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Salvation For Catholics

I wrote a book on salvation for Catholics. When I tell people the subject, they immediately inform me the Catholic religion has changed a lot. Why defend a religion that is ever changing? A doctrine that is here today, and gone tomorrow? This is perplexing, to say the least. Any answers out there?

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Sophia,
I think you misunderstand the early church councels. Your critique can apply to later councels. Also, your statements about the aposles and Paul sound as thought you are part of the Jesus seminar.
---Gilbert on 1/28/08


The "christian church" has always changed. Christ taught a "God the Father" centered gospel. His followers turned it into a "Christ" centered gospel. Paul liberalized it. Later councils,creeds and communications often were more to shift doctrine rather than protect it. History is littered with christian doctrines that have changed or been abandoned altogether, such as, the divine right of kings, justified slavery, flat earth, earth centered universe, etc.
---sophia on 1/16/08


not everyone that says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one that does the will of my father in heaven. John 3,16 is not the only verse that refers to salvation. there are many others. The Bible is one of the most misinterpreted books.
---janet on 1/15/08




MarkMy knowledge is finite, it points to my absolute limitations. My knowledge of science tell me life did not self-generate from inert matter. The Bible saws from dust I came and to dust do I return (Exodus) Knowledge with out faith, without God is useless and possible dangerous. But guys like meare not anti-knowledge, my maxim is this If ones faith cannot stand the test of free inquiry, its finished! He did not endow us with a mind and then ask us to forgo its use, thats not faith.
---MikeM on 1/15/08


Mark-You do not know my life, my religion. I do not believe That to be smart is better then to have faith. I believe faith is a living, vibrant process, and if you have to avoid KNOWLEDGE in order to maintain faith, again, it aint faith. Yes I question scripture, I like when I hear of an atheist who sets out to disprove scripture, and then after years of it he comes to believe in them wholeheartedly. Such a faith would have more substance than ignorance.
---MikeM on 1/15/08


All who believe and call upon the Name of Jesus Christ are saved. Christ did die for everyone.
He loves us all.
all who follow Him and have faith in Him are born unto Him and are saved. This includes asking Jesus to come into our hearts and Trust in Him and baptism.
Catholics are not the ones you have to worry about. It's the one who does not admit and worship Jesus Christ as Lord and God. who died for us and is resurrected and will come again.
---lisa on 1/15/08


ad hominEm-You are correct. I should spell gooder. Of the 7 fallacies in argument, ad hominem is the 1.# standby used most often on these blogs. Once a pastor said to me, "Your problem is you think too much." My response was, "only one of us has that difficulty."....(He agreed.)
---MikeM on 1/14/08


MikeM, I only answered you because of what you always have to say. I know there is guys like you everywhere, people who look at others and question what they say, up against your knowledge. If they talk about Catholics, you say they are good, fundamentalist, they are terrible, SDA's you might like or not. If the subject is about Scripture, that really turns you on because you can dispute Scripture in a blink of an eye with your knowledge.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/08




#2. Mike: I checked every answer you gave and not one was concerning faith in Christ, the atonement, salvation. Not once did you help another brother in their faith. On the contrary, you want to tell them not to trust in their faith, to trust in their knowledge. That to be smart is better then to have faith. If knowledge was the cause for our salvation only you would be saved. You question Scripture from many answers you have given. You say it is wrong to believe Scripture and right to believe in you.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/08


Ardith,
Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will be saved but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. All the sacraments are Biblically based. What rituals are you referring to? All churches have rituals and traditions.
---janet on 1/14/08


ad hominEm - spelled with an E. (Call me pedantic, it's OK.)
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/14/08


Mark- V "people like you who do their best to disprove the Word of God" How/where/when am I trying to disprove anything? I am no atheist, and my knowledge is finite.

