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When Did Lucifer Fall

When did Lucifer fall from Heaven? There are scripture references (Isaiah 14:11-15 and Ezekial 28:13-18) to his exile, but are there any references to when exactly this event occurred?

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I haven't yet gone through and read all the replies, but I have something to ask in relation to this. My husband believes that Satan and his angels fell from heaven and were upon the earth that God created in Genesis 1. He destroyed that earth and reformed it, which is what I think is called the gap theory. Now, he doesn't believe that millions of years went by and that is our earth now, he thinks there was a complete reforming of everything and so then the 6 days of creation follow and are 24 hour days. Everywhere I read online about the pre-adamic era talks about old earth creationism but I don't think my husband sees it that way. Anywho, hope for some clarification. Thanks...
---Kristy_A on 2/5/12


Legends, since the game is today, and the team I like lost to the Giants, I will go with New England for Tom Brady went to school about twenty miles from here and everyone here is pulling for him. And also because the Giants got lucky to even be there when the young man Kyle Willams fumbled and also should have never touched the ball that gave the Giants the win. Otherwise they were beaten.
---Mark_V. on 2/5/12


Micha, you are right, that is when the serpent fell. But it is not when satan fell. "to the serpent" the physical serpent, and the cattle and all the rest of creation were cursed (Rom. 8:20,23: Jer. 12:4) as a result of Adam and Eve's eating, but the physical serpent was uniquely cursed to being made to slither on its belly. Now snakes represent all that is odious, disgusting and low. After cursing the phyiscal serpent, God turned to the spiritual serpent, the lying seducer, satan, and cursed him also. But satan had already fell. For when he deceived Eve, he was already fallen and that is before (Gen. 3:14)
---Mark_V. on 2/4/12


Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
--This is when the serpent fell.
---micha9344 on 2/3/12


While at times we ALL don't know what we are talking about...
GOD through Daniel KNEW EXACTLY what he was talking about.
Suggestion: Read Daniel in relation to Isaiah... not MarkV and Legends! Apparently they don't know what they are talking about!
Happy Hunting!
Love Ya' MarkV!!!
Superbowl Pic?
---Legends on 2/3/12




Melissa, I totally disagree with Legends. He has no idea what he is talking about. He cannot understand that while the passages he gave talks about the king, the writer was speaking of who was working through the king.
"the serpent" the word means "snake." The apostle John identified this creature as satan (Rev. 12:9: 20:2) as did Paul (2 Cor. 11:3). The serpent, a manifestation of satan, appears for the first time before the fall of man. The rebellion of satan, therefore, had occured sometimes after (Gen. 1:31) (when everything in creation was good), but before (3:1 Ezek 28:11-15 for a possible description of satan's dazzling beauty and Is14:13,14 for satan's motivation to challenge God's authority (1 John 3:8).
---Mark_V. on 2/3/12


When did the fall of Lucifer occur as prophecied by Isaiah(not Ezekiel) in Isaiah chapter 14:11-15?
The best answer to this question you may ever get is:
Read Daniel 4:4-33
In it you will find exactly who the person Isaiah wrote about. The exact type of falling Isaiah prophecied. And when this being fell.
BUT remember this as you read... Round pegs go in round holes. Square into square. You don't have to force something into something that doesn't fit.
BTW, Ezekiel says nothing about a being named Lucifer. Assumption has married the two chapters together as if they are about the same being.
They are not.
---Legends on 2/3/12


Satan was cast down from Heaven after the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12 1-9.

He is now working out of the bottomless pit but he will arise out of the pit and be visible at the end of time. Rev. 9 1-11. Pay close attention to verse 11.
---barb on 2/2/12


/Is. 14:12-14 the law of double reference applies and it is about Satan being cast out of Heaven because of his rebellion. -Charles/

WHY? Just because you and a majority says so. Jesus doesn't confirm this. Neither does Paul, Peter, John, Ezekiel, Daniel and so on and so on.
Can't drink that punch without MUCH MORE substantial Biblical proof other than you, me or anyone other than apostles and prophets SAYING there's a double reference to an angel being named Lucifer.
Hint: You can't find it!
You wouldn't allow someone else to get away with believing something that has no Biblical backing. Use the same rules of interpretation that you demand of others please!
---Legends on 1/30/12


