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Church Requires 15% Tithe

Why does the Church of God require local churches to send 15% of their tithe to the headquarters?

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what part of "We do it exactly as the bible says" are you having difficulty with?---francis on 2/9/13

Again you avoid answering.

You contradict yourself when you say you "DON'T KNOW" as "it's above your pay grade", as well as saying "We do it exactly as the bible says".

Instead of avoiding my questions you could investigate what you "DON'T KNOW" about the SDA church's use of tithes.

Does the SDA church offer 10% of the tithe they receive, to the Lord (Num 18:26)? And how does the church do this?

Do SDA's lay aside their tithes in the third year which is the year of tithing (Deut 26:12)

Is any of the tithe used in a manner NOT described in scripture?
---Haz27 on 2/9/13


HAZ27, what part of "We do it exactly as the bible says" are you having difficulty with?

I suspect it is the " as the bible says" part that has become difficult for you to grasp. Since in your church you do not do exactly as the bible says, the concept may be strange to you

So let me say it slowly so you can grasp it

We do it exactly as the bible says
---francis on 2/9/13


"We do it exactly as the bible says"---francis on 2/9/13.

Why make such an EXACT claim when you also admit you DON'T KNOW as it's "above your pay grade"?

The following are still unanswered and more than likely the SDA church FAIL on.

Does the SDA church offer 10% of the tithe they receive, to the Lord (Num 18:26)? And how does the church do this?

Do SDA's lay aside their tithes in the third year which is the year of tithing (Deut 26:12)

Is any of the tithe used in a manner NOT described in scripture?
---Haz27 on 2/9/13


Haz: Do you really believe that looking for faults in others exempts you from your responsibilities to God, or gives you a free ride into heaven?

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


---jerry6593 on 2/9/13


francis, we do try to live by the 10 commandments but what I am saying is we aren't saved by the 10 commandments.
we aren't perfect if we try to live by them. we still live in a corrupt body. that makes you like everyone else. you think you can keep the 10 commandments but you can't keep them no matter how hard you try.
---shira4368 on 2/9/13




---Haz27 on 2/8/13
We do it exactly as the bible says

What is so hard to understand about that?
We have hospital, shelters, food banks, Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA) The depth of our assistance to the poor, fatherless, stranger with our tithe, and the number of people in our employment, I do not know. That is above my pay grade

How hard is that to understand?



well francis, we sure don't teach the 10 commandments save us.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13

O.K. so you know what you do not teach. Now tell me what exactly does the baptist church teach about the ten commandments
---francis on 2/9/13


Francis. It would seem then that your answer was actually your attempt to avoid directly answering my question. I'll repost my question for you to give a direct answer this time.

If the SDA church uses tithes as the Bible instructs do they do the following few examples?

Offer 10% of the tithe to the Lord (Num 18:26)? And how do SDA's do this?

Do SDA's lay aside their tithes in the third year which is the year of tithing (Deut 26:12)

How much of the tithe received by the church is laid aside for "the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow", Deut 26:12

Is any of the tithe used in a manner NOT described in scripture?
---Haz27 on 2/8/13


well francis, we sure don't teach the 10 commandments save us. that is for sure for sure. another thing the Mormon church is wealthy. wonder how they got all their wealth. brainwashing?? they own the truck stops of America just a little tid bit I threw in for free. you can bet I know Baptist from inside out and top to bottom.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13


---Haz27 on 2/8/13
You lack understanding. I said:

How many people actually recieve from the tithes: I do not know.
---francis on 2/7/13
meaning I do not know how many are on the SDA pay roll



francis, I know what fundamental baptist teach.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13

You only think that you do.
What do Baptist teach about the ten commandments?

About the diety fo Jesus and God in the flesh See my last post:
God the Eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. .Fundamental Beliefs, 4
---francis on 2/8/13


Francis. My point is that you initially proclaimed that the SDA church uses tithes as the Bible instructs.
And then when I questioned you with instructions about tithes from scripture you say you DON'T KNOW if the SDA church obeys them.

I've no doubt that if the SDA church was investigated on it's use of tithes that it would reveal that they do NOT comply with instructions from the Bible.

