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Why Is Saturday Sabbath Binding

A question for those who believe in the Saturday Sabbath as binding under the new dispensation: Just what exactly, according to the Bible, is involved in keeping the Sabbath holy? Please give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.

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Caine offered to God herbs that God did not ask for. Abel offered a Lamb just as God had asked. Caine hated Abel for doing exactly as God had asked. Do Adventist do exactly as God has asked in Keeping the 4th Commandment exactly as God gave it? So why are you angry with them lee? God gave 10 Clear Commandments.
---SeventhSeal on 3/7/08


jerry6593, no apologies necessary ...hey sometimes I cut and paste so much to fit this crazy 85 word limit when I read my posting (when it gets posted) I sometimes even question what I wrote!!

Dear Mods, may we please have a 100 word limit per posting - pretty please!!!
---Rhonda on 2/24/08


Rhonda: My apologies. It would seem that we are in complete agreement.
---jerry6593 on 2/21/08


jerry6593
I was hoping my previous posts would clarify I apologize ....I never said I believed Gods Laws were old and worn out ...I was using this as an example of what many people believe about Gods Laws today because His Laws were given in the OT ...many believe (and justify) the Sabbath is some old law ....using the old law as an excuse to not obey today

Although it's clear God's Laws are forever (including the Sabbath) many use the reasoning that it is an old law
---Rhonda on 2/20/08


I see humans as inherently autistic when it comes to a relationship with God. Thus Jesus came. First the human being had no relationship with God and needed to have rules. Jesus came and brought a relationship and now people say 'Let's throw away the rules.' I can understand why Satanists might like that, but I find it hard to understand why Christians cannot see the danger in it.
---frances on 2/20/08




The Sabbath was made for man ...I don't see where Gods Word says (just for) the Jew?

Mark 2:27-28 The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

BTW Jews are STILL Gods People ...the established church government wanted to seperate themselves from Jews starting the anti-semetic hatred.
---Rhonda on 2/20/08


Rhonda: Your response made no sense to me, so I'll repeat the question.

Rhonda: You spoke of "God's old worn out laws." Just exactly which laws would those be? Did Jesus say that His laws were old and worn out? Is God old and worn out too? Please provide scriptural justification for your statements.
---jerry6593 on 2/16/08
---jerry6593 on 2/20/08


Lee, does your significant other ask for time alone with just them? God does, in fact He likens His relationship with a believer as a marriage, and all that that implies. Knowing in an intimate way that can only be cultivated by time with Him. That is the purpose of the 7th day Sabbath. A day of intimate communion of His choseing, not ours.
---dan on 2/20/08


Rhonda - *the majority rationalize observing Gods Sabbath of the Bible is wrong...*

Not true as the majority of those that know the Bible realize the Lord honors worship on any day and even holds one may esteem one day over others or none at all. Romans 14 is very clear on that.

The Adventists & other Sabbaterians are incorrect in insisting that Christians must observe the OT Sabbath primarily on the ground there is virtually nothing in the New Covenant that commands Sabbath observance.
---Lee on 2/19/08


Lee, you should check my posts on my profile. I am not affiliated to any denomination and don't intend to be. I just read my Bible properly and not just pick and choose the bits that I want to, that suit the current state of the world. Jesus was a good Jew,
---frances on 2/19/08




Lee, Jesus said 'I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ' Matt 5.18,19
---frances on 2/19/08


Matt 5.20 'For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.'
---frances on 2/19/08


frances -*Let us just stick to what God intended, shall we?*

That is what I have been attempting to do and I thank the Lord for the light of Scripture He has given to me.

Yes indeed we should stick to what God intended, and not follow the erroneous teachings of some farm boy turned preacher who falsely predicted the return of Christ (22 October 1844) or of his followers who have been found lacking in the knowledge of the truth.
---Lee on 2/19/08


frances - *his Chosen People. They have to keep both the O.T. and N.T.*

Both the New & the obsolete Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:13) with its 600+ laws? Not at all true!

Seems that is what Paul was preaching against in Galatians 4 about the 2 sons of Abraham - one representing the covenant of Mt. Sinai bearing children to slavery, the other representing Jerusalem above bearing children that are free.