(No human would believe that he could physically "ascend into heaven, set his throne above the stars of God and be like the Most High.) -Charles
Correct use of the Law of double reference says JESUS believed all this about Himself.
For one to say the king of Tyre was not where Ezekiel said he was(garden, mountain, etc) is to say the initial reference to the double reference is a lie written by Isaiah and given by God.
(This earthly king was never "in Eden, the garden of God")- Charles
---Legends on 5/24/11




Charles,

the "law of double representation" does not apply to Satan nor is it even attempted to be applied except in these two passages you have used. Your understanding about what happened previous to creation, Satan's position or even if he was an angel are speculation and there are no grounds to determine them as true based on the witness of scripture. If you stand by it, that is your choice, it will not affect your relationship with the Father.
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


Gap theory is a false doctrine.
---micha9344 on 5/24/11


I am one who believes that Is. 14:12-14 refers to Satan/Lucifer by the law of double reference. No human king could have "fallen from heaven" nor was called "son of the morning" no human would believe that he could physically "ascend into heaven, set his throne above the stars of God and be like the Most High." We do not know what the earth was like before Gen. 1:3 except that it was perfect and many believe that Satan was the ruler of the origionally created earth and he rebelled because "iniquity was found in him" and the origional people over whom Satan ruled rebelled with him against God and God destroyed the earth and covered it with water. Gen. 1:2
---Charles on 5/23/11


There are some who should read Ezekial again. Have you never heard of "the law of double reference" yes there was a king of Tyre and these scriptures do refer to a king but there is also another person being referenced here, Satan, Lucifer, the devil, etc. This earthly king was never "in Eden, the garden of God" Vs 13. This earthly king was never covered with "precious stones." This earthly king was never called "the anointed cherub who covers"[ vs 14, he was never on the "holy mountain of God" vs 14 he was never known to be "perfect from the day of his creation" vs 15 he was a man and because of Adams sin this earthly king was born in sin, a sinner but all this can be said of Satan.
---Charles on 5/23/11


We do not know when Lucifer fell but it was before God re-created the earth in Gen. 1:3-2:25. The earth was destroyed sometime in the dateless past because of Satan and his rebellion. God's origional creation was perfect but we do not know how long ago that He created all things. Gen 1:1 Tells us the God created the Heavens and earth and vs 2 in the origional Hebrew it reads "and the earth 'became' without form and void" Something happened that destroyed God's origional creation of the earth and it was Satans rebellion and fall.
Is. 14:12-14 the law of double reference applies and it is about Satan being cast out of Heaven because of his rebellion.
---Charles on 5/23/11


Melissa,
The question is moot!
Ezekiel28 doesn't even mention the word Lucifer. It's about the human Tyrant, king of Tyrus. Some have speculated it's about a fallen angel and have Elmer's Glued it together with Isaiah14 inventing a doctrine about bad angels. But popular interpretation is simply mythical legend. A close reading of Ezekiel26-28 reveals a lamentation against a government and a human in it's leadership assigned, by God, to provide CHERUBIC covering in the form of governmental protection. Tyrus, much like Hitler, disobeyed the reason why God had anointed that Government to exist. It had to be judged(so did Germany).
Isaiah14 is clearly about A MAN who would be king of Babylon 100 years after the prophecy was given.
---Legends on 5/23/11


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Dlemaire is correct. Also the word satan is used in the prophets only two times, both in the same writings(Zechariah 3:1,2), and only 14 times total in the old testament, with eleven in Job. The devil never occurs.
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


So I am going to correct people before they get started lucifer in the bible is used twice once in the old testiment talking about an angel that tested man faith in god for god...and again when talking about the fall of lucifer...but geuss what the second one isnt about the angel its about a babylonian king that fell who thought is was more powerful then god...not an angel but a human king...also the word is latin for morning star or light bringer...a term given to the planet venus...so I am going to end this with geuss what the bible never says the angel lucifer fell meaning he never fell its a case of mistaken idenity
---Dlemaire on 5/19/11


.frances, I do not tell jokes very much on this forum because most people know that it is not one of my fortes. However I have "backed up" what I said by quoting the scriptures in Genesis previously.
---Eloy on 3/5/08


Eloy, how do you know that? Or is it another joke? I really don't see what it proves, except that you are privvy to information the Good Lord seems to be denying us access to. Can you back up this claim?
---frances008 on 3/4/08


