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Is Mardi Gras Catholic

Just like Halloween is the day before "All Saints Day" Mardi Gras is the day before "Ash Wednesday" Is this strictly a Catholic celebration? Should other Christians avoid it?

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#5 As early as the middle of the second century, the Romans observed a Fast of 40 Days, which was preceded by a brief season of feasting, costumes and merrymaking...There are well-known season-long Carnival celebrations in Europe and Latin America, including Nice, France, Cologne, Germany, and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The best-known celebration in the U.S. is in New Orleans and the French-Catholic communities of the Gulf Coast.
---ShaunT on 2/29/08


#2 Mardi Gras, literally "Fat Tuesday," has grown in popularity in recent years as a raucous, sometimes hedonistic event. But its roots lie in the [pseudo] Christian [Roman Catholic] calendar, as the "last hurrah" before Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. That's why the enormous party in New Orleans, for example, ends abruptly at midnight on Tuesday, with battalions of street sweepers pushing the crowds out of the French Quarter towards home.
---ShaunT on 2/29/08


#3 What is less known about Mardi Gras is its relation to the [Roman Catholic] Christmas season, through the ordinary-time interlude known in many Catholic cultures as Carnival. (Ordinary time, in the Christian calendar, refers to the normal "ordering" of time outside of the Advent/Christmas or Lent/Easter seasons.

Carnival comes from the Latin words carne vale, meaning "farewell to the flesh."
---ShaunT on 2/29/08


#4 Like many Catholic holidays and seasonal celebrations, it likely has its roots in pre-Christian traditions based on the seasons.

Some believe the festival represented the few days added to the lunar calendar to make it coincide with the solar calendar, since these days were outside the calendar, rules and customs were not obeyed. Others see it as a late-winter [pagan] celebration designed to welcome the coming spring.
---ShaunT on 2/29/08


Only the staunchest of bigots would call Mardi Gras "catholic" in any way, shape, or form. Mardi Gras violates RCC teaching at every turn. Contrary to the practice of the American hypocrites, the RCC teaches that getting drunk is a sin.
---Greyrider on 2/29/08




Yes - Catholic to the core. Its like a last call at the bar to guzzle down all your sin and debauchery before you openly flagellate yourself for 40 days thinking this merits God\\\'s favor.
---ShaunT on 2/28/08


Mardi Gras, which is French for Fat Tuesday, is the last day in a season called Carnival and the day before Ash Wednesday, which marks the beginning of Lent. Depending on the location, the carnival season is two-weeks in length and is characterized by merrymaking, feasting, dancing, masquerades, and general licentiousness. The carnival season is typically celebrated by Catholic countries of Southern Europe and Latin America.
---Court7646 on 2/28/08


Jack:

They also have it in Quebec City, but there it's called Carneval (as it is in Buenos Aires). However, Quebec is very cold at this time of year, so Carneval there is more of a winter vestival with ice sculptures, snowmobile races on the frozen river, etc. It's not the same kind of wild partying that one sees in New Orleans.
---StrongAxe on 2/10/08


Constantine declared (and it still stands) that Good Friday could never fall on the Jewish Passover. This year Nisan 14 (14 days after the first new moon after the spring equinox) falls on April 20. (Jewish Passover) So the calendar makers have set (erroneously) March 21 to comply with this ancient order of Constantine. Makes one wonder "who's running this show?"
---1st_cliff on 2/7/08


Turkey shoots, an "American" legion tradition.
Legion Posts hold turkey shoots, held every Saturday, rain or shine, from November to early March.

A $25 entry fee goes toward causes supported by the Post, such as food and toys for the underprivileged, and scholarships and supplies for schools, or churches.
Participants dont shoot real turkeys, though. They shoot card stock targets with shotguns. The shooter with a pellet closest to the center wins.
---Cindy on 2/7/08




: Turkey shoot, similar to a roulette wheel
:: Gambling in church, moneychangers
,, Flying Elvis's and Vegas
... Mirage in the desert
>> Stacking the deck, stuffing the ballots
Cheating, dishonest
Fund raising in church, cheapening the Gospel for personal gain
---Cindy on 2/7/08


**
Maybe Mardi Gras is just an American tradition before Lent.**

It's actually more a French cultural thing. To my knowledge, the only three cities in the USA that have it are Mobile, AL, Biloxi, MS, and New Orleans, LA--3 cities with an old French heritage.
---Jack on 2/7/08


I get confused, some of you advocating this, with its mosiac law overtones, of not eating certain foods, perpared certain ways don't happen to be the ones advocating that the law was done away with, do you?

No church is holy, God made no institution holy, only individual are made holy.
---dan on 2/7/08


Cindy: I'm happy your church has enough income/donations to cover all its needs. What are turkey shoots?

Maybe Mardi Gras is just an American tradition before Lent. Never heard of this "last fling to put the fat in the fire".
By the way mass was excellent last night. Bless you all. "Turn away from sin and believe in the Gospel".
---Ghost on 2/7/08


Strongaxy:This is not an RC Practice But this I do know there are a lot of Christmas & GoodFriday Christians, who to satisfy their needs of Repentance have what you might term having a last fling to put the fat in the fire .It has no connection to The religious services in any one denomination.This custom is of Pagan origin and the only connection is, it is close to lent on Shrove Tuesday,it forms a tradition for Drunken & satisfying the sexual appetite under the shield of masks.An Orgy.
---Emcee on 2/6/08


It's been said, 'Some are sent and some just went'.