Since you preach that obedience is crucial for Christians and that disobedience shows that such are lost, the SDA church's likely disobedience in it's use of tithes only further highlights the doctrine of condemnation/death that it teaches. SDA doctrine even condemns the SDAs.
---Haz27 on 2/8/13




francis, I know what fundamental baptist teach. I have been in one for 65 years. I have heard preachers preach about pants (don't listen them anymore). I know the doctrine of fundamental baptist very well. I eat the meat and spit out the bones.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13


francis, do you believe Jesus in God in the flesh? Do you believe God sent His son to die for you and me and everyone else? do you believe Jesus is brother to satan before satan was kicked out of heaven? do you believe Jesus is deity?
---shira4368 on 2/8/13


Francis, your fundamental belief is Jesus isn't deity.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13

God the Eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. .Fundamental Beliefs, 4

You are wrong

Now shira4368 do yourself a favour, look at what the baptist church teaches about the ten commandments for yourself. If I posted it you woudl deny it
---francis on 2/8/13


francis, your fundamental belief is Jesus isn't deity. you believe you must "keep" the 10 commandments. you believe the better person you are the more you will have in heaven but the truth is you probably won't go because you deny the deity of Christ. you promote the king james bible but when someone gets embedded in your church, you throw the bible out and use trash to brainwash people.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13


---Haz27 on 2/7/13

How many people are on the pay roll and receive from the tithes? I do not know. SDA is a world wide church, having members in almost every country, we are not like these groups whose " church" is in one or two cities

We have schools, hospitals, evangilist, you name it

How many peole get paid from the tithes? i do not know. That information is above my pay grade
---francis on 2/7/13


No church uses the tithes the way the Torah says. The priesthood system was a civil and religious system which included health care and needs for the poor.
---Rod4Him on 2/7/13


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Francis. Have you noticed your contradiction?

At first you said regarding the SDA church's use of tithes:
"We use tithes as the Bible instructs"

BUT, then later you say:

"How many people actually recieve from the tithes: I do not know.
How many individuals are faithfull to God in thier tithes and offerings: I do not know" ---francis on 2/7/13

So it seems that really, your answer is you "DO NOT KNOW" if the SDA church use's the tithes as the Bible instructs (Num 18:26, Deut 26:12).

Does this mean the SDA church leadership and members will be told "No, No, No" for their salvation due to their disobedience?
---Haz27 on 2/7/13


Francis. You haven't answered my questions whether the SDA church use tithes in accordance with God's instructions.
---Haz27 on 2/7/13

We use tithes as the Bible instructs
Numbers 18:21 all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation
---francis on 2/4/13

How many people actually recieve from the tithes: I do not know.

How many individuals are faithfull to God in thier tithes and offerings: I do not know
---francis on 2/7/13


Francis. You haven't answered my questions whether the SDA church use tithes in accordance with God's instructions.

Does this mean the SDA church disobey God in regards to the use of tithes?
---Haz27 on 2/7/13


---Haz27 on 2/6/13
We are God's stewards, entrusted by Him with time and opportunities, abilities and possessions, and the blessings of the earth and its resources. We are responsible to Him for their proper use. We acknowledge God's ownership by faithful service to Him and our fellowmen, and by returning tithes and giving offerings for the proclamation of His gospel and the support and growth of His church. Stewardship is a privilege given to us by God for nurture in love and the victory over selfishness and covetousness. The steward rejoices in the blessings that come to others as a result of his faithfulness.Fundamental Beliefs, 21

you will have to read the whole chapter
---francis on 2/7/13


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"We use tithes as the Bible instructs"---francis on 2/4/13

If that's true can you answer the following few examples of instructions on use of tithes Thanks.
Do SDA's:

Offer 10% of the tithe to the Lord (Num 18:26)? And how do SDA's do this?

Do SDA's lay aside their tithes in the third year which is the year of tithing (Deut 26:12)

How much of the tithe is laid aside for "the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow", Deut 26:12

Is any of the tithe used in a manner NOT described in scripture?
---Haz27 on 2/6/13


francis just described a cult.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13

It is God himself who instituted the tithing system. Are yo suggesting God started a cult?

