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Don't you get tired of churches that "play" at being a church and have no idea what ministering means or how to do ministry?

Moderator - Yes, that "seems" to be most churches that exist today.

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Mark_V.: "But inside our hearts we know, that only the will of God will be done, its not lack of faith."

According to your faith, your faith is all that matters.

Mark_V.: "Some even pray for the patient to die, so they don't suffer and they continue to live suffering."

That is of the devil.

Mark_V.: "We might have some control on sickness, by living a guality life, yet we still get sick and die."

No, it's by living a quality of faith.

Mark_V.: "The Word of Faith teachers are liars. Working for money. And many fall victim to their teachings."

Many are, but most do not advertise or receive compensation for their healings. Healing is a gift from God.
---Steveng on 6/20/10


Mark_V.: "But inside our hearts we know, that only the will of God will be done, its not lack of faith."

MarkV, do an online bible search for the keyword "faith"

A few verses to get you started:
Matthew 9:22
Matthew 14:31
Matthew 15:28
Matthew 17:17 (this generation, also)
Matthew 17:20
Matthew 21:21 (...and doubt not...)
---Steveng on 6/20/10


Are you afraid, MarkV?

Are you afraid to perform an effectual fervent prayer, including the seven days of fasting, to heal that child yourself? Or is it that you are afraid to be without food or drink for seven days for the life of one child? Are you not the righteous man that you claim to be? Why continue to make excuses? Just do it, MarkV. Allow God to truly work through you for once in your life.
---Steveng on 6/20/10


Linda 2#, I'm moving on from this subject. I rather move on to other matters of faith. But before I go, let me say that I have seen many children die, and their parents broken hearted. They prayed with the greatest faith anyone could have. And their children died. Great doctors are making great strives in the cures of many cancers that children get. You undermind all the hard works this people are doing, and in the process you make our faith look bad, by saying that you could have healed them for your work is perfect. Why don't you show up at this hospitals? Why do you not pray from home for those children? God is Omniscient, everywhere, He should hear you. If you need to put hands, then show up and put your hands on them. But you don't.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10


MarkV, you are making random generalizations again. I have never made a cent believing and confessing the Word. And I'm not looking to make money. I am looking for the kingdom of God to manifest, for the Word to be confirmed with signs and wonders following.
---Linda on 6/20/10




"All this talk about not going to doctors is terrible. "

Again, I never said this. Don't lump me into a generality because of a few bad apples. I don't even believe in my own faith. I believe faith comes by hearing. When I was suffering from sciatica, I went for three weeks taking the Word of God as medicine (instead of going to a doctor and being given a pain pill or going through some painful surgery). After three weeks of taking that medicine three times a day (and more if my mind became occupied by the pain), I said, "I'm finished", laid down, and went to sleep. I woke up the next morning and was half-way down the stairs when I realized the pain (all of it) was gone and it remains so till this day.
---Linda on 6/20/10


Steven G, I go to the childrens hospitals. But I am not pretending to heal anyone. I am volunteer who goes to the rooms of people sick or cancer and pray with them. I ask God to heal them. I prayed for my sister wanting God to heal her, just like all parents who have a son or daughter dying. But inside our hearts we know, that only the will of God will be done, its not lack of faith. Some even pray for the patient to die, so they don't suffer and they continue to live suffering. We might have some control on sickness, by living a guality life, yet we still get sick and die. All this talk about not going to doctors is terrible. The Word of Faith teachers are liars. Working for money. And many fall victim to their teachings.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10


Amen, StevenG. They that be led by the Spirit of God, THESE are the sons of God.
---Linda on 6/19/10


Steveng,

I asked you.

Other than putting mud in someone's eyes and the woman with perpetual bleeding, physical touch was not evident (that I can recall at 4.am). Neither of those were laying on of hands, and anyway laying on of hands involves endorsement of spiritual gifts not individual healing.

