you mean to express that you don't understand Matt.28:19, instead of claiming that the Church and the Spirit of God's command in Matt. 28:19 was WRONG? God's Word is not a lie!!

First of all, the disciples of Jesus Christ neither fasted nor pray in His name, until after His ascendsion(Luke 5:33-35).

There's no disobedience on the part of those, like the disciples, who baptize, heal, deliver, and pray by saying "Jesus" or "The Son of God" because the Father, Son(Jesus) and the Holy Ghost are one and the same.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/5/08


good morning ness and god bless you!
Yes, I agree.
we baptize in all three because it is commanded of us. FAITH. doing what we are told by GOD without question is part of that faith. There is POWER in the 3 that are 1.
We are given this power by God. We have to have faith in all things for God.
That his will be done and trust God and know that his way is always the right even if we don't understand.
---miche3754 on 12/5/08


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.Anne, Do not tell me to misjudge as you do. In your attempt to follow Jesus in loving everyone you have misjudged the unsaved as saved: but the wise servant judges rightly and discerns the unsaved from the saved and does not wrongly accept the unsaved as the saved. As Jesus Commands, Judge righteous judgment, and this I do: markv is not saved according to the fruit that he bears, for I easily know whom my members of my family are and I also easily know whom is none of my body.
---Eloy on 12/5/08


Eloy~ I think you and MarkV. just had a misunderstanding. Mark is a very faithful to God's word and pursues righteousness. Let us all try harder not to jump to conclusions about whether someone is saved or not, simply because of a misunderstanding. Let us try harder to pursue love, peace, and understanding.
---Anne on 12/4/08


miche3754... the point I'm trying to get to is...why then did Jesus' disciples baptize, heal, deliver, and pray in Jesus' name? Does that mean His disciples were disobedient? And we know from God's Word He desires obedience more than sacrifice, so what's up with that?
---Ness on 12/4/08


miche3754...there's a point in what you said that I agree with, is that we cannot on our own strength understand the Word, we NEED God's Spirit to help us understand His Word. We cannot trust/rely on something that MAN created as a means to understand God's Word. We must ask God for wisdom and God will provide. God said in His Word, James 1:5, that He won't hold back giving us the wisdom we need if we seek Him for it. One of the greatest Kings, Solomon, asked God for wisdom and he received wisdom that was recognized around the world. Read all of Proverbs but I point out Prov 1:7, 2:1-7. And 1 Corinthians talks about spiritual wisdom. I pray that we start and continue to seek God for wisdom. It's the only way God's Word can make sense to us.
---Ness on 12/4/08


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.markv, I correct you, because I am addressing the right guy, which is you, for you have posted: "Eloy, you are sending so many to purgatory. The place is filled already. ---MarkV. on 12/1/08". Therefore if you do not know what I am talking about, about the falsehood of purgatory, then why have you posted it? You need to get saved, then you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free from your deception.
---Eloy on 12/4/08


ness,
you are asking a question that can't be understood without the help of the Holy Spirit.
The 3 are 1, the 1 is 3.
God is Jesus(Son), God is the Holy Spirit, God is God(Father). All three are God.
God created man, man sinned, man is cut off.
God created Jesus a body(Physical of God).
Sent Jesus as proof of himself(God) to give a perfect sacrifice for sin and reconcile man back to Himself(so we are no longer cut of from God). Once Jesus sacrifice his flesh(what was nailed to the Cross) God sent the Holy Spirit, to comfort, guide, teach, and lead all mankind through Christ back to God.
I hope this makes sense, if not, please someone help me explain so it does.
---miche3754 on 12/3/08


Will someone tell me what this scripture means then...Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
---Ness on 12/3/08