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He sinned in the year 4175 B.C., early in the morning. Adam was only 19 when he was thrown out of the garden of God with his wife, and Heylel (mistranslated, Lucifer) (Gn.3:24).
---Eloy on 3/4/08


Emcee, you are old enough to be my dad. I don't think Catholics are damned, no, not at all. Especially those of your generation. I accept your apology. I likewise do not mean to be personal, but I have had a pretty rough four years on blogging and have found myself on the defensive a lot of the time. Attack is sometimes the best form of defense.
---frances008 on 3/3/08


What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satans fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satans fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the garden, Scripture does not specifically say.
---Court7646 on 3/3/08


In Genesis, on day six God said, it is good. It would not be good, if Lucifer had already fallen. So I believe the fall was after the creation. I always insert my profile name. So I will be accountable for the words I use. You know who I am and I refrain from insults.
---ian8763 on 2/21/08


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Frances :: I have a strong desire to do what is right according to my upbringing I love & respect all women who respond to kindness.But do not desire to give the wrong impression that is why I declare my age 83 (nearly) frequently.I know I have got your ire & i do say sorry but this I do in playfullness.This gets me in Hot water.Even with you.
---Emcee on 2/20/08


Emcee, I thank you for calling me a dear lady, as is fitting my age. Dear man, if you will allow me to address you as such, I was born long ago, I hardly remember the day, and soon after I was splashed with water and declared a member of the Family, from which the only escape is to apostate oneself. So I did it. I have declared in too numerous posts why I believe the RC 'Church' is actually the Synagogue of Satan. I wrote a lot in a short period of time. Now you want me to go through it all again?
---frances on 2/20/08


If you wish to blame a significant event, I think the beheading of two Jewish men made a huge impression on me, back in 2004, particularly when the widow of one of them was dropped from the radar because she did not believe Muslims had done it. She was/is a journalist I believe.
---frances on 2/20/08


Frances ::Thank you for making Honourable Mention of Emcee.If you prefer men who turn on a dime they must be wearing spiked Heels?or is that telling lies.Dear Lady if youdo not mind me addressing you as such.permit me to say,as you apostated, you would not be able to distinguish a lie from the truth,in your confused state of mind.I quote from the Bible if you recognise them.Your suggestion God plays mind control Games?if so then where is CHOICE.You still refuse to answer my question in all honesty.
---Emcee on 2/19/08


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Fran, may the Lord bless you and give you peace and calmness of soul!
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/19/08


I.S. you say no one here is dangerous. That simply is not true. There are people here who try to pervert the Bible (Emcee), speak calumny (several - they know who they are), misquote Jesus (Eloy) and disinform (tell the opposite of the truth deliberately to discredit truthsayers.) I find these people dangerous. Mind controllers.
---frances on 2/19/08


Bob ... I don't think Eloy is a woman.
---alan_of_UK on 2/19/08


That's silly. No one here is "dangerous." There is no danger in sharing differing views.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/19/08


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I have a personal acquaintance where I live named Eloy. He is a he, not a she. He is Basque.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/18/08


eh, cheese steaks? I can take 'em or leave 'em. I prefer a lighter cuisine like chinese, and I also like the spanish palate too.
---Eloy on 2/18/08


J.nonymous, Philly cheese steaks are great! I am Catholic, Eloy is anticatholic. Have you no sense of humor, or irony? God bless you. Be happy! :-)
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/18/08


Eloy is a woman.
A sad woman, but not dangerous.
---Bob on 2/18/08


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Eloy is very dangerous, I agree with Mike V. He is a pretender, and will turn on a dime.
---frances on 2/18/08


Unfortunately we know he felled. He is here causing too much trouble. It does not matter when he felled, he felled. This world and the people in it proves it, everyday.
---catherine on 2/18/08


"Eloy likes Basque food, which makes him OK in my book, even if we differ theologically".
---InimicusStultitiae

Are you serious? He sends everyone to hell he meets. Including you! Eloy's OK in your book?!?!

Eloy: I like cheese steaks. Do you like cheese steaks? Oh great! Now we can be friends!

