When Did Lucifer Fall
When did Lucifer fall from Heaven? There are scripture references (Isaiah 14:11-15 and Ezekial 28:13-18) to his exile, but are there any references to when exactly this event occurred?
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---melissa on 12/22/07
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.frances, I do not tell jokes very much on this forum because most people know that it is not one of my fortes. However I have "backed up" what I said by quoting the scriptures in Genesis previously. |
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---Eloy on 3/5/08 |
Eloy, how do you know that? Or is it another joke? I really don't see what it proves, except that you are privvy to information the Good Lord seems to be denying us access to. Can you back up this claim? |
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---frances008 on 3/4/08 |
He sinned in the year 4175 B.C., early in the morning. Adam was only 19 when he was thrown out of the garden of God with his wife, and Heylel (mistranslated, Lucifer) (Gn.3:24). |
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---Eloy on 3/4/08 |
Emcee, you are old enough to be my dad. I don't think Catholics are damned, no, not at all. Especially those of your generation. I accept your apology. I likewise do not mean to be personal, but I have had a pretty rough four years on blogging and have found myself on the defensive a lot of the time. Attack is sometimes the best form of defense. |
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---frances008 on 3/3/08 |
What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satans fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satans fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the garden, Scripture does not specifically say. |
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---Court7646 on 3/3/08 |
In Genesis, on day six God said, it is good. It would not be good, if Lucifer had already fallen. So I believe the fall was after the creation. I always insert my profile name. So I will be accountable for the words I use. You know who I am and I refrain from insults. |
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---ian8763 on 2/21/08 |
Frances :: I have a strong desire to do what is right according to my upbringing I love & respect all women who respond to kindness.But do not desire to give the wrong impression that is why I declare my age 83 (nearly) frequently.I know I have got your ire & i do say sorry but this I do in playfullness.This gets me in Hot water.Even with you. |
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---Emcee on 2/20/08 |
Emcee, I thank you for calling me a dear lady, as is fitting my age. Dear man, if you will allow me to address you as such, I was born long ago, I hardly remember the day, and soon after I was splashed with water and declared a member of the Family, from which the only escape is to apostate oneself. So I did it. I have declared in too numerous posts why I believe the RC 'Church' is actually the Synagogue of Satan. I wrote a lot in a short period of time. Now you want me to go through it all again? |
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---frances on 2/20/08 |
If you wish to blame a significant event, I think the beheading of two Jewish men made a huge impression on me, back in 2004, particularly when the widow of one of them was dropped from the radar because she did not believe Muslims had done it. She was/is a journalist I believe. |
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---frances on 2/20/08 |
Frances ::Thank you for making Honourable Mention of Emcee.If you prefer men who turn on a dime they must be wearing spiked Heels?or is that telling lies.Dear Lady if youdo not mind me addressing you as such.permit me to say,as you apostated, you would not be able to distinguish a lie from the truth,in your confused state of mind.I quote from the Bible if you recognise them.Your suggestion God plays mind control Games?if so then where is CHOICE.You still refuse to answer my question in all honesty. |
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---Emcee on 2/19/08 |
Fran, may the Lord bless you and give you peace and calmness of soul! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/19/08 |
I.S. you say no one here is dangerous. That simply is not true. There are people here who try to pervert the Bible (Emcee), speak calumny (several - they know who they are), misquote Jesus (Eloy) and disinform (tell the opposite of the truth deliberately to discredit truthsayers.) I find these people dangerous. Mind controllers. |
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---frances on 2/19/08 |
Bob ... I don't think Eloy is a woman. |
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---alan_of_UK on 2/19/08 |
That's silly. No one here is "dangerous." There is no danger in sharing differing views. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/19/08 |
I have a personal acquaintance where I live named Eloy. He is a he, not a she. He is Basque. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/18/08 |
eh, cheese steaks? I can take 'em or leave 'em. I prefer a lighter cuisine like chinese, and I also like the spanish palate too. |
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---Eloy on 2/18/08 |
J.nonymous, Philly cheese steaks are great! I am Catholic, Eloy is anticatholic. Have you no sense of humor, or irony? God bless you. Be happy! :-) |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/18/08 |
Eloy is a woman.
A sad woman, but not dangerous. |
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---Bob on 2/18/08 |
Eloy is very dangerous, I agree with Mike V. He is a pretender, and will turn on a dime. |
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---frances on 2/18/08 |
Unfortunately we know he felled. He is here causing too much trouble. It does not matter when he felled, he felled. This world and the people in it proves it, everyday. |
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---catherine on 2/18/08 |
"Eloy likes Basque food, which makes him OK in my book, even if we differ theologically".
---InimicusStultitiae
Are you serious? He sends everyone to hell he meets. Including you! Eloy's OK in your book?!?!
Eloy: I like cheese steaks. Do you like cheese steaks? Oh great! Now we can be friends!
