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Explain The Ice Age

The Bible does not say anything about an ice age. What do you tell your children come home with a homework assignment that disagrees with the Bible telling them to do a paper on a Ice Age?

Moderator - The effects of the flood very well may have caused an ice age.

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Frances I couldn't agree more. The god of this world has definitely blinded people so that most, sadly including Christians, have swallowed the old-earth, microbe to man evolution lie.

Happily I've seen many find the truth, often afterwards embarassed about what they uncritically accepted. It's no wonder they were fooled because that's what the world effectively teaches, at every chance. Sadly it's only a minority of churches which stand up against this atheistic belief, and teach the truth.
---warwick on 5/2/08

It's all because of global warming Jerry.
---Warwick on 5/2/08

The lies just keep on coming. That is how they get away with it. One lie after another. By the time you have proved the first one a lie, there are ten more to cope with. Catherine, learn from my experience, the liars have lied about everything, so why should we try and squeeze any of their rivalling theories into the Bible. They won't fit because they are not the truth.
---frances008 on 5/1/08

If it is the official history of the world, it is probably a lie. The god of this world has taken over the education system, bringing politics, religion and brainwashing together for the New World Order.
---frances008 on 5/1/08

Whenever there was an ice age it was probably very cold! :o)
---SusieQ on 5/1/08

Moderator: Many of the blogs have not worked all week. What's up?
---jerry6593 on 5/1/08

Let's really blow the lid off this puppy. I talked with one of Einstein's students, he claimed that Einstein theorized that time was not constant. That at some starting point time, light, sound were all instant. That the whole of the universe was created at the same time and instantly was in place.
---dan on 4/18/08

MikeM, what sort of decay mode would produce C-14 from U decay? Certainly alpha, beta or gamma can't. Fission produces a minute amount, but far more fission produces two fragments closer in size such as Ba and Kr (92 = 56+36). But if this were an explanation for C-14 in coal or diamonds, there would have to be almost pure uranium.
---Ktisophilos on 4/8/08

Mike can't deal with the actual arguments, so he hides behind the evolutionary gatekeepers of the paradigm: peer reviewers. But why should creationists waste their time submitting to proven censorers who have stated openly that they wouldn't publish anything creationist? BTW, Lyell's and Darwin's theories were not peer reviewed but written in books.
---Ktisophilos on 4/8/08

All bailed on the 'ice age' blog. But Catherine has some interesting ideas on its source. Maybe she can present it to a scientific journal for review, or to some university science dept. Maybe it will change our whole perspective on geology.
---MikeM on 2/23/08

Catherine ... And of course all this is recorded in the BIBLE!
---alan_of_UK on 2/9/08

The Ice Age automatically follows the Universal Flood. There could not have been a universal flood without a glacial age following. The deserts were sopping wet for centuries following the flood. There were lakes everywhere. Evaporation kept humidity at 100%. There was rain everyday in the North Country. Winds carried moisture-laden clouds, super-saturated, to Northern Canada, Scotland, Norway, Sweden, where snow poured down everyday and every hour Cont.
---catherine on 2/8/08

Cont. from November until April, probably five hundred or a thousand feet thick the first winter. Multiply 500 feet of snow by 100 years of wet weather. This makes 50,000 feet of snow which would settle down into approximately 5000 feet of ice-the glacial age. The tops of these mountains, a mile high, would be so cold that snow would continue to pile up all spring and early fall as well as a brief, chilly July-August summer that only a small amount [cont].
---catherine on 2/8/08

cont. of snow would melt. The small amount melting in July would be many times over balanced by the prodigious winter snowfall. The effect would be cumulative: The higher the mountain, the colder the temperature, the shorter the summers, and the greater the snowful. The weight of a mile or two of ice would cause it to flow outwards across the Baltic Sea, depositing boulders all over the North German plain, as we find them today. Cont.
---catherine on 2/8/08

Cont.>>>Also downward over Noth American, across Lake Erie, leaving Moraines, eskers, drumlins and bolders across Ohio and Missouri as far South as the Missouri River.>>The End++++
---catherine on 2/8/08

When you homeschool, you can tell them anything you want. Their ears will perk up, they absorb everything like a little sponge, the little darlings.

