the demoniac was full of a legion of devils and still worshiped at Jesus feet. Demon possion is not an excuse. also how would Judas repent for suicide? hard to say your sorry when a rope is crushing your voice box. Jesus even said that He lost none but Judas and he was the son of perdition. if Jesus says someone isnt saved i would take His word for it. |
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---Kraus on 1/28/08 |
Neither. According to the Bible, he is asleep in the grave awaiting the second resurrection and destruction in the lake of fire. |
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---jerry6593 on 1/28/08 |
Ramon ... the Predestinationalists here do say that God has decided, before they have been born, whom He will save and whom He will therefore consign to hell |
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---alan_of_UK on 1/27/08 |
Yes I agree that God knew what Hitler was going to do and I certainly do not think he was a Christian. Judas was a follower of Jesus though and I do believe that he carried out God's plans for him. He was extremely sorrowful afterwards even though it was what he had to do. That shows a possibility of asking for forgiveness.God says if we confess our sins he forgives us,none of us know what went on between him and God minutes before he died. I'm sorry but I have to believe there is hope for us all. |
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---Tena on 1/26/08 |
Tena * Obviously,none of you believe in predestination...I believe Judas did what was predestined for him to do...*
The Predestinationalist say that some was predestined to go to hell and some to heaven, all by God.
Sorry, by the basics of Scripture (1 Tim 2:3-4) I cannot accept the doctrine that God choose which one will go to hell and which one will not before they are born.
If Judas was predestined to betray Jesus, then it doesn't mean he will go heaven either Tena. |
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---Ramon on 1/25/08 |
Tena ... the Predestinationalist says we are all predestined ... some to be saved, and the rest to perish, or burn.
So Hitler did what God predestined him to do. Does not mean he goes to heaven fro doing it, though.
God had Hitler down for Hell right from the start even though Hitler obeyed God's predestined plans.
Personally i can't accept that. |
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---alan_of_UK on 1/25/08 |
David prophesied by the Holy Ghost of Judas and what he prophesied pretty much means that Judas did not go to heaven.
We are predestinated to be conformed to the image of the Son of God just as messengers of the devil are predestinated to chains of darkness and damnation. God already knew who would love his Son and wrote them in the book of life before they were ever born.
He also foreknew those like Judas that would be damned.
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---Frank on 1/25/08 |
Obviously,none of you believe in predestination...I believe Judas did what was predestined for him to do...but even if not..none of us know what he said to God the minute before he died..I'm sorry...I just don't dare to preclude I know for sure who is in Heaven and who is not. |
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---Tena on 1/25/08 |
Judas fulfilled the temptation on Christ.
As turning stones to bread he abused his authority.
As jumping from a tower he tempted God in betrayal.
As falling before satan he worshipped the same god of money today's prosperity preachers teach.
He killed himself like the swine possessed by devils.
Another was given his place.
I think the word shows where he went.
Frank |
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---Frank on 1/21/08 |
Tena *How could anyone possibly judge whether or not Judas repented and asked forgiveness or whether he was not saved when he betrayed...[or] accepted salvation....*
Because we are called by Jesus to judge "righteously" (John 7:24), and thus can conclude whether Judas repented or not (etc).
*Certainly none of us can presume to know who has or has not gone to Heaven or Hell*
Yet, like Saint Paul, we can know who is wicked(1 Cor 5:13), and a wicked person will not go to heaven |
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---Ramon on 1/21/08 |
Judas was once Saved, part of the flock, but he did not "keep the faith" and abandoned Christ and His flock.
There are no indication within Scriptures that Judas repented to God, and thus we can conclude that Judas is in Hades with all the wicked souls that are there. |
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---Ramon on 1/21/08 |
.tena, friends don't set out to kill friends. He is in hell, he could have went and pleaded forgiveness from the Lord Jesus, or he could have even went and pleaded the release of Jesus, whom he himself had him arrested and betrayed him with a kiss: but he did not, instead he himself sold Jesus out, and thereby had him arrested and murdered, then he himself finished his detruction by killing himself. |
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---Eloy on 1/21/08 |
How could anyone possibly judge whether or not Judas repented and asked forgiveness or whether he was not saved when he betrayed Jesus and then accepted salvation before he died. Certainly none of us can presume to know who has or has not gone to Heaven or Hell before us..after all, Judas was the only person Jesus ever called friend. |
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---Tena on 1/21/08 |
Judas abandoned the flock. Into the house of God we walked in company, but he put forward his hand against such as be at peace with him: he broke his covenant. Even a man of my friendship, whom I trusted in him eating of my bread, has lifted up the heel against me. He is brought down to the pit of destruction, men of blood and deceit will not live half their days. Blot them from the Book of Life, and with the righteous let not be written, from which fell Judas whom goes into his own place. |
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---Eloy on 1/18/08 |
Judas did not repent to Jesus, instead Judas had the Holy One of Israel killed. Yes, Judas had a freewill, he freely chose to be a traitor. Judas did not portray Jesus, but betrayed Jesus, therefore he is in hell. "to take the part of this ministry and apostleship, from which fell Judas whom goes into his own place." Acts 1:25.
