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Scriptures For Always Saved

Do you believe in once saved, always saved, or do you believe that you can lose your Salvation? Scriptures would be appreciated.

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Oh my goodness sakes "There will be a lot of believers in hell", saith the Lord thy God. "Once saved always saved" is not in the Bible. It seems that we must depend on God to get us there. If He REALLY WANTS YOU, you'll make it.
---catherine on 6/23/10


Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.


If we are still waiting for salvation, and if salvation is Nearer then we do not actually have it. We claim it by faith. At any time we can change our minds and matching actions.

once saved always saved is comforting, but false teaching.
---francis on 6/23/10


Ezekiel 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

So we can walk with god one day, and next day turn to our own ways. And eziekel calls the man who walks with God righteous at the time he walks with god.
---francis on 6/23/10


All the names are written. John saw the sealed book unsealed and those judged from it.
Anyone who doesn't believe this also doubts the omniscience of God. There is nothing that God does not know. He knows who are His.
John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all, and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
---micha9344 on 6/22/10


God has 1 salvation plan which is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost.
The trin-people deny this because of here, 2nd.Cor.4 v 4.


The devil has salvation plans, easy believism, once saved always saved, no works salvation, the sinners prayer etc also. The Man - made trin - relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc devised these Lies & teachings which are here, Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 6/22/10




No, this doctrine was unheard of before the Reformation and contradicts scripture. See
Mt.24:13, 2Tim 2:12, Rom 11:22, Heb 6:4-6, Phil 2:12, 1 Cor 9:27
---janet on 1/23/08


Revelation 3:11 is on point. Why would God say this if one who was saved could not be lost? If you are a truth seeker searching for truth from the Holy Spirit you should be saved. But should you turn around and follow after a lie, then you will not be saved. Just make sure the right spirit is leading you! Yes, your name can be blotted out of the book of life!
---Dr._Rich on 12/25/07


Debbie Jo-#6 - They became "guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." Therefore they "ate and drank unworthily," because they came not in the merit of Christ alone.


Debbie he was talking about the Lord's supper " Passage 1 Corinthians 11:23-25:

"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
---Ruben on 12/24/07


Debbie Jo-#8 - This is what it means to "eat and drink judgment to themselves." It is those that are "weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."


It is because they do not "For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep."
---Ruben on 12/24/07


Debbie Jo-#10 - "for as oft as ye eat this bread and drink this cup, ye do announce the Lord's death till He may come."



Paul had already warn them :Passage 1 Corinthians 10:14-17:

"Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people, judge for yourselves what I say. Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? "
---Ruben on 12/24/07




Debbie Jo-A sample of such falling away is recorded in Acts 7:54-59. Stephen's audience was against Christ.


Members of the Council were unbelievers that Jesus was the Son of God :(v:51:)" You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!"
---Ruben on 12/24/07


Debbie Jo-#3 - Paul was speaking to believing Hebrews, to instruct them about themselves and also about unbelieving Hebrews, who had light enough to save them if they had accepted the light



Why would Paul tell OSAS Hebrews about the unbelieveing Hebrews unless he felt they too could join them :"who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit"
---Ruben on 12/24/07


Debbie Jo-A taste is a very little, just enough to determine the genuineness, or palatableness of food, tho' not enough to afford nourishment


Nowhere in that verse does it say a "taste" is very little infact it says "who have shared in the Holy Spirit"...
---Ruben on 12/24/07


Debbie Jo- I have known people to rejoice over the Truth, and afterwards turn it down and fight it. They only tasted the good Word, but were not saved by believing it



Bet you thought they were saved at first didn't you...That is why Jesus says "If you endure to the end" you will be saved.
---Ruben on 12/21/07


