Is Salvation Eternally Secure
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"By your fruits ye shall know them". And what are those fruits representative of? The quality and strength of our faith. Our fruits are evidence our faith. They do not save us, otherwise the hypocrite would be saved by his hypocritical works. The bible over and over again says the evidence should be in the fruits though. We can judge ourselves by our fruits. Is our faith alive and strong, if so it should be obvious in our works? |
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---grant on 2/4/08 |
Rules of conduct are always given to the believers only. None believers do not understand spiritual things of God. "Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. Of His own will He brought us forth by the Word of truth, that we might be a kind of first fruits of His creatures" |
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---Mark_V. on 12/18/07 |
Believing something is not a work, it is an "ability." And God say's, we don't have the ability to come to Christ. "And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to Me 'unless' it is granted him by the Father" John 6:65. The ability to come to Christ has to be granted by God. |
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---Mark_V. on 12/17/07 |
Bad works,devils.If persons works are kind,giving,caring then that person is showing the Love of God to humankind they're a messenger of God through works,no doubt they belong to God. Mat 7:17 & 18 -every good tree bringeth forth good fruit,every corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree can't bring forth evil fruit,neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 12:33-for the tree is known by his fruit. Mat 7:19 if tree doesn't have good fruit,cut down and cast into fire. |
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---Darlene_1 on 12/16/07 |
UK Alan, you may be right. My thought was that in order to give assent to a scientific proposition, one must do a great deal of intellectual work to understand it first. Same with a theological proposition one does not at first understand. I do think saying Thank You is a work, and a very pleasant one at that! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/14/07 |
I S ... "is intellectual assent to theological propositions work?"
No, I don't think so.
"Works" are surely attempts to gaan salvation by what we do?
I don't see believing something is a work, nor is saying "thank you" a work, nor even is ssying "please" |
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---alan_of_UK on 12/14/07 |
UK Alan, maybe you know: is intellectual assent to theological propositions work? If such are required for salvation, aren't we then saved by works? How do we define Works? No garden path this time... |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/13/07 |
Mark V-Those who continue to deny salvation by grace through faith alone
Passage James 2:24:
"You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." |
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---Ruben on 12/13/07 |
Mark V-. But when Scripture is not the final authority of your life, man becomes final authority,
Passage 1 Timothy 3:15:
"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." |
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---Ruben on 12/13/07 |
The jurney of a 1000 miles begains with 1 step.But there is a lot of steps in between,
and, He lets ou know everyday that in order to remain the same... you have to maintain. |
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---Jack_8773 on 12/13/07 |
RCs do not believe that they we earn our way into heaven by doing good works, but we dont believe that just making a statement at one point in your life that Jesus is your personal savior automatically guarantees your assurance of salvation. Many verses in scripture say that a person must ammend their lives, obey the Commandments, forgive others etc to be saved. St. James states that faith without works is dead and asks what good is it to profess faith while your brother has no food, clothing, shelter? |
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---janet on 12/13/07 |
I wonder how many Christians on ths site say that they are saved by their works and not faith?
I suggest there are none |
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---alan_of_UK on 12/13/07 |
Here is an amazing statement."It isn't our works that "save" us, but unless we constantly repent and try to do better, our faith in Christ is insufficient for his redemption to have place in us." |
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---Mima on 12/13/07 |
They bible warns against sin and apostacy because it is possible to sin and apostacize after having gained faith in Christ and thus fall away from God. We are human and are constantly in need of God's grace. He died once for all, but that doesn't mean that we can mock God. It isn't our works that "save" us, but unless we constantly repent and try to do better, our faith in Christ is insufficient for his redemption to have place in us. |
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---grant on 12/13/07 |
#3. Those who continue to deny salvation by grace through faith alone will always want everyone to earn their way in. Dogmatic teachings from their dogmatic religion. "We are saved by Grace through faith, not of ourselves it is a gift of God, so that no one can boast" and the first thing they do is boast of their own works. Many trying to save himself and true faith goes down the toilet. |
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---Mark_V. on 12/13/07 |
#4. If you read the Bible, or for that matter believe in it, you would know the truth and the truth would set you free. But when Scripture is not the final authority of your life, man becomes final authority, and you stay trapped in the dogmatic religion. Hebrews 12:1,2, "..let us, looking unto Jesus, the Author and finisher of our faith.." is a clear indication that Jesus not man, is the author of our faith, and |
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---Mark_V. on 12/13/07 |