You are from either children from Mt. Sinai or of the promise, you cannot be both.
---Lee on 2/19/08


No, Lee. The Jewish-God relationship is a picture of how God relates to his Chosen People. They have to keep both the O.T. and N.T. I would love to believe your side, as it is so much easier. But with the O.T. a daily study of it will let you see where all the world's problems originiate. It is in our performing of things contrary to the Old (and New) Testament. Jesus never contradicted the first four Commandments. His life was spent obeying them more fully than the Pharisees did Matthew Ch 5
---frances on 2/19/08


Lee, since the Church has proved to be far less than obedient to the purposes of the Bible for centuries including the Spanish Inquisition (as a mere example) which continues to this day under another guise....I would not expect Church History to be on God's side at all. Let us just stick to what God intended, shall we? For that you have to be an obedient O.T. student. Not just N.T. or you will be unable to SEE as Jesus saw.
---frances on 2/19/08


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NT refers to Gods Sabbath but only a ratinalized adult prefers majority of sunday worship

the majority rationalize observing Gods Sabbath of the Bible is wrong because there is just no way all these sunday worshipers could ALL be wrong -

because the majority rules in the laws of the land (mans world) dismissing the Sabbath and observing Sunday is deemed right in their own eyes ..and their traditions allow them to feel redeemed in Christ while ignoring the laws of God
---Rhonda on 2/19/08


1)God is not a liar or a Spirit of contradiction ...to deliberately ignore Gods Plain Truth because those who worship the sun god on Sunday believe the word Sabbath that God commanded in the OT as the 7th day a day of rest has now been changed to their sunday.

Just like the Pharisees of the OT ignoring God with their own rules of the Mosiac - Sunday Worshipers do the same in the NT deliberately ignoring God so they can keep their traditions
---Rhonda on 2/19/08


2)But even though Mark 4-9 speaks of the Pharisees ...the Pharisees didn't want to let go of their power and their ways ...flash forward to present time ...as Solomon says there is nothing new under the sun ...and mankind who turn their backs on God today are no different then the Pharisees of Jesus age ...always thinking it applies to someone else ...reasoning away Gods Plain Truth in favor of their Sunday tradition ...why be different stay within the majority of Christianity (the wide gate)
---Rhonda on 2/19/08


frances - *Why don't you recommend Christians take their Bibles and rip out two thirds of it, If it is meaningless to you ...*

But it is not meaningless since the OT gives an understanding of the New & the gospel message.

I can understand your frustration but Adventism's unique viewpoints cannot be defended either from Scripture or church history.

The OT Sabbath has meaning only for the Jews as it reflects back to the exodus out of Egypt. (do read Dt. 5:15)
---Lee on 2/19/08


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Thanks Rhonda - Hebrews 4, very powerful. Although a Sabbath Keeper again, still had questions. That set it right and clear.
---dan on 2/19/08


Why don't you recommend that all Christians take their Bibles and rip out two thirds of it, then, Lee. If it is meaningless to you I am sure that would make you feel better. As for me, I believe in the Old and New Testaments. Follow those and you won't go wrong - especially follow the prophets.
---frances on 2/19/08


The question on this thread is whether the OT Sabbath is binding on Christians. The answer simply lies in whether Christians are under the Old Covenant or under the New.

I hold the church is under the New Covenant. And as a covenant is a binding agreement we do not see anything in the New Covenant that commands the observance of the OT Sabbath. That fact alone should settle the issue.
---Lee on 2/18/08


Adventists need the OT as they cannot find even a hint of a command for Sabbath observance in the NT.

They believe one must observe selected OT laws in order for salvation. They however, are really unable to understand God made a New Covenant with His people that includes all who would believe in Christ.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Adventists chose the law while Christians chose the grace & truth that came by Jesus Christ.
---Lee on 2/18/08


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Jerry6593 my response to your post on 2/16

My post 2/7, deleted words to fit 85 word limit ...Pam pointed out 2/8 ...2/10 I corrected

Many Christians today believe OT is ancient book written for people of another time including the laws God gave forever.

God sanctified the 7th day in Genesis (Gen 2:2,3)

Exodus 20:8,11 God commanding His people to remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy - because they forgot while in captivity following the heathen ways of Egypt.

