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Nachos For Communion

Just yesterday, I heard a preacher on the radio say that this church served nachos and diet soda for communion. I was shocked. This is blasphemous. Agree?

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1 Corinthians 11:27-29. What does this say to you? Also, do you believe God makes exceptions in how we should serve Him because we are doing it from our heart? What does Genesis 4:2-12 say to you? And how about exodus 12:1-14? 1. Did God say that anything will do? Was blood necessary?2. Jesus is the passover lamb. Where does Nachos and soda fit in?
---Kella3336 on 12/24/07


Jack: I'm not God. Neither are you. That says it all. While your pointing out error in others, take care to know that at times you may be too. As I said before, as for me, I'd like unleavened bread (which represents a sinless Christ) and wine (which represents the blood) for communion.
And, again, just because you have the Holy Ghost does NOT mean you're always right. We still have a finite mind to contend with. The answer? Do your best, and be open to the idea that you may be wrong.
---j._nonymous on 12/20/07


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You should be,because you are right.
THERE ARE NO RITUALS,STATUES,GRAVEN
images,pictures of worship,idols or material
communion and such like in the Christian Faith.**

Yes, there are graven images in pop-evangelical churches--cloth ones. Before I got saved we used to say prayers to them.
---Jack on 12/20/07


**The problem with people like you is they always deny the human element and man's ability to make mistakes.**

Please tell me where I've denied the human element and error. In fact, I've frequently pointed out error on these blogs.
---Jack on 12/20/07


#3 The natives got sick and almost died. So, that would be a bad example to say that Jesus was the Bread of Life. However, their staple food was made from the sabal palm, so they changed the scripture to read, "Jesus is the Sabal of Life." Then the people who lived on Sabal understood that Jesus was the giver of Life. Perhaps when they observed communion that had baked sabal in banana leaves with some fermented fruit juice.
---Gena on 12/20/07




Jack:

Even though the Holy Spirit is one of unity, the spirit does NOT possess us - we still retain our free wills, and egos, etc. Even Peter and Paul argued.

Also, there are probably many things we think about whose importance is beneath the Holy Spirit's notice (Should I have cheerios for breakfast? or toast? while God is aware of my choices, I'm sure this matter is of so little importance that he doesn't much care one way or the other).
---StrongAxe on 12/20/07


By using such it is no longer traditional communion but is now potluck fellowship!
---dan on 12/20/07


We do NOT know that the original Lord's supper was using unleavened WHEAT bread. It could have been barley or it could have been bread with the ingredients listed in Ezekial 4:9 - wheat and barley, and beans, and lentils, and fitches and make thee bread there of . . .

I agree with Alan, what about the countries that do not have bread, they have rice?
---Gena on 12/20/07


#2 Also years ago we had a missionary from New Guinea at our church. They lived among a tribe that did not have the bible or a written language, so they learned the language, developed an alphabet and then wrote the bible in the native language. He explained that Jesus as the Bread of Life had to be changed, because someone sent them white bread from the states and they shared with the natives.
---Gena on 12/20/07


Mima:: You do have an uncanny way of wiggling out of a mess at the expence,of Your Fellow man.To believe in the presesence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist is a blesing, But to Partake in reverence.plus Believing, is being in union with This Almighty God as He Lives in You.Mima Coke is a joke & it is irreverent & mocking.But you already know that yet feel no remorse.
---Emcee on 12/19/07




Communion came from the last supper in which Jesus broke the bread and poured the wine. I assume that if Jesus wanted Nachos to be used then he would have created them for that moment. No, Jesus used bread and wine so that will be good enough reason for me to use them as well.
---PHILOSOPHER on 12/19/07


You should be,because you are right.
THERE ARE NO RITUALS,STATUES,GRAVEN
images,pictures of worship,idols or material
communion and such like in the Christian Faith.As it is written, that, my children
are destroyed for the lack of knowledge.
Everyone that says i am a Christian,don't believe it.It takes more to being a Christian than just beliving.Believing is only the first step.Try and cross the street just by beliving.
YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE,
BY LOOKING AT IT.
---Jack_8773 on 12/19/07


Jack: I'm not God. I'm human. We are going to disagree on some things. The problem with people like you is they always deny the human element and man's ability to make mistakes. Holy Spirit or not, I'd rather be on the side of humility, and admit some things are my opinion, than speak for God on every matter, and take His name in vain in doing so. So, whether I'm right or wrong, let God be the judge. As far as I know, God's name is not "Jack".
---j._nonymous on 12/19/07


** Gordon: just because we both have the spirit does not mean we will always come to the same conclusions. **

Wrong.