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---Eloy on 1/18/08 |
Judas is burning as I am typeing this. |
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---catherine on 1/16/08 |
To lovable Linda-"Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, REPENTED himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders," this is from the King James version.
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---Mima on 1/16/08 |
Judas Iscariot was no robot, he is in hell. Satan cannot control any person without the person choosing to serve him. |
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---Eloy on 1/16/08 |
I agree with Lovable Linda that Judas is not reported as having repented to or before God
The description of his "repentance" appears to me to be more saying to himself "Oh, ***** what have I done? I had better give the money back"
He was just sorry for himself & that is not enough. |
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---alan_of_UK on 1/15/08 |
If he had really gotten saved at that moment, he should have been joyful, but what did he do?
He committed suicide. He chose death, since all he had after betraying Jesus was the sinful conviction of an unbeliever. He was filled with the sorrow of the world (2 Corinthians 6:10) and because it was not true repentance. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas killed himself.
Judas was an unbeliever. (John 6:64)
Judas was a devil. (John 6:70)
Judas perished (eternal death). (John 17:12)
Judas was called son of perdition, a title only shared in all Scripture with the antichrist, who is also unsaved. (John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, KJV) |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas went to his own place, not heaven. (Acts 1:20)
Judas would have been better off if he had not been born, which is true for every person who goes to hell. (Matthew 26:24 & 25)
Judas did NOT repent according to 2 Corinthians 6:10 and chose physical and eternal death.
Was Judas Saved?
ABSOLUTELY NOT. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.
To the el groupin, party of one, we do not have to wait until we get to heaven to understand what the Scripture says. It's clear that Judas is not once saved always saved. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas was an apostle of Christ by our Lord Himself. He preached repentance, healed the sick, cast out devils, and had the treasury bag. John 4:2 says he baptized others. Mark 9:35-41 says he belonged to Jesus. Verse 35, "the twelve," and verse 41, "because ye belong to Christ." He believed on Jesus (John 2:11). John 12:4 says, "Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him." |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
He was a disciple who also then betrayed Christ, became a devil (John 6:70), a thief (John 12:6), a murderer, and a traitor (someone who betrayed the cause). You can't betray what you never pledged allegiance to. Through covetousness he died in destruction and perdition (1 Timothy 6:9-10), and through transgression he fell (Acts 1:25).
He became lost and the son of perdition (John 17:12), and went to his own place (hell), whereas before his fall he was destined to go to heaven. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas showed remorse before the priests and elders.
He did not repent of his sin to God. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Bible scholars agree that the son of perdition was Judas. The word perdition, means eternal death. Jesus also uses the word perished in referring to Judas. John 3:16, where Jesus clearly infers that to perish means to go to hell. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas went to his own place, not heaven.
In Acts 1:20, Psalm 69, Psalm 100 which directly predicts Judas demise and destiny.
In Acts 1:25, Peter, referring to Judas, says, Judas turned aside to go to his own place. No where else in Scripture is that phrase, go to his own place used to describe anyone going to heaven. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas will be woefully punished for all eternity. In Matthew 26:24 & 25, Jesus says:
The Son of Man goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had NOT been born.
And Judas, who was betraying Him answered and said, Surely it is not I, Rabbi? He said to him, You have said it yourself. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Judas did NOT repent to God for his sin, but repented to himself only. (Matthew 27:3, KJV)
2 Corinthians 6:10 says,
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
Some people have said that Judas repented and therefore got re-saved. Nothing could be further from the truth.
If Judas had truly repented to God, instead of to himself, he would have had no regret or remorse.
In Matthew 27:3, Judas DID have regret and he only felt bad to himself, not to God.
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
mimalee, the bible does not ever say that Judas repented. He showed remorse, but it does not say that he repented.
"I believe that Judas repented, but I do not believe there is salvation in just the act of repentance."
Mimalee, if you don't believe that there is salvation in repentance, then you probably believe that you were eternally chosen, OSAS, and believe inclusive doctrines. |
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---lovable_linda on 1/15/08 |
I believe Judas went to hell!!! I want to be clear about that.
I believe that Judas repented, but I do not believe there is salvation in just the act of repentance.
I believe repentance is a change of mind. And I believe Judas changed his mind.
It is imperative that we repent(change our minds) before it is possible to receive Christ. However I do not believe Judas ever continued on and received Christ. Therefore Judas went to hell. |
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---Mima on 1/15/08 |
NV Barbara, Judas went to Hell. The statement that says that Judas "repented himself" was in regards to the 30 pcs. of silver. He realized that he betrayed Innocent Blood, he felt guilty for selling off YAHUSHUA (Jesus Christ) but there is mention whatsoever that Judas "repented unto Salvation". In fact, Judas is called the "son of Perdition", and the ONLY other person with that title in the Scriptures is the Anti-Christ. |
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---Gordon on 1/15/08 |
Just so Alan, as Mima said "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,"
I think he was forgiven, but I don't suppose we'll know until we get to heaven. |
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---NV_Barbara on 1/15/08 |
"A person lands themselves in HELL when they commit suicide. There are NO two ways about it"
Whisper, what an extraordinary thing to say!