If your children are not your number one priority, you shouldn't be homeschooling.
If mom spends all day on the computer, I think they would be better off in the able hands of a multitude of teachers.
---Mark on 2/3/08

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As mankind we bound ourselves to our own understanding by making our own perceptions dictate reality, while the Bible teaches that there is more to reality than we perceive.
---Thomas on 2/3/08

I will explain to her that at the end of all my searching for answers and meaning I have found more truth in the word of God than I have found in any source including myself. I will help her to look objectively at everything, and try to teach her to watch and listen for the answers for which she is searching. Jesus says, "seek and you shall find." I have found this to be true time and time again.
---Thomas on 2/3/08

OneWay ... It is not non-Christian to query the 6000 year doctrine
Most Christians accepth that God has made us a marvellous world and his plans include the ice ages, the tectonic plates, and the billions of years.
Don't be afraid of them.
---alan_of_UK on 2/3/08


You are right!

Why should this nonsense about evilution be allowed on a Christian website?

Why should any non-Christian belief as you define it to be be allowed here?

Why for that matter should Christians be allow here that think?

Praise God. "Scripture Quote, Scripture Quote". Praise Jesus. That's the way, the ONEWAY!
---matthew on 2/3/08

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Oneway I have read ALL your posts, and you do more than could ever do in conveying what I have to say about Creationist with more potency than I ever could.(I hear dueling banjos)
---MikeM on 2/3/08

Answer to the original question:
I have a 2 year old. When she is old enough to attend school, I will speak with her about man's understanding of our present surroundings, our past, and our search for meaning in this life. I will try to instill in her that she must learn to look deeply into herself as well as everything around her, and that she must look beyond the limits by which others would bound her.
---Thomas on 2/3/08

jerry, Classic fallacy, 'small sample.'

We all know the sillyness of Haeckels pictures, circa 1860? and his fabricated embryo drawings, and the old The recapitulation theory. Kooks can be found anywhere.

There was a Founding Father who claimed "No popish preasence or jewish influence should stains Amerias shores so the unfinished work of evangelism can go on unfettered by apostates." Do we dismiss Americas founders based on a kook? Thus the point about haekel is meaningless.
---MikeM on 2/3/08

There is clearly a 6,000 year chronology in Genesis. There are not evolving mountians, Lost Worlds, plate tectonics, sedimentary rocks, fake fossils, or ice ages. I will not spend time debating with those who mutulate, compromise, or attampt to discredit the Bible with scientific ramblings. Why is this evolution talk allowed on a Christian website?
---OneWay on 2/3/08

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'ice age' is another of mans inventions like dinosaurs. dinosaurs were named by nonbelievers in the 1800s who found a few bones. Dinosaurs like the 'ice age' are products of mans over active and very foolish imagination. Beware of evolutionist influence. Even the childrens film ice age'was evolution propaganda aimed at our children. We homeschool do to garbage like that in the schools and in culture.
---OneWay on 2/3/08

Part 2. Because of the willful rebellion of Satan and those under his delusion, the world (cosmic age) that was then was overflowed with water and perished (as in completely destroyed). However the heavens and earth which are now, by the same word of God are kept in store, reserved for fire during that coming day of judgment and the perdition of the ungodly. References Job 22:15-17>2Pet.3:5-7
---Josef on 2/3/08

Have you looked closely into the old prehistoric ancient time of the beginning? The way and time of the wicked sons of God who exerted themselves in vain and was brought to naught, plucked out of time and reserved for destruction? Whose foundation was overflown (washed away) with a flood? Scoffers are willingly ignorant of the fact that by the word of God the heavens of time passed, and the earth stood out of water and in the water (frozen solid due to the lack of a heat source). Cont.
---Josef on 2/3/08

Warwick: Thanks for the education! I thought they sounded pretty disgusting. I'll bet Mike M bails on this one too.
---jerry6593 on 2/3/08

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Jerry, don't you know that 'standerds' are those erds which can still stand while the others are recumbenterds having partook of too much moonshine.
---Warwick on 2/1/08

I read a famous evolutionist's book once (Haeckel) whose drawings showed amazing similarity between the foetus' of many types of creatures including humans. He was charged and proven to be a fraud, his drawings poor fakes.

