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What Day Is The Sabbath

What day should we take for the sabbath?

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The Lord has a day that belongs to Him. That is His day-the Lord's day. Rev.1:10
Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day.So the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. Math 12:8
The 7th day of the week is the Sabbath-the Lord's day. Ex:20:8-11
God made the Sabbath at the creation of the world, before there was Jews or Gentiles. God did three things to make the Sabbath His special day: He rested on it, He blessed it and He sanctified it- setting it apart for a holy use. Finally He told us to remember it rather than to argue about it!
---Pierr5358 on 6/19/09


Go back to the beginning and find out what the definition of the word "Sabbath" was when it was used for the very first time?
---AG on 5/12/08


Love was the basis of the law from the beginning.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Lev 19:18 .... but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
---Samuel on 5/12/08


jody - where does scripture say that?
---dan on 5/12/08


Actually the Sabbath rest is a spiritual rest discussed by Jesus and accomplished through Him. The scriptures teach that debating these things is vain and points out that they are "a shadow of things to come". Our focus should be upon our relationship with Jesus, "putting on love" as well as bearing fruit in general and sharing the word with mankind. We are here to serve.
---jody on 5/9/08




This handy new gadget containing Love, was now a compact version of the heavy books of the Law. It was simplified but perhaps for some people a lot more difficult. There were those who preferred to keep to the letter of the Law and use it to do the minimum possible to get into Heaven.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


God does not break his Word. His Sabbaths are an eternal sign between Him and man. A sign meaning that when it was abolished by men, those men were against God.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


When you get a new television or microwave, you get a better one, a more modernized one, with more features on than the old model. It was like that with the Law.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


If Jesus abolished the old laws, it was not to do away with them completely but to renew and update them so that now the laws were EVEN STRICTER because LOVE was introduced. Love sometimes over-rides other laws. So only in a Jesus Christ sense, is the law abolished. For us followers of Jesus Christ we have to keep the laws and add to them Love. But if there is a clash, than Love trumps all laws.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


Yes JESUS fulfilled the Law. He made it complete. The sacrifices of animals could not truly bring in righteouness. But there still remains a Sabbatismos to the people of GOD. Hebrews 4
---Samuel on 5/9/08




Dan, the answer to your question can be found in Hebrews Ch.7:12. When Jesus made His sacrifice for us, He became our High Priest, and since He was not of the tribe of Levi, but Judah, the Law also had to be changed. We all are guilty of breaking the old law, but, Jesus Christ fulfilled the law completely, claiming the rewards thereby.
---tommy3007 on 5/8/08


It was not what changed, it was what remained the same. People still worshipped idols, neglected justice, sacrificed their children to idols, used traditions that God hated. So God sent the prophets. But people still refused to listen and put the prophets in dungeons and pits. In the end God decided to send His Only Son. The New Covenant does not replace the Old One, but demands we follow the Old Ten Commandments and also Two Great Commandments, Love God and Love Your Neighbour as Yourself.
---frances008 on 5/8/08


I'll say it again,
Do you "Really" want to know what day IS the Sabbath?
Look at a Jewish calendar, It hasn't changed in over 5000 yrs....
Gods Holy Days & History are Marked by their calendar, NOT the Gregorian one that WE go by today.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


We have moved on to the "Holidays" of Men & HAVE left "The Holydays" of our God...
This IS why the Bride Slumbers and hasn't readied Herself.
Have you ever SEEN a Bride, right before the Wedding?
Running around like chicken W/their head chopped off.
The Bride needs to take Breath & Prepare herself for her Groom.
Do you think he's happy SEEING his Bride in such a disarray as it IS right now?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


We rest in JESUS every day from trying to save ourselves. But GOD in His infinite wisdom gave us a day to spend with Him. A day to remeber that He is our creator. A day that according to Hebrews is a little taste of heaven now.

Many reduce a day of worship to a couple of hours on a sunday morning.