Where in scripture is this, or have you had a private revelation? |
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---alan_of_UK on 12/28/07 |
God bless you in all of your studies.
Judas showed remorse before the priests and elders.
He did not repent of his sin to God. |
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---lovable_linda on 12/18/07 |
Judas is called the "son of Perdition". I believe in Acts, he was said to have gone to Hell, his "rightful" Place. Nowhere does it say that Judas repented unto Salvation. |
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---Gordon on 12/18/07 |
A person lands themselves in HELL when they commit suicide. There are NO two ways about it. |
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---Whisper on 12/18/07 |
(1) "Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, 'I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.' And they said, 'What is that to us? You see to it!' Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself." (Matthew 27:3-5) So, Judas did "repent" of what he did, but then committed suicide. > 2 Corinthians 7:10 |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 12/18/07 |
"For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted, but the sorrow of the world produces death." (2 Corinthians 7:10)
The sorrow of Judas brought him to religious people and suicide. Once Satan has no more use for one of his people, he may just dump the person in suicide. Ones make the tragic decision that there is no one worth staying here to love. But Paul suffered all he did, here, in order to stay here and help us (Philippians 1:23-24) |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 12/18/07 |
--- Catherine you wrote,"No he was not forgiven. He died an unrepentant sinner.
---catherine on 12/17/07 "but the following verse found in Matthew 27:3 seems to say otherwise.
"Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders," your comment |
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---Mima on 12/18/07 |
Hi again Lovable Linda. You guessed (incorrectly) that I am SDA. I will guess that you are Church of Christ. Blessings! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/17/07 |
Lovable L, I still like you a lot, even if we disagree. The SDAs would not agree with me. Anyway, I don't observe any particular days to rest or worship. Blessings! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/17/07 |
If he repented he will.We will not enter into heaven until after judgement day,and
when the 7th seal is open,and the 7th
trumpet by the 7th Angel have come forth
with the 7th and last plague of the wrath of the Almighty God.This knowledge is from the Almighty Himself.I am jack8773.Read my profile ,and keep in touch. |
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---Jack_8773 on 12/17/07 |
Don't be a coward, "dan", and hide.
Judas is not going to hear about any reward because he has no reward. |
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---lovable_linda on 12/17/07 |
Judas has received no reward yet, except people's judgement. He hasn't heard about it yet |
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---dan on 12/17/07 |
Sooo sorry, I.S., that is more SDA doctrine once again. |
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---lovable_linda on 12/17/07 |
Judas may not be in heaven, but his betrayal of Jesus was certainly part of God's plan (Eph.1.11). Judas will be saved at the end of the ages (1.Cor.15.27-28). We should rejoice that not one single human being will fall through the cracks. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 12/17/07 |
No he was not forgiven. He died an unrepentant sinner. |
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---catherine on 12/17/07 |
Judas went to hell!! Judas was a devil and front hell when he was chosen to be one of the 12. There can be no up without a down. To know good there must be bad. Judas played his part just as Almighty God knew he would. |
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---Mima on 12/17/07 |
No.
He was a disciple who also then betrayed Christ, became a devil (John 6:70), a thief (John 12:6), a murderer, and a traitor (someone who betrayed the cause). You can't betray what you never pledged allegiance to. Through covetousness he died in destruction and perdition (1 Timothy 6:9-10), and through transgression he fell (Acts 1:25).
He became lost and the son of perdition (John 17:12), and went to his own place (hell), whereas before his fall he was destined to go to heaven. |
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---lovable_linda on 12/17/07 |
Scripture, The Bible, teaches that throughout our Christian life, salvation is conditional and present tense.
It also teaches that the saved always have a strong hope for eternal life. It teaches that salvation comes by faith and repentance that produces good works of obedience through God's grace and our love for the Lord.
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---lovable_linda on 12/17/07 |
We persevere by God's power "through faith" (1 Peter 1:5). And we are preserved in Jesus Christ our Lord, living for Him, The Word.
If we go back to the world, forsaking the Word, we commit spiritual adultery.
Scripture says , if we die in this condition of sin, we cannot hope for heaven to be our eternal home.
Let us continue to look "unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2), lest we also fall away unto perdition. |
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---lovable_linda on 12/17/07 |
No.
Judas was once saved - forever lost.
Judas was an apostle of Christ by our Lord Himself. He preached repentance, healed the sick, cast out devils, and had the treasury bag. John 4:2 says he baptized others. Mark 9:35-41 says he belonged to Jesus. Verse 35, "the twelve," and verse 41, "because ye belong to Christ." He believed on Jesus (John 2:11). John 12:4 says, "Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him." |
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