"God warns about people like you" People who dare THINK? You statement is an ad hominum one, and fails to deal with the issue I bring up, its simple as that, deflect from a tough questing by attacking the messenger. Its about heat and a kitchen
---MikeM on 1/14/08


John 8: 41-47 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but He sent me. Why do you not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the the lusts of your father will ye do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." When Adam fell, we all took on the nature of Satan. Ye MUST be born again!
---craig on 1/13/08


I cannot think of any basic Catholic teaching that has been significantly changed since Pope Clement I wrote his first epistle to the Corinthians just before A.D. 100.
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/13/08


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Wow, ALWAYS a debate, which I believe is probably what started the post-Martin Luther church anyway. Catholics do NOT believe in salvation by works or by rituals. It's pretty plain: Jesus died for us. Believe in this, and you are saved. Period. Now, what we do here either rewards or consequences us, but the salvation does not go away. I wonder if we all Christians would put as much energy towards our Lord as we do arguing theology and doctrine, what fine Christian people we would be??
---Dale on 1/11/08


One must be "born again" regardless of what Church they go to. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth. Repent of one's sins and to be cleansed through the Blood of Christ for all unrighteousness.

Catholics have just as much ability to receive Christ as anyone else. Unfortunately they get into rituals that are not Biblically based but the Holy Spirit is leading them out of such things.
---Ardith_Kay_Tolson on 1/11/08


Hello Greyrider, I wanted to answer you about what you ask, but have added a new blog on the questions you put down. So that others can answer also and not just me. I want to thank you for your curtious answers and opinions. This blog is about something else altogether. Thank you so much and hope to answer your questions on that new blog when it comes out. Blessings Greyrider,
---Mark_V. on 1/11/08


MikeM, I am not surprise when you answer anyone. I already know what you are going to say. It gives a reason why more true Christians should study more about the Word of God. There will always be people like you who do their best to disprove the Word of God with their so call great knowledge and words. God warns all believers about people like you. There is also a purpose for you, to give encouragement to those who are not prepared and need to be. The sun also shines on you on a sunny day.
---Mark_V. on 1/11/08


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Are we not built like Adam, with the spirit of God within us which manifests itself from time to Time.The decency that exists in us comes from God who is good.Even people in the OT.
---Emcee on 1/11/08


MarkV::"I was a catholic There is much I was never Taught" If so who taught you all what you know today ? are you sure that what ever source you learnt From thereafter was authentic.or was it that before you were not listening.
---Emcee on 1/11/08


MM- even atheists can be decent.

MarkV and Greyrider - thanks for demonstrating a great way to have a debate
---Andrea on 1/11/08


This has become the GreyriderMark thread. I will say the RCC today is a far less vicious God than the fundamentalist, through their insufferable theology present. In my opinion the RCC is a miasma of beliefs/traditions. As a Scout master I have worked with many RCC. The active ones I know seem decent.
---MikeM on 1/11/08


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Mark, we agree that the person living today in the civilized world has obviously heard of Jesus. They chose to follow Him or not. In that situation, there IS NO OTHER WAY to salvation. My only question is about those who never heard the Gospel, or only heard a false Gospel. I'm primarily referring to babies and people living centuries ago in isolated areas of the world.
---Greyrider on 1/10/08


There are 2 ways to learn from Scripture. Some teachings are in there point blank in one verse. Other teachings are in there by piecing together 3,4,5 different verses or passages. Think about this, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David never KNEW Jesus. You say, they lived before Jesus. What about those who lived at the time of Jesus, maybe right after Him but the Gospel never reached them? What was the cut off year where people were excused?
---Greyrider on 1/10/08


#3. Lisa: I was answering Greyrider who was so kind to answer me back with his opinion, because he believes there is many other ways to heaven. Which is what you must believe since you think salvation is for everyone. If that is the case why witness to anyone? Why send missionaries to countries who will never hear the gospel? If there is other ways, then all of that is not necessary. Why teach about Christ? Now you might believe I am mean to Catholics, but how will they know unless someone tells them?
---Mark_V. on 1/10/08


#4. Lisa: You might say, it really is not that important to cause such a deal, but it is a matter of eternal life or eternal death. It matters very much what we do as Christians. Should we close the doors to the churches and celibrate because we are saved and the hell with everyone else, since after all God has many other ways, without the Gospel? If Scripture say's, "You must be born again to enter the kingdom of God" Words, that are not completely true, because there is other ways.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/08