I did not say I had weak faith. I said I had weak faith in this area, and it is not because I have any lack of faith in Jesus.
---aka.joseph on 6/20/10


Mark_V.: "why haven't you gone,"

I could ask the same to you, but why ask me? Did the apostles go to certain places because THEY want to go or did the Holy Spirit lead them? The spirit lead me here where the harvest is surely plentiful. To you, that may sound like an excuse, but God surely does have certain jobs for certain christians and he sent me here where I'm needed.
---Steveng on 6/19/10




MarkV, besides, why do you continually test God through me? Do you not have enough faith to do it yourself? How about you yourself asking God for it is written the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Fasting for seven days without food or water would be part of a fervent prayer for you, MarkV, but you must fast. Are you willing to fast for seven days during your prayer request? If after two weeks the child is not healed, then contact a local "home church" (a church not even remotely associated with a denominational church) and ask for help. If you have failed...
---Steveng on 6/19/10


"Lets forget about adults for a minute, because if we use them in this discussion, and they are not healed you would say they have no faith."

MarkV, I never said anyone didn't have faith. You have put words in my mouth that I did not utter. We have all been given THE measure of faith. However, there is great deal of doubt and unbelief abiding there also. Even Jesus told His disciples it was THEIR unbelief that caused the failure to cast out a demon...and these were men who had had success prior. Please, if you don't want to believe, at the very least don't put words in my mouth. By the way, Jesus didn't clean out the hospitals either. He healed all who either came or were brought to Him.
---Linda on 6/19/10


mark V-- One of the most faithful families in our church had a child with Muscular Dystrophy (ultimately fatal, no known cure) Many prayers were made on his behalf, since the church believed in miraculous healing.

When he became wheelchair-bound, this dear couple ADOPTED another boy with MD so their child could have a friend...and a homeschool partner.

After a while we didn't see them at church anymore. But when I saw her elsewhere, she said, "I couldn't bear to bring my boy any more. Every week they laid hands on him and prayed. He had great faith, but his questions broke my heart "Why hasn't God healed me yet, Mommy? Didn't He hear their (or our) prayers?"
---Donna66 on 6/19/10


Linda/Steven G, you both sound like good Christians who believe so much in your abilities that Linda has said not to see a doctors, that she has 100% success. And I believe there is millions of people who believe just like you do, and since small children are God's children, why have none of you gone to St. Jude Children Research Hospital in Tennesse and cured the children? Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia, Rhabdomyosarcoma, Ewing Sarcoma, Neuroblastoma, none of this have they found 100% cure, children are dying left and right in that hospital and many other hospitals for children. With your power greater then Christ, wouldn't that be the first place to go? Why haven't none of you gone to cure those children who are close to where you live?
---Mark_V. on 6/19/10


Linda/Steven G 2: please post.
Lets forget about adults for a minute, because if we use them in this discussion, and they are not healed you would say they have no faith. Here we are talking about infants and children who have no knowledge of faith in Christ. Children who did not do anything wrong. Yet out of the millions of you out there, none have even thought of saving them. Not a one of you. In Jesus time, He didn't go to any hospitals, maybe none existed then, but you can do greater miracles then He did, why haven't you gone, or Steven? The doctors are doing a great job in finding cures, but you suggest to stop seeing doctors. You are also willing to cure AKA, why not the children? I believe that you should answer those questions.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/10


aka.joseph: "Gods heals, yet my faith is weak in this area. I have gone to Him many times. In all sincerity, Please, in love, please ask God to heal me."

It is best to have hands laid upon you from a man of faith and a few of their followers. My suggestion, because your faith is weak, is to find a church that is not a denominational church. Find a "home church" near you. Search the internet for the keyword "home church" (keeping the quotes) and then the name of your city.

Acts 28:8
James 5:14-15

Do an online KJV bible search for "love," "one another," "each other," and "comfort" and meditate on these verses.
---Steveng on 6/18/10


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akajoseph, I appreciate your humility. I will pray also and believe God to raise you up in health. Since healing isn't always immediate (though sometimes is), I would ask you to take the healing word as medicine and prepare your heart against the doubt that comes in with the five senses. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. I will restore health unto thee and heal thee of thy wounds. He brought them out and there was not one feeble among their tribes. He bore our sins in His own body upon the tree that we, being dead to sin, would live unto righteousness, with whose stripes we were healed. He went about doing good and healing all who were sick and oppressed of the devil.
---Linda on 6/18/10


Before me, I have a friend who is really suffering from the effects of gout.
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10


Steveng, I am ready. //God will heal everyone through a person who has strong faith. Healing is proof of God's existance to the sick person. Healing is only one of the miracles that gloifies the Father. God works through all those who believe.// ---Steveng on 6/17/10.