#5 - The Jews heard enough truth to convince them, but did not eat enough to save them - John 7:28. "And were made partakers of the Holy Spirit." This doesn't mean that they were filled with the Spirit. They only tasted of the Spirit, even as they tasted of Christ, for they could not receive the Spirit without first receiving the Savior - John 14:17. The Spirit had been poured out upon all flesh, convicting sinners of their sins and Jewish worshipers of their opposition to Christ - Acts 2:38.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#6 - They were "confounded, amazed and marveled," hearing them speak in their
own tongues. Those who yielded to the Spirit's presence and power, became filled with the Spirit. They believed and received and became the "you and ye" to whom Paul wrote. Others mocked and scorned, and received nothing but judgment 30 years later, the "them and those." "And have
tasted the good Word of God." The same principle obtains here as before.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#7 - They heard the Word preached and taught in the power of the Spirit. Jesus taught (Matt. 13:19) that the good seed "was sown in the heart" of wayside hearers, but the wicked one snatched it away. The stony ground hearers "heard the Word and with joy received it," but being persecuted afterward, became "offended." I have known people to rejoice over the Truth, and afterwards turn it down and fight it. They only tasted the good Word, but were not saved by believing it.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#8 - Those Jews tasted "of the dynamics of the age to come." They witnessed miracles, signs and wonders,which were earnests of the supernatural workings of the millennial age. The first seven years of Pentecostal power were the beginning of the millennium, if the Jews had received Jesus as their Savior and King, but they said, "We will not have this Man to reign over us." The meaning of these five statements came down to the first one - "they were once enlightened."
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#9 - They were arrested and sufficiently convicted by the Truth to have been saved and filled with the Spirit if they had received it with the heart. They were persuaded that the Old Testament
types and symbols were being fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and that the New Way was the right way. Salvation was not in the shadows, but in Christ. The Truth they heard
was confirmed by many miracles, signs and wonders, wrought in His name.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#10 - The Apostle concludes, "If they shall fall away" (literally, "having fallen away") from the clear light given to them, "it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance." They could have repented of simply turning away by neglect, but their falling away was hateful and revengeful - "seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame," or exposed Him to contempt. They renounced God's Son and His redemptive plan.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#11 - Study chapter 10:2, 6 - "If we sin wilfully (deliberately reject Jesus Christ as God's only ample and necessary sacrifice) after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more (no other) sacrifice for sins, but (the inevitable consequence) a certain fearful looking for of judgment which shall devour the adversaries." The sacrifice of Christ was enough, and God accepted no other.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#12 - They had "received the knowledge of the Truth," but not the salvation which the Truth offered. From that knowledge, they fell away, or apostatized, by rejecting it. They did not backslide from the experience of salvation and the anointing with the Holy Spirit, because of sin, or weakness in the flesh, or because of being only babes, in Christ. A sample of such falling away is recorded in Acts 7:54-59. Stephen's audience was against Christ.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#13 - They sinned wilfully. When his message cut them to the heart, they "gnashed on him with their teeth." When he said, "I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God," "they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and ran upon him with one accord and cast him out of the city and stoned him." In their wicked hearts, they crucified Christ again and put Him to open contempt.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#14 - For such folk, there is no repentance, no salvation, no hope. They committed the unpardonable sin, the sin against the Holy Ghost. Only one sin cannot be forgiven, viz., the wilful sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as the Redeemer and Savior.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#1 - Hebrews 10:26-31 - This is a solemn warning. This warning is not to saved people, but to enlightened folk who reject God's salvation, provided thru the death and resurrection of Christ. Saved people never tread the Son of God under their feet, nor count the blood of Christ an
unholy thing, tho' they may fail God. - V. 29. All men have been sanctified provisionally by Christ's death - V.10, but some reject that divine provision, as did the Jews, who insulted the Spirit of grace.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#2 - They sinned wilfully, that is, they turned away from the light and the Holy Ghost conviction. They were made to know that Jesus Christ was God's Son, whom He sent to redeem and save them, but they wilfully walked away from "the Light of the world." They looked for another one to come and offer himself up as a sacrifice for sins, therefore, Paul said, "There remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" - V. 26.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#3 - The threats of judgment and the punishment and vengeance mentioned here are for "adversaries" of Christ and His redemption. It is unworthy of the love and mercy of the God of grace to ascribe them to saved folk, who lose out and backslide. The Apostle quoted Deut. 32:35, in which we learn God's wrath expressed against His professed people the Jews. They had
provoked Him by their unbelief and rebellion, just as they did in the time of Christ and of the early church.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#4 - Similar doom awaits Christendom today, because she is apostatizing. But the judgment of God will not fall upon those who are actually born again, tho' some may be chastised for disobedience. The Christ-rejectors "die without mercy." Indeed it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God, but when king David unwisely numbered Israel and learned his grave mistake, he exclaimed, "I am in a great strait.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#5 - Let us fall now into the hand of the Lord, for His mercies are great, and let me not fall into the hand of man" - II Sam. 24:14. Jonah expresses the spirit of legality, which would consign to hell every one whom they imagine has failed the Lord. He was displeased and very angry because God spared Nineveh when she repented in sackcloth and ashes. He justified his disobedience by claiming to know that God was gracious, merciful and slow to anger