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#5. Lisa: I don't have another way to explain to you why I answer the Catholics. I use the Word of God. No one there seems to think their church makes many mistakes. Infallible. The same I answer the SDA's who think they are without sin because they follow the Saturday Sabbath, and everyone else is a sinner. Someone has to answer so that those whom God wants to hear, will hear, and learn the truth.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/08


A confession is not necessarily salvation. You must be saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ. He is not religion in the first place. That's it.
---catherine on 1/10/08


Lisa, let me say that I answer blogs just like everyone else. Different because I am different then others. I tried to answer questions on the essential of the Christian faith and as time went on many concerned the Catholic church. Since I myself use to be one, and since I left, I realized as a Catholic there was much I was never taught. If I had never left I would have never known the truth of God's holy Word. The Catholic church is what I believe in, not the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/08


#2 Lisa: let me explain, you said, "Salvation is for all, God does not discriminate" I don't think you have read Scripture. How about the Cannanites, the thousands upon thousands God killed for the preservation of Israel, people who never had a chance to hear the gospel of the coming Christ. Whom God decided not to favor, because He decided the Jew were His people. And how about the wicked? Where do you find in the Bible that the wicked go to heaven? I don't make this up, it is written.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/08


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Jesus said , i am the way ,the truth and the life.no man commeth unto the father but by me,not of works lest any man should boast.We can not work for our Salvation. Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice shedding his blood on the Cross.Go to Church.See your Christian friends. Be Happy.
---HARRY on 1/10/08


If all we needed was the gospel Jesus gave, that why do people think they need Paul? Jesus testified to the truth and agrees completely with the old testament. Since salvation comes thru Him, anyone dead or alive that came after Him should be discounted.
---Dr._Rich on 1/9/08


why does everyone feel threaten by Catholic Christians? Why not pick on Lutherans, Methodist, Baptist, Jahovah Witness, SDAs, dare is say Evangelicals, they consider themselves Chistians. The Catholic church is one of the longest standing, do you not think God might actually have a purpose for them? God put them through many hard trails and they are still standing.
---LaLupe on 1/9/08


Salvation is for all....God does not discriminate. So why pick on the Catholics all the time.. They confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God..the Lord the Savior of the world...
They are not the anti-christ...
They are with the Lord and children of God.
---lisa on 1/9/08


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#1) Mark, I may be wording this wrong. Jesus is the only way to salvation, but there are many ways to Jesus. Imagine going to a Christian testimony service where 10 people are going to give their testimony of their spiritual journey and how they came to faith in Christ. You may get 10 radically different stories, with 10 radically different paths to Christ. But what if they died while searching for the one true God (Jesus)?
---Greyrider on 1/9/08


#2)However, while these people are searching for the one true God, at that moment, thru no fault of their own, they haven't been exposed to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. In other words, they are searching for Jesus although they don't know His name yet. Considering that, what is the difference between a 2 yr old baby and a 15th century (pre-missionary) Native American? For anyone who does know OF Christ and rejects Him, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. On that, we agree.
---Greyrider on 1/9/08


#4. Greyrider: That passage is found in Romans 10:9,10. Would you consider that contrition, or just pride? How can someone confess all his sins if he is prideful before God and refuse to open his mouth to God? And if the passage is not necessary why do you think God put it in His Word? I ask, What stops you from confessing with your mouth? What is so powerful that you are exempt from not having to say any words when God has given you a mouth to speak with?
---Mark_V. on 1/9/08


#5. Greyrider: I don't think there is anything shameful when you go before the Lord and make a commitment so great. Giving your life to Christ. What I believe you and others believe is that Scripture is not final authority as many here have said. That God's Word is true, but only when it makes sense to you, and if not then you add to God's Word to make it fit your theology. The very reason many in the Catholic faith do not believe in rebirth. They believe in salvation but no rebirth.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/08


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#6. Greyrider: I am not trying to be hard, just trying to explain what I believe happens, from hearing from so many in the Roman Church. But of course you have a right to believe what you think, and do what you think. I do not want to sound disrespectful to you, since you have been kind in answering. Thanks.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/08


