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Is God Anti Intellectual

Is God anti-intellectual? I hear alot of Christians use the word "intellectual" like its a curse word. Like we should stay away from our intellect. Is there a place for the "intellectual" in the body of Christ?

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 ---j._nonymous on 12/7/07
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Many ultra-orthodox christians are anti-intellectual. Their extreme positions are always being questioned because neither biblical references nor the facts around them are very good at supporting some of their enthusiastic dogmas, so they must become anti-intellectual to survive.
---stephen on 2/4/08


YES! And God is intellectual. He Speaks to me in that respect more than any other way. I have grown accustomed to it. I depend on that. I tell you it is an awsome thing to be able to hear from God. And by the way, we need some people in Government who can hear from God. The life of this nation, my friends, depends on that. It's going down FAST.
---catherine on 1/17/08


GOD is Intelligent. He gifted man with intelligence. It's just that many of mankind don't use it intelligently.
---Gordon on 1/17/08


Wow God (Creator,infinate energy,abba etc)call him what you want, its just a word to me. Works in funny ways. In my opinion I believe he's the furthest from anti-intellectual. He's wants us to grow as humans and the only way we can do this is threw knowledge, its the only way we can better ourselfs. We learn through our mistakes in return thats intellectual growth. I made lots of mistakes allways learning and growing.
---Jim on 1/16/08


Recently i found God and Christ through growth. we need to look at both sides of the coin. and only through knowledge can we know whats wright. I no longer consider my my self a catholic though. And they say i'm going to hell. Only God can decide that, not religon. There to afraid to look outside the box and decide whats wright, so they hold on to something that might have been misinterpeted along time ago, leading us down the wrong path. I don't know if something got misinterpeted, only God knows.
---Jim on 1/16/08




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---D on 1/16/08


My experience is that each congregation has its own culture as to study and thinking. And I know for me, it can be difficult to attend a congregation that would rather parrot phrases, rather than think and truly understand the Gospel of Christ. I can't see God as being "anti-intellectual". I am no brainiac, but I can't name a single blessing that has come to this world through stupidity. Faith is not always knowledge, but it should be seeking the truth and base itself upon it.
---grant on 1/15/08


#-1-Here's an experience I had with a doctor.
With my doctor one day was a college girl (A observer, trainee or something). And while the doctor was wrapping my foot I witnessed to this young girl(19-21 are so). When I asked her, did she want to pray about her salvation. She said yes I do. I then led her in a sinner's prayer. The doctor of course heard the entire conversation, and immediately jumped up and said, I must call my church right now as I have never never seen anything like this.
---Mima on 12/27/07


#-2- whereupon the doctor picked up the telephone called his church and got them to promise they would have me speak. At which time he also gave them my phone number and all kinds of information. As we were leaving the doctor's office my wife asked me, what do you think? Don't worry, I said, they're not going to call me they already know what I do. Two weeks later we were back in the doctor's office he asked me had they called and made arrangements? No I said, and really I did not expect them to call.
---Mima on 12/27/07


#-3- Well, the doctor said indignantly, I'm on the pastor's committee, and I'm going to call them again right now, and he did so! Of course they told them they would call, but they never did. This doctor has been saved for many years. He saw something he had never seen before and his church would not even listened to him nor consider a message different from theirs. This doctor knows the Bible very well and knew we had followed the Bible in the prayer.
---Mima on 12/27/07




StrongAxe: "The problem with "worldly intellectuals" isn't that they're intellectuals. The problem is that they're worldly".

Well said. This would also mean UN-intellectual people can be just as bad. The question should always be "How can I honor God with what I have?"

This way, we're not excluding anyone, and we all can contribute to the Kingdom.

Again, great point.
---j._nonymous on 12/17/07


exzucuh:

Right. The problem with "worldly intellectuals" isn't that they're intellectuals. The problem is that they're worldly. People who think they understand everything, and end up worshipping their own minds, rejecting anything that doesn't comfortably fit into their own self-created world-view.

