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Are Christmas Trees Pagan

I find it so ironic that these Christians claim it is o.k. to have Christmas trees because it is what is in their hearts that matters, but obviously if they are fighting and defending then obviously those trees are in their hearts as it was with the pagans. Are Christmas trees pagan?

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Hi, again, Rhonda--

I didn't realize you were quoting, which is why I addressed you directly. Sorry about the confusion.
---Nancy on 7/16/08


Hi Nancy, thanks for all your info ...have no clue why you felt the need to address me specifically ...I could have told you all that if I wanted to get technical ...didn't make any comments about the date itself only quoted someone elses comments but thanks anyway ...hopefully your not part of the crowd that is aware of all these pagan practices but continues to observe them wrapping Christ up in them anyways
---Rhonda on 7/15/08


Hi, Rhonda--

Just FYI--the winter solstice varies as to its date from year to year. It's usually on the 21st, 22nd, or 23rd. (And it's in June in the Southern Hemisphere.)

Also, since it is an astronomical phenomenon, it really is incorrect to call the solstice itself Pagan, though you are generally correct in calling the *celebrations* that.

Also, the start of spring is the *equinox*, which is three months after the winter solstice, and when most Pagans actually celebrate the coming of spring.
---Nancy on 7/14/08


Well yes, Actually the Christmas Tree is Pagan in fact as are Christmas lites on your house.
That practice stemmed from the ancient Pagan tradition of placing candles in your windows to signify that you are burning the Yule log for the 12 days of Yule
You see, the Yule Tree is where the Yule Log comes from.
---D.C. on 7/13/08


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I found out a few years ago that christmas was a hoax. I really was devistated to find out the truth, that their is no real b-day for christ and instead i was celebrating some pagan idol. I hate christmas now and if i had a choice i burn every "christmas" i could like i would burn any idol. Not pointing any fingers but the roman catholic church is to blame for this, they wanted to convert as many pagans as possable to christ so they agreed with them to make a day to celebrate christ "saint nick"(santa clause" and some pagan god. its been going on for generations and it makes me sick.
---Greg on 7/10/08


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shortest day or sun day of the year is on dec24th the pagan solstice. When witches and others celebrate the coming of spring. Wow how can people be so stupid
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stupidity mixes with emotion ...most can't part with a day handed down by their families ...fond memories of singing carols by the tree warm memories of a family "get together"

choosing the world (satam) and it's ways over God

many use "spirit of the season" as "christian" ...it was actually a marketing slogan by department stores after the depression to lure people into spending money at x-mas

only spirit in xmas season is another spirit who is happy the day is mixed with pagan tradition
---Rhonda on 7/8/08


Hi, Todd--

Good point. However, I believe it was Luther's vision that made them popular.

And I'm afraid I wasn't entirely clear--the Pagan evergreens I was talking about are boughs, not the whole tree.

At any rate, I've been finding lately that so-called Christmas trees have become almost totally secularized. They've become acceptable decorations even where other religious decorations are disallowed. I've even seen Halloween and Valentine's Day trees, though the former don't always look like evergreens.

Really, it's the type of ornament that makes it Christian or not.
---Nancy on 7/5/08


Nancy I googled it and found that the earliest recorded Christmas tree was in 1444, many years before Martin Luther was born. (wikipedia)

Also, Christmas trees are almost always evergreens.
---Todd1 on 7/1/08


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Prophecy fulfilled,
Even though knowledge will increase,
IT won't save man!
Thanks Daniel!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/1/08


what amazes me is that with the advent of internet and libraries and the explosion of knowledge people are still dumb as rocks. Now listen real close and I will tell you the truth. Santa claus is a lie ,Jesus was not born on dec 24th or even close. Jesus never told us to celebrate his birthday: the tree is an ancestor of pagan yule log and totem origins. Yet you still cover them with gold and silver bulbs and tinsle and put a idolatrous star on top and for several days attempt to be a christian. LOL strange that the shortest day or sun day of the year is on dec24th the pagan solstice. When witches and others celebrate the coming of spring. Wow how can people be so stupid
---rharper on 6/30/08


Decorating with evergreens is pagan.

Decorating with a Christmas tree is not--it's based on a vision Martin Luther had. (You can Google it for details.)