I have finally found someone who does not blame lack of healing on the person asking for healing.

I have double vision and balance issues from a head injury I suffered about 15 years ago.

Jesus showed us that healing is instantaneous and can be remote. You seem to be a man of great faith. Gods heals, yet my faith is weak in this area. I have gone to Him many times.

In all sincerity, Please, in love, please ask God to heal me.
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10


Donna66, I completely agree with your statements. One of the reasons I answer Steven G, is because of what he says. He always accuses the churches, that they are run by the devil. That all Christians are bad because they don't think like him, and he says he goes to teach at churches. The churches he speaks against. Now he wants them to do greater miracles then Jesus to prove the existance of God. The lost come to repentance because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit not because we have more power the Jesus. The Father draws people to Himself, our faith does not. Our faith is depended upon God. I wish that one day he had something good to say about Christains and our walk of faith. And stop persecuting the Church as Saul did.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/10


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Donna66: "The basic teaching of Christianity is that all men have sinned and are condemned unless they place their faith for Salvation in Christ Jesus, the sinless only Son of God."


The basic teaching of true Christianity is the gospel - the kingdom of God. The second teaching is how to get there. Jesus did miracles to glorify God the Father (not to bring attention to himself) and to prove the existance of God the Father and the Kingdom. The faith of most christains is small in today's world and, therefore, cannot perform the miracles greater than Jesus to prove the existance of God the Father and the coming Kingdom. Today's christians only talk without the miracles. We must only worship God the Father.
---Steveng on 6/17/10


I tire of people judging all others that do not worship in the style of their church. I get tired of people assuming that churches that don't appeal to them, have "no ministry". I get weary of those who claim we are all to be "of one mind" about
everything...and that "mind" of course, should agree with whatever theirs is.

The basic teaching of Christianity is that all men have sinned and are condemned unless they place their faith for Salvation in Christ Jesus, the sinless only Son of God.

Christian churches add all sorts of embellishments to this basic truth. But to say somebody is "playing church," (that they are not sincere) is usually a Pharisaical judgment, to my mind.
---Donna66 on 6/16/10


Great question Richard. Yes a church with no outward ministry is a church in disobedience.



The reason for going to churchn "assembling of the saints" is obedience and corporate worship.

Obedience includes building spiritual muscle for spreading the gospel and adding to our numbers.
---larry on 6/15/10


The Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost delivered to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter. Is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. There is less of Jesus name Churches in the world. Fear ye not little flock for ye are the Fathers good pleasure.
The Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with the rcc are just pretending. They Are here, Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9, John 10 v 1 they are trying to get into heaven without Jesus name baptism (it wont be done), Matt.22 v's 11 - 13 this man represents All the Man-made relig-org's churches, 2nd.Cor.4 v 4, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15, Are here also Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 then to the lake of fire. There is more of these Man-mades in the world.
---Lawrence on 6/15/10


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The sole purpose of the church, which is the body of Christ, is to minister to people spiritually by the Word of God. It is important to walk in the Holy Spirit in complete submission or this task will be tampered in such a manner that the body of Christ will be incomplete. Unfortunately, many churches have been caught up in pride and playing clique games. If we have Jesus in our hearts, then we will reach out to others in love through the Holy Spirit and with the fear of the Lord in our hearts.
---Michael on 2/11/08


Yes. Alot of people in churches just go through the emotions, instead of the having the real Holy Spirit abiding in them. They wouldn't know the Holy Spirit from a hole in the ground. That is sad. And when in a troublesome situation, they have no idea what to do or who to call upon.
---Rebecca_D on 2/11/08


What if all these emotional rollercoaster ride churches are in the Master plan to draw non-believers and make-believers out of God's true fellowship? Scoffers (of the old fashioned), puffed up (prideful), another Jesus (pastor in a $5k suit), friends of the world(enemies of God). If people want to bypass God's word and seek emotional self gratification, there should be a place for them. Maybe, just maybe some there will find it a place of hunger rather than fulfillment and seek the Living Word.
---mikefl on 1/26/08


tom2 - Jesus also taught that the disciples were to take the gospel 1st to the Jews, then the Samaritians, and then the whole world. Not many Jews at that time outside of Isreal. Consider the parable of the "good Samaritian".
---dan on 1/24/08