Matt 12:8
---Rhonda on 2/18/08


*People seem to think that after Jesus came, was crucified, rose again the entire Torah was done away with and no longer has any bearing on our lives.*

You need to understand what the significance of the veil in the temple being rent in twain at the death of Christ on the Cross. Mt.27:51,Mk.15:38, Lk. 23:45

It meant that man could directly approach the very Presence of God that was only thru intermediaries previously.
---Lee on 2/18/08


Lee: It's so easy to get you going!
---jerry6593 on 2/18/08


Yeshua came to fulfill the law of sacrifice. HE BECAME the sacrific for us. That meant there no longer had to be animals sacrificed for sins being forgiven. G-d said in Genesis, he would send a Redemmer. People seem to think that after Jesus came, was crucified, rose again the entire Torah was done away with and no longer has any bearing on our lives. The first believers were Jews and continued to worship on Sabbath. And, wouldn't we all be so much healthier if we kept the Biblical food laws!
---Gophylann on 2/17/08


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Jerry - *He [Jesus]was an Adventists*

I can see how crazy some people get when it comes to their silly indefensible religious beliefs.

Perhaps we should leave you alone as you appear to be on the very edge of some sort of mental insanity.
---Lee on 2/17/08


Lee: Jesus believed that the OT was binding on the church. Why else would He have quoted from it so much? Oh, that's right, He was an Adventist as well!!!!
---jerry6593 on 2/17/08


Adventists in believing the OT Sabbath was binding on the church need to declare that the early church of the 1st & 2d centuries was in error, that the early church became corrupt.

But this kind of accusation is common among other cults who believe that God gave them so kind of authority toreform the church from the errors of its way. In doing so, they essential find the Holy Spirit guilty of failing to shepherd His church.
---Lee on 2/16/08


Rhonda: You spoke of "God's old worn out laws." Just exactly which laws would those be? Did Jesus say that His laws were old and worn out? Is God old and worn out too? Please provide scriptural justification for your statements.
---jerry6593 on 2/16/08


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1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---jerry6593 on 2/11/08


Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of ALL.

Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto ALL thy commandments.
---jerry6593 on 2/11/08


Pam ...thank you for pointing out my omission which was *as people who are*

...often contempt is written towards Jews, especially the SDA's, others who keep the Sabbath - as people who are holding onto God's old worn out laws ...

the remaining part of my post I quoted Hebrews 4 which is a chapter devoted to the day of rest - the 7th day - which is Gods Sabbath ...and by choosing Heb 4 I was using the NT to point to the cahpter that says Gods Sabbath is still binding...
---Rhonda on 2/10/08


Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
---jerry6593 on 2/9/08

Amen!

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God, and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man" Eccclesiastes 12:13
---Gina7 on 2/9/08


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Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
---jerry6593 on 2/9/08


Rhonda:Thrown out God's old worn out laws: Did you not know, the old worn out laws your talking about is God Himself? Did you also not know that He is the Word and made flesh and dwelt amongst men John 1:1,2,14?Did you not know that these laws are a transcript of His holy character we all need to conform to to be Christ like 2Cor3:2,3? SDAs dont do such to Jews as you so said..
---pam on 2/8/08


God's people keep the Sabbath ...often contempt is written towards Jews, especially the SDA's, others who keep the Sabbath - holding onto God's old worn out laws ...Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath - the God of the Jews ...then many speaking of the Sabbath as if were a grievious task given by a task master ...Hebrews 4 discusses the Sabbath in detail ...many thanks to Jew-D, Dr Rich, others who bring their knowledge here quoting from Gods Word ...helping me grow and learn more everyday
---Rhonda on 2/7/08


Mark 2:26-28

The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and while you're spending years blogging about the correct day, the Lord of the Sabbath tells you to step forward. Mark 3:3

Steeping yourself in the traditions of man doesn't make you holy or gain you favor with God. Traditions of man are over. Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath, you should be more concerned that He lives inside of you.
---Cindy on 2/6/08


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The day you observe, or worshipping the showbread will not heal you or save you.
Let Jesus Christ heal your mind from worshipping the tradition more than the Lord of the Sabbath.