It's OK that you think Jesus is white, you haven't sinned since 2001, and that Jesus AND YOU saw satan fall from heaven like lightning. Nope. No problem with that! |
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---j._nonymous on 2/18/08 |
Eloy, I always thought you were misguided in some area's of Scripture, in reality you are delusional. Just insane for making comments as you do not only to others but your claim to "Diety" You are the only one I heard got saved twice, that You, were the light that Jesus saw on the Cross, (that really got me) you protest that Jesus never had to clean a dirty toilet as you, now you claim you saw Lucifer fall from heaven with Jesus. I live close to Fresno, please don't move close to me. |
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---Mark_V. on 2/18/08 |
#2. eloy: you are a very dangerous person. People need to be careful of people like you. You are capable of anything, for not many claim to be deity. David Koresh, Jim Jones did, and look where they are at. And how many people died on account of them and now you? You are dangerous. |
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---Mark_V. on 2/18/08 |
frances, you will believe and say whatever you desire. |
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---Eloy on 2/18/08 |
.markV, you will believe and say whatever you desire. |
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---Eloy on 2/18/08 |
.markV, the condemned wrongly said the same things about Jesus, yet he has risen exactly as he said he would, and all his mockers answer to him. |
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---Eloy on 2/18/08 |
Eloy likes Basque food, which makes him OK in my book, even if we differ theologically. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/17/08 |
If I were the site manager I would be more choosy about the kind of comments made. The insults that are thrown in, the attempt at destroying the truth on the internet. If people cannot argue back politely, without trying to ridicule them, then they ought to be told not to come back. There are jokes that are funny, and there are some that are deliberate obfuscation of the truth. Done to try to discredit, or dis, the enemy (the truth). |
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---frances on 2/17/08 |
Seems like Michelle was right. There are almost no good Christians who regularly post on this forum. |
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---frances on 2/17/08 |
I used to support Eloy, but now I have learnt better. He is deliberately leading people on. For instance he espouses fundamentalist Christianity, but he misquoted the Bible. He even did not disguise it, using extremely bad grammar and mentioning stuff that is not in the verse (Luke 10.18) Be very careful of this poster. |
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---frances on 2/17/08 |
Eloy, Enron caused the blackouts. They are gone, thank the Lord. My other favorite restaurant in the area is gone, the Fruit Basket in Madera. They had the BEST steaks! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/17/08 |
Eloy, you many times speak truth so well, and then boom, "you come out with the most rediculous statements anyone could ever make." My goodness, you believe you are deity. You really believe it. You saw lucifer fall from heaven. I had a hunch you lived close to me, and I hope you didn't move to my town. Not even a none believer would make a remark like that. I thought you were lost, but you must be insane since no one sane would say such a thing. |
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---Mark_V. on 2/17/08 |
InimicusStultitiae, I remember well the hot spanish/mexican restaurants there. The food is really good, and the people were great. I had some really good friends back there. I wonder if movie star govenor Swarzenegar got the energy problem under control. When I lived there I remember the rolling blackouts we had, they were horrible, and many small businesses and family owned restaurants had to go out of business and pack up and leave because of it. |
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---Eloy on 2/17/08 |
Eloy, I was thinking of the Basque Hotel. Great lamb chops! I think it's on D Street. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/16/08 |
.inimicusStultitiae, I no longer live in Fresno, but I believe that I ate at the Sante Fe Basque restaurant with friends more than once. |
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---Eloy on 2/16/08 |
The passages in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 don't mention Satan at all. They are hyperbolic condemnations of the kings of Tyre and Babylon. Attributing them to Satan is pure conjecture. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/15/08 |
Eloy, blessings! Whatever makes sense to you is okay by me. I know a GREAT Basque restaurant in Fresno! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/15/08 |
Lucifer aka Satan(after the fall) fell because of his pride.