It is not those who are following the commandments and statutes of God that are cults, it is those who are not following God's commandments that are cults.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---francis on 2/6/13


well francis, you ask a question and I answered it.
---shira4368 on 2/6/13


--shira4368 on 2/5/13
well we were talking about tithing, then you started talking about something else.
---francis on 2/5/13


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no one gave me the idea about the trinity, I was just posting my heart. what context did I post that you need to know about? I think you have belittled my faith about all I want to hear. I am a new creature, washed in the blood of the Lamb. I am blood bought child of the King. I believe the whole bible and I mean the whole bible. not just some verses in the old testament. we are a new testament church.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


shira4368 on 2/5/13
in what context are you posting this?

What gave you the idea that i do not belive in the trinity or the power of God to forgive sins,a dn keep us from sinning?
---francis on 2/5/13


I just got to send francis a few verses that are absolutely perfect but his faith discredits these verses.
Hebrews 9:14...How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead WORKS to serve the living God...first John 5:8..there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. there are more but if you aren't convinced by now, you won't get it.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


francis just described a cult. I get these people at my door and they are fluent in "their" belief. I ask them if they know Jesus Christ as their savior and if they believe Christ died on a cross for our sin. they use to have a commercial that would give a kjv bible free if you would call them and give them your address. I did that once but when I got the bible, it has latter day saints on it so I junked it.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


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Francis. Does the SDA church do the following few examples with tithes:

Offer 10% of the tithe to the Lord (Num 18:26)? And how do SDA's do this?

Do SDA's lay aside their tithes in the third year which is the year of tithing (Deut 26:12)

How much of the tithe is laid aside for "the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow", Deut 26:12

Is any of the tithe used in a manner NOT described in scripture?
---Haz27 on 2/5/13


---Haz27 on 2/4/13
We use tithes as the Bible instructs
Numbers 18:21 all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation

Tithes is not something that SDA invented, it predates Moses: Genesis 14:20 he ABRAHAM gave him tithes of all.

It is robbery not to return your tithes and offerings:
Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.


We are stewards of God creation. We own nothing all is God's.
---francis on 2/4/13


Francis. You're really FIXED on being under the law.

So, how diligently are the SDA leadership applying the use of tithes as instructed in scripture? PERFECTLY I hope, or else it's (as you said) "No, No, No" regarding salvation.

And as we see so often today, churches are ridiculed for their reputation of being, as Rod4Him said, "businesses/franchises".

1Cor 9:12,18 described this as "ABUSE", and "HINDERS" the gospel of Christ.
BTW, this is similar to how the unsaved also view tithing in churches.

We can preach Christ "WITHOUT CHARGE", as 1Cor 9:18 speaks of.
Why demand financial gain through it?

So, exactly how do SDA's use thithes?

---Haz27 on 2/4/13


Haz27 on 2/4/13
finish the thing
1 Cor 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Cor 9:14 Even so hath THE LORD ORDAINED that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Where did the Lord ordain such us a thing?

Numbers 18:21 behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation

Just because Paul choose nto to take, does not mean that they did not have to give

You cannot force people, yet these people we giving others
---francis on 2/4/13


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Francis. You persist in misquoting scripture.

Consider 1Cor 9:11,12
"If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things?.....
Nevertheless WE have NOT used this right, but endure all things lest we HINDER the gospel of Christ."

And also 1Cor 9:18
"when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ WITHOUT CHARGE, that I may NOT ABUSE my authority in the gospel"

But, as you're under the law with it's tithing, why is it that those receiving tithes don't use it as instructed in scripture?
---Haz27 on 2/4/13


//Why does the Church of God require local churches to send 15% of their tithe to the headquarters?//

Because that is how businesses/franchises work.
---Rod4Him on 2/4/13


Instead we see:
1 Cor 9:14 "they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel".
Nothing about 10% tithe here.
---Haz27 on 2/4/13
MISSQUOTE to decieve?

1 Cor 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Cor 9:14 Even so hath THE LORD ORDAINED that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Where did the Lord ordain such us a thing?