and of great kindness.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#6 - But the Lord says, "I will render vengeance to my enemies and will reward them that hate me" -Deut. 32:41.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#1 - Hebrews 6:4-6 - Remember, this Epistle was not written for Gentile backslidden believers. It was written to Hebrew Christians, that they might see Jesus Christ as the complete fulfillment of all the Old Testament types, shadows and symbols. It has no reference to backsliders today, or any day. If it did, then no backslider could ever be restored, for it reads plainly, "It is impossible to renew them unto repentance, who were once enlightened."
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#2 - There is no proof here that people may be saved and afterward lost forever. In Vs. 4 & 6, the adjective "those" and the
pronoun "they" refer to persons absent, or at a distance. "Them, they and those" always mean persons, or things spoken of, but the pronouns, "you, your and ye" (vs. 9-12) mean persons addressed, or spoken to. Do you see the difference? By these, it is plain that the writer spoke TO one company, and ABOUT another company.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#3 - Keep these facts in mind and it all will come clear. Paul was speaking to believing Hebrews, to instruct them about themselves and also about unbelieving Hebrews, who had light enough to save them if they had accepted the light. In your Bible, put a parenthesis after "those" (v. 4) and after "away" (v. 6), it should read, ("For it is impossible for those to renew them again," etc.) The 6 statements of Vs. 4 and 5 explain who "those" were and what they did.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#4 - They were "once enlightened" concerning Jesus and the Gospel, for they had heard Him and the other apostles. They were convinced that Jesus was the Messiah and that the promised Holy Spirit had been poured out. They "tasted of the heavenly Gift," that is, Jesus, who had announced Himself "the true Bread from heaven" - John 6. A taste is a very little, just enough to determine the genuineness, or palatableness of food, tho' not enough to afford nourishment.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#1 - Debbie Jo-#2b - Rueben said: That is not what Paul says :Passage 1 Corinthians 11:27-30. Rueben, we need to read from V. 18 to the end of the chapter to get the true meaning of these words. Underneath all that the Apostle wrote about the Lord's Supper, lies the great truth revealed in the first chapter of this epistle. It also is the burden of 11:1-16. The great Truth is the "oneness of Christ." Paul accused them of having "divisions among you" (v.18).
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#2 - There were some who made Peter their head, some Apollos, and some Paul - 1:10-18,2:3-5. God allows this "that they which are approved," that is, those who hold Christ as the Head and themselves as all members of the one body, "may be made manifest among you." Furthermore, these instructions are given to comfort the approved ones and to reprove and correct the erring ones. This spirit of division and selfishness became more rampant when the assembly met for the breaking of bread.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#3 - If anywhere, people show their carnality, it is in eating and drinking. The Spirit rightly calls them "gluttons," saying that they "make a god of their belly." It is awful that such a thing can be said of saints. And more strange that saints would show their carnal greed at "the Lord's Table." But so they did - Vs. 20, 21. The language of these two chapters indicates that those saints brought more than a small quantity of bread and of wine.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#4 - They actually tried to imitate the passover feast, other wise, else how could some of them make a meal of what was there, and even overeat? Notice, that there is nothing said of eating and drinking as if it were a feast unto the Lord, but they are corrected for gratifying their fleshly appetites without even considering that others may be hungry. The house of God, the Lord's Table, was no place for such.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#5 - V.20 simply means this: By your not waiting one for another, you show that you do not come together to enjoy mutual fellowship in the Spirit over the Lord's Body, but to fill your stomachs. Therefore, Paul searchingly inquires, "What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the Church of God, and put to shame them that are poor?" He insists that the Church of God is ONE, and that the poor have an equal place in this oneness.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#6 - Their conduct divided the Body of Christ, making some more worthy than others. It argued that Jesus died for individuals, and not for all the Church as one. They became "guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." Therefore they "ate and drank unworthily," because they came not in the merit of Christ alone. If they had, they would have "discerned the Lord's Body," that it is "ONE BODY," each member being as worthy as the other.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#7 - If Christ is our merit, our worthiness, there can be no distinction. "We are all one in Christ Jesus." When saints see this truth with the eye of the heart, they gladly "wait one for another," and one on another, never seeking their own, but the other's good -10:24. Many have lost respect for the Lord's Table because of religious selfishness? Some gather with saints in open communion, so to speak, but in a "closed-communion" spirit.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#8 - They say: "I will not break bread, if he does." It may not even be expressed outwardly in words or conduct, but if you do not see your brother in Christ, as accepted in Christ, you are bringing this spirit of division into the meeting. You
are saying: "I am worthy to feast, but he is not." This is what it means to "eat and drink judgment to themselves." It is those that are "weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#9 - The maintenance of the oneness of the saints insures physical and spiritual strength and health, and is a positive preventative against spiritual decay and premature physical death. They who hold this oneness, "examine themselves that they may not be judged." Let us eat and drink the Lord's Supper as one people, as one body feeding upon one life, and live every day leaning upon one Staff.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#10 - God's Word, and counting upon the sufficiency and efficiency of Jesus, "for as oft as ye eat this bread and drink this cup, ye do announce the Lord's death till He may come." Reuben, my reply to the other comments will be coming soon. It is always good to understand the conditions present when the Scriptures were written, as is the case here in Corinthians.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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OSAS #3:

Ps 94:14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

1sa 12:22 For the LORD will not forsake his people for his great name's sake: because it hath pleased the LORD to make you his people.

---trey on 12/20/07


OSAS #4:

David speaking as Christ:
2sa 23:5 "Although my house" (God's people)
"be not so with God," (they are sinners)
yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure:"
(God made a sure contract with Christ concerning salvation.)
"for this is all my salvation, and all my desire,"
This is God's/Christ's will.
"although he make it not to grow."
The number of God's elect is sure.
---trey on 12/20/07


OSAS #5:

Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
(The all is all of his elect.)
---trey on 12/20/07


OSAS #6:

My favorite:

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Are we stronger than God? Can we pluck ourselves out of the hand of God?
---trey on 12/20/07


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OSAS #7:

Ro 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Ro 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Ro 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
---trey on 12/20/07


OSAS #8:

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Who began the good work? us-NO, Christ -YES!

Cynthia, you asked for scriptures. I hope this helps.

Lord bless you dear Sister.
---trey on 12/20/07


Greetings Sister Cynthia,

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob (God's people) are not consumed.

Ps 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints, he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Ps 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.
---trey on 12/20/07


OSAS continued:

Ps 121:7 The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.

Ps 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Ps 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

Ps 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints, they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
---trey on 12/20/07


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I am very favorably impressed with the answers given by---Debbie_Jo.
---Mima on 12/19/07


Debbie Jo-#2b - By eating the Bread of life, he receives life that lives forever - John 6:58. He cannot die spiritually.


That is not what Paul says :Passage 1 Corinthians 11:27-30:

" For anyone who eats and drinks "without recognizing the body of the Lord" eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep."
---Ruben on 12/19/07


Debbie Jo-#2c - God has given us two immutable things as assurance: the hope set before us which is an anchor of the soul, and He confirmed it with an oath - Heb. 6:13-20.



Really -Passage Hebrews 10:26-27:

"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge" of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."
---Ruben on 12/19/07


Debbie Jo-#9a - Hebrews 6:4-6 has no reference to believers.


Passage Hebrews 6:4-6:

"It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, "if they fall away," to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."
---Ruben on 12/19/07


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Debbie Jo- What is Eternal life (OSAS) - II Cor. 5:17, Gal. 1:16, 2:20, John 17:2,3, I John 5:11,12,20.




"

Passage 1 John 2:24-25:

"See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us even eternal life"
---Ruben on 12/19/07


Debbie Jo-Eternal life is a love life ands Love never faileth.


How you not ever falling out of Love?
---Ruben on 12/19/07


Debbie-
#2a - Some say that OSAS gives false security. Jesus answers this in Matt. 19:29, 25:46, John 3:15,16,36, 4:14, 5:24, 6:27,40,47,54,58,68, 10:28.



Because it is... ! Cor 15:1-2"Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, "if you hold firmly" to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain."
---Ruben on 12/19/07


#7 - Once Saved Always Saved, is not the same thing as Once In Grace, Always in Grace. This is not a Scriptural expression. In Gal. 5:4, we see that legalists did indeed fall from grace. Many use the word grace as meaning being saved. We are saved by grace and falling from grace is not the same thing as losing your salvation.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