#5. the reason Jesus tells us in 1 Cor. 1:7-9, "... so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ," the means by which He sustains us is the faith we have from Him for Him. Don't ever doubt your faith if you are a child of God. The enemy would love nothing more then to cripple the believer by doubtin the Faith of Christ for Christ. |
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---Mark_V. on 12/13/07 |
Only the one's who have "no true faith in Christ" will do what they want in life. They will give evidence of what is in their hearts. If the Spirit of God endwells the person, he will struggle in life even more, because the conflict between the flesh and the Spirit will be an ongoing thing. He will be sanctified by the Spirit and his faith will endure to the end for "that faith is from God through the person of Jesus Christ who is the Author and finisher of our faith. |
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---Mark_V. on 12/13/07 |
#2. There is many who would have you believe they create that true faith, and its because they want to be the cause of their own salvation by their works. This way they can have it an give it up when they want, making man the cause of his salvation. They want all those who truly believe by faith to question their own faith, but those are lies from the enemy who would love nothing more then for a Christian to question his faith, that Christ gave him at rebirth. |
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---Mark_V. on 12/13/07 |
Well said catherine! It exactly answers the
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---Nana on 12/13/07 |
Christ died for all and God wants everyone saved, so that outcome is in the bag. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/12/07 |
Again without going to scripture because I have to go for a walk. Salvation is only secure if you stay faithful till the end. |
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---catherine on 12/12/07 |
Because "There shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring damnable heresies, even denying the the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Which have gone the way of Balaam, who loved the wages of unrighteousness. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and denying the only LORD God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." |
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---joseph on 12/12/07 |
there is one God and one mediator btw God and man. the man christ Jesus.1 tim 2:5
Jesus came into the world to save sinners. 1 tim 1:15
Salvation is secure 100%. It would be not gud of a reghteous God not to warn people of apostacy. I geuss the message is Guard your heart for the duration of your LIFE.That you do not know. |
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---brian3745 on 12/12/07 |
We are born to die!We are told be prepared WHY?If salvation is secured by belief with grace, should we worry?.St Paul tells us faith without good works is dead.Jesus says ,follow me "be perfect as your heavenly father,we are made to the image and likeness of God.That said it takes ENDEAVOUR, which transalated means Work for your salvation, Prove to God you are worthy refrain fom sin.Its the truth.OSAS is false & satan want you to believe this.He wants his share of the pie -YOU. |
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---Emcee on 12/11/07 |
The salvation of every person who ever lived is eternally secure. Rom.5.18, 1.Cor.15.28. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/11/07 |
(1)Cynthia
It is by the grace of God that we are saved through faith in Christ Jesus, as stated in Eph. 2:8.
Salvation is eternally secure as we are sealed by the Holy Spirit which is the promise of our inheritance as stated in Eph.1:13-14. |
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---Shawn.M.T on 12/11/07 |
(2)Cynthia, APOSTASY means the renunciation of faith or more simply put the denial or rejection of faith. This would be considered blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Which is, as stated in Matt. 12:31, the one sin that will not be forgiven?
The Grace of God will save you but only through faith. So if you deny or give up your faith, how do you except to be saved. |
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---Shawn.M.T on 12/11/07 |
Yes, if you are among Gods elect nothing can take you out of the family of God. This is not license to do thing you want, as God the Father is free to chastise members of the family if there is need to do so. God chose you before the beginning of the world. How do you plan to use the grace that He gave you? |
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---Phil_the_Elder on 12/11/07 |
(3) So, yes, once Satan has us compromised in ANY sin, at all, he would take us to hell. NO sin is safe, then. We all have experienced how in sinning we do NOT really have control > we hurt ourselves and others, can't even get those pleasures the way we'd like, and Satan would finish us off if God did not override what our "free wills" started. So, God warns us against apostasy and hell, because every choice to sin IS choosing Satan and therefore to share in his fate, but God intervenes. |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 12/11/07 |
You're not saved if you're not safe (o: "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) The Holy Spirit's own almighty power has each of us "joined to the Lord" in an almighty bond with Him. And the Holy Spirit is THE Spirit of obedience, who in our union "with Him" shares His obedient "divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4) with us, so we don't sin to death. Please see (2) |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 12/11/07 |
(2) nice to see you again ((o: > But we do sin, and in sinning Satan has us weakened, so that once he has us weakened in even a "little" sin he would take us the rest of the way, except >
we are each almightily "joined to the Lord", plus >
"God resists the proud" (in James 4:6 and in 1 Peter 5:5). God's resisting us in pride stops us for correction, then His chastening (Hebrews 12:1-11) has us doing better. please see (3) |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 12/11/07 |
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