By MikeM's standards therefore all evolutionists must be frauds!
---Warwick on 2/1/08

MikeM Ktiso showed you don't know what you are talking about scientifically. You are only digging a deeper hole for your self.

Are you actually saying that C14 was produced in diamonds by the radioactive decay of Uranium? But Mike diamonds are not radioactive! Where is the uranium?
---Warwick on 2/1/08

Every Friday night through Saturday evening, the Sabbath around the world celebrates God's creation and His rest. For Christians and Jews, it's a time to reflect on His Creation and "all aspects" of it.
For Christians, we further meditate on the rest or peace Christ made on the cross for us with God. During that 1000 year reign we'll get a chance to finish Adam's work through Christ's rule. God's science and TORAH will be very interesting for those times and eternity..
---yochanon on 2/1/08

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Mike M: Where is "Santa Barbera" or were you talking about "Hanna Barbera" cartoons? And what are "standerds?" Sounds disgusting!

"My field in the area of dating is dendrochronology" Have you actually been paid to count tree rings for a living? What is the hightest count you reached? Millions?

OK Chem 101, if U238 is present in diamonds, why isn't daughter lead?
---jerry6593 on 2/1/08

arguments here offered against c-14 is that Earth's magnetic field has been decreasing. making C-14 dating "inaccurate'"

The earths magnetic field is cyclical in nature. Any affect on the C-14 dating method is corrected by the calibration.
---MikeM on 1/31/08

Let them know the world system is different from the Bible. That you and the family does not embrace this and so on but let them do the paper for a grade. I did papers on Evolution, explorers, Darwin and their theories but we were not in agreement with a lot of these topics.My father was a preacher and we were Christians. We did it for our class and a grade.
---Robyn on 1/31/08

Uh, U-238, chemistry 101. My field in the area of dating is dendrochronology, but I suppose creationist dismiss it. For instance the coast Redwood, Sequoia sempervirens, survived through the last ice age, and lived as far south as Santa Barbera during the last Ice age. These dating techniques are all cross referenced to be accurate, but that all that evidence, no matter how extensive must be rejected as well by the superimposed subjective standerds imposed by the creationist.
---MikeM on 1/31/08

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Uhhh... I have a question. If C14 in diamonds was caused by Uranium contamination, why aren't diamonds radioactive? After all U has such a much longer half-life than C14, so it should still be present in abundance.
---jerry6593 on 1/31/08

I read a creationist book once which posited a 'cosmic-scale event' (a miracle), that accelerated radioactive decay by a factor of a billion-fold during a single year (Noahs flood), to account for ALL 'geochronology.' This is a problem for creationist. Radioisotope decay generates heat. If you compress 4.54 billion years of decay into only 6,000 years you've got a massive hades level heat problem. Once again, credibility, a non-issue
---MikeM on 1/30/08

Fundamentalist claim diamonds contain intrinsic C-14. This dubious peg (among others) they hang a claim for a young Earth. Ignoring and/or misstating the consequences of in-situ C-14 production due to the radioactive decay of Uranium or Thorium, or environmental C-14 contamination renders the fundamentalist rhetoric inconsequential.

If they really had some conclusions worth touting, submit it to a major scientific journal for publication-the reason they dont do this is very obvious.
---MikeM on 1/30/08

Thanks Ktiso for your comments-give a man enough rope and he will hang himself? MikeMs comments regarding C14 exhibit scientific ignorance. I believe youre right- he carelessly parroted nonsense from an anti-Christian website.

I trust readers understand that MikeM is an ardent anti-Christian activist who denigrates the scientific knowledge and intelligence of those who hold to Biblical creation while at the same time showing he knows little.