However, many so-called Christmas trees are actually shrines to materialism rather than to Christ--look at how many ornaments these days are actually merchandizing (ie: Disney, Looney Toons, Barbie, NASCAR).

Ornament choice is definitely something to consider.
---Nancy on 6/30/08


Hi, personally, I use fiber-optic artificial trees, they're pretty and I don't have to feel bad about another tree being cut down. But for the record, my father drove log trucks and he and other truckers make a great difference in our daily lives. I only wish they didn't have beer truck drivers, 'cause I'm a recovering alcoholic, but hey, that's MY problem, not others lol :D
---Mary on 6/26/08


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A tree is a tree that is a part of nature God gave us. A tree is not meant to be cut down, dressed up to entertain us. It should be enjoyed outside where we can enjoy it for many years instead of cutting down our enviroment, destroying Gods earth just for a days celebration which is linked to Pagan celebrations. the idea of the tree being a "christmas" tree is pagan culture yes, it is not something the disciples practiced being in the jewish faith thne accepting Christ & following him.
---canda7893 on 6/26/08


Jeremiah 10 is referring to pagan idols, which were made from gold-covered wood and worshipped. I really dont think the prophet was speaking of Christmas trees. But it's kind of interesting how similar it sounds. For the record, I'm not in favor or against Christmas trees.
---Todd1 on 6/15/08


Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
---Friends_In_Jesus on 6/14/08


Andy, it is better to follow God and not man or heathens..no probelem as you said for many years, still, it does not make it right does it..I prefer to go by the truth...back in 2nd century, the heathens came into the church along with their pagan customs..xmas is one of them and sunday worship..look at most christians today following suit and has rejected what God gave..
---jpop on 5/29/08


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Idol: That on which the affections are strongly (often excessively) set, an object of passionate devotion, a person or thing greatly loved or adored. Does this not describe how many Christians treat Christmas, often going into excessive debt? It was originally the birthday of Mithra, the sun god.
---shadowwarrior on 5/27/08


probably came from a pagan idea ~ Unless you kneel and worship your tree I think it is harmless.
---melanie on 5/26/08


All the Christian holidays have pagan origins. Scripture tells us that light and dark do not mix. You cannot take the dark and claim it as light by saying that I am worshiping Yahweh. The symbols of these holidays are idols.
---shadowwarrior on 5/26/08


Yes, it has pagan roots... but so does Christmas for that matter... and Easter... and Sunday worship... etc.
---robinz on 5/26/08


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Yeah I think the Christmas tree has pagan roots if I recall correctly...something about evergreen. I can't say whether it's right or wrong to have a Christmas tree today...maybe for those who know it's origin? Even the date itself (Dec. 25th) has pagan origins...as well as the name easter, along with the easter bunny and eggs (think fertility). Seems like everything is based in paganism...but is it our hearts that count? I dont know...I dont do the whole easter bunny/eggs/santa thing with my son.
---Todd1 on 5/21/08


i use the Christmas tree to glorify the Eternal Father and the brith of His Son our Lord Jesus!
So of course the Christmas tree is good! It reflects the true meaning of Christmas in my home and church! Christ was born! Happy Birthday Jesus! thank you Lord! We praise your name!
---lisa on 5/21/08


ead history: xmas trees originated from when Christ was decked with the crown of thorns and dressed with purple robe and hung on a tree..c'mon christians, your following pagan tradition..it has nothing to do with our dear Lord and Savior..your insulting Him..He was not born on the 25..Tammus was..your worshiping Tammus..absolutely..
---jana on 5/21/08


Courtney holding fast to traditions of men doesn't make it non-pagan

Encyclopedia Americana, Catholic Encyclopedia, Adam Clark Commentary, many historical resources show Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival, winter solstice, return of the sun, the god of sowing - tree's were used representing fertile spring

Christmas replaced worship of the sun with worship of the Son - it's a borrowed pagan tradition

traditions of men more important then Gods Word - Mark 7:9
---Rhonda on 3/3/08


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The modern custom of a Christmas tree does not come from any form of paganism. There is no evidence of any pagan religion decorating a special holiday tree for their mid-winter festivals
---Courtney7646 on 2/29/08