I love the Sabbath for I spend the day with JESUS in a special way. Not having to work no secular music or TV. Spending time with family and friends. In prayer and worship.
---Samuel on 5/8/08


What day does the Bible say that Jesus' disciples kept after the cross?

Luk 23:54-56 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also,which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Apparently, it is the day between Good Friday and Easter Sunday!
---jerry6593 on 5/8/08


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Why was a new covenant needed? Who broke the old one? It was stated to be an everlasting covenant, so it had no built in ending, so what made it obsolete? Surely God does not make things that wear out, even humans. So what changed?
---dan on 5/8/08


sabbath as i undertstand is the present saturday, when God had created the universe and all within it in six days and considered the 7th day as the sabbath day. Sabbathday is for the old testament believers
---joni on 5/8/08


The questions provides the answer. We cannot take a day for Sabbath. God gave us a day for Sabbath. You guys call it Satarday, or Saturns Day.
---dan on 5/7/08


Before the Cross it was Saturday,but we must rightly divide the word of God.After the Cross HE became our Sabbath AMEN!!! He is our Sabbath EVERY DAY
---Gabby8758 on 5/7/08


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yochanon - *Those lawless anti-Hebrew commentaries you read are programing you not to understand. naughty, naughty.

lawless anti-Hebrew commentaries? I use the ones written by the teachers the Lord has given His church and that is why I am not a Sabbaterians as that would have me go against the truth.

Your mentors simply are not knowledgeable either of the Bible or its Author.
---Lee1538 on 5/7/08


Let's go back to the beginning.
What was the definition when the word "Sabbath" was used for the very first time?
---AG on 3/7/08


Hey everyone, just stopped by for shoresh. Oh lee is still giving SDA a hard time. Lee, let them enjoy Shabbot in peace.

Now U know Shabbot has nothing to do with slavery. You're taking things out of context as most proof texters do.

Shabbot is is wonderful gift like a wedding ring to guard (keep). You've just hardened your heart. that's a no no.

Those lawless anti-Hebrew commentaries you read are programing you not to understand. naughty, naughty.
---yochanon on 3/4/08


Lee - "Where does the Scripture indicate that (Sabbath is a God-given institution)?"

"Remember the Sabbath, keep it holy."

The Father is not vague.
When He gave his instructions to Moses on Mt Sinai Moses knew precisely what would be pleasing to the Father. That included when & how to observe Sabbath.
---AG on 3/3/08


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oh my ....Christians following Gods Laws honoring God the 7th Day (that He made Holy Forever) are Sabbatarians?

True Christians keeping Gods Sabbath are Judiazers per established church ....and now Sabbatarians?? Geesh what next?? ...how many other labels are there?

That's too funny - hadn't heard that ...so does that make those who reject Gods laws the:

Pagan Sun Keeperarians
Sundayarians
SunGodarians

which flows better?
---Rhonda on 3/3/08


AG - *I was taught in SS that the OT was made obsolete because Jesus came.*

And they told you that because they knew what the book of Hebrews had to say on that subject.

Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

And they also knew that Jesus was the guarantor of a new & better covenant. Heb.7:22

Read the Bible,it will tell you how you have been misled.
---Lee on 3/3/08


Thanks jerry6593,
I guess some "rail" against the OT for the same reasons I did. I was taught in SS that the OT was made obsolete because Jesus came. Then I spent a few decades reinforcing my bias. Never questioning the accuracy of the Godly people who influenced me.

Later I "accidentally" studied the meaning of each character in the Hebrew alphabet. As I did a paradigm shift began and my eyes were opened to scriptural riches & truths I had never seen before.
---AG on 3/3/08


so God never commanded anybody to keep the sabbath untill He commanded Israel to keep it. Well God never said I AM the Lord your GOD you shall have no other gods before me, nor honour your father and mother,nor thou shall not kill or steal, till HE commanded Israel.
---mike on 3/1/08


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The Sabbath is a good God-given institution just like marriage.
---AG on 2/29/08

Where does the Scripture indicate that?