The Holy Spirit is a spirit of unity.

If you BOTH had the SAME Holy Spirit, you'd be coming to the exactly same conclusions.

The fact you don't means one of two things:

1. One of you has the Holy Spirit and the other doesn't.

2. Neither of you does.
---Jack on 12/19/07


Gordon: just because we both have the spirit does not mean we will always come to the same conclusions. Also, beginning in 2008 I will be starting my 4th time reading through the entire Bible.
Unity, does not mean uniformity. We are brothers unified through the blood of Christ, but we differ on this issue. I personally would like my communion with unleavened bread and WINE. But if we do EVERYTHING as unto the Lord, I don't think logistics are the point.
---j._nonymous on 12/17/07


j. nonymous, You are still totally missing the point. It is what the Bread and Wine represent! The Sacred, Holy and Pure Blood of the Son of GOD Jesus Christ (YAHUSHUA). That Blood is the ONLY THING that can keep you, me and anyone else OUT OF HELL. And, if you will take the time to allow the Holy Spirit to show you through different resources, including the Bible, just what Hell is really like, you'll THEN understand why I and others are "fussing" about this so much.
---Gordon on 12/17/07


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Jack:

That's because the new testament churches had no access to Coke and nachos ,)

(I confess that this argument is totally flippant, but then again, it uses exactly the same logic as the argument that the internet is not necessarily unbiblical just because none of the apostles endorsed it. Somehow, it feels like there's something odd going on here, but I can't find it.)
---StrongAxe on 12/17/07


**If the communion elements do, in fact, become the literal body and blood of Christ (as some churches teach), then what does it matter whether they started out as wheat, or as corn?**

The example of the Lord was wheat bread and wine (not juice) made from grapes.

This has been the universal practice of all the pre-reformation churches, including those which had nothing to do with the Pope.
---Jack on 12/13/07


"Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said "Take this and divide it among yourselves,
"for I say to you, I will not drink of the
fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
Then He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying "This is My body which is given for you, do this in
rememberance of Me."
---truthseeker on 12/12/07


No! That was not blasphemous! It merely goes against our tradition. Once a person came to me in "a work office" setting and asked me to hold communion. I was most reluctant to do so but several workers wanted me to do so. We used ordinary white bread and Cokes with the people had bought for this in-house communion.
---Mima on 12/12/07


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Gordon: first of all, I've never done this. I don't think I would do it unless thats all there was. And nobody ever clarified whether ir not it was for the taste or change of pace so I'm not assuming that. Should you?
My point is, its funny how we turn everything right back into law again after recieiving Him by grace.
Also, if we should try to get as close to doing things as Jesus did, I hope you're wearing sandals and a robe while you're blogging.
---j._nonymous on 12/12/07


A new one to say the least. It could be considered as such.
---catherine on 12/12/07


j. nonymous, At least Grape Juice and Leavened bread are CLOSER to what YAHUSHUA instructed us to use. If nachos and soda pop is ALL ONE HAS, that's ONE thing. But, if nachos are used INSTEAD, as a "change of pace" or for a "taste sensation", then it is Blasphemous indeed. YES!!! TAKE CARE of the bigger issues that need dealt with, but WHY ADD ON UNECESSARY LITTLE ONES??!! You don't NEED to remember the Lord YAHUSHUA's Blood Sacrifice with Nacho Chips and a Coke! It's DISRESPECTFUL!
---Gordon on 12/12/07


Jack:

If the communion elements do, in fact, become the literal body and blood of Christ (as some churches teach), then what does it matter whether they started out as wheat, or as corn?