Honest intellectuals, on the other hand, try to shape thier understanding around the realities around them (and are quite happy to change their opinions when they are proven wrong).
---StrongAxe on 12/17/07


#4
A worldly intellect devours faith and makes excuses why Gods word will not work, replaces it with doctrines of devils that kill those who put their faith in it, they explain away salvation and the way of it, belittling the importance of the commandments of Christ. Turning many from Faith in the Gospel to another Gospel a worldly intellect.
---exzucuh on 12/14/07


#1

When I say worldly intellect, I took it for granite that you know what that is. I see you don't.
All that we do we do as unto the Lord and we do not compromise with the world or the spirit of the world. Your thinking your ideas your ways are produced from your mind or heart and that fruit is your witness.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
---exzucuh on 12/14/07


The earth is the Lord and everything in it... just look 4 it ok in Psalms. If you will agree with me: Science itself proves that the said stories in the Bible is all true and thus support to the authenticity of the WORD of God, which been written by inspired human person like us by God Himself. They say that scientist are like gods but they are wrong to say they know all things. God only shows them what they should discover and gives them capacity to understand it.
---merla7887 on 12/14/07


#2
It is necessary for us to have knowledge but it is always complimenting the mind of Christ and exalting God. Joseph was chosen for having wisdom that could only come from a man that had the Spirit of the Holy God, His technology saved Egypt and Israel. But God received all the glory. If your intellect does not give Glory to God or compromises his word, he will draw back from you, as he did Esau,and your intellect will be suicide to you as it was Judas who sold Jesus for his ideas.
---exzucuh on 12/14/07


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#3
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of (godliness:)
I will have you notice that this scripture does not say Godhead and is not about the Godhead, but has to do with the believer being like God.
eusebeia eusebeia yoo-seb'-i-ah
from 2152, piety, specially, the gospel scheme:--godliness, holiness.
The rest of this scripture is in the next chapter for it was not written originally in chapters.
---exzucuh on 12/14/07


#3
The next chapter or next thought is 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
meaning that the mystery of us being holy in God is revealed and that some would depart from that intellect and follow the world and it's way of thinking.
---exzucuh on 12/14/07


What Christian is guilty of blasphemy? God speaks through His people, their intellect.
---catherine on 12/14/07


Matthew 6:22-23 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mark 4:23-24 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
---exzucuh on 12/13/07


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Michelle: MikeM, Alan of UK and Jack are all three different people. I happen to agree many times with them on a lot of political issues. Does that mean you are going to accuse me of being them as well?
---Trish9863 on 12/13/07


I am not Jack or Alan. They have their beliefs, I have mine. Through I may disagree with their theology, I do NOT demonize those I disagree with. They seem to have a mature respect for something called 'freedom of conscience,'-and are not the least medievel, that is either/or in their docternal disposition. If I was insecure or threatened by theirs,-or anyones different beliefs I would become dogmatic and name call others I disagree with.
---MikeM on 12/13/07


Then there are those that worship at the altar of their minds.
---lovable_linda on 12/13/07


I note this is a mixed bag. Some here, like myself see the human mind as a gift from God, like our hands, we can use them to heal, or to kill, the mind can create evil, or or do good, its that simple. I say all reasoned knowledge without God is vain, but not 'bad' in of itself.