Jesus paid the ultimate price, the traditions of man are over, especially for a Christian.
That veil of tradition was rent in two from top to bottom by Jesus Christ. Jesus is no longer on the Cross. Put your tradition away.
---Cindy on 2/6/08


I would say God's Sabbath is bonding, not binding. There is no bondage associated with it. Where the Spirit of the Lord there is liberty. We celebrate God's creation, His rest-our peace with Him through Christ and future millinuem reign. It's a weekly festival with God that bonds those wh do it.
---yochanon on 2/6/08


One of the Ten Commandments, the world's fitst "bill of rights", and God takes that right unto Himself for His people to spend at least the Sabbath which God ordained unto Himself for you to keep it Holy. How come? Because God has the right to expect from His people's their undivided attention on at least one day a week. Not to forget obedience unto Him. Case close.
---catherine on 2/6/08


I responded to this, but my response did not get posted. I did not say or write anything on this blog. You must mean Gina7 ?
Gena
---Gena on 2/6/08


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No Gena, it is you who is saying, "In your name I have done wonderful works" you think by keeping the law it will give you a free pass. As a matter of fact it is a good passage you put down, because you just showed that just because a person say's he has done a lot of works, he is now deserving of salvation. You need to be born again of the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. And believe that the Works of Christ has set you free. Free from the law.
---Mark_V. on 2/4/08


I have known the Lord for over 40 years, read the entire Bible at least 15 times, taken college level courses in theology, been active in a Bible distributing society, done jail ministry, held different church offices,etc.Lee 1/31/08

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, ..in thy name done many wonderful works? And then I will say profess unto them "I never knew you, ye that work iniquity" Mat7 22,23 Iniquity is sin, teaching against the Sabbath
---Gina7 on 2/2/08


*You have been warned and informed about the True 7th Day Sabbath, you will not be able to plead ignorance on Judgement Day.*

It is doubtful that I could plead ignorance of His word, perhaps I should be the one to warn you?
---Lee on 1/31/08
Warn about what? Being obedient to God may lead to salvation? Because the disobedient who work iniquity are not saved.
---Gina7 on 2/2/08


Whoever said there is no scripture that makes Saturday Sabbath binding...this might be true but Paul says we Christians are to continue to meet together. This implies that the first Church did meet regularly and I would not assume it was Sunday. Lack of verses might mean that no change was expected or allowed.
---frances on 2/2/08


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Gordon - *That Covenant made at Mt. Sinai was for ALL OF GOD'S PEOPLE, NOT JUST FOR HIS PEOPLE WITH "JEWISH BLOOD".*

You really need to study the Scripture in more detail.

Dt.5:3,5,6 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today....I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

Perhaps you need a better mentor?
---Lee on 2/1/08


*Please show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus said there was a "New Covenant" (other then Luke since he was a follower of Paul)?*

We will never agree on this one as Christians including myself believe the Spirit of Jesus worked thru Paul, Luke, John, and others to pen the New Testament.

Your dispute is really with one of the basic premises of the Christian church.
---Lee on 2/1/08


rs - *You still have not answered the question as to why the Ark of the Covenant appears at the seventh trumpet when the temple of God in heaven is opened*

The tabernacle & its furnishing were made according to the pattern of the temple in heaven as God showed Moses. Exodus 25.

And I can see that those who have seriously studied the Adventist sanctuary theory have found too many things deficient with their belief, in fact many Adventist pastor have resigned as a result.
---Lee on 2/1/08


Lee, how come you refuse to answer "rs's" question(s)? When you ignore them it shows that you don't want to answer or that you can't answer. Please show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus said there was a "New Covenant" (other then Luke since he was a follower of Paul)? It is your and most other christian's wish that there was a New Covenant so that the bible would then FIT your/their belief.
---Dr._Rich on 2/1/08


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Lee, That Covenant made at Mt. Sinai was for ALL OF GOD'S PEOPLE, NOT JUST FOR HIS PEOPLE WITH "JEWISH BLOOD". Among the Hebrew Congregation were "strangers" (KJV), these were GENTILES who left with the ex-Hebrew Slaves to FOLLOW THEIR GOD YAHUVEH. To say that the 10 Commandments were "just for those of Jewish blood" is FALSE. REMEMBER! Anyone who is a True Follower of GOD is A SPIRITUAL JEW! And their were MANY who did NOT follow GOD at Mt. Sinai. Remember the Golden Calf?!
---Gordon on 2/1/08


Gordon - I am wondering why your stedfastly refuse to address the fact that the church is under the New Covenant & not the Old. Is it because if you hold to the view that a covenant is a legally binding agreement in which tenets are specified, you are left without any resource in defending Sabbath keeping?