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Jack ... # 2 We all need to understand that God has given us a rainbow of denominations & congregations, so that He can show Himself best to every different idividual.
---alan_of_UK on 1/10/08

I agree. Yes there are churches who have lost focus but the burden is on the individuals relationship with the Lrd to express itself during "whatever" type of service is held. If I went to S.America, Africa, or Asia I could expect the service to reflect the people -
---Andrea on 1/24/08


Richard>>> That was vey amicable. It is amazing the reasons people go to church. Only ONE reason to go. To bless God.
---catherine on 1/24/08


When I wrote my blog, I wanted to generate get people to think about why they go to church. Church members need to be taught that when they decide to go to church they should start thinking that they are going to WORSHIP God not just have fellowship with their friends. When churches turn worship into entertainment to keep people coming they have already left their first love
---Richard on 1/23/08


Christina ... Sorry !
I had assumed wrongly that by "modern" you mean unstructured. Where I am modern does mean that, and "spirit-led" means much the same as everyone does their own thing as they think the spirit is leading (or feel they need to do to demonstate they are spirit led)
And I shoukld have said we all should remember that there is room for the different types of service.
---alan_of_UK on 1/21/08


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JD Rich: Do you suppose Jesus knew what he was doing when he brought about the conversion of Saul (later to be know as the Apostle Paul) on the Damascus road? You imply it was a mistake & that Paul taught a renegade gospel rather than the God-inspired Truth of the Holy Spirit. You are in very serious error.
---Leon on 1/20/08


Alan, just wondering why you assume that my preference is for completely unstructured services. Where I attend and worship, there is most definitely structure, but it is also most definitely Spirit led and not dry ritual. God is a God of order and there is never chaos in our services, but there is freedom and it is exciting also. We're talking about our awesome Creator, giver of life, to behold Him is truly exciting, how can it not be?
---Christina on 1/19/08


upon this rock I will build my church was not peter.it was the revelation to peters mind thru the spirit of who jesus was that is the rock.scripture tells us that not one person is worthy to be a rock.FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT,also FOR ALL MENS HEARTS ARE DESPITEFULLY EVIL.sorry but peter falls into these categories.the rock is jesus christ not peter.
---tom2 on 1/17/08


Emcee, Jesus did NOT use the word "church". The word is 'strongs' 1577 meaning those called out from the world. Peter was told to feed 'my' (Jesus') sheep (lambkin). What Peter was to do was to feed (give the truth) to those that are truth seekers from the world (Jn.14:26 & 17:17-20). This was not Paul's job! The churches today only preach and teach the gospel of Paul and not of Jesus.
---Dr._Rich on 1/16/08


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Sees the woman here as the false prophetess, Jezebel and the great harlot thus, the leaven is not just false profession of unsaved church members but false doctrine which they will attempt to bring into the church. >>>Stop preaching peace, peace unto you. Instead preach, Hell AND Damnation unto you without the Blood of Christ.
---catherine on 1/16/08


It is written:

Matt. 13:24-30
---Leon on 1/16/08


Jpdy ... my answer related mainly to style of worship, because some will say (as did some in my own church for a time) that only what I call Happy Clappy was a properly spiritual way of worship.
Then there are others who say that modern worship songs are off-putting and they like traditional hymns.
---alan_of_UK on 1/14/08


Jpdy ... But it is also to do with the difference between format of the service. Some like structured liturgy, others find s completely unstructured format more helpful.
Clearly John and Christina are in the latter category.
But they need to remember that for some, a really quiet meditative structured service is the one in which they can talk and listen to God
---alan_of_UK on 1/14/08


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Playing church=lukewarm.
---Kella3336 on 1/14/08


betty,iam sorry to tell you that jesus said he came for the jews,it was after he returned to heaven that he personally confronted paul and told him that his mission would be to take the nessage of the gospel to the gentiles,not peter.
---tom2 on 1/12/08