Others here see the mind as evil, the 'Thou shalt not think" types. They reduce themselves to mere fodder.
---MikeM on 12/13/07


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Good question, skeptics claim this and accuse Believers of being Anti intellectual, actually God says in Isaiah "Come and let us Reason together" and it is people who have rejected knowledge Read Romans 1:18-32, "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" Proverbs.
---Jim on 12/13/07


Proverbs 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

There is a right way to use knowledge and it is by the Holy Spirit.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
---exzucuh on 12/12/07


There is a difference in carnal knowledge of this world which is good for a career and the knowledge of God revealed by the Spirit. The knowledge of God brought forth by the Spirit which reveals the glory of God in Christ won't speak of this world.
It will declare who he is and what he fulfilled in deeper spiritual insight not obtained by a carnal mind, eyes and ears.
God has always used the Spirit to reveal the glory of Jesus even from the beginning.
Frank
---Frank on 12/12/07


exzucuh: the Bible also says a man who rejects knowledge is a fool.
---j._nonymous on 12/12/07


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God created and equipped us with every tool in order to survive and flourish in life. That includes intellect. Intellect is,Power of knowing,rational-ability to reason,understanding,given to study,reflection,speculation,and ability for creative thinking. What could be wrong with any of that since all of it is used in learning about God and staying true to God. Perhaps those who speak against intellect don't have enough to understand it or it's purpose. God gave intellect,he doesn't make mistakes.
---Darlene_1 on 12/12/07


Two things have caused man to be separated from God , Eating and Knowledge. Mans lust for knowledge hoping that it would give him god status was his downfall,like Satan leaving his first estate, man left his to become like God. He was not satisfied with his present state, for he was already the image of God. Man not believing God's word hearkened unto the word of the dragon and his false Prophet Eve (Jezebel) to do what he thought and reasoned in his own mind to eat of the knowledge of death.
---exzucuh on 12/12/07


Michelle ...# 1 Wow you do make accusations ... don't you?
You will find my PP profile as Alan8566
I have made it clear on many posts that I am Anglican, Church of England. You will see that I have challenged many RCC ideas, which are similar to Orthodox in many ways.
Jack is Orthodox, and MikeM has made no secret that he is studying with the Mormons
---alan_of_UK on 12/11/07


Michelle ... 2 .We are hardly likely to be the same person.
But perhaps you get confused when there are three people (there are of course a few others as well) although they hold different detail belief, refuse to condemn those with whom they disagree?
---alan_of_UK on 12/11/07


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Michelle:

I happen to know Jack personally, and while we agree on many things, we lock horns on others. His writing style is quite distinctive.

I have generally found alan_of_UK's comments to be reasoned and sensible, but his style is different.

While I haven't been paying special notice to MikeM's posts, his writing style seems different again.
---StrongAxe on 12/11/07


Sometimes people acquire fear of knowledge, because Jesus said we are responsible for what we know, so a person thinks that if I know nothing then I will not be liable to judgment. But the Word reads, "My people perish for lack of knowledge". When the enemy tempts you, if you are unlearned you may succumb to his lie and perish. The devil is a master at disguising sin to appear like truth, and after the unlearned is bated he is destroyed. So wisdom, understanding, and knowledge is essential.
---Eloy on 12/9/07


Be as intellectual as you like as long as it is not contrary to the mind of Christ. As far as worldly intellect is concerned we are to separate ourselves from it, it is commanded that we have the mind of Christ not Antichrist.
---exzucuh on 12/8/07


OH-oh, for me, if it's bad to be intellectual (o: God "gives us richly all things to enjoy." (in 1 Timothy 6:17) You can enjoy your intelligence. I just wouldn't expect to get any status for it > "the foolishness of God is wiser than men" (in 1 Corinthians 1:25). "And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know." (1 Corinthians 8:2)
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/7/07


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It depends on who is operating your mental computer.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/7/07


lovable linda: "You need to get rid of the chip on your shoulder and quit entertaining thoughts that you're so especially intellectual that you're above the Christians".