Greyrider, the reasons you give do not answer the question. You said many things but most of what you said is not in any way in Scripture. Your theology has Scripture and no Scripture when you cannot make sense of something. You said, "People are usually exposed to the Gospel many times and struggle over a period of time before they give their lives to Christ" which is encouraging to hear you say that, but then you turn around and say, there is many other ways
---Mark_V. on 1/9/08


#2. Greyrider: What other ways are there? Where in Scripture does God mentions many ways? I said this becuase you mentioned tribes, babies, and all those who don't hear the gospel. Can you show us where God said there is other ways other then through Christ? You also mentioned that you don't believe you have to say certain words in order to be save, I would agree with you if the person could not speak. But you can and so you can use your mouth to speak.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/08


#3. Greyrider: God has given you a mouth to speak to Him. And to show your theology is not from Scripture, I take you to God's Word, "If you confess with your mouth, Jesus as Lord, and believe with your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, for with the heart man believes resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation" You are saying that God's Word is not necessary for your salvation. That you can keep the words to yourself.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/08


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#1) Gilbert, let's put it this way. Faith in Jesus is the way to salvation. But if you look at a 2 yr old baby, a 30 yr old man living in the jungles of New Guinea who never hears the name Jesus spoken by anyone, and a Native American lving in the 15th century, you must apply the same theology to all three. Do you believe all babies that die go to hell? If you look closely at the story of the centurion, he's not really sure what is going on, but he senses something divine in Jesus. (cont)
---Greyrider on 1/8/08


#2) Despite the centurion's lack of theological knowledge, Jesus praises him for the faith he does have. Many scientists today began to believe in the existence of God because of what they saw in nature. They eventually came to believe in Jesus & are now bible-believing Christians. But what if they died while in pursuit of God? Sounds like the centurion's situation. Does God send them to hell because they are theologically ignorant? Is there a test to get into heaven? What grade do you need?
---Greyrider on 1/8/08


Greyrider,
You still sound like a unitarian-universalist. There is only one scripture that implies that an infant that died might have gone to heaven. I'd be surprized if more than one person hear knows that passage. 1 Cor. 7 says the children of non-believers are not sanctified. It also implies a lot of other things.
---Gilbert on 1/8/08


Emcee - I openly admit I invented the phrase "mercy clause" for situations like trying to explain complex theology in 85 word posts. A preacher could say "God is a merciful God" and then preach for 2 hours expounding on what that means.
---Greyrider on 1/8/08


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Mark, when I (or anyone else for that matter) uses the phrase "road to Damascus experience" it refers to people who have radical conversions that literally take place in minutes. That is very rare. People are usually exposed to the Gospel many times and struggle over a period of time before they give their lives to Christ. Most people today hear about Jesus at a young age. Are all conversions that people experience in their 30's and 40's (or later) phony?
---Greyrider on 1/8/08


Here's a clearer example. If a 2 yr old dies, does he go to hell for not believing in Jesus? If you say no, he didn't know any better, what about a 30 yr old living in a tribal village who never heard of Jesus? or a Native American in the 15th century who never heard of Jesus? The same theology MUST apply to ALL THREE. Too many Christians turn Christianity into a ceremony-based religion by saying you MUST pray a "sinner's prayer" or answer an altar call. (cont)
---Greyrider on 1/8/08


(cont) To understand what I'm trying to say, realize that in the 21st century, the extreme majority of people HAVE heard of Jesus, so this wouldn't apply too often today, except with children. I agree with the PRINCIPLE behind the "I accept Jesus as Lord & Savior" doctrine, but I disagree with the hardline attitude that someone MUST go thru this ceremony and literally speak certain words. (i.e. Mother Teresa is in hell if she didn't speak the right phrases)
---Greyrider on 1/8/08


MERCY Clause!!!Only on Christianet do we find such new fangled clauses & phrases. There are 3 Theological Virtues,called Acts of Faith Hope & Charity.Mercy is derived from HOPE when you seek Grace & glory, because of The power of God.Hence we say "Lord have mercy, Christ Have Mercy." When we acknowlege our Nothingness.
---Emcee on 1/8/08


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Greyrider, you have a way with words. First you say, "No one comes to the Father except through Jesus" If no one does, why do so many you mention do come in different ways ? If He is the only way, why are you speaking of many other ways? Can you explain that? You also said very few people have the road to Damascus experience, suggesting there is another way. Which way is that? You also mention that to many it happens over time, what happens over time?
---Mark_V. on 1/7/08


MikeM - No, I don't know all your beliefs but from what you write I have a picture.