It's OK that you think Jesus is white, you haven't sinned since 2001, and that Jesus AND YOU saw satan fall from heaven like lightning. Nope. No problem with that!
---j._nonymous on 2/18/08


Eloy, I always thought you were misguided in some area's of Scripture, in reality you are delusional. Just insane for making comments as you do not only to others but your claim to "Diety" You are the only one I heard got saved twice, that You, were the light that Jesus saw on the Cross, (that really got me) you protest that Jesus never had to clean a dirty toilet as you, now you claim you saw Lucifer fall from heaven with Jesus. I live close to Fresno, please don't move close to me.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/08


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#2. eloy: you are a very dangerous person. People need to be careful of people like you. You are capable of anything, for not many claim to be deity. David Koresh, Jim Jones did, and look where they are at. And how many people died on account of them and now you? You are dangerous.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/08


frances, you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/18/08


.markV, you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/18/08


.markV, the condemned wrongly said the same things about Jesus, yet he has risen exactly as he said he would, and all his mockers answer to him.
---Eloy on 2/18/08


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Eloy likes Basque food, which makes him OK in my book, even if we differ theologically.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/17/08


If I were the site manager I would be more choosy about the kind of comments made. The insults that are thrown in, the attempt at destroying the truth on the internet. If people cannot argue back politely, without trying to ridicule them, then they ought to be told not to come back. There are jokes that are funny, and there are some that are deliberate obfuscation of the truth. Done to try to discredit, or dis, the enemy (the truth).
---frances on 2/17/08


Seems like Michelle was right. There are almost no good Christians who regularly post on this forum.
---frances on 2/17/08


I used to support Eloy, but now I have learnt better. He is deliberately leading people on. For instance he espouses fundamentalist Christianity, but he misquoted the Bible. He even did not disguise it, using extremely bad grammar and mentioning stuff that is not in the verse (Luke 10.18) Be very careful of this poster.
---frances on 2/17/08


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Eloy, Enron caused the blackouts. They are gone, thank the Lord. My other favorite restaurant in the area is gone, the Fruit Basket in Madera. They had the BEST steaks!
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/17/08


Eloy, you many times speak truth so well, and then boom, "you come out with the most rediculous statements anyone could ever make." My goodness, you believe you are deity. You really believe it. You saw lucifer fall from heaven. I had a hunch you lived close to me, and I hope you didn't move to my town. Not even a none believer would make a remark like that. I thought you were lost, but you must be insane since no one sane would say such a thing.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/08


InimicusStultitiae, I remember well the hot spanish/mexican restaurants there. The food is really good, and the people were great. I had some really good friends back there. I wonder if movie star govenor Swarzenegar got the energy problem under control. When I lived there I remember the rolling blackouts we had, they were horrible, and many small businesses and family owned restaurants had to go out of business and pack up and leave because of it.
---Eloy on 2/17/08


Eloy, I was thinking of the Basque Hotel. Great lamb chops! I think it's on D Street.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/16/08


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.inimicusStultitiae, I no longer live in Fresno, but I believe that I ate at the Sante Fe Basque restaurant with friends more than once.
---Eloy on 2/16/08


The passages in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 don't mention Satan at all. They are hyperbolic condemnations of the kings of Tyre and Babylon. Attributing them to Satan is pure conjecture.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/15/08


Eloy, blessings! Whatever makes sense to you is okay by me. I know a GREAT Basque restaurant in Fresno!
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/15/08


Lucifer aka Satan(after the fall) fell because of his pride.
Lucifer was initially a beautiful ark angel God created. The reason he fell was because he did not render all glory and praises unto God. Whenever people praised him, he allowed it to get into his head. Eventually, pride overtook the good of him, and he felt that he was greater than God, this was the seed of rebellion. Obviously Lucifer lost and was cast down to earth.
---2_cents on 2/15/08


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.inimicusStultitiae, Both essence and location were changed. Heylel sinned, his beauty was turned to vileness, then God threw him out of heaven, and his location is now on his belly eating dirt.
---Eloy on 2/15/08


Eloy, blessings. The fall from heaven was a change in location, not a change in essence. But have it your way if you want to. You have to live with you conscience and I won't try to disturb it. Have a wonderful day!
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/14/08


.inimicusStultitiae, but it does matter, because it is the truth. I have seen him fall and Jesus has seen him fall. Jesus said, "I seen Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Luke 10:18 And I, "I was in a tower when I seen him, and I seen Leviathan fall down from heaven into the sea with a mighty splash. And I went down in the tower and looked out, and I seen the feet of the armies struggling together back and forth on the seashore."
---Eloy on 2/14/08


.inimicusStultitiae, "Therefore rejoice, heavens, and you all that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time." Revelation 12:12.
---Eloy on 2/14/08