Lucifer was initially a beautiful ark angel God created. The reason he fell was because he did not render all glory and praises unto God. Whenever people praised him, he allowed it to get into his head. Eventually, pride overtook the good of him, and he felt that he was greater than God, this was the seed of rebellion. Obviously Lucifer lost and was cast down to earth. |
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---2_cents on 2/15/08 |
.inimicusStultitiae, Both essence and location were changed. Heylel sinned, his beauty was turned to vileness, then God threw him out of heaven, and his location is now on his belly eating dirt. |
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---Eloy on 2/15/08 |
Eloy, blessings. The fall from heaven was a change in location, not a change in essence. But have it your way if you want to. You have to live with you conscience and I won't try to disturb it. Have a wonderful day! |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/14/08 |
.inimicusStultitiae, but it does matter, because it is the truth. I have seen him fall and Jesus has seen him fall. Jesus said, "I seen Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Luke 10:18 And I, "I was in a tower when I seen him, and I seen Leviathan fall down from heaven into the sea with a mighty splash. And I went down in the tower and looked out, and I seen the feet of the armies struggling together back and forth on the seashore." |
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---Eloy on 2/14/08 |
.inimicusStultitiae, "Therefore rejoice, heavens, and you all that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time." Revelation 12:12. |
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---Eloy on 2/14/08 |
There are no references to when Lucifer rebelled (millions of years prior to mankind)
In Genesis God renews the earth (it already existed) where many Christians believe God created earth in Genesis
God renewed the earth because during the time Lucifer was given earth with his 1/3 of Gods Angels he rebelled and destroyed earth - God changed his name to Satan after his rebellion ...Satan still rules the earth until Christ returns to set up His Kingdom |
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---Rhonda on 2/14/08 |
Eloy, God bless you. Whether or not Satan fell or is Lucifer, it doesn't matter to humans. Whatever he is, he is the Bad Guy. |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/13/08 |
Moses seems to place it between the second and third chapters of Genesis. Also see: Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. >>>Fall to the ground. you need to understand. Perhaps Belshazzar [the devil], was projecting an expedition to Jerusalem at the time when God cut him off. It seems most likely that Isaiah is using the fall of Satan, which is an assumed fact, to illustrate the fall of the Babylonian king. In any case, we are given a clear picture of the certain destruction that always follows pride. |
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---catherine on 2/13/08 |
.inimicusStultitiae, your email name is too long, and you lie: for heylel, satan, the devil, diablo, the serpent, beelzebub, the destroyer, the adversary, the accuser, the liar, the murderer, etc. are all the same. |
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---Eloy on 2/13/08 |
.inimicusStultitiae, satan was thrown out, and as he was thrown out he fell down down down down down, spl-a-a-ash! flat on his back. satan's a loser, and all those whom choose to follow him likewise become losers: for when the blind lead the blind, both fall in the ditch. |
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---Eloy on 2/13/08 |
Lucifer is not Satan. Satan never "fell." Scripture says, "He was a murderer from the beginning." |
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---InimicusStultitiae on 2/12/08 |
pt.1 of 2: Heyelel (mistranslated, lucifer) was the serpent in the garden. He sinned in the year 4175 B.C., early in the morning. Adam was only 19 when he was thrown out of the garden of God with his wife and Heyelel (Gn.3:24). |
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---Eloy on 2/12/08 |
pt.2: Adam 19 when Cain and Abel born (Gn.4:1,2), Cain & Abel 20 when sheep-herding, farming, sacrificing, and Abel murdered (Gn.4:3-15), 1 yr. Cain had 1st son after 9 mos. pregnancy (Gn.4:16,17), 90 yrs for 5 sons each 18 yrs old when married and had sons (Gn.4:18), Adam 130 when Seth born (Gn.4:25+ 5:3). Summation= 20 + 1 + 90= 111 yrs., and Adam at 130 yrs. had Seth, Difference= 130 - 111= 19 yrs. old Adam. And Adam was created 4194 BC. So, 4194 - 19= 4175 B.C. |
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---Eloy on 2/12/08 |
It had to be before Adam and Eve was made. It means that this world was already wicked before Adam and Eve was made. |
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---anonymous on 1/3/08 |
"Jesus stated he saw Satan fall like lightning and the war then ceased"
Sorry Earl, I don't know my Bible well enough. What is the reference? |
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---alan_of_UK on 1/2/08 |
No, there is no exalt dates.There are 5 heavens to His Godhead[The Almighty's].
Satan was cast out into the 2nd of those heavens that was already preparaed for him.
This event occurred and begain the 2nd of the 12 major occurrences of His Godhead.
The creation of Adam and Eve brought forth the time-span of the 3ed of those 12 major
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---Jack_8773 on 12/24/07 |
Hi melissa, as far as I know the Bible does not give us an exact date as to when Lucifer fell, but he had to be cast out of Heaven before God created Adam and Eve. How else would he have borrowed the body of the serpeant to tempt Adam and Eve? God Bless! |
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---Cynthia on 12/24/07 |
greetings.The war in heaven was in full rebellion pre adamic era and up to the moment when Jesus stated he saw Satan fall like lightning and the war then ceased.At that minute Lucifer ,Satan and the so called Prince of this world were judged.At that minute the world was saved from it's lost condition. |
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---earl on 12/23/07 |
According to Scriptures, Lucifer fell after the creation of the Earth. According to Job 38:4-7, God created Angels prior to the creation of Earth, and they all were joyful. Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden.
So here is the breakdown:
1) God created Angels.
2) God then created the Earth and Men.
3) From the point of the creation of the Earth to the point of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, Satan fell. We do not know "when" he fell in this life-span. |
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---Ramon on 12/23/07 |
The Bible says that everything God created was good. So I would think he fell after the six days of creation. It does say In Isa.14:12 that he was cut down to the ground. Thus, the ground was already there. |
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