Let us see if he attempts an answer re C14.
---Warwick on 1/30/08

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Jack: You need more research. The path of Darwinian "science" is littered with the remains of falsified "proofs" of evolution. From the Nebraska Man hoax used as "evidence" in the Scopes trial to Peking Man to Java Man to Lucy to Archaeopterix to the Marsh Horse Series and fake Haeckel embryo drawings that still fill our tax-paid textbooks, no other "science" relies so heavily on lies and forgery to prop up its failed tenets. Search evolution dash facts dot org.
---jerry6593 on 1/30/08

Ktiso thanks for your comments. Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself! MikeMs comments regarding C14 exhibit scientific ignorance. I believe youre right- he carelessly parroted nonsense from an anti-Christian website.

I trust readers understand that MikeM is an ardent anti-Christian activist who denigrates the scientific knowledge and intelligence of those who hold to Biblical creation while at the same time showing he knows little.

Let us see if he attempts an answer re C14.
---Warwick on 1/30/08

MikeM research shows the flat earth idea was invented by anti-Christians to ridicule Christian faith. Scripture doesnt promote a flat earth.

You talk about facts- give one fact of microbe to man evolution which can be verified by the scientific method of testability, observability, repeatably. How do we submit your wordy ramblings to such a test?

Dont bail on me Mike remember I am only an ol geetar pluckin fundeeementalist!
---Warwick on 1/30/08

MikeM: You are trying too hard to prove something that man cannot, using worldly knowledge. The Bible is nothing more than a witness to the relatiosnhip between God and man. The NT is a witness to the life of Jesus. It's not a science book with details like you find in college textbooks. The relationship between God and man is not proven in a laboratory, but in the heart and spirit of man. You are trying to prove the Bible using the scientific method which man cannot possibly do. It's all based on faith.
---Steveng on 1/29/08

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Jack, just because it happened outside your knowledge does not mean it is not happening. Now, we don't have to say that everything is a lie, just we need to be careful what we believe. A Japanese archeologist planted many 'finds'. Just because they are very very clever, we may never uncover the fakes.
---frances on 1/29/08

MikeM: Besides, when you become a bona fide Christian, the Holy spirit will answer all your questions - quaranteed - just like He did with all His people in the Bible including Job. He'll reveal to you all the secrets of the universe when you ask Him. I suggest taking a year Sabbatical from the world along with nothing but the Bible and the quidance of the Holy Spirit. You'll definately come out of your mountain having white hair as Moses.
---Steveng on 1/29/08

Yochanon has fallen into typical fallacies fundamentalist are known for-- Ad hominum, attack the person when your argument is faltering.. Name calling, consigning those one disagrees with to incineration, and to compound it a Bible verse is employed that has no relevance to the issue of the Ice Ages, which is denied based entirely on emotion.
---MikeM on 1/29/08

**as well as some human species were faked,**

The only humanoid species faked, to my knowledge, was the Piltdown man.
---Jack on 1/29/08

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I can give a little advice here. Dig your Bible sources. You may be able to find something relating to the ice age.
---catherine on 1/29/08

StevenG, One-way, Dan, Warwick, I scratch my head knowing that you will not respond. I am reminded of someone who once told medinosaurs never existed, they were the products of 'wild satanic imagination,' or or the people who run the flat earth society. Let me offer this, you are not serving your faiths denying objective facts, thereby rendering your religious assertions ludicrous, you are by refuting reality running off people who would otherwise hear your version of Christianity.
---MikeM on 1/29/08

Mary, now you may understand why I do not tell jokes...some people would probably cry at them. I meant 35 or 40 years of age, hinting at that notorious midlife crisis age.
---Eloy on 1/29/08

The rate of C14 production from U/Th is so low that if it were responsible for the observed amounts in coal, it would have to be about 99% U or Th. The colloquial name for such a deposit would not be coal but uranium.