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There are no references to when Lucifer rebelled (millions of years prior to mankind)

In Genesis God renews the earth (it already existed) where many Christians believe God created earth in Genesis

God renewed the earth because during the time Lucifer was given earth with his 1/3 of Gods Angels he rebelled and destroyed earth - God changed his name to Satan after his rebellion ...Satan still rules the earth until Christ returns to set up His Kingdom
---Rhonda on 2/14/08


Eloy, God bless you. Whether or not Satan fell or is Lucifer, it doesn't matter to humans. Whatever he is, he is the Bad Guy.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/13/08


Moses seems to place it between the second and third chapters of Genesis. Also see: Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. >>>Fall to the ground. you need to understand. Perhaps Belshazzar [the devil], was projecting an expedition to Jerusalem at the time when God cut him off. It seems most likely that Isaiah is using the fall of Satan, which is an assumed fact, to illustrate the fall of the Babylonian king. In any case, we are given a clear picture of the certain destruction that always follows pride.
---catherine on 2/13/08


.inimicusStultitiae, your email name is too long, and you lie: for heylel, satan, the devil, diablo, the serpent, beelzebub, the destroyer, the adversary, the accuser, the liar, the murderer, etc. are all the same.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


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.inimicusStultitiae, satan was thrown out, and as he was thrown out he fell down down down down down, spl-a-a-ash! flat on his back. satan's a loser, and all those whom choose to follow him likewise become losers: for when the blind lead the blind, both fall in the ditch.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


Lucifer is not Satan. Satan never "fell." Scripture says, "He was a murderer from the beginning."
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/12/08


pt.1 of 2: Heyelel (mistranslated, lucifer) was the serpent in the garden. He sinned in the year 4175 B.C., early in the morning. Adam was only 19 when he was thrown out of the garden of God with his wife and Heyelel (Gn.3:24).
---Eloy on 2/12/08


pt.2: Adam 19 when Cain and Abel born (Gn.4:1,2), Cain & Abel 20 when sheep-herding, farming, sacrificing, and Abel murdered (Gn.4:3-15), 1 yr. Cain had 1st son after 9 mos. pregnancy (Gn.4:16,17), 90 yrs for 5 sons each 18 yrs old when married and had sons (Gn.4:18), Adam 130 when Seth born (Gn.4:25+ 5:3). Summation= 20 + 1 + 90= 111 yrs., and Adam at 130 yrs. had Seth, Difference= 130 - 111= 19 yrs. old Adam. And Adam was created 4194 BC. So, 4194 - 19= 4175 B.C.
---Eloy on 2/12/08


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It had to be before Adam and Eve was made. It means that this world was already wicked before Adam and Eve was made.
---anonymous on 1/3/08


"Jesus stated he saw Satan fall like lightning and the war then ceased"
Sorry Earl, I don't know my Bible well enough. What is the reference?
---alan_of_UK on 1/2/08


No, there is no exalt dates.There are 5 heavens to His Godhead[The Almighty's].
Satan was cast out into the 2nd of those heavens that was already preparaed for him.
This event occurred and begain the 2nd of the 12 major occurrences of His Godhead.
The creation of Adam and Eve brought forth the time-span of the 3ed of those 12 major
events.
---Jack_8773 on 12/24/07


Hi melissa, as far as I know the Bible does not give us an exact date as to when Lucifer fell, but he had to be cast out of Heaven before God created Adam and Eve. How else would he have borrowed the body of the serpeant to tempt Adam and Eve? God Bless!
---Cynthia on 12/24/07


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greetings.The war in heaven was in full rebellion pre adamic era and up to the moment when Jesus stated he saw Satan fall like lightning and the war then ceased.At that minute Lucifer ,Satan and the so called Prince of this world were judged.At that minute the world was saved from it's lost condition.
---earl on 12/23/07


According to Scriptures, Lucifer fell after the creation of the Earth. According to Job 38:4-7, God created Angels prior to the creation of Earth, and they all were joyful. Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden.

So here is the breakdown:

1) God created Angels.
2) God then created the Earth and Men.
3) From the point of the creation of the Earth to the point of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, Satan fell. We do not know "when" he fell in this life-span.
---Ramon on 12/23/07


The Bible says that everything God created was good. So I would think he fell after the six days of creation. It does say In Isa.14:12 that he was cut down to the ground. Thus, the ground was already there.
---john on 12/22/07


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