God, Son, and Holy Comforter are one in the same being....but in 3 separate persons or offices. The beautiful thing about Jesus dying the second death on our behalf...is that God the Father sent part of Himself to that horrible death. I love that the Heavenly Daddy revealed Himself to us...up close and personal through the office of the Son, Jesus. And that when Jesus had to leave us...The Father (who is also in the Son) remained with us by way of the Third Person of the Trinity....the Holy Comforter. We are to pray 'in the name of Jesus.' But scripture says the Holy Spirit 'searches' the reins of our hearts and goes to God with the need. When we pray...all three are listening!
---internetelias on 12/3/08


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Mark V...
John 1:1-2
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

Hebrews 1:10
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Revelation 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
---Ness on 12/3/08


thankyou catherine!
God gets all the praise on it because it is His word.
Oh ddm,
Actually,
Jesus says he sticks CLOSER than a brother.
How about that?
We can tell him everything without being ashamed.
---miche3754 on 12/3/08


Eloy, I don't know what in the world you are talking about to me. Or what Purgatory has to do with the Godhead. Your subject is about Catholics. Plus I don't believe in such a place. False doctrine. You are speaking to the wrong guy.

Miche, your answer is perfect. Totally agree with you.
---MarkV. on 12/3/08


Miche3754, so do you agree that Jesus is the Father?
---Ness on 12/3/08


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Miche3754>>>You are 100% absolutely correct. Keep up the excellent work. We need more like you. Good day.++
---catherine on 12/3/08


ddm,
God is ALL 3!
He is the Father.
He is the Son.
He is the Holy Ghost.
All 3 are God.
I see nothing wrong with you calling him Brother Because he is.
But He is also the Father.
Why esle would Jesus say " I and my Father are 1" and " He that has seen me has seen the Father".
Because God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all in One.
---miche3754 on 12/3/08


,markv, there is no such thing as purgatory. Although people send themselves to perdition because of their unbelief. "The Holy Ghost says, Harden not your hearts as your fathers in the wilderness. They do always go astray in heart, and they have not known my ways. So I swore in my wrath, They will not enter into my rest. So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Let us therefore regard, else a promise remaining of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard." Hebrews 3:7-11,19+ 4:1,2.
---Eloy on 12/2/08


Donna I could not agree with you more.

No matter what God's word says there will always be personal differences in understanding, sometimes due to cultural understandings, but not the amazingly wide range of views expressed here. Some seem to have little if any grounding in Scripture.

Let God be true and every man a liar.
---Warwick on 12/2/08


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,markv, there is no such thing as purgatory. Although people send themselves to perdition because of their unbelief. "The Holy Ghost says, Harden not youe hearts as your fathers in the wilderness. They do always go astray in heart, and they have not known my ways. So I swore in my wrath, They will not enter into my rest. So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Let us therefore regard, else a promise remaining of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard." Hebrews 3:7-11,19+ 4:1,2.
---Eloy on 12/2/08


Ness, Isaiah 9:6 " For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given, And the goverment will be upon His shoulders. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace>" When this passage was given the incarnated Jesus had not been born yet. The passage states that He would be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, but he was called Jesus Christ. The passage also states Everlasting Father, Prince of peace, and the Messiah will be a Father to His people eternally. As David King, He will compassionately care for and discipline them (40:11, 63:16, 64:8, Pss 68:5,6, 103:13, Prov. 3:12). Jesus is not the Father that was from the beginning, He was and is the Son.
---MarkV. on 12/2/08


They(Yahshua/Jesus,God/Yahweh & the Holy Ghost/God's Spirit are one in Spirit,
Just as we are in him and he in us,
which maketh us one with him also...
Are you yet w/o understanding on this matter?

Now, are we the Children of God(The Father),
Called & Blessed among men.
Did Jesus ever say that he "WAS" the Father?
NO, BUT he did say that HE is "A Brother" to those that do "HIS Fathers" will...

I will sit on the lap of my Father(God/Yahweh) who is in Heaven and I will hug,kiss and hold the hand of my Brother the Lord Yahshua(Jesus)...

Who is man to tell me otherwise?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/2/08


ELOY is correct... what is the point of Isaiah 9:6 then? That means you are saying that the Word of God is incorrect and it isn't.

