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Do Real Christians Sin

Do "REAL" Christians sin? If we have accepted Christ, and we sin after the fact, does that mean we were never saved in the 1st place? At least one blogger here claims to have not sinned since 2001. What do you make of people like this? Is it possible for us to sin without knowing it?

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"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten: for from the fruit the tree is known. Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from sin."
---Eloy on 3/5/08


I know of some people who really think they do not sin. No matter what they do, or say it isn't a sin. No matter how they treat others. That tells me that yes they are sinning, but their conscience is seared with a hot iron, like Jesus said some would. So those of you who really believe you can't and aren't sinning, how is your conscience? Has it been seared with a hot iron? 1 Tim 4:2
---Rebecca_D on 3/4/08


That blogger who says they have not sinned is a liar..They are self-righteous and is not fit for the Kingdom of God. If someone is that blind to the Word of God should not be trying to lead or advise others.He/she should read their bibles and ask the Lord for spiritual discernment.
---Robyn on 3/4/08


You better know that we sin all the time without knowing it. We are not as smart as we think we are, or as good as we think we are. We must ask for forgiveness throughout the day, or when God brings it to mind. There is not one single person on the face of this earth that does not sin every single day. However, Christians do not on purpose, habitually, loves to sin. Always asking God to help us. We still do. Please forgive us of our trespasses in the name of Jesus. AMEN.
---catherine on 3/4/08


Christians continue to sin after they are saved,we will not be free from sin until we die or Jesus comes back. However,becoming a Christian results in a changed life(2 Corinthians 5:17).A person will go from producing the acts of the flesh(Galatians 5:19-21) to producing the fruits of the Spirit(Galatians 5:22-23).This change does not happen instantly,but it does happen over time.If a person does not demonstrate a changed life,they are likely not a genuine believer.Christians can commit grievous sins.
---Court7646 on 3/3/08




In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, the Apostle Paul describes the kind of sinful lifestyles believers are saved from. Verse 11 says, And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Notice the word were. Believers used to be like the things listed in verses 9-10, but they are not like that any longer.
---Court7646 on 3/3/08


you are right Robyn, Sin does not count against us, if it did, there could be no salvation. Jesus came to do away with sin but few Christians believe this anymore.
We are forgiven but why are we are still asking for it? ....We must believe in the work of the Cross...
---duane on 2/11/08


Christians sin everyday.PLease read I John in its entirety. This was written explicitly for Christians to put their minds at ease. This is the purpose of confession, repentance and forgiveness. WE are to do this daily because we sin daily. The sins do not count against us(if we are truly saved) because once saved(sincerely) we become the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Jesus death on the cross has paid for our sins that we will ever commit.
---Robyn on 2/11/08


Nah----sinning does not mean we were never saved, in the first place. Consider how John worshiped that angel (Revelation 19:10) while receiving the vision of Revelation. John was a Christian, I would say (o:

And it looks like Jesus needed to tell him not to be afraid of Him (Revelation 1:17) > "There is no fear in love" (in 1 John 4:18) > to me, this means John sinned by fearing Jesus, but he was a Christian, at that time.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/10/08


I think that's for whimsy and controversy more than anything else.
Christians sin and God gives us the gift of repenting. That is the best gift, forgiveness from God for our sin and forgiving others for the sins they commit against us.
---Cindy on 2/10/08




I ignore all personal details that overlap on top of each other, while more intricate details are applied to cover up the first ones and it requires a Philadelphia lawyer to straighten out the sorted and grandiose details.
I'm cutting straight to the chase because I see clearly right through the smokescreens, self advertisements and/or pathology behind it.
---Cindy on 2/10/08


I agree with Rebecca, everybody sins except Jesus. I believe this because thats what it says in the Bible.
---sue on 2/10/08


Alien_Passthrough:

Martin Luther once said "You can't stop a bird from flying overhead, but you CAN stop it from building a nest in your hair".