There is nothing in the Bible that either commands or prohibits Christmas trees. It has been falsely claimed by some that Jeremiah 10:1-16 prohibits the cutting down and decorating of trees in the same manner as we do at Christmas. However, even a cursory reading of the text makes it clear that the passage is one in which Jeremiah sets forth the prohibition against idols made of wood, plated with silver and gold, and worshipped.
---Court7646 on 2/29/08


The Lord is grieved when Christians look down upon one another for either celebrating or not celebrating Christmas. This is spiritual pride. When we feel that somehow we have achieved a higher plain of spirituality by doing or not doing something about which the Bible is silent, we misuse our freedom in Christ, create divisions within His body, and thereby dishonor the Lord. Therefore, whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).
---Court7646 on 2/29/08


My church, has every year at X-mas a great gospel-outreach, we have upon that a big convention. we show Christ as King and not the Santa-Claus of this world.So where did we leave Christ out. it is true, even here in Africa suicides are more common in that season, yet we Christians bring especially hope during those days. thanks emcee, you made me think deeper so i'm more convinced toi continue.
---Andy on 2/28/08


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Andy:: How holy is holy when you X'D Christ from his mass!!HIS feast of his birth Christmas.
---Emcee on 2/21/08


Emcee ...oh now stop ...senility?? age is a number only!!

I agree with you ...many people do generous things in other ways that is very evident ...but as generous as people can be ...the season is overshadowed by events caused by the season ...one could only focus on good (which many do) ...this is why the season remains unspoiled for so many ...shutting out the byproducts of the season doesn't change what happens ...btw suicides are highest during that time of year too
---Rhonda on 2/21/08


Pop said that it is only az drunkard celebration, Will we allow the devil to steal everything? 2000 years nobody saw any problem in X-mass today Christians want to cancel it, becauseit is Pagan, and pagans because it is Christinan. I am born again and sure to go to heaven, yet i also celebrate X-mass in a excellent and holy way. to some all days are the same to others there are special days
---Andy on 2/21/08


Rhonda::With age comes senility or I missed the boat.Maybe drunkenness is more pravelent.But this is not the "reason for the season" which everyone misses & I have to disagree about Tithes because this is the Most lucrative time when hearts respond to the needs of the less fortunate .You must get involved to see the charity there are 2 sides to a coin.But I guess I missed something but willing to learn & examine the other side with your help.
---Emcee on 2/20/08


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Emcee,
You're silly - of course it has nothing to do with Christmas ...it's the time of year ...December is the month were major cities report more crime, more domestic violence, more drunk drivers then any other time of the year ...TIS THE SEASON ..parties for the season - work, friends, family ...and it is also the time when churches record the least amount of tithes in december and january ...hmmm fruits of the merry season
---Rhonda on 2/20/08


Rhonda & Pop ::Permit me to add a comment Drunken Husbands on christmas or any other day Have no reference to the Reverent occassion.There were many drunk even when Jesus was being Crucified.There is no excuse for drunken Behaviour.We see it around the world on a day to day basis people killed by drunks.they call it DWI.WE those of us who are sane Celebrate His coming .The fulfilment of a prophecy.DEO GRATIAS.
---Emcee on 2/19/08


thanks Pop, I didn't think anyone noticed those comments ...seems they're so busy perserving the day and justifying their reasonings for it then noticing what the day truly represents.
---Rhonda on 2/19/08


annonimous: thanks but a day of rememberance of whom? Yes, we all remember Christ everyday yet He never said to remember His birthday.. only day He asked to remember was the Sabbath ...
---pop on 2/19/08