In any case, like marriage, there is NO COMMAND to the church to observe any day of the week.

That is something Sabbaterians simply refuse to admit.
---Lee on 3/1/08


AG: Good to see you back again! Why do some rail so against the Old Testament? Jesus believed it, taught it, lived by it and even claimed that it was all about Him. You would think that people who call themselves "Christian" would at least attempt to follow the example and teaching of Christ! But no, they reject His clear example and adhere to a twisted interpretation of the writings of people who came along after Jesus.
---jerry6593 on 3/1/08


Some use Heb 8:7 to say God is fallible.
But we know from 2Sam 22:31-33 God is blameless and what He does is perfect. Therefore all his covenants, laws and tenets are good and perfect.
Man is however fallible and his covenants are imperfect.

The Sabbath is a good God-given institution just like marriage.
---AG on 2/29/08


Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

Some in holding on to doctrines created from the OT alone, believe that the New Covenant is not really a new one but simply a rehash of the old one. And that is where Sabbaterians fail in their understanding as they still hold to the obsolete Sabbath, Levitical dietary laws, & other tenets not in the NT.
---Lee on 2/28/08


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You people that want to use Paul's or the unknown writer of Hebrews are in serious trouble! Jesus made it clear that only HIS Word will save anyone--not the words of Paul. There ARE 2 gospels in the New Testament- it is our job to find which one is fact and which one is fiction!
---Dr._Rich on 2/27/08


yochanon * Notice how many people will just state a scripture in superficial mindset, because they have heard the meaning taught and raised to beleive this how you think*

Very true like those that tell you to 'remember the Sabbath' totally ignoring the fact that it pertains to those that were slaves in Egypt as the previous part of the verse indicates.Dt 5:15

Adventists need to realize that the church is under the New Covenant and not the Old Sinaitic covenant.
---Lee on 2/27/08


Imitate Christ. Celebrate Sabbath as He did.
---AG on 2/27/08


Pop- is correct. Notice how many people will just state a scripture in superficial mindset, because they have heard the meaning taught and raised to beleive this how you think. They will also try to mezmorize you to not check the the whole context for yourself. Leaving out one or two words to support their own made up view of lawless grace.

They are supporting a western Oral tradition like the Sannhedrin made up their own.- I am not SDA, but support the SABBATH.
---yochanon on 2/26/08


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Heb8:7 if first covenant was faultless, no need for another..absolutely as it is, it was only required to prepare the people for the coming Christ..8:13 speaking of NC, He made old obselte:absolutely..cos He bcame the Sacrificial Lamb of God that takes away our sins..no need to kill animals anymore..we now go to the Father thru Christ. not thru animals ..THAT IS WHAT THIS TEXTS IS SAYING..you are misquoting scripture..
---pop on 2/19/08


Jew-D - *It is speaking of being free from the Oral Laws/traditions that was imposed by the sages upon people about how they should keep the torah/law.*

The context of Galatians 4 does not support that view at all.

It very plainly states that the law was our schoolmaster (guardian) to lead us to Christ that we may be justified by faith. Once that has occurred the law has served its purpose.


---Lee on 2/17/08


*It is the height of hubris to think that God in His wisdom would instigate the Covenant with His people (His Kingdom,either Israel, and later the Church) and then do away with that same covenant later*

What does the Word say?

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
.
8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
---Lee on 2/16/08


*pam - what does it mean 'to redeem' and what law is it speaking of here? Lee 2/15*

It is speaking of being free from the Oral Laws/traditions that was imposed by the sages upon people about how they should keep the torah/law. This is the same law Jesus himself refers to in various scriptues in the gospels.
---Jew-D on 2/16/08


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According to the 10 Commandments the Sabbaths is the 7th day of the week. It is the height of hubris for us to think that God in His wisdom would instigate the Covenant (Deut.4:13) with His people (His Kingdom,either Israel, and later the Church) and then do away with that same covenant later. This Covenant is the marriage contract between God and his Kingdom. God does not change. There is no logical reason to think that He would change any of the requirements for His Kingdom to become His bride.
---Dennis on 2/16/08