Who are you talking to? You sound offended by my question. Why?
---j._nonymous on 12/7/07


True intelligence, that adheres to the principles and promises of the Father with complete confidence -His faith- is His gift. It is he who empowers us with the ability to think, to make logical decisions based on mental deduction and sound reasoning. However that intelligence become deceptive when it is based only on that which is sensually perceived, thus dictated to by those perceptions. We are to lay aside every thought that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. We walk by faith, not by sight.
---Josef on 12/7/07


There is nothing wrong with an education to make a living but it is the Spirit of God that reveals the things of God.
The educated scribes and pharisses didn't know Christ was born.
It was revealed to shepherds and wise men.
But the word shows wise men according to God are not educated men in this world.
Wise men and shepherds do not come out of seminary.
Many posts here verify that.
A lot of carnal knowledge but little Spirit.
Frank
---Frank on 12/7/07


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Hi, I have a friend named Mark S who is one of the most intelligent and analytical minds I have ever known--AND he is a loving source of godly encouragement to everyone. He uses both his God-given mind and God's Spirit to minister to many people daily. :)
---Mary on 12/7/07


May I ask you, MikeM., why do you need to be Jack, and alan of UK, also?
---Michelle on 12/7/07


Could you imagine the present day world being released to Adam & Eve & their ancestors????God releases the information for man's good at the appropriate time place He is the creator & knows what is best for His creations."There is a place & time for everything and Everything in its place.
---Emcee on 12/7/07


Of course there is a place for intellectuals in the body of Christ! It's been used in Christian circles to mean atheists who allow intellect to blind them from the truth, thus causing a negative connotation of the word. But certainly God gave us brains, and it's good to use them to the best of our ability. Why waste a good thing? Personally, I would welcome back any brain cells I've lost along the way. The important thing is to not allow pride to enter in and lean on our own understanding.
---kady on 12/7/07


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It's not the "intellectual" that denies the authentic gospel of Jesus Christ, lifting up their own intellectual skills over God with a great deal of pride - it is the rebellious.
God resists the proud and rebellious.
You need to get rid of the chip on your shoulder and quit entertaining thoughts that you're so especially intellectual that you're above the Christians. Are you fit for the Kingdom of God, that's the important thing.
---lovable_linda on 12/7/07


Michelle, I do not see how 'lovers of the world' are the same as those who dare use their mind. The worldly-God loves the sinner but hates the sin, so does God love the intellectual but hate the intelligence? I dont see what Prov 25:26 has to do with the subject?



"Jesus died to take away our sins, not our brains" I like that! Thats one for the Quakers!
---MikeM on 12/7/07


Jesus commanded us to love God with all of our faculties, INCLUDING our minds.

To NOT use our minds to the best of our ability in matters of faith is therefore sinful.
---Jack on 12/7/07


We are not to be lovers of this world and that includes lovers of the intellect over the authority of God and His Word.

Like a muddied fountain and a polluted spring is a righteous man who yields, falls down, and compromises his integrity before the wicked. Prov 25:26
---Michelle on 12/7/07


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Years ago, for a while, I attended a Friends (Quaker) church. In their lobby was a huge mural saying "Jesus died to take away our sins, not our brains".
---StrongAxe on 12/7/07


In His wisdom the Lord did not endow us with the ability to think/reason and then ask us to forgo its use. Most universities in the US are named, founded by religions, (through now they are secular.) To their credit calvinist found ivy-league colleges, and Catholics and Baptist who founded so many others. Nearby me is the main medical university founded by the SDA religion.

As I see it its 'only' the far-right-wing-fundamentalist who are rabidly anti-intellictual, anti-education, anti-thought.
---MikeM on 12/7/07


God is not anti-intellectual. Intellect is a gift from Him. Indeed, it is an attribute of God. It's only when this gift yields to the wisdom of the world and becomes foolishness, does it become "anathema."
---Mike_W on 12/7/07


More educated people are liberal than conservative. I hear this statement made all the time and I believe the statement to be true. Of course, we have more uneducated people in the world than we have educated. But percentage wise Ph.D.'s and other highly educated people are as open to the Gospel as the uneducated. In fact just the other day, another doctor gave me permission to witness in his waiting room.
---Mima on 12/7/07


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