Good clarification by someone below- brain death vs persistent vegetative state. Brain death means the brain stem is no longer functioning, the person cannot control breathing/heart beating through their own brain function, only artificial respirators maintain their breathing and oftentimes the person requires IV medications to maintain bloodpressure and heart rate. Brain death is irreversible and diagnosed through black and white testing that examines whether a person can perform brain stem functions on their own.
---sunshine8623 on 3/18/09|
was your mother using science to help keep her alive?
I assume yes.
witout that science- breathing tubes- feeding tubes-machines- meds-etc... a brain dead person can not survive..unless a miracle is taking place!
And we all know miracles do happen!
---paul on 10/11/08|
"My mom was classed as "brain dead", but was still breathing and moving for 13 hours. How can this be?"
Anatomically the body cannot function without the electronic stimuli of the brain. Bodily functions, such as breathing and circulation, are regulated subconsciously. Therefore life, as the state of being alive, is sustained without conscious efforts. Perhaps the machines used to monitor brain activity, can only monitor the consciously projected thoughts of an individual, dreaming for example. The movement was most likely spastic.
"Did she know I was there?" Only our Father knows for sure, perhaps she did, on some subconscious level. Her life did not end until she took her last breath.
---Josef on 10/1/08|
the body can be kept alive with modern science. That is a fact. It happens when machines pump your heart and blood for you. Therefore your body will not decay or decompose.
But there is more to being alive then the body.
We know the brain is dead when the brain waves stop and oxygen is not getting the brain. the brain shrinks and will never be functioning again.
So Science is trying to play God by eventually trying to get the brain dead person to come back to non brain dead existence.
That is evil.
They are trying to stop the natural effects of death and interfere with what will happen to everyone one day. Complete Death.
---paul on 9/28/08|
The Bible says that the dead are unconscious.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing
---jerry6593 on 9/28/08|
I am after answers really! My mom was classed as "brain dead", but was still breathing and moving for 13 hours. How can this be? Did she know I was there? Or were the Doctors trying to protect me?
---Joanna on 9/25/08|
"Limbo" is an Island dance, NOT a PLACE!
---NV_Barbara on 12/29/07|
Jackis right about brain dead vs vegetative state...if truly brian dead, the brain cannotfunction even to regulate breathing, heart beat etc, death often occurs in minutes, as was the case for my mother when take off life support.
---Christina on 12/11/07|
I will point out what I've said before, and it got censored, but it's quite germane to this blog.
People confuse the terms "persistent vegetative state" for "brain dead." They are NOT synonyms. When true brain death occurs, bodily death follows in a matter of hours.
---Jack on 12/10/07|
No such thing as limbo.
You're either dead or alive.
You are not dead until your heart stops beating. That's a "no brainer".
But even when we do die, we are not dead dead, soul sleeping.
Our spirits are eternally alive, forever.
Where you spend eternity will be in heaven or hell.
---lovable_linda on 12/10/07|
That is a really deep question. If they are still breathing and alive I don't see how they could go to heaven or hell yet. If this truly interests you I would ask your pastor. I am thinking they would still be here on earth with the rest of us. So it might be kinda like a limbo.
---mary on 12/10/07|
1. I personally believe that when a person is brain dead they will have no consciousness but I still believe that they are 'alive' because blood is still circulating their body, their heart is still beating and they are being nourished in some way. Remember brain dead and coma are not the same thing. People have come out of comas after decades and their loved ones and doctors have been shocked at just how conscious they had been all along.
---RitaH on 12/8/07|
2. I don't believe in limbo at all but I do not believe that they are in either Heaven or hell during that time. I don't really know how to give you a satisfactory answer except to say that until death occurs (when someone eventually has to make the decision about turning off the machinery) or until they just die naturally, they are still here - alive on earth.
---RitaH on 12/8/07|
John 1: 9 says, "That was the true Light which lights every man coming into the world." I understand that natural light can seem to wake us up, but it is God's light which lights and wakens our consciousness from sleep or coma. I'd say someone brain dead is still present, but the consciousness is unawakened by God's light..
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/7/07|
Judy when a person is on life support and the machine is keeping them alive they are alive. I was kept alive that way.
When the brain ceases to function, and they are brain dead as in really dead, then they are completely dead. A person who is really brain dead will never come alive again. Machines do everything for the body. Their soul is in its rightful place according to what they did with Christ while alive.
---Elder on 12/7/07|
Judy, the bible also says that no man has ascended up into heaven except Jesus. So to say that a person is in heaven after they die, isn't so, according to the bible. But a person who is on machines to keep them alive, they are not alive, but dead. I don't want to be on machines to help keep me alive. Pull the plug.
---Rebecca_D on 12/7/07|
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First of all you are misquoting the Bible as you are just taking some words out of a verse from a section of text that is not about that subject.
One of the criteria of modern medicine that did not exist at the time of Christ is being evaluated brain dead. At that point it is an option of a living will or next of kin to continue life support or not. If they die they await the resurrection of the dead.
---notlaw99 on 12/7/07|
Not unless your brain is in a jar, Steve Martin, The Man With Two Brains.
Since when do we remove brains from the body?
We are a unit - body, soul and spirit.
---lovable_linda on 12/7/07|