God the Father sent Jesus, His Son, because people repeatedly broke the law that the Father gave them. God did not ask them to sacrifice their sons and daughters but he let the people do it as a punishment because he thought they would see the error of their ways, and their sin of idol worship. They didn't, so he sent Jesus as a fiinal chance. Anyone not taking note of the Father, when His Son was sent as a final warning, ought to be prepared for Judgement.
---frances on 2/16/08


*While you state Jesus came not to destroy the law, you ignore the rest of the verse that he came to fulfill the law & the prophets. Lee 2/15*

The law required an annual blood sacrifice> Jesus' sinless blood satisfied this request once and for all. Heb 10:10

The prophets also spoke of ONE MAN who was to come and redeem the house of Israel. Jesus also fulfilled this.
---Jew-D on 2/15/08


The word LAW is equivalated to the Hebrew word TORAH. There's a WRITTEN torah that was given by G-d to Moses at Mt Sinai. Since G-d wrote this torah, it's still valid today. There is also a ORAL torah that has been created by the sages, rabbi's & tradition. This ORAL torah was/is burdensome & is what Jesus refers to Mt 12, 15, Mk 2. The ORAL torah is also what Paul refers to in his writings. Remember the sciptures were written mostly by Hebrew people & must be read from a Hebrew perspective.
---Jew-D on 2/15/08


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Rhonda, you are right on again. The sabbath is to be a delight--SET APART from the other days. Share it with friends and family. Now you have time to get to KNOW (really know) who God is. As for me and my house, we LOVE the Sabbath and what a wonderful gift it is!
---Dr._Rich on 2/15/08


Ga 4:4,5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

pam - what does it mean 'to redeem' and what law is it speaking of here?

Note there is no qualfier on law so do not tell me the law here is the ceremonial law - the purpose of which was to facilitate worship.
---Lee on 2/15/08


Shabbot Shalom everyone. May YASHUA-Jesus give us rest and meditation on His Creation, Salvation, and Millenium Reign. Shavau Tov.
---yochanon on 2/15/08


Jesus born under the law and redeemed us from the law..He was born when people had to sacrifice animal for sins..God gave these laws to prepare Israel for Christs coming..then He came and bcame the Lamb of God that took away sin.Lee,stop misusing God's Word for your false arguement
---pamm on 2/15/08


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So if Jesus is the light, we are to follow the light, then we would do as Jesus did. He kept the law perfectly, through Him we also will keep the law perfectly?
---dan on 2/15/08


disagree all you can Lee, but the Word of God stays the same just as God never changes. His ten commands are a manual for righteous living for all followers, including you. 10Cs a transcript of HIS Holy Character we all need to conform to to be Christlike..I see you dont want to be Christ like so why do you bother studying bible.He wrote only ten laws, not 600+ as u so deceivingly teach online.Moses wrote the 600+not God..
---pam on 2/15/08


study: absolutely Lee..you need to study well. John 1:1,2 He is the Word..meaning the whole bible... including the ten laws.New Covenant which governs the church is Christ Himself or didnt you understand scripture well Lee. Old sacrificial system was made obselete cos Christ bcame the Lamb of God who died for us..or didnt you know Lee..
---pam on 2/15/08


people no longer observed Sabbath..yet did the Bible say that God has decided to change the Sabbath? during 2nd century, pope constantine decide to include heathens in the church bringing in their pagan practices and slowly changed the church instead. Does that mean God changed the Sabbath?Absolutely not. Man changed it.Give me a text which says so otherwise..you wont find any..
---pam on 2/15/08


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curse of the Law..this Law is the old Sacrificial Law written by Moses which requires animal sacrifices..when Christ came, it vanished for Christ bcame the Lamb that died for our sins. The ten laws,written by God Himself, were given as a guide for righteous living.We all have 2conform to it to be Christlike. Sacrificial Laws dont guide one into righteous living cos its gone and it was given to prepare Israel 4 the coming Christ.
---pam on 2/15/08


The Sabbath was established by God long before the Pharisees.

