Lack or discipline denotes weakness. If a church is unwilling to deal with the obvious sin, it is unlikely to deal with the hidden sin. As parents should disciipline the child to aid its growth, so with the church. It is not done out of spite, but out of love. It is growth, God disciplines those He loves.
---dan on 3/3/08|
Forgiveness? Yes. Consequences? Yes. There should be some penalty like a year's leave of absence from any position in the church. (Giving a chance for better leaders to grow and be given a position of authority and gain experience.) Just because you are a leader, should you be given a light penalty? No, it should be far more severe than for the others.
---frances008 on 3/2/08|
"God will judge the person who commits adultery" (Hebrews 13:4). I would encourage you to rest in the truth that God is the avenger. With everything that is in you, commit this sin of adultery to the One who knows every detail, and will deal with it appropriately."FORGIVE people when they sin against you. If you do, your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people their sins. your Father will not forgive your sins" (Matthew 6:14, 15).
---Court7646 on 2/29/08|
Perhaps one of the qualifications for answering this question should be anyone who's not guilty according to the following Scriptures.
Matthew 5:27-28 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Those who qualify please give us the answer.
---Mima on 2/7/08|
Perhaps the church leadership should take a clue from what Jesus said on this very subject:
Whichever of the church elders is free of sin should throw her out.
---StrongAxe on 1/9/08|
**When did anyone hear of a church disciplining someone for being a glutton?**
Strange, when it's one of the seven deadly sins, but the only one socially acceptable, yea, even encouraged by pop-evangelicals.
If you don't believe me, you've obviously not been to a parish pot luck or dinner on the grounds.
---Jack on 1/9/08|
I should have added to my comment below, 1/3/08, that whenever churches use discipline it should be for sin not just for a particular sin. Unfortunately church members are usually more aware of adultery, children born outside of marriage, teenagers sleeping together etc. than they are of some members other sins and vices (stealing, lying, gluttony, malicious gossip etc.). When did anyone hear of a church disciplining someone for being a glutton?
---RitaH on 1/7/08|
SandyG, woulc you like to be subject to church discipline for your own sins?
What are the consequences for YOUR church for not disciplining you?
---Jack on 1/5/08|
I think that if the pastor is refusing to bring this to the congregation he is in error and should be held accountable to God of course, but to the deacons and the congregation. Yes, if things aren't done correctly one should leave that church. Jack is the perfect example...of a timber in his own eye...he's the kind that puts his foot out to make you trip. I'd hate to be in his church, or yiiiiikes maybe he is. Worse yet, maybe we need to pray for him...hard thing to do I know.
---julie on 1/4/08|
I think you should argue with Jack because this looks like one of those second guess the pastor/burn the witch questions.
The consequences of any decision are suffered by the ones making it. The church members have nothing to do with this.
---Pharisee on 1/3/08|
The consequences for this church are that they will be dealt with by God. That does not necessarily mean that they will be zapped with lightning or disappear into a big hole in the ground.
---RitaH on 1/3/08|
Jack_8773: "IF ONE DON'T STAND FOR SOMETHING....THEY WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING". First of all you accuse others of ignorance but it looks like your english ain't too good either. Second, I doubt any of us here are being decieved because adultery is spelled wrong. Or is it adultry?
Why don't you tell us about how YOU are making a difference Jack? Enlighten us if you will.
By the way, does anyone have an answer for this yet, or do we have to argue with Jack all day?
---j._nonymous on 1/3/08|
Hi, Sandy G . . . are you in a hurry to consequences? If this is happening in your church, be glad you know it's wrong. And you can talk with anyone there who you know is for real. If nothing is done, you might find a real, obedient church. It's not our job to judge and control those who deny Jesus. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13. If they plainly refuse to obey God's word, they have chosen not to be God's leaders, I'd say.
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/2/08|
Let me put it this way.IF ONE DON'T STAND FOR SOMETHING....THEY WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING.You must have discipline in some way.Or you will be like a car without brakes.A bell with no ring.The thing of it is that THE LACK OF SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE have
cause the world to have A spiritual death.
The rod mention in the bible gave some people the idea that it ment a real rod.
THIS IS SAD.Where is the wisdom?The education of the schools.The ones that did'nt follow the crowd.AND MADE A DIFFERENCE
---Jack_8773 on 1/2/08|
...Oh, Jack..., before casting a stone, do a spell check on yourself "others"...julie
---JULIE on 1/2/08|
Jack: It's amazing how many different ways you find to say "I'm better than you."
How the world would be different if we were all as literate as Jakc. Oooops! I mean Jack.
I personally think this is a great question and I'm eager to hear the answer.
---j._nonymous on 1/2/08|
I really wish the moderators and other here would learn to spell "adultery" correctly.
It is NOT just a 3 syllable word.
In its origin, it has nothing to do with the state of being an adult, but of going "ad ultera"--"to another."
---Jack on 1/2/08|