This means that you can't stop bad thoughts from entering your head briefly. But you CAN keep from dwelling on them constantly and letting them fester into something unhealthy that will cause problems later.
---StrongAxe on 2/10/08


There isn't a person on this earth that hasn't sinned (except Jesus). Everyone sins. When a Christian sins and knows it, we have a Father who forgives us if asked. But as for the sinner they must first be one of his before they can ask for forgiveness. A person who says they haven't sinned for a while, is only fooling themselves.
---Rebecca_D on 2/9/08


Tina,

Your post goes against the teaching of John. (1 John 3:6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
---Mr._Graham on 1/5/08


Sinning,does not mean we are not christian,only that we have made a mistake.We need only to ask Father God for his forgiveness and try our best not to sin again. Be Blessed,tina8476
---tina8476 on 1/2/08


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Mat7 Beware of false prophets,which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Ye shall know them by their fruits.Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
---Alien_Passthrough on 1/2/08


I am curious as to what is a "real" christian? No where in the bible does it differentiate or identifies a "real" christian. If you get into the habit of labeling a christian as real or not, you positioning yourself as one who judges and that is not our lane.
---Shanna on 1/1/08


Referring to 1 John 3:6-8 by J. David Hoke: These Scriptures also teach us that a habitual sinful lifestyle is a characteristic indicator that a person does not know Christ as Savior and Lord. Now what is in view here is not a sin here and there. The teaching of these Scriptures is not that an act of sin indicates that one is not a believer....He is not talking about a sin here and there but about a worldview or lifestyle that integrates and excuses sin.
---Alien_Passthrough on 1/1/08


I had a debate with one in myspace, who believes that a Christian, who struggles against sin, is not saved and has no the Holy Spirit in him/her. I found out later that his definition of sin is different from that of most of us. He believes only those obvious crimes are sins. He doesn't believe, for example, a bad thought is sin.
---Alien_Passthrough on 1/1/08


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Hbr 12:4-6 "In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.".

God's children still struggle against sin.
---Alien_Passthrough on 1/1/08


(1 John 3:6-8) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
---Mr._Graham on 12/30/07


Yes, even "real" christians sin. We are still in our sinful flesh, but, our spirit is redeemed by Jesus Christ. Until the Lord comes back to claim His bride all will continue struggling with their flesh. We must strive to remain pure in our actions, knowing that, if we fail we do have an advocate with the Fathetr, Christ Jesus.
---tommy3007 on 12/28/07


Duanne ... I reckon you still sin ...I I were a gambling man, I would put a million it.
What the Cross means is that our sins are forgiven and we are clean when presented before God.
To answer the original question, we are perfect when presented to God, and our sins, both already committed, and which we are still to commit, are forgiven.
---alan_of_UK on 12/27/07


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Yes they do.But it shall come to pass that
it shall not be in true Christians.
This shall take place during the time-span of the first of the 7 hidden seals of
revelation's that shall be open by the lamb
of God.This activity shall bring forth thr 11 of the 12 major occurrences of the
Almighty God.
---Jack_8773 on 12/24/07


J- "Do real Christians sin?"

Christians are born sinner as stated in this verse.

Adam and Eve sinned and thus brought sin into the world and their sins passed on to their children. (Genesis 3:1-7)
---Sheila on 12/24/07


Strange blog...Seems most believe what the bible says BEFORE the Cross(through adam all are sinners}.Does anyone believe what AFTER the Cross means?(We were made righteous) and proclaiming Christians are still calling themselves sinners..This is lack of faith in the work of the risen Son of God..(Sad)
---duane on 12/21/07


It is interesting that the Jews believed that Jesus was a sinner. It is also interesting that Paul said (not Jesus mind you) it is impossible to be sinless (flesh evil and spirit good). This was, and still is Gnostic. Therefore no one is actually SAVED until they are sanctified. Having said that, while you are seeking truth you will probably be saved, just don't turn and seek lies.
---Dr._Rich on 12/21/07


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Whom do you think you decieve when you say that you have no sin? You decieve yourself. You do not decieve God, your neighbors or your friends. John says that the truth is not in someone like this because they cannot see that they are a sinner and that they have not reached the place of perfection. Many people are trying this route in their effort to bridge the gap between themselves and God. You cannot bring God down to your level, and you cannot bring yourself up to His level.
---Cynthia on 12/20/07


First of all, Paul said it is no longer I that sinneth but sin that wars in my members. WHen we accept Christ He will lead and guide us into all truth. so when we sin He reveals it to us that we may turn from it. As for the one who has not sinned since 2001, the biggest mistake was to boast of your not sinning.
---jody on 12/20/07