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thanks Rhonda for your post..yes, the result for a lot of family at christmas is, moms get beaten up, families brokern up by drunken husbands etc..the devil is enjoying his christmas celebration by watching families break up..and unhappiness caused by drunks ..this is the most unhappiest time for many..why, IT IS NOT CHRIST'S BIRTHDAY but Tammus's
---pop on 2/19/08


pam and jana: I try to celebrate Jesus every day. How about you?
pam: I'm not accusing you of sin for not celebrating. You shouldn't accuse me of sin for doing so. Paul talks about this type of thing in reference to eating what is sacrificed to idols, also in reference to eating meat and drinking wine. Some do, some don't. Neither should accuse the other of sin. Yes its messed up at how Christmas is so commercialized. However, I don't care what others do. For me, it is a day of rememberance.
---j._nonymous on 2/15/08


sad how most of christiandom follow mans tradition and not Christ. There is nothing whatsoever in the bible to say celebrate or remember Christ's birthday. The only day we are commanded to remember is the Sabbath. Just how far will man go and oppose God's Word and go with man's way..how long indeed.
---jana on 2/15/08


nonymous: Give me a break and dont misquote me..celebrating Tammus's birthday and using Christ for such nonsense is insulting to our Lord .. you, like other christians have crusted hard on false teachings. The Lord is watching all that we do is in His name, not Tammus's name..just give us Truth followers a break and study scripture and understand it well.. dont be like sheep
---pam on 2/15/08


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Christmas trees (evergreens)are not pagan, but the reason behind it is pagan.What most christians dont know is that it was started by pagans in reference to Christ when He was decorated with the blue robe and the crown of thorns then hung on the tree..that is exactly what most do today with xmas trees. they are decorated then celebrated on Tammus's day but used Christ to deceive christians.Read history
---pam on 2/15/08


Other (pagan) religions have beliefs that nclude the idea of a human sacrifice for wrongdoings.
Does that mean that we are pagans for believing inn Jesus?
---alan_of_UK on 2/15/08


If you believe they are pagan, then don't have one. I do not believe they are pagan, so I have one. Paul did say it is okay to eat meat that was sacrificed to idols now, didn't he?
---Trish9863 on 12/23/07

I think Trish makes the best point on the whole blog.
---j._nonymous on 2/14/08


To identify wether or not, something is pagan one needs to know its origine. I was always told that it originated from a german (protestant) countess who decorated her trees during Christmas. so i do not see any harm in it. i even put a little stable under the tree.
---Andy on 2/11/08


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No doubt that many Babylonian traditions were brought into Christianity By Constantine, including the tree. When I read Church History though, the Christmas tree tradition as we use it for began in the 11th century when a Roman Bishop used to use a pine tree and decorated it at Christmas time while teaching or illustrating Spiritual truths to children, I do not have that reference with me at this moment so I cannot give the specifics of who he was.
---Jim on 2/11/08


Rhonda: "a tree is Pagan God says so in His Word".

I guess you should avoid forests while you're out an about.

Trees are not Pagan. Worshipping them is.

Again, tell me which day belongs to Satan. I'll try to avoid worshipping God on that day.

By the way, there is a difference between me mocking God's words, and using sarcasm to point out your foolish ideas about his words. Accuse me all you want. Have a nice day.
---j._nonymous on 2/11/08


I use a palm tree, and yes it is lit all year long.
---dan on 2/11/08


I agree with Rhonda. I have always put up a Christmas tree. For the first time I felt bad about it this year. I think there comes a point in time when we do things because OTHERS expect it of us. It is symptomatic of lots of other mistakes we make. But I don't believe God punishes people for Christmas trees if they really do it with a good motivation, to celebrate the birth of Christ. I did not celebrate Christmas Day, however.
---frances on 2/10/08


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if xmas trees were truly a decoration why not decorate on another day like July 30th? why not all year long?

xmas time results in the most drunk driving accidents, the most domestic violence, spending that most won't recover from for months and churches record the biggest loss in revenue (tithing) ...all this in the name of love for Jesus?

what fruits are of this day that so many hold fast to? free will also allows man to do things pleasing to himself logically turning away from God
---Rhonda on 2/10/08


nobody has to remember anything I write or say ...it's what God says ...I quoted Gods Word ...Rom 8:7 ...a carnal mind doesn't want to hear Gods Plain Truth

making sarcastic smug remarks to Gods Words is mocking the God of the Bible (not me)