Numbers 18:21 behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation

---francis on 2/4/13


"Mandatory tithing is not a practice for the church, the BoC.....When pastors use the law to motivate giving they are denying the sufficient power of Gods grace"--michael_e on 2/3/13

TRUE.

Those preaching tithing are either ignorant of the word and/or their under the law instead of grace.

Instead we see:
1 Cor 9:14 "they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel".
Nothing about 10% tithe here.

Most of today's tithe preaching churches rarely, if ever, preach the gospel. And the tithes are misused and not according to how the law says to.
---Haz27 on 2/4/13


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1 Cor 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Cor 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Where did the Lord ordain such us a thing?

Numbers 18:21 behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation

If anyone thinks that returning 1/10 of what God has blessed you with to God is bondage he is not of God

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
---francis on 2/3/13


Paul teaches we are not under law and are free from bondage (Gal 4:9)Plus, Jesus Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law:
Gal 4:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
a required system of tithing and offering is ignoring the redemption of Christ and placing the church back under a curse of the law.

Those living under liberty and grace cannot be placed under a curse (Gal 5:1). Mandatory tithing is not a practice for the church, the BoC. Those who teach tithing are ignorant of Pauls instructions or are mishandling the word of truth (Titus 1:11).
When pastors use the law to motivate giving they are denying the sufficient power of Gods grace (2 Cor 5:14-15, 9:8).
---michael_e on 2/3/13


Watch-out for cults!
---pat on 2/2/13


Tithing was not established for the Levi priest hood, Tithing predates Levi

Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all

Not a Levite in sight

Genesis 28:22 And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

no Levites present
---francis on 2/2/13


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mariam, you are exactly correct!!! Tithing was established under the Old Testament Law Service to provide for the Levitical Priesthood.

Now we are instructed:
2Cor9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly, and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Cor9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Deut25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.

1Cor9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
---trey on 2/2/13


There is no such thing as 15% tithe
Tithe is 1/10 of your increase, It is a biblical statement and is UNCHANGEABLE

Those who are not well educated with God's word, usually put tithe and offering into one catigory and all it all tithe

Tithes are seperate from offerings they are a 1/10 of your income, offerins are what we give based on our hearts and how we are bnlessed
---francis on 2/1/13


It looks like an internal organisation thing. The 15% is not from individual members to the local church.Definitely some central needs have been factored into it.Once the local churches have agreed to it, it is ok.
---Adetunji on 1/31/13


bike, have you seen the suits and shoes benny hinn wears? It doesn't surprise me that he ask 33%. God tells us in His word we should tithe 10%. ask yourself why don't benny hinn go to hospitals and heal if he is such a great healer. no, he is not going to do anything except sensationalize in front of thousands. He is disgusting and a fake.
---shira4368 on 1/30/13


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That's nothing! Benny Hinn taught that a true tithe from a scholarly standpoint was more like 33%. This I read in his book "The Biblical Road to Prosperity." But the old widow exceeds them all. She gave more than the others. She in giving two small cooper coins gave all she had to live on.
---bike on 1/30/13


In my extensive study on tithing i have found that tithing is not a mandate under the new testament covenant. If it was paul and the other early church apostles would have spoken about it but they dont.
---marian on 1/30/13


Alan....I really think it is to sensationalize these blogs. The more sensationalistic the question, the more posts. Have you noticed that? Ask a genuine Bible Study question and you will get far less answers than if you ask about a cult or marital infidelity.
---Susie on 12/11/07


I think 15% to the denominational headquarters is quite reasonable when you consider that the CofE required up to 80% of the income of some of their parishes.
---Joe on 12/9/07


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Susie ... Do you think that is carelesssness, or are they trying to polarise the responses of the bloggers?
---alan_of_UK on 12/7/07


Alan..Thanks for reminding me. I've got in the habit of almost ignoring the blog titles as it is getting to be that many of them are misleading.
---Susie on 12/6/07


Susie and RitaH ... go, lightly on those who misread the question. They were misled by the Heading given to it by the Mods.
---alan_of_UK on 12/5/07