And if they are merely metaphorical symbols, then what they symbolize remains the same, regardless of the physical forms as well.
---StrongAxe on 12/11/07


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To MOCK in an irreverant manner is a grievous sin-Make no mistake.It is = to belitteling.same as the Jews mocked the suffering Dying Christ on the cross .
---Emcee on 12/11/07


Ramon ... "The Bible and Church History holds that the Eucharist is done with Bread and Wine"
Actually the The Bible and Church History tell that the Eucharist was done with Bread and Wine.
Jesus did not say we had to use bread and wine to remember.
What about those parts of the world where these are not available? Or people who are celiacs?
---alan_of_UK on 12/11/07


j_nonymous: LOL! Oh, but didn't you read the Screwtape Letters from CS Lewis (that is the correct title, right?)? This is Satan's funnest game, to distract us from the real issues, to make our own problems so monstrous that we can't see past them to help those in need. But I would just like to say on a sidenote that if you are going to eat that chemically-laden imitation cheese sauce, why not go for broke? Drink regular Coke!
---kady on 12/11/07


Well as I remember Nachos don't contain leavening agents and it could be a Grape diet soda so if some one is trying to use it in a contemporary worship service it my work very well. The most comprehensive account of the last supper is John account and John does not write about this. So you are left with Matthew for an eye witness account of the last supper. The meal was a regular evening meal as no lamb or bitter herbs are mentioned.
---notlaw99 on 12/11/07


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Greater sins would be: not taking care of the poor, not loving our neighbors as ourselves, not feeding the hungry, using our TV ministry to swindle ignorant people, not loving our wives as Christ loved the Church (God help me), not preaching the good news to the lost.....
So, let me get this straight. The world is going to hell at lightspeed and we're focusing on NACHOS and DIET SODA!?!?

How many of you drink GRAPEJUICE and LEVENED BREAD for communion? Just as blasphemous?

---j._nonymous on 12/11/07


YES! We are talking about the Precious Saviour, the Only Begotten Son of the ONLY True and Living GOD, Who, by His shed Royal Blood ALONE can redeem any soul of mankind from the Eternally Burning Lake of Fire! But nachos and soda pop is what we remember him with????!!!! If, one simply has NOTHING ELSE, MAYBE! But, if it's just for a "change of pace" or for "fun" or "for the yummy taste of it all", then it IS Blasphemous! Church of Laodicea, how much LOWER will you stoop?!
---Gordon on 12/11/07


No, this is not blasphemy. The first Lord's Supper was at a dinner table where bread and wine were readily available. Perhaps all this church had was nachos and soda. I have seen crackers and grape juice used. It is about the symbolism of the things used, not about what they are. Jesus didn't say you have to use bread and wine for the Lord's Supper.
---Susie on 12/10/07


They don't have bread in the Oriental countries, but rice.
---alan_of_UK on 12/10/07


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The preacher is in error into thinking the Holy Communion can be done with a soda and nachos. The Bible and Church History holds that the Eucharist is done with Bread and Wine. To use anything else is a unacceptable!

Many Churches are not in communion with God, and are full of Satan's doctrines.

Listen to the Bible and want the Early Church observed and believed.
---Ramon on 12/10/07


Yes, bread and wine were main staples in that day and age, and it was something the people could relate to. So looking at it from that perspective, I could see where he is coming from. It's so easy to be hard on people when we don't understand the whole picture.
---kady on 12/10/07


If this did happen I would not agree with it, as Jesus used bread and wine at the Last Supper to use anything else would be unacceptable. IMO

But, I was told by a preacher that the reason why bread and wine was used it was a common meal of the time. So if Jesus lived in modern times it could have been beer and pizza or soda and nachos. Which are more common meals of our time.
---Francis on 12/10/07


If communion is nothing more than a mental remembering, what difference does it make what is used, or even if it is done at all?

OTOH, if, as "anamnesis" indicates, it's an actual making present of that which is memorialized, then the matter (as the bread and wine are called) makes all the difference in the world.
---Jack on 12/10/07


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truthseeker: "If this "preacher" was "joking", he has no fear of the Lord"?

Sure. Cause we all know joking is a sin right?

Go have a diet Coke and loosen up.
---j._nonymous on 12/10/07


I personally think it takes from the reverence of the service, unless that's all they had available at the time. It sounds user-friendly. But I don't know this guy's heart or motives for doing this, nor do I know all the circumstances behind this, so I guess it's not fair of me to judge him.
---kady on 12/10/07


If this "preacher" was "joking", he has no fear of the Lord.

If this preacher really did this, he has no fear of the Lord.

Yes, this is blasphemous, and it is a sign of the times.
---truthseeker on 12/10/07


Why should it be blasphemous?
---alan_of_UK on 12/10/07


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