If the church is obligatory to observe the Sabbath, please supply one NT verse that commands it. Hint: You cannot bec thar aint nun!
---Lee on 1/31/08


Gordon - *Even if the Early 2nd Century Church DID have Worship Service on Sundays...

If you agree with that then you really are forced into the conclusion that the Apostles & their direct disciples were the ones that instituted communal worship on Sundays - the Lord's day.

In fact, Ignatius (c.90 a.d.) was a disciple of the Apostles John and from his writings we can see that he did not observe the Sabbath nor did he promote it to the churches he supervised.
---Lee on 1/31/08


Gordon is right. In the parable of the Sower, the devil came straight away to take away the Word. In another parable the devil came at night and sowed bad seed in among the good. The conspiring to pervert the gospel began when the devil misquoted God to Adam and Eve.
---frances on 1/31/08


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rs - *You still have not answered the question as to why the Ark of the Covenant appears at the seventh trumpet when the temple of God in heaven is opened.*

See Barnes NT notes on Hebrews 9:4.
---Lee on 1/31/08


Gordon - I can easily see you refuse to address the fact that the church is under the New Covenant & not the Old.

You fail to realize a covenant is a legally binding agreement and what is not in the New Covenant of the church is not obligatory.

What you basically have is a refusal to recognize the distinctions between the Old & the New Covenant as you cherry pick certain laws from the Old not found within the New and impose them into the New. Is this not the Galatians heresy?
---Lee on 1/31/08


Gordon - *You have been warned and informed about the True 7th Day Sabbath, you will not be able to plead ignorance on Judgement Day.*

I have known the Lord for over 40 years, read the entire Bible at least 15 times, taken college level courses in theology, been active in a Bible distributing society, done jail ministry, held different church offices,etc.

It is doubtful that I could plead ignorance of His word, perhaps I should be the one to warn you?
---Lee on 1/31/08


Lee, Even if the Early 2nd Century Church DID have Worship Service on Sundays, that DOES NOT dispel the 7th Day Sabbath being GOD's PERFECT WILL for His people. One can have Church Service on Sunday and STILL observe the 7th Day Sabbath (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) as a Holy Rest Day set apart unto the LORD YAHUVEH. So, again, anyone can worship any day they want, but, it will NEVER change GOD's Will of the 7th Day Sabbath for His people. Never.
---Gordon on 1/31/08


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Lee, It doe not matter if the WHOLE WORLD regards "Sabbath" on Sunday, GOD's 7th Day Sabbath will REMAIN IN EFFECT according to HIS decree! As the Bible says, Lee, "May every man be a liar, but GOD is always TRUE" (that wasn't verbatum, but that's what it means!) You have been warned and informed about the True 7th Day Sabbath, you will not be able to plead ignorance on Judgement Day.
---Gordon on 1/31/08


lee- You still have not answered the question as to why the Ark of the Covenant appears at the seventh trumpet when the temple of God in heaven is opened. This event clearly this is future, for the saints are declared the victors over the world. The Ark contains the Ten Commandments.
What would be the rational for this event at this time?
---rs on 1/30/08


Gordon - I understand your position but God works with His creation in terms of covenants (a legally binding agreement between parties).

The OT contains several covenants but God made one with Israel alone at Mt. Sinai that was superceded by the New Covenant making the Old obsolete (Hebr.8:13).

Again, what is not in the New Covenant is not binding on the church & nothing is assumed or insinuated!
---Lee on 1/30/08


Gordon - while the RCC did make some proclamations regarding their authority over the church (4th century), almost all of the church outside of Palestine did not observe the Sabbath by the beginning of the 2d century, they simply held communal worship on Sundays by Apostolic tradition.