Rita...You are so right. Some people must have misread this question. It isn't about the church wanting 15% tithes from their members. It's about the church sending 15% of their tithes to the headquarters. The Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee) is an organization which is financially accountable to their members. As with most denominations, they are closely watched by the IRS.
---Susie on 12/5/07


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Some of you do not seem to understand the difference between 'a tithe' and 'a percentage of "the" tithe'. The tithe goes from members to their individual church. A percentage of that tithe is then required for the running of the church headquarters. Most churches do this, there is nothing unusual about it at all. Rebecca, you sound like a pessimist. Do you feel that everyone is up to no good?
---RitaH on 12/5/07


"But I guarantee that they cannot tell you where every single penny goes to"
Rebecca ... I'm pleased to say ypur are wrong.
50% of our church offerings goes to "Headquarters" and most is used to pay pastors in poor districts which otherwise could not afford to have a pastor.
And account for both local church and headquarters are totally transparent.
---alan_of_UK on 12/5/07


The 'headquarters' of any establishment cannot operate without funds. This is no different with churches. All the churches that I know of operate a system similar the that posted by the questioner - with the exception of independent churches of course. Denominations usually require churches to send them an amount based on membership. Because I attend a church which shares a pastor with other churches each church is sending a different amount because each church has different sized congregations.
---RitaH on 12/5/07


This money helps fund 'headquarters', the pastor's salary and the upkeep of the church. This system means that when repairs are needed the individual congregation do not have the find the money. It is paid for out of what has been paid into the 'headquarters'. The balance of tithes and offerings is used to send to missionaries, Christian charities and pays the smaller bills and incidentals that arise.
---RitaH on 12/5/07


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Are there any other denominations that require 15%. It would seem to mean 10% is biblical. I know the Church of God has paid a $400,000.00 bonus to Jentzen Franklin to come back to the denomination and pastor a church of theirs in CA.
---Concerned on 12/4/07


I 'm not sure why,but if their not using it for the lords work they will pay for it on judgement day when they face the lord and he reminds them of their deeds and tells them depart from me ye workers of iniquity I never knew you.The bible tells us to give 10% of our wages.any other amount given to the lords work is up to us,no one should tell us what percent we should give other than the lord.
---judy on 12/4/07


Kai ... I think you have read the totally misleading title to this question ... which impleis a 25% tithe, which the questioner does not mention.
In my church, we send about one-thinrd of our income to "headquarters". It is used there to pay centrl expenses, but also the salaries of pastors in poor churhes which cannot afford to pay them.
---alan_of_UK on 12/4/07


Rebecca "But I guarantee that they cannot tell you where every single penny goes to"
Actually, you are wong there. My church and "headquarters" have absolutely open accounts.
---a on 12/4/07


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There are numerous Church of God denominations. They all have corporate headquarters that must be maintained. A faithful giver who is giving out of love and not obligations won't care where the money goes. They are giving to God.
---Susie on 12/4/07


I do not know. Be careful. If people would quit feeding these false preachers and teachers and prophets. they would go out of business.
---catherine on 12/4/07


Their greedy. Why else? Really though if you would go to the headquarters and asked them, they would give you some excuses as to why they need it. But I guarantee that they cannot tell you where every single penny goes to. And if they can't tell you that, something is wrong with the people in charge of the money.
---Rebecca_D on 12/4/07


I would think that they have some bills that need to be taken care of. My opinion is that large organizations are very wasteful and the majority of their funds are involved with self maintenance. If you want to know what they are doing with it maybe someone from that organization can tell you more.
---john on 12/4/07


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Concerned, if you really want to know (and not just stir up controvery), why don't you call up the local Church of God or its regional headquarters, and ask them yourself, instead of people who probably have no more idea than you?

And just WHY are YOU concerned?
---Jack on 12/4/07


You might ask this question of headquarters if you have the nerve! Otherwise, please consider expenses, Visa cards to eat and travel on, and of course you got the salaries of those at headquarters. How nosy of you to ask this question.
---Mina on 12/4/07


nothing but a scam designed to make the lazy pastors rich.
---kai on 12/4/07


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