People makes up a congragation. You go to church not to worship God. The Holy Spirit does not show up.
---catherine on 1/11/08


The cath church I grew up in and attended for 20+ years was THE best at playing church, although I was not aware of it at the time. On the contrary, it's been "modern" churches I've attended that have been full of the HS and therefore able to operate in the gifts of the Spirit, and TRUE ministering takes place regularly. Just my experience...
---Christina on 1/11/08


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By the way, Emcee, your statement "May I remind every one of the one existing Truth contained in His word..." concerns me. The
ONE existing truth? Contrary to Gods Word...all of the Word is truth, not just one or two verses we choose.
---Christina on 1/11/08


Sorry to tell you this but Paul did not start the church Jesus him self gave Peter the keys to the kingdom which is the plan of salvaton
matt 17-17-18 He said upon this rock i will built my church Jesus
---Betty on 1/11/08


Not every church "plays", some churches are real.
---Eloy on 1/11/08


Alan of UK, respectfully, I love your optimism but I believe that false prophets and teachers have caused the divisions which have caused the denominations and divisions in Christianity. It was Jesus' desire for his flock to be of ONE MIND. He did not desire a rainbow of differences and admonished against division. There is only one gospel of Christ and He warned us 2000 yrs ago of the existing(then)false teachers and prophets that by now have completely diluted HIS WORD.:)
---jody on 1/10/08


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2)Continued: so then, along with the divisions and denominations came the establishment of businesses for selfish gain. THe church or bride of Christ is not a business but a body of believers. The reality is that the church today is in a state of apostacy. This does not mean that all people attending churches lose salvation. Some false beliefs have nothing to do with salvation while others will send the members who hold them straight to hell.:)
---jody on 1/10/08


3)continued: I firmly believe that no one can afford to blindly accept ANY churches doctrines,teachings, or preaching. All things must be checked against the WORD OF GOD (BIBLE). It is the responsibility of the believer as it is YOUR salvation at stake. No church is perfect but if your church believes trivial falsehoods,but entertains the right Spirit, it is good to worship God corporately and pray corporately. So going to church will not hurt.Fellowship is also good:)
---jody on 1/10/08


May I remind every one of the one existing Truth contained in His word Matt16:17-19 There is only One church instituted By Jesus who is GOD.who used the words MY CHURCH.so those who consider it to be churchy church make a mockery of God's Institution & will be held accountable.
---Emcee on 1/10/08


It was Paul who invented 'church' which came from the Pagan circle around the pot on the bon (bone) fire. The foundation that Jesus talked about in HIS testimony written down by eyewitnesses (John 14:26) are the group of believers who would be a new group (rock cut out w/o hands in Dan. 2 and see Mat21:43) and who match the description found in Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 14:12. I may point out that it's just about time to feed the hungry servants the real truth.(Mat.24:45)
---Dr._Rich on 1/10/08


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Jack ... # 1 I think by "playing church" they don't mean a game, they just mean the routine attendance and performance of standard services, withour fervour.
And, that would be pretty dry and life-less, devoid of real life. There needs to be something more, and it is often present in those churches which have standard liturgy.
The problem is those who on either side (formal, or extremely informal) condemn those who find the other kind of worship suits them.<
---alan_of_UK on 1/10/08


Jack ... # 2 We all need to understand that God has given us a rainbow of denominations & congregations, so that He can show Himself best to every different idividual.
---alan_of_UK on 1/10/08


I agree with moderator.I am tired of it and the result is no victory.no winning souls,no revival ,nothing.That is the trick of the devil, for nothing to happen!! Let's have real church and stop "playing"!!!
---donald on 1/10/08


Jack. I was in a Catholic a few times and if I ever seen people playing church, that was full 10 on the scale. No Spirit and everything planned exactly ahead of time to be done exactly as wriitten. Even the prayers are written and read. I felt so sorry for those people stuck in their religious churchy church.
---john on 1/10/08


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And every one that plays church is a pop-evangelical one.

Who do you think really invented playing church, anyway?

It wasn't the Roman Catholic one.

Or any of the Eastern Churches.

Or even classical confessional Protestantism.
---Jack on 1/10/08


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