"If the Palestinians were to lay down their weapons, the next day their would be peace, and then a State for them.
If the Jews were to lay their weapons down, the next day they would be dead, and Israel would not exist."
I would say a 'Palestinian state' is good it were not for the fact that it would only become a terrorist staging area.
---MikeM on 1/24/08|
Don't get so worked up, brothers fight all the time. Everybody wants what everybody else has.
---dan on 1/24/08|
Ktisophilos, Using that same logic then the U S should give back N America to the Indians,Right? The Seminoles of Florida were never defeated in a war,just "dispossessed". Quebec wants it's "Own" Nation,the Tamils(Ceylon) want independence.The Basques (Spain) and even the Scottish. The world is fractionating not uniting.Look how many African states shrugged off colonialism! Posession maybe 9/10ths of the law, but do you "OWN" it?
---1st_cliff on 1/24/08|
A historical basis for a land claim does not necessarily validate the claim. Possession is still nine-tenths of the law.
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/22/08|
There is no historical basis for a "Palestinian state". There was no such nation in history. The Arabs there were just part of the Ottoman Empire. But the Jews have had a clear attachment to the land for millennia.
Also, why should Israel trade still more land for "peace"? Rather, they should take back land **already given for a non-existent peace.**
---Ktisophilos on 1/21/08|
Alan, thanks for helping me to demuddify my muddy perception of what you wrote!
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/21/08|
Not for Long,
As soon as they divide it and claim peace,
Swift destruction will follow from the very hand of God! A 7 yr. Peace Agreement will come, And it will come from a man in the E.U(European Union/Revised Roman Empire)
Praise be to God We have come full circle and ALL things are as he said they would be... YLBD
---Duane_M on 1/21/08|
InimicusStultitiae Thank you for confirming what I said.
Arabian does not = Arab, any more than Palestinian = Arab.
Arabian live in Arabia, not Palestine, even though like the Palestinians they are Arab
They come from different homelands, and each lay claim to those homelands
So you can't tell a Paletinian to go and live in Egypt and expect him to be happy about it
---alan_of_UK on 1/20/08|
Funny thing about this 'gift'--it had to be taken by warfare the first time.
And every time thereafter.
And I can't see a peaceful end to this until everyone involved learns to share.
Oh, and it wasn't given to the Jewish people. It was given to the Israelites, who happened to be Jewish. Not the same thing at all. *notes all the non-Semitic persons of Jewish faith*
---Nancy on 1/19/08|
Alan, respectfully beg to differ. Arabian designates ethnicity, people stemming from the Arabian Peninsula. Arab designates linguistic affinity, i.e., native speakers of Arabic. Egyptians, for example, are Arabs, but not Arabians. Blessings!
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/17/08|
Mima, Hypothetical= Your grandfather left you a 25 room mansion,debt free,10 bathrooms,indoor pool..the whole 9 yards. One stipulation, a clause in the will says the whole basement is wired with dynamite and will be detonated in the not too distant future! Q? Would there be any purpose in this inheritance?
---1st_cliff on 1/17/08|
In Biblical times, the Israelites were given the entire land west of the Jordan. However, due to lack of faith they were unable to drive out the Philistines, who became a thorn in their side ever since.
The Philistines lived in Gaza, and the same area is occupied by the Palestinians today (different people, but even their Arabic name "Falestin" is derived from the Philistines who lived there long before), and are also a thorn in the side today.
Perhaps it's by design.
---StrongAxe on 1/17/08|
Paula ... Palestinian does not equal Arab.
Does English, or German, or French or Norwegian or white American equal Caucasian?
You know the answer
Arab or Caucasian refers to genetic origin, not nationality, or homelend
---alan_of_UK on 1/17/08|
Mima ... I am interested to see your response to Cliff's question.
You have justified your belief in the burning up.
But you seem to have missed what Cliff was asking.
---alan_of_UK on 1/17/08|
Mima, That's my point exactly. Why would you ask about land possession when you believe that shortly God will destroy it anyway? Personally I feel ,from my study,that 2.Pet.3 is more "figurative" than literal!
---1st_cliff on 1/16/08|
---1st_cliff lets not go by what I believe, but rather let us believe what the Scriptures say, in second Peter 3:10 Scripture says," But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." I take this Scripture to literally say that God is going to burn up the entire earth.
---Mima on 1/16/08|
Think and see the signs but don't decide, that's my policy.
This could be a stage set for "an abomination that causes desolation", even more so than Roman soldiers destroying the temple.
I never try and imagine that I understand what age God is ushering in, my mind could dream stuff up all day long while I ignore my wife and children...sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Just be mindful that the Lord comes as a thief for those that don't watch. He will come.
---Pharisee on 1/15/08|
No one has a claim on any land just because their ancestors possessed it hundreds or thousands of years ago. The Visigoths possessed Spain in the seventh century, but their descendants have no claim on it today. The Indians possessed Manhattan in the 16th century, but their descendants have no claim on it today.
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/15/08|
God "gave" this land to the Jews may centuries ago, then turfed them off, then allowed them back.
How do we know that it is at this time when God actually wants the Jews to have tghe whole of the area, when previously He has obviously not wanted them to pssess it??
---alan8566 on 1/14/08|
Mima, Why would you ask a question like that when you are one of those who believe that God is going to destroy this whole planet anyway?
---1st_cliff on 1/14/08|
The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people forever by God. I don't understand how any Christian could deny that & ask them to give any part of that land up to the Palestinians (Arabs) who have plenty of land. I pray that our government will open their eyes to this.
---Paula on 1/14/08|