That is a historical fact found even by Adventist scholars (Maxwell, Strand, Bacchiocchi, et al) in their research and they offer some possible explanations.
---Lee on 1/30/08


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Lee, This is one way that the Church errors today. They continue to separate the Old and New Testaments in a perverted way. The MAIN difference between the Two Testaments is the First Advent, Life, Atoning Death, Resurrection, Ascension and Second Advent of YAHUSHUA. Other than that, the GOD of the New Testament is the SAME GOD of the Old. And He still COMMANDS the SAME LAWS AND ORDINANCES in regards to sin and Holy Living. We are not under the 600+ Mosaic laws, but we are still under the 10 Commandments.
---Gordon on 1/30/08


Gordon - *And those of the Church who no longer observed the 7th Day Sabbath at "the beginning of the 2nd Century" were WRONG for doing so,*

Those that no longer observed the Jewish Sababth were the direct disciples of the Apostles themselves. I would rather doubt that they were wrong, in view of the fact that there is no command for Sabbath observance of the church.

Frankly, it is more likely you are.
---Lee on 1/30/08


Lee1538, There are documented records of Catholic leaders ACKNOWLEDGING that the Roman Catholic church "changed" the Sabbath Day. If you will allow yourself to look this up on the 'Net, or the Library, you will find them. And those of the Church who no longer observed the 7th Day Sabbath at "the beginning of the 2nd Century" were WRONG for doing so, Lee. Just because PEOPLE no longer obey GOD's Command, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. Nor DOES IT MEAN THAT IT MEETS WITH GOD'S APPROVAL.
---Gordon on 1/29/08


The anti-Gods were opposed to the Jewish faith because they really deeply believed in God. So the above people changed the date, and later the Catholics said 'Great, now we don't have to change it.' (IE The same anti-God people). They were Sun Worshippers.
---frances on 1/29/08


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Gordon - *It's HIS Holy Day of Rest that He made for His people to observe.

It is a very simple matter of common sense reasoning that if the church was commanded to observe the Sabbath or any day as holy, you would see it commanded in the New Testament but you do not.

Anything of any importance to the church is in the New Testament as that covenant is a legally binding agreement.

All you have in the Sabbath commandment is a law from a covenant declared to be obsolete (Hebr. 8:13).
---Lee on 1/28/08


Gordon - *In Eternity, we'll be observing the 7th Day Sabbath FOREVER.*

Totally ridiculous and indefensible!

What you believe in is a re-constituted earth or a new earth that rotates every 24 hours, with a day and night.

But Scripture tells us that there will be no sun in the New earth (Rev. 22:5), as the glory of God will be the light there.

If no sun, there can be no day, and if no day, then no sabbath.
---Lee on 1/28/08


lee- The Pauline sect were following a different gosple then the one Christ taught. This gosple espoused a righteousness apart from the law (Ten Commandments). This righteousness was by faith through grace. Jesus Christ never taught this type of righteousness.
---rs on 1/28/08


#2 Israel was instructed by God to keep the Sabbath holy even before He gave them the Ten Commandments. Exodus 16:26-28 " Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, {the} sabbath, there will be none." It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. Then the LORD said to Moses, " How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My instructions?
---rs on 1/28/08


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Jew-D *Early church history proves the Sabbath was no longer observed outside Palestine by the beginning of the 2d century. Correct.

Adventists please note.
- the Roman Catholic church or Constantine did NOT change the Sabbath as clearly historical records indicate the church no longer observed the Jewish sabbath by the beginning of the 2d century.
---Lee1538 on 1/28/08


Sabbath is to be a delight. (Holy=set apart) So this day is set apart to be with family, friends and do stuff you can't do when you MUST work such as golf, hunt, fish and watch ball games. It does not say anything about worship. Perhaps this is why people don't like it. The Jews had the same problem. As for me---I LOVE IT! Just read it again in Ex.
---Dr._Rich on 1/28/08


a) Some say salvation is without works James 2:17 to 26. Even so faith if it has no works, is dead, being alone.18Yes, a man may say, you have faith, and I have works, show us thy faith without the works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.19You believe that there is one God, you do well, the devils also believe, and tremble.
---pa on 1/28/08


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