You call it "fundamentalism", the Scriptures call it faith in Jesus Christ and belief in his word.

The baptist comment may give some a chuckle who like to scorn Jesus and his word, but certainly God is not humored. Today you may act as judge of God, his saints and his word, but soon the tables will be turned and it will be you who will be judged unless you humble yourself, repent and believe.
---ShaunT on 1/7/08


#2 MikeM - No, you and everyone else is entitled to a religous/political buffet of their making and I am more than willing to allow you to eat what you choose. Just as I do with people re. real food even if I know it is delitarious to their health.

Even so, I will still without blush preach what I believe and earneslty contend for the Scriptural faith of Jesus Christ but at the end of the day allow you to go your way where I will go mine.
---ShaunT on 1/7/08


Greyrider,
You sound like a Unitarian Universalist.
---Gilbert on 1/4/08

Gilbert, I was referring to the way that some people come to Jesus. Very few people have "road to Damascus" experiences. With many people, it happens over time. Question is, what happens to someone who belives in God, is pursuing God and dies theologically ignorant, thru no fault of their own? What's your view?
---Greyrider on 1/7/08


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#2) If a small child, raised by atheist parents dies, do you honestly believe that God eternally punishes that child because of the parents' disbelief. Look at Scripture as a whole and tell me, does God come across that way to you? That would be a vengeful, hateful god and certainly not the God of Calvary. Not everything is in the Scripture point blank. The Trinity is not found in any one verse of the Bible. Do you believe in it?
---Greyrider on 1/7/08


#3) To try and explain "Salvation" in a 30-second soundbite (as many try to do) is a direct contradiction to Matthew 28:19-20. A "disciple" is a lifelong student, obviously implying that true Christianity is not one of "soundbite theology", but rather one of (often times) complex theology. If it was really simple, as some say, everyone would read the Bible and come up with the same interpretations, not 35000 different denominations.
---Greyrider on 1/7/08


#1) Mark, the RCC is known for its 500-600 page theology books. "The mercy clause" is a phrase that I came up with to explain this complex teaching. No one comes to the Father, except by way of Jesus. This is in reference to the fact that without Calvary, we would all go to hell. But God does not punish someone(i.e. small child, or tribal person who never hears the Gospel) because WE Christians do not reach them with "theological knowledge". God is a God of mercy. (cont)
---Greyrider on 1/7/08


Greyrider, where can I find "the mercy clause" you speak of in Scripture, material, or book? I have never heard of such a thing and would like to hear what it has to say about it. That is something new to me that the RCC teaches. Or is it just something everyone talks about but is not taught? I do have enough articles of faith of the Catholic church but that one, or maybe I do and don't know where to find it. Can you lead me to that?
---Mark_V. on 1/6/08


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Shawn- You don't know what I believe. My only issue is with fundamentalism, be is Islamic, secular fundamentalism (Marxism) or Protestant fundamentalism. In the final analysis, with all three you end up with the same thing.

I read scriptures. Through not Baptist they have a cute saying, 'Put 2 Baptist in one room with one Bible and you will get 3 opinions' thats in reality the nature of all Protestantism.