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#8 - Some say that some get saved, but perish if they dont endure to the end. Study Matt. 24:13, it refers to enduring to the end of the tribulation, and not tot he end of life. They are saved from death, it does not refer to the salvation of the soul. A mans soul is saved by faith and not by endurance.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#9a - Hebrews 6:4-6 has no reference to believers. If it does, how can backsliders ever be saved? Those verses are referring to Christ rejectors. See Hebrews 10:26-29. What is Eternal life (OSAS) - II Cor. 5:17, Gal. 1:16, 2:20, John 17:2,3, I John 5:11,12,20. Is salvation a thing or a person? Ps. 27:1, Luke 2:30. What did Jesus promise? John 3:16, 5:24,6:38,40,47,57, 10:27-29.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#9b - Could He lie? Who rejected His promise? John 10:31. What is the cause of such objections? Is it not ignorance, unbelief and hardness of heart? Johnm 6:30,60, Acts 13:46, 28:24.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#1 - Some say that the doctrine of OSAS gives liberty to commit sin. Christ Himself is eternal life. It is the infusion fo Christ unto us- I John 5:11,12,20. His nature is sinless and holy. Eternal life is a love life ands Love never faileth. You can find Jesus attitude to sin in John 3:16, 5:24, 6:27. You can also find Pauls attitude to sin in Romans 6:2,12,14,15. The Gospel delivers from sin - Romans 6:7,18,22, 8:3.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


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#2a - Some say that OSAS gives false security. Jesus answers this in Matt. 19:29, 25:46, John 3:15,16,36, 4:14, 5:24, 6:27,40,47,54,58,68, 10:28. Jesus gives many positive statements about eternal life, to disbelieve them would be making Him a liar. This life is in the believer and the believer is in this life - John 5:24. There is no possibility of any believer being lost, because Christ will raise him up at the last day - John 6:40.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#2b - By eating the Bread of life, he receives life that lives forever - John 6:58. He cannot die spiritually. If you say that you can pluck yourself out of Gods hand, doesnt that sound like conceit? The doctrine that fights against eternal life (OSAS) is a reflection on Gods love, His holiness and His plan. It is terrible to believe that god would save apoor sinner and then send him to hell.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#2c - God has given us two immutable things as assurance: the hope set before us which is an anchor of the soul, and He confirmed it with an oath - Heb. 6:13-20.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#3 - Some say that it encourages laxity and spiritual laziness. Pauls contradiction is found in Rom. 5:17,21.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


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#4 - Some say that it encourages people to do as they please. What OSAS does is it encourages the new man to please the Lord, which is his greatest desire. Our old man was crucified with Christ. Looseness of conduct is not encouraged by the Lord Jesus Christ, not by the Apostle Paul - Rom. 6:2. Satan is the originator of such false charges.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#5 - Some say that it denies all self-judgment of believers, therefore, there is no fear of God before their eyes. The Apostle Paul teaches us to judge ourselves - I Cor. 11:28-34, Rom. 6:11. We shall all appear before the judgment seat of Christ - Rom. 14:10, II Cor. 5:9-11. In Revelation we learn that Jesus is walking as Judge amidst the churches. He is examining us now. We are before His judgment seat.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


#6 - Some say that we are adopted and not born. The Greek word translated adoption means sonshipor son-placing. It refers to New Testament saints. It is a proof of the new birth - Rom.8,15, Gal. 4:5,6. It also refers to the resurrection of our bodies - rom. 8:23, and to the consummation of sonship. The same Greek word is used to express spiritual birth - John 3:3-7, Titus 3:5, I John 3:1,2,9. If we are not born of God, how do we become the children of God?
---Debbie_Jo on 12/19/07


Jesus says, "everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me", in John 6:45. These are the truly once-saved-always-saved, but we have people who just say a copy-cat prayer then plaster themselves with assurance verses...without learning personally from the Father. "Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith" (in 2 Corinthians 13:5)...to see if I have learned how to relate personally with our Father and lovingly care about all other people.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/18/07


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Once saved always saved is WRONG. In Revelation 3:5 Jesus talks about your name being blotted out of the Book of Life. How can it be blotted out unless it was there to begin with. You CAN loose your salvation.
---Leslie on 12/18/07


Cynthia
No one calls Christ Lord (in their heart) except by God and no one that is of God curses the Spirit. I believe we can not lose our salvation (John 6:39). I believe we can fall out of Gods Good Grace through Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Matthew 12:31), but if we repent we will find ourselves back in His Grace.
---Shawn.M.T on 12/18/07


Check out the above quiz, False Gospels Bible quiz.

Judas was once saved - forever lost.

Ananias and Sapphira were once saved - forever lost.

If the Holy Spirit is not convicting you of sin, are you really saved?

Without the convicting power of the Holy Spirit, you won't repent for your sin.
You may not be hearing anything, and why would that be?
---lovable_linda on 12/18/07


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