Contamination was ruled out by standard tests. And it is impossible to explain C14 in diamonds that way.
---Ktisophilos on 1/28/08

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Nitrogen-14 captures neutrons 110,000 times more easily than does carbon-13, so a sample with 0.000 0091% nitrogen should have twice the carbon-14 content of a sample without any nitrogen. If neutron capture by N-14 were a significant source of carbon-14 in a given sample, radiocarbon dates should vary wildly with the nitrogen content of the sample. So where are the data needed to support MikeM's claim (parroted from the ignoramus at talk.obnoxious).
---Ktisophilos on 1/28/08

Oneway, I agree with alan. I dont do drugs because they make people stupid, yes they make people smile and seem so happy when they are are High, but over time they become stupid.

What can I say?
---MikeM on 1/28/08

So many know it all Greco-Darwinists are just cheap debatists whom are every learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth. They'll be just as smart in Hell after the fact, if they don't humble themselves and try to understand God's gift of Creation and Jesus's Creative statement, It is finished.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes. Prov. 26:4-5
---yochanon on 1/28/08

MikeM: "Science deals with the scientific method. Objective reality. Religion, of any type is subjective belief."

Before the discovery of the atom, it, too, was subjective. In fact, anything that has not been discovered yet is subjective. Just because man has not found God, it doesn't mean he doesn't exist. It just means that man has not gotten to that point in his scientific knowledge to prove it. Unfortunately, God will intervene in world events soon.
---Steveng on 1/27/08

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Maybe, according to the text book...yada yada yada. My sister did that like in 1980 for a paper on evolution and didn't get a bad grade. Every few paragraphs she just wrote according to our textbook. Which silently told the teacher she was taking a stand! AMEN
---Dan on 1/26/08

Mike-Let's put everything into focus. Science is not independent of creation. G-d made everything and He made his creation to work in a specific ways. These ways are what man calls science. As the author of creation, G-d put some details in the Bible. Read the book of Job to begin with. Because i think it kinda funny that many of man's recent great scientific discoveries are already written in the Bible thousands of years ago
---Jew-D on 1/26/08

The 14C in diamonds/coal is produced de novo by radioactive decay of uranium-thorium isotope series that is naturally found in rocks which is found in varying concentrations in different rocks, hence the 'variation' in 14C content.

The fungi/bacteria that 14C in coal is produced by modern microorganisms currently living there but would probably only contribute to inflation of 14C values if coal sits in warm damp conditions exposed to ambient air.
---MikeM on 1/26/08

4th and the 5th time-spands of His GODHEAD.
The caveman was also present during this
---Jack_8773 on 1/26/08

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If anything could change me from being "I don't know, but there could have been Evolution" to believing wholeheartedly in Evolution, and perhaps even denying God made the world ... it would be OneWay's essay
---alan_of_UK on 1/26/08

C-14 --accelator mass spectrometry (AMS) pushes it back to 80,000 years.(-+10)

Creationist refuse to accept the fact that carbon-14 is produced in the ground by radioactive uranium and thorium

Nitrogen 14 is converted to C-14 is produced in the atmostphere. (Nitrogen atoms convverted to carbon14 isotope of carbon stable isotope c- 12)

Show me a single a professional astrophysicist or physicist on the planet who accepts this creationist argument about diamonds...
---MikeM on 1/26/08

Jerry, We already know that low-level carbon-14 is produced in the ground by radioactive sources. Diamonds, another anomoly that fails to unravel real science.

Can you produce factual information justifying the absurd fundamentalist notion that all modern geological science is wrong? Creationist ignore the fact that Carbon-14 is produced in the ground by radiogenic sources, mainly uranium and thorium, which is also abundant in coal.
---MikeM on 1/26/08

GEOLOGY isen't "evolutionary theory" Standard calibration curves are all there, based on comparison of radiocarbon dates of samples can be 'independently' dated.

Methods of dating, dendrochronology, ice cores, deep ocean sediment cores, lake sediment, coral samples, speleothems (cave deposits) etc etc.