...a tree is Pagan God says so in His Word I provided scripture to prove that point ...when people become emotionally attached to traditions of men it's impossible to HEAR the VOICE of God
---Rhonda on 2/10/08


mikefl: no one is arguing if there are pagan worshipers today. And excuse the length of my responses, I wanted to be thorough. Hard to do in 85 words. Also, though I agree we should keep our beliefs Bible based, God also created logic. He has an intellect. It takes alot of over-interpretation of His word to conclude that we shouldn't celebrate Christmas or use the evergreen to do so. To me, the Christmas tree is simply a decoration: like tinsel or ribbons.
---j._nonymous on 2/9/08


j._nonymous, UNCLE UNCLE... Okay, you have out worded us all. I had a good friend once who excelled in proving his point by talking louder and longer than anyone else. It mattered not if he had facts. Unless we base our belief on the Bible, we have no foundation for the Christian faith. Emotions alone won't do it, logic won't do it, not even visions or voices can replace scripture.
There are indeed pagan worshipers today as there are those who would sidetrack us if possible from God's word.
---mikefl on 2/8/08


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Katie: I don't really believe we should stop singing amazing grace. I was using sarcasm to make the exact point you are making now.
---j._nonymous on 2/2/08


j. nonymous- "By the way, ever sing "Amazing Grace". I wouldn't if I were you. The tune was popular in bars before it was in the Church. Tisk tisk."
If you believe that, then we shouldn't sing several of our old hymns, several melodies to hymns were taken from popular melodies of the time, including from ones sung in taverns. The reason why those melodies were used was because the melody was familiar and easy to sing.
---Katie on 2/2/08


Rhonda: You're so right you know... We should all repent for celebrating the birth of Jesus. We should all repent for taking a pagan symbol and making it Christian. We should also repent for not wearing togas, and sandals, and not having Christ-like beards. We should also repent for driving cars. Or as I like to call them "pagan-mobiles". After all, Christians didn't make cars. And Jesus never rode one. Hmmmmm... I think I'll burn my sneakers too.
---j._nonymous on 2/1/08


Hey Joaquin, I'll do you one better: Not only should we keep the Christmas tree and celebrate Jesus birth on December 25th and call it Christmas, we should also institute some kind of Christian holiday on the same day as Halloween. Satan never created a day... Why should he have one dedicated to him? And while we're at it, just like we took back the evergreen, lets take back the pumpkin.
---j._nonymous on 2/1/08


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Hey Rhonda, whatever happened to that sun god? Anybody still sacrfice to him? I don't think so. You know why? They forgot him! You know why? He wasn't real in the first place. You know who is? JESUS. So let me make a suggestion, why don't we celebrate Jesus EVERY day, so we don't have to bicker over ONE? What do you say?
---j._nonymous on 2/1/08


"Christ-mas and the tree are not referred to in the Bible as a day of celebration or worship because it is not of God".
---Rhonda on 1/31/08

I'll try to remeber that Rhonda. Hey, here's an idea, why don't we all stay inside and hide from the sun god on December 25th instead of celebrating the Son of God? Would that glorify the LORD more? Please help us Rhonda. Help us know which days belong to God and which belong to Satan so we don't get them mixed up.
---j._nonymous on 2/1/08


Many reason away Christ-mas and their tree's never consulting their Bible to see what God says ...just following the herd doing what feels good in their hearts believing in vain they are honoring Jesus. Christ-mas and the tree are not referred to in the Bible as a day of celebration or worship because it is not of God. The tree is a Pagan tradition and part of symbolizing the sun god and sacrificing of children. Jeremiah 10:2-5,23 2Kings 17:33 Deuteronomy 12:32 Matthew 15:19
---Rhonda on 1/31/08


#5 Therefore, for a pagan god to come along and take credit for any item on this earth is an insult to the MOST HIGH, and in essence plaigarism. God is the original author of everything living and breathing. So, being the mastermind behind all space and matter, we give Him honor, not only for the evergreen, but for backyards, brickhouses, pet dogs, good food, good friends, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, stars, galaxies, suns, moons, oceans, and the list goes on.
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


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#1 "Celebrating with a tree is a pagan and cultural thing..human culture..NOT CHRIST'S CULTURE..leave our Lord and Savior out of such worldly stupendous culture..it is insulting Him..Lord have mercy"
---Pam on 1/26/08
Christ didn't preach culture. He preached TO the culture and expects us to as well.
I hope you are wearing a robe, sandals, and eating a strict levitical diet if you really think custom is so important.
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