In a free society it is a buffet, unless your against pluralism- freedom of religion.
---MikeM on 1/5/08


There is only one way for salvation and that is to belong to the Kingdom of Heaven. To do that you must show your love to Jesus by keeping all of the ten commandments and teaching what Jesus taught and told to us by His eyewitnesses (John 14:26) Paul said there were two ways for salvation, one for Jews and one for Gentiles and that Gentiles could be adopted in. This is nonesense and it is a total lie! Seek ye first the KOH and His righteousness!
---Dr._Rich on 1/5/08


MikeM--Why do you keep saying that Mother Theresa and Hitler share the same fate? I dont understand what you are trying to get at here? We ALL share the same fate, meaning EVERY knee will bow whether Christian or not and we All will believe and be judged one day,whether we are the Hitler's of the world or the M Theresa's or somewhere in between.
---emtp on 1/4/08


Greyrider,
You sound like a Unitarian Universalist.
---Gilbert on 1/4/08


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Gilbert, thanks. Actually Romans 1:20 was the other verse I was trying to think of to prove my point. What that verse teaches is that Atheism is in reality, knowing there is a God and rejecting Him. Some people recognize God's existence thru nature and seek Him. There is no theology test to get into heaven. God knows who has a heart for Him, regardless of their theological expertise. The teaching that no one comes to the Father, except by Jesus, means that without Calvary, we all go to hell.
---Greyrider on 1/4/08


Greyrider,
Read Romans 1:20.
Also, God does send any one to hell, our sin of which we are born into, concived in the Psalms even say is what sends us to hell.
---Gilbert on 1/4/08


#1) The RCC teaches the "mercy clause" in regards to salvation. God realizes that many people either never hear the Gospel, hear a wrong version, or are turned off by hypocrite Christians. That's failure on the part of CHRISTIANS, and God will not send someone to hell because of the actions of bad Christians. I don't know how someone could call that a loving God. That kind of theology is an insult to Jesus. (cont)
---Greyrider on 1/4/08


#2) Only God can answer this: if a person was ever clearly presented with the Gospel and had the witness of faithful followers, would they then have given their lives to Christ. Those people will be saved. This is a 2000 year old teaching. Here's a question: Does a 7 year old child who has heard of Jesus but never formally accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior go to hell if they die? If not, how can you say that an adult who never hears a clear presentation of the Gospel does go to hell? (cont)
---Greyrider on 1/4/08


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#3) For centuries, many tribal peoples would look at nature, realize the obvious existence of God and try to learn about God from studying His creation, and try to discern right from wrong based on the laws of nature and nature's God. Do you really think God would send someone who had pursued Him their whole life to hell just because they did not know His name is Jesus? Before you answer read Psalm 19:1-2 over a few times.
---Greyrider on 1/4/08


Christ is not false...so neither is the Catholic who testify and witness for Christ Jesus the Lord our Savior of the world.
Christ was born, lived, died, resurrected and will come again. We worship Him and give all glory to Him. therefore repent and follow Him. Therefore we are saved too.
---lisa on 1/4/08


Shaun T-Reuben - There is one way to salvation and it is found through faith in Jesus Christ alone and not a system of works whether they be Mormon, JW's, Catholics or anyone else.

Do you believe this or do you believe all "good" people regardless of doctrine receive eternal life. >

Show me in the Bible where it show's you have the authorithy in scripture!
---Ruben on 1/3/08


#1 MikeM - You apparently do not believe in truth nor that Jesus Christ is the only way unto salvation. And as such you reject the admonition to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints. As such, there is nothing I can say to your replies except that you would do well to read the Scriptures. In so doing you would find your views of "have it your way" buffet religion is denounced by the Prophets, Jesus Christ and the Apostles who preached one way and one truth.
---ShaunT on 1/3/08


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#2 MikeM. An in response to your "gutter theology" slam, which is a total denial of Jesus Christ and his word, I will share the following verses so you can sweep Jesus Christ into the gutter along with me and all those "wicked" persons who actually believe in Truth and are willing to preach it no matter what the cost and not be spineless jellyfish who won't take a stand on anything.
---ShaunT on 1/3/08


#3 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Mat 7:21-32)
---ShaunT on 1/3/08


#4 One more item MikeM - I do not believe nor does the Bible preach that all persons will suffer the same consequences of judgment when they are raised from the dead and judged by Christ. No time or space to write but you can see (Mat 10:14-15, Lk 10:11,15, Lk 12:42-48).
---ShaunT on 1/3/08


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