If it has been that long since you sinned then you should be raising the dead and healing the blind and causing the deaf to hear and all sorts of things that Christ did, or you should be gone home to be be with the lord so there is no chance of your falling away. as it is written "for the elct's sake those days shall be shortened".
---jody on 12/20/07


#1 - Yes, "REAL" Christians sin. As long as we dwell in this body of humiliation we will sin from time to time, not because we want to, but because sin dwells in the flesh. That is the reason for the battle between the Spirit and the flesh as seen in Rom. 7. Even Paul in that stage of his own spiritual growth didn't understand why he did those things he didn't want to do and didn't do what he should do.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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#2 - To the one that says that they haven't sinned since 2001, that is true in the New Creation or New Man, but I am sure it can't be said of the the old man. We all sin knowingly and unknowingly, but always keep in mind that there is no sin in the New Creation. Read Romans 6,7,8. We find that Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, He didn't take it out, He condemned it.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#3 - It also says that we were crucified with Christ, that happened 2000 years ago and it became a fact, whether we realize it or not, when we accepted Christ as Savior. The Father knew in His infinite wisdom that we,by no means in ourselves, could live a pure and holy life. Therefore, He provided a way for us to remain holy from the time of our New Birth in Christ.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#4 - That is to say, the more we reckon with the Father that our old man is dead and that we are alive in Christ - Gal. 2:20, the more it becomes a reality in our experience. The more we walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh, the more we submit oursleves unto the will of the Father, the more Christ like we will become. The Father knows of the sin that dwells in the flesh and He has made provision for it.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


#5 - When you fall, don't beat yourself up, just get up , look up, and get back on the race track that Philippians talks about. God is on your side and you are more than a conqueror through Christ.
---Debbie_Jo on 12/20/07


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Behold,I was shaped in iniquity and in SIN did my mother conceive me Plasms 51:5.
As long as we are in this fleshly body we are subject to sin.
The flesh is not subject to the word.
The WORD says ALL HAVE SIN.
We are who we are SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE THHROUGH FAITH IN JESUS.What do sinners do.

There is a real world that believers live in,that most of us try to please our savior, but fall short sometime,Thank God for mercy and His grace.
---LIONEL on 12/20/07


The word says the creature was made subject to vanity.
He must increase and we must decrease.
We sin along the way and must repent.
Anyone that claims not to sin or says Christians don't sin needs to sit back down and learn before posting on these sites.
One sinner destroyeth much good.
That includes saints and preachers.
Not just the lost.
Frank
---Frank on 12/20/07


Was John writing to REAL Christians when he said, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us"?
---Jack on 12/20/07


What do you think of John who we understand wrote Revelation? John was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev. 1:10), receiving the vision of Revelation, and an angel of God had just spoken to him, "And I fell down at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'See that you do not do that!'" (in Rev. 19:10) John sinned by worshiping an angel, right while being trusted with Revelation. Do you think John was a real Christian? Did he know better than to worship an angel?
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/20/07


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What a wonderful blogger(someone take his picture and put it on the wall). Nevermind that his belief he has not sinned since 2001 makes God out to be a liar. Scripture 1st. John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Notice the word have, not had but have, which is present tense. What do I think, I think he practicing self-deception. Can we sin without knowing it? Certainly!!!
---Mima on 12/20/07


That's the lie of OSAS.
John tells us to repent of our sins, but for the OSAS, that means only one time.

If you really do have the Holy Spirit, you will repent of your sin and you will know exactly what you are repenting of. The Holy Spirit will convict you, and to say that you are unaware of what your sins may be is to deceive yourself. All have sinned and fallen short. We must die daily to the temptations to sin. When we fall short, repent.
---lovable_linda on 12/20/07


Christians sin, they do.

Some hate their husbands and it makes them feel better just saying the words, "I hate him, I hate him", that's sin.
Some hate their bosses, that's sin.
We have to repent and forgive.
---lovable_linda on 12/20/07


everybody sins, saved or not. It doesn't matter who you are. The difference is that since we are saved we repent for our sins and we try not to repeat those sins. But we are still humans and not perfect.
---mary on 12/20/07


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Yes real Christians sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The human in fallen form IS SIN and being under the very condemnation of physical death (yes Christians die too) is evidence that we are sinners.

A humble (real) Christian would never make such a boast to draw attention to him/herself.
---scripture on 12/20/07


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