In Matthew 28:19 it says...Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost....the church as a whole has enphasized the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit which is wrong...the emphasis should be on the NAME...The name of Jesus. If it weren't so, does that mean Jesus' disciples were disobedient?
---Ness on 12/2/08


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Wow, the doctrine on this post is making me dizzy.

Why can't we find the answers in scripture and answer only what the scriptures say?

Jesus said, pray to the Father in my name. So we pray, Father in the name of Jesus, I come to you and ask you to heal the pain in my side and I thank you that you hear my prayers in Jesus name.

Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." The natural mind cannot understand the Trinity and how Jesus and the Father are one, but Jesse Duplantis does an excellent job of explaining it because he saw it. I'm going to get slammed for telling you that, but I know whom I believe. And I can tell when false doctrine is being posted here.
---donna8365 on 12/2/08


DDM,
Doesn't Jesus say "HE who has seen me, has seen the Father", "I and my Faather are One"
"There are three that bear witness in Heaven-The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these 3 are 1"
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God"
"And the Word was made flesh,and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
The 3- Father, Word, Holy Spirit = 1
Notice The Word= Jesus
This clearly means 3 parts of One being- GOD!!
---miche3754 on 12/2/08


The Son, Jesus will reign on earth for those 1000 yrs & w/a Rod of Iron he'll rule.

His Bride(Those who "readied themselves", Watched & Prayed, Trimmed their wicks & kept there lamps full of oil), the 144,000 & the beheaded who washed their robes w/there testimony of Gods word and refusing to take the Mark of the Beast(666)will rule in Jerusalem for those 1000 yrs.

Satan is let loose from that sealed pit After those 1000yrs and he will gather from the 4 quarters of the earth & from Gog & Magog and come against us in Jerusalem,
Then with fire from Heaven God devours them & Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire where the Beast & False Prophet was thrown at the beginning of the 1000 yrs..
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/2/08


ddm,
you are correct that we are to pray to the father.
Jesus said that what ever we ask the Father in his name, he will give it within the father's will.
Also, the three are one. Scripture says this too.
---miche3754 on 12/1/08

You are correct too, Just as long as your not saying that Yahshua, God & the Holy Ghost are one & the SAME being and not 3 seperate being's...

Let's remember that Stephen saw God sitting on his throne & Yahshua standing NEXT to God when he was being stoned to death,
2 seperate beings.
Yahshua cried unto his Father, Abba, why hast thou forsaken me.(2 beings)
This is my beloved SON, in whom I'm well pleased.(2 beings)
That list goes on & on...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/2/08


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"No! because Jesus was not yet raised into glory with the Father in knowing all things and having all power in Heaven and earth(Matt.28:18). Jesus only spoke what the Father told Him to speak. Jesus and the Father were one in the Word. "
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/2/08

This is an awesome answer, brother!!
---miche3754 on 12/2/08


---Steveng:***And who is it that will reign a thousand years? The Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit?***

Steveng, Do you believe in the Trinity? If not, then you'll never discern the truth when you try to answer this Blog or your own questions!!

The Father, Son, Holy Spirit & all that have redeemed salvations in Christ, is the answer to you question(Rev.20:6).

--Steveng:**If the Father and Jesus are one, wouldn't Jesus know when he will return?***

No! because Jesus was not yet raised into glory with the Father in knowing all things and having all power in Heaven and earth(Matt.28:18). Jesus only spoke what the Father told Him to speak. Jesus and the Father were one in the Word.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/2/08


Shawn_M.T.: "...we cannot refer to one without at the same time be referring to the other (Father,Son and Holy Spirit) ~ Wouldn't you agree?"

No. Jesus told the disiples athat no one knows when Jesus will return but the Father in heaven. If the Father and Jesus are one, wouldn't Jesus know when he will return? If Jesus knew but didn't tell, he would be considered a lier.