The Mosaic Laws ADDED burdonsome tasks to the Sabbath Day.

Jesus came to fulfill the law not to destroy it. As Creator and Lord of the Sabbath Jesus abolished the cumbersome laws ADDED to His Sabbath ...which were making His Sabbath a burdon NOT a delight

Jesus fulfilled the law ...restoring His Sabbath to a day of rest ...a day of delight (not to destroy the law)
---Rhonda on 2/14/08


I fail to see how not working and glorifying God ...all day only once per week(less than 15% of a year) is a burdon...
---Rhonda on 2/14/08


dan - *No Lee it is not a theory, its just history. Read it sometime.*

And whose version of [church] history would you recommend, those written by church historians who can support their contentions from historical sources & whose research can be verified? or that of Ellen White a non-biblical scholar who simply distorted what history she read to support her agenda?

Recommend Philip Schaff "History of the Christian church" as others view it as authoritative and verifiable.
---Lee on 2/14/08


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I see where Lee is coming from. I see Christians, who were never Jews, saying Jesus is the Messiah (?) If you really believed He was the Messiah, then you would believe God is unchanging and that the things that made him angry and expressed through all the major prophets, were that we were given over to sin, because we had neglected the first few commandments. Justice begins with respecting God. God did not change his mind about what always made him angry.
---frances on 2/14/08


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If the Sabbath Day is for rest and made for man ..and his Word tells us it is a delight (Isaiah 58:13) then where is the burdon?
---Rhonda on 2/14/08


*Since Jesus doesn't change [Hebr. 13:8], his commandments would not change or dissolve. Jesus did not come to destroy the law, remember?* [Mt. 5:17]

While you state Jesus came not to destroy the law, you ignore the rest of the verse that he came to fulfill the law & the prophets.

Some would believe all the 600+ OT laws are still in effect, that we should observe all the Jewish customs & tradition contrary to the decisions made at the Jerusalem council Acts 15. I can only disagree!
---Lee on 2/14/08


The view that Jesus is the law is without any proper exegetics of Scripture.

While it is true Jesus is the same always (Hebr. 13:8), you totally ignore the fact that Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant (Hebr. 9:15, 12:24) - the covenant which governs the church, not the old covenant given on Mt. Sinai declared obsolete (8:13)and regarded as the Hagar covenant (Gal.4:24f) that enslaves its followers.

Study it and think about it!
---Lee on 2/14/08


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*Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life".Jn. 14:6* Lee 2/14

So let's use scriture to define scripture. Jesus also said that He is the "light" of the world Jn9:5. Prov 6:23 says the "law is light". So simple 4th grade english would lead us to believe that Jesus is the law. Since Jesus is the law, would he ever contradict what He said before. Certainly not! Hebrews13:8 tells us that he is the same forever and Malachi 3:6 says that He changes not.
---Jew-D on 2/14/08


#2- Since Jesus doesn't change, the his commandments would not change or dissolve. Jesus did not come to destroy the law, remember?
---Jew-D on 2/14/08


Jew-D - *So if Jesus is the word, & the word is the truth, and the truth is the commandments, ....well then what should we do? *

Twist, twist & twist! Is there any other way the truth of something can be twisted & distorted?

Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life".Jn. 14:6

If you wish to see life, follow Jesus, not the OT commandments for you will never be justified by deeds of the law.Rm. 3:20
---Lee on 2/14/08


*John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ* Lee 2/13
You did such a great job confirming what I said. Thank you! John 17:17 tells us the truth refered to John 1:17 is the WORD (torah/commandments). And Jn 1:1 tells that Jesus is the Word...So if Jesus is the word, & the word is the truth, and the truth is the commandments, and the commandments tell us to keep the sabbath holy...well then what should we do? Follow G-d's truth or our own?
---Jew-D on 2/13/08