The body of geological science points to an earth thats been in existence far longer than a mere 10,000 years, creationism fails again and again as science, but keeps on coming.
---MikeM on 1/26/08

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oneway, Are you living in a different world than I am. I have been to three different excavation sites in the US where fossilized bones were in the process of being extracted. These are not fabricated in a lab. They are their in the field for many to see. Some of these creatures' fossilized remains are found relatively intact. Mastodons (Mammoths) are sometimes found intact in ice (from an ice age?). Sometimes we try so hard to reject the truth, we make ourselves blind.
---sophia on 1/25/08

The idea of an ice age has not been conclusively proven to be false. On the contrary, there are literally mountains and valleys of evidence. I like the statement that "Christ came to take away our sins, not our minds". Silly statements by ill informed people, like Oneway, only help to delude those who are least able to protect themselves - those who have a weak intellect. I truly feel sorry for people who are so afraid of the truth that they bury their heads in the sand.
---grant on 1/25/08

**These evolutionary theories, like the ones about mammoths and mastodons were invented by atheists to discredit the Bibles Genesis timeline.**

I suppose they were frozen theories invented by atheists that were found in Siberia.
---Jack on 1/25/08

As woolely mammoths and mastedons have been pulled out whole and still frozen. I think that one has a hard time flying. True, some mammels are complete fabrications from say a thighbone, as well as some human species were faked, it does not disprove an ice age. Science is quite conclusive, that there was a designer.
---dan on 1/26/08

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2 History records the 'little ice age' as a time of prosperity, the beginning of the renewel of arts and science. Then dramatic cooling, 9 degrees I believe and all sorts of bad things happened, disease, crop failure etc.
---dan on 1/26/08

The idea of an ice age has been conclusively shown to be a fable. No vast glaciers covering large parts of the northern hemisphere, and consequently there was no melting of any ice caps as hypothesized. These evolutionary theories, like the ones about mammoths and mastodons were invented by atheists to discredit the Bibles Genesis timeline. This fable reaches all corners of our nation and would be almost difficult to root out.
---OneWay on 1/25/08

Fossil beds are a jumble of bones scattered about. Imaginative scientist fashion the bones to create ancient animals that never even existed. Most of these bones were produced in their own labs. In school you children are sold a bill of goods, their faith shattered.

Science today is a hotbed of atheist evolutionist misinformation. Carol or any concerned parent must consider the merits of allowing children to attend government schools where they can be indoctrinated with scientific absurdities.
---OneWay on 1/25/08

Why there never was an "Ice Age"

No one had ever heard of an Ice Age until science and education
developed an anti-Christian political movement out to prove the
bible to be a fable and historically inaccurate,

The great success atheists had using fossil remains, trying to prove
the bible was a fable, led atheists to expand their attack on
Christianity, by claiming there was never a flood in Noah's day!
---Oneway on 1/25/08

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Evolutionists invented Mastodons and mammoths that supposedly roamed the frozen North a million yrs ago, Atheists put them together out of a variety of Elephants bones. these frozen pachyderms are no older than 5,000 yrs.

The entire ice age fable would
come apart if the truth became known
that mountians 'carved' by ice as evolutionist say are only wild speculation like so many other evoluitionary lies lies sold and bought by a evolutionist controled school system.
---Oneway on 1/25/08

MikeM you are at least entertaining always accusing others of bailing on you when you do the same continually.

BTW in your long-ages religion how do you explain C14 (max life 60,000yrs) being found encapsulated within diamonds supposedly billions of years old? Don't bail on me Mike.

Also Mike how is 'creationism' easliy refuted?

We breathlessly await your reply!
---Warwick on 1/25/08

"you have been given many scientific proofs refuting your animal ancestor worship"

Worship animals? trite charge

I have 'put the other gloved hand into the ring' ALL bail, again and again, calling me pedantic. Here even 'secular' is considered a 'big word.' Refuting creationism is simple. Fundamentalist offer only a barrage of rhetorical cliches' while dispensing copious emotionalism as they gloriously retreat-pulling their wagons in a circle.
---MikeM on 1/25/08

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