And who is it that will reign a thousand years? The Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit?

Search the Scriptures for more including the Old Testament.
---Steveng on 12/1/08


ddm,
you are correct that we are to pray to the father.
Jesus said that what ever we ask the Father in his name, he will give it within the father's will.
Also, the three are one. Scripture says this too.
---miche3754 on 12/1/08


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Eloy, you are sending so many to purgatory. The place is filled already.
---MarkV. on 12/1/08


"Who is this King of glory? YHWH of hosts, he the King of glory. Exalt. Know you all that YHWH he God. Who can this be that even the wind and sea obey him? And he comes to them, walking upon the sea, and says to them, Take courage: I am, be not afraid. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus says, I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ending, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty. And the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings." Ps.24:10+ 100:3+ Mk.4:41+ 6:48,50+ Is.9:6+ Rev.1:8+ 17:14.
---Eloy on 12/1/08


.duane, Many people do not even know the God revealed in the Bible, eventhough they read it a lot. The Only God has said of himself, "Search the scriptures, because in them you all think eternal life you all have: but they are they which testify about me." John 5:39 "But if indeed being covered the gospel from us, in them being lost it stands covered: In whom the deified whos of this age blinded the intelligence of the unbelieving, onto not the dawning on them the brightness of glad tidings, which glory of Christ, who stands portraying whos God." II Cor.4:3,4.
---Eloy on 12/1/08


.duane, Jesus says: "I and Father are one. I am the Almighty. He that sees me sees the Father. Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me because of the very miracles' sake." John 10:30+ Revelation 1:8+ John 12:44,45+ John 14:9,11. Yes I serve the only Everlasting Triune God, Jesus Christ, the Most High God and the King of glory.
---Eloy on 12/1/08


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For me to repent would make me a liar and the words of our God and His Son lies...

Stiff-Necked & Hard-Heartedness only leads to destruction of ones own self...

My Brother NEVER said to pray to HIM, But to pray unto HIS Father...

Don't you remember when the D's ASKED HIM, How should WE pray(?), and JESUS(Son)said this IS how, "Our Father"(God) who art in Heaven, holy is thy name, THY kingdom come and THY/YOUR will be done, ect. ect.(No disrespect attended Lord)...

DO YOU REJECT & UNABLE to HEAR HIS WORDS TOO?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/1/08


.duane_dudley_martin, Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but if you repent then I would be able to hear you. John 10:4,5.
---Eloy on 12/1/08


I agree with eloy & Shawn M.T. -
"...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."II Corinthians 4:4
".. feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD."Acts 20:28
"For there are 3 that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: THESE 3 ARE 1."1 John 5:7
God is 'I am'.
& God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14
Jesus is 'I am'.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
Any questions? ask, Ive got more where that came from. God Bless!!
---miche3754 on 12/1/08


Jesus IS NOT the Father, stirring the pot again huh Eloy?


Am I the Father(?) since God is in me too,
Or am I Jesus because he's in me also?

You err in your analogy of my Father & Brother...

I pray to my Father in the Name of my Brother!
You'd do well to do the same...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/1/08


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Jesus is the Father: the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.
---Eloy on 11/30/08


--Steveng:

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself, but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Christ prayed to the Father and did not know when He would return because He only spoke what the Father told Him and He had not yet come into His own glory.

In context your questions refer to Christ before His ascension. Now that Christ has risen as one with the Father in glory, we cannot refer to one without at the same time be referring to the other (Father,Son and Holy Spirit) ~ Wouldn't you agree?
---Shawn_M.T. on 11/29/08


Shawn_M.T.: "****Jesus says, "No human comes to the Father, except by me: I and Father are one." ---Eloy on 11/26/07*****"

This is taken out of context.

".....and seeing how they are one and the same, it doesn't matter which is addressed first!!!!!"

If they are one and the same why does jesus pray to the Father? Why does the Father know when Jesus will return and not Jesus himself?
---Steveng on 11/28/08


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