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No Lee it is not a theory, its just history. Read it sometime. Whenever people turn away from God it is from fear. And just because some people do, or the majority do does not make it law. The devil doesn't care whether you break the law or seek the law as salvation, just so you don't do it God's way.
---dan on 2/13/08


Acts 15: 20-21. What is read to them- "Gentile Christians" is the Mosiac Law-(not cancelled out) "ethics" of living Kosher in sex, food, and basic Torah lifestyle on the 'Sabbath' for Gentile Christians.
---yochanon on 2/12/08


Orthodox rabbinical Oral tradition- Halakhah-or Walk this Way is what Jesus confronted as the yoke and burden they are talking about-Matt 23 and Gospels. Not His Father's Torah. Jesus is the only "Way".

They created more laws upon top of the 613 and presently do which prevent the jews from receiving Christ today. Yes many churches too made same bad choices. Oral tradition commentaries and charasmatic visions over Bible. Stick to Jesus's Hebraic example and commands, we'll be fine.
---yochanon on 2/12/08


*First off, the 10 commandments was given to a mixed multitude at Mt Sinai-not just Israelis.(Ex 12:38).*

At most a very weak argument that the rest of the world was included with the giving of the Mosaic Covenant.

They were even identified as foreigners with the Hebrew people, the covenant was not to them but to the descendants of Abraham. Dt. 5:3

Those foreigners were essentially grafted into the Israeli tribes as proselytes much the same as an immigrant becomes an American.
---Lee on 2/12/08


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*I'm just going to assume that you don't think Jesus gave the Ten Commandments so here are the scripture references.*

While the law came thru Moses from God, God deals with His creation in terms of covenants - the church is not under the Old Mosaic covenant viewed as obsolete (Hebrews 8:13)

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
---Lee on 2/12/08


Lee-First off, the Ten commandments was given to a mixed multitude at Mt Sinai-not just Israelis.(Ex 12:38). Which means that Gentiles and Israelis alike were given the commandments. Secondly, Jesus gave the ten Comandments to Moses, would Jesus ever contradict himself declaring one day hold and then saying it wasn't. Thirdly, the ministry of the Spirit is to write law upon our hearts and convict us of sin. Paul wrote how would we know what sin was unless it was for the law (torah).
---Jew-D on 2/12/08


Lee-I'm just going to assume that you don't think Jesus gave the Ten Commandments so here are the scripture references. Moses described the L-rd in DT 33:1-3 as coming with 10K saints, he is the right hand, the saints sat at His feet, and He is the lawgiver. Compare that with the following NT descriptions of Jesus.
Jude 1:14 He is coming with 10,000 saints
Luke 10:39 Mary sat at his feet
Ps 44:3, Heb 12:2 Jesus is the right hand
Is 33:22,James 4:12 Jesus is the lawgiver
---Jew-D on 2/12/08


Acts 15:20-21 but should write to them (Gentile believers)to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.

Yoc - the fact is that 15:21 must reference 15:20 concerning the issue of blood - something orthodox Jews were very strict concerning. Suggest you read Barnes NT notes of this passage.
---Lee on 2/12/08


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De 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

In a sense Dr Rich is correct in that the covenant is the 10 commandments given only to the Israeli nation - the covenant which the New Testament declares to be that ministry of death or condemnation craved on stone that is passing away or obsolete and is being replaced by the more glorious ministry of the Spirit.(2 Cor. 3:7f)
---Lee on 2/12/08


Leon, The "Covenant" is a set of Ten Commands of God. God gave hundreds of commands to Israel that did not incude the covenant. This same covenant was comingled with the other commands until people (like you) don't understand the difference. Therefore the "Covenant" stands for itself which are none other then the Ten Commandments. Eating and healing is NOT the 'work' referenced in this covenant. IF you want God to be your God, then SHOW Him! John 14:15,21,23
---Dr._Rich on 2/12/08


Correction-2-11-08 meant to say our freedom in grace is not to play with sin. thanks
---yochanon on 2/12/08


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