#2 By the way, ever sing "Amazing Grace". I wouldn't if I were you. The tune was popular in bars before it was in the Church. Tisk tisk.
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


#1 mikefl: You know what I notice? People who fuss over the Christmas tree (in other words, accuse their brother of Pagan practices in having one) are usually the kind who dress like its 1920, don't believe in make-up, perfume, or any of those other "worldy" things, and some how think they are more Holy for living in the past. Don't get me wrong, if someone wants to dress like Laura Ingles, I frankly don't care. But CUSTOM is not the point of the gospel.
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


#2 Sometimes I wonder if some people here ever stepped foot outside of their home town... Christmas trees pagan? Give me a break! I don't care WHAT pagans did with their trees! They don't have a monopoly on evergreens. You know what really happened in Christmas past?
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


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#3 Christians decided it was high time we take back the evergreen and dedicate it to the LORD! The restults? Nobody but a few prudish Christians even knows the evergreen was used in pagan rituals. We erased it from the memory of humanity and it is now widely recognized in conjunction with the day we celebrate the birth of Christ!
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


#4 So, Pam, if you want people to think of paganism when they look at the evergreen, go for it. However, if I created something, and someone else signed their name on it as if they had exclusive rights to it, I'd be more than upset for them not acknowledging me as the original artist. We should know, that every item in this universe has the divine signature of the Lord almighty stamped on it.
---j._nonymous on 1/29/08


The evergreen tree has been in fertility, eternal life and reincarn' rites as long as history. It is recorded in the O.T. Tammuz or Nimrod. Greek and Roman mythology abound with it. See Constantine Empire for the merging of pagan and Christian holidays. I can't see where the tree of Jer.10 was changed to an idol, only things added(maybe balls, little statues of gods, etc.). Many Christians have no Bible on display or Nativity at Christmas. Challege someone who has a tree and they will fight over it.
---mikefl on 1/26/08


Celebrating with a tree is a pagan and cultural thing..human culture..NOT CHRIST'S CULTURE..leave our Lord and Savior out of such worldly stupendous culture..it is insulting Him..Lord have mercy
---Pam on 1/26/08


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Christ was born and multitudes of angels and the wise men and the Shepard's celebrated.We as Christians honor Jesus by acknowledging His birth as we do all our family and friends. It doesn't matter if we have the wrong day at all.
It is a cultural thing. Not a pagan thing.
all is for the glory and honor of God. Therefore good.
So then the tree is symbolic of life...which is Jesus Christ. therefore not being used for a Pagan ritual. therefore not pagan.
---lisa on 1/23/08


Christ's birth is Christian, not pagan. "And now set now your heart from this day and upward, before the stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of YHWH: from this day and upward, ,from the 24th day of the ninth, (from December 24), from the day that the foundation of YHWHs Temple was laid, from this day will I bless you. And in that day will you all say, Thank YHWH, proclaim his name. Sing praise YHWH, for majestically he has done: this known in all the earth." Hag.2:15,18,19+ Is.12:4,5.
---Eloy on 1/22/08


It is absolutely pagan. Our Lord was not born on the 25december..Noone know the date.Tammus the son of Nimrod's wife fathered by a priest was born on this day. Celebrating christmas is celebrating Tammus..Leave our blessed Lord out of your false christmas celebration..that is NOT HIS BIRTHDAY.You all are insulting Christ..Lord have mer cy
---pam on 1/22/08


No, the trees arn't anything but trees. The people who worship them are probably pagan.
---Dr._Rich on 1/21/08


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jew-d, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be carried, because they cannot walk. The woodstock is a doctrine of vanities. Silver beaten into plates, and gold, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the metalsmith: blue and purple is their clothing. Every metalsmith is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and no breath in them." Jeremiah 10:5,8,9,14. This is no description of a Christmas tree here, but an idol made out of wood.
---Eloy on 1/21/08


Jew-D: I don't think anyone here is bowing before evergreens. This is a very bad analogy.
---j._nonymous on 1/21/08


Mary on 1/2/08. G-d is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. If G-d detests the tree that was decorated in silver and gold then, would he not detest it now? Think about it and let G-d open your understanding.
---Jew-D on 1/15/08




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