No, my church doesn't hold bake sales, dances, turkey shoots, or winter festivals.
---Cindy on 2/6/08


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Mardi gras is against everything God teaches us Mardi gras is a form of devil worship it is worshiping idols not our Lord God
---lawre3763 on 2/6/08


Cindy: yes, all the money that is received from that festival goes to the church for what ever use they might need it, whether it be to repair the building or to give to someone in need. Why would it cheapen the Gospel? Do you have bake sales at your church, fund raisers or anything the like? Not to long ago we raised money for a group of young believers from our church to go to Australia to meet with other young Christians. How does that cheapen the gospel?
---Ghost on 2/6/08


StrongAxe: Good explanation, I didnt know that relationship between Lent and Mardi Gras.
Cindy: My pastor doesnt drive a Rolls Royce, owns mansion, or have a show on TBN. Every once in a while we need to raise money, we need to repair the building where we fellowship, one of our brothers might be in need... we do this to help one another.
---Ghost on 2/6/08


WE who are Catholics KNOW that from Advent to Holy week we are reminded by Holy Mother Church To CHANGE, review, & make straight the ways of the lord. while we are on that walk from birth to Death The acknowlegement of this truth, permits us to reflect, practice this change for the Remaining of the Churches Calendar Year.6Months.This is repeated year after Year.This reminder By God through His ChurchMatt16:17-19 ensures the continuity of a good Christian way to Perfection.Hope you get the Message
---Emcee on 2/6/08


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Your observation is spot on Emcee! A pagan holiday, vodoo and much drunken revelry.
---NVBarbara on 2/6/08


Emcee: (1)

Catholics observe a 40-day fast known as Lent just before Easter. This is related to Passover. In fact, just as Passover forbids use of leaven (and is preceded by a ritual where all leaven is purged from the home), Lent forbade meat, so it was preceded by a purging of fat used to cook meat. This was called "Mardi Gras" ("Fat Tuesday" in French), or in Latin, "Carne Vale" ("Farewell to meat" in Latin) from which we get the word "Carnival".
---StrongAxe on 2/5/08


Emcee: (2)

During this time, all remaining fat in the home was used up , and it became a bit of a celebration, since it was the last time meat could be eaten in more than a month. In some areas (like New Orleans and Buenos Aires), this has evolved into celebrations involving wild excesses, but is certainly not like that everywhere.
---StrongAxe on 2/5/08


Wow. We're celebrating Mardi Gras at my church, along with Ash Wednesday, too.
---Kimberly on 2/5/08


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Shrovetide

(Ger. Festnacht, Fastenabend, Fastenienstag). Three days immediately preceding Ash Wednesday, esp. Shrove Tuesday (also called Mardi Gras [Fr. fat Tuesday]). The name is derived from Lat. scribe, to write, in the sense of prescribe, sc. penance: hence shrive: administer absolution, hear confession. Confession and absolution on these days were thought of as preparation for the proper observance of Lent.
---emtp on 2/5/08


What is Ash Wednesday?
Ash Wednesday has been observed since the 7th century. Its name is derived from the
ancient practice of sprinkling ashes upon the heads of penitent people who had
confessed their sins.
---emtp on 2/5/08


The Blessing & Receiving of Ashes--These ashes are from the burning of last years palms from Palm Sunday.If it is your desire,we invite you to participate in this old custom receiving the sign of the cross with ashes on your forehead. Let us pray O Lord,Let these ashes be a reminder to us that we are but dust.May this be a mark of our repentance.Bless all who receive these ashes. May they keep this Lenten season in preparation for the joy of Easter.We ask this through Christ our Lord.Amen
---emtp on 2/5/08


Mardi Gras is "definitely NOT" of christian origin. much less a Cartholic celebration. Rather, it is cultural,innovative pagan practice paganistic in origin to get your fill ofsexual deviant ,carousing drunken revelery in which people parade with grotesque Masks so as not to be recognised while in their drunken illicit open stupor.Hence its deritive is Demonic in appearance.It is held on Shrove Tuesday which is the day before Lent which starts on ASH Wednesday.
---Emcee on 2/5/08


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Why do you have to raise money for the church, Ghost?
That cheapens the gospel, don't you think?
What will happen if you don't raise enough money for the church? Will it disappear?
Mardi Gras day may not be enough, how many fund raising days will be required to keep it afloat?
---Cindy on 2/5/08


Well, from what I hear in church, this festival is used to raise money for the church. There's no alcohol being served and people arent going wild. There's lots of food, rides, and everyone helping out to raise money. I dont know the reason behind calling it Mardi Gras. It's just festival that gets all the believers together. Other churches dont call it Mardi Gras, just a family festival.
---Ghost on 2/5/08


I believe in God the Father Almighty,Maker of heaven and earth.And in Jesus Christ,His only Son,our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,born of the Virgin Mary,suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified,dead, and buried, He descended into hell, the third day He rose again , He ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of God, from thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
---emtp on 2/5/08


I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic* Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.
* catholic means "universal" and is not a reference to the RCC---Apostals Creed Is this also wrong to you Michelle. This is Our Faith in a nutshell so to speak. And it is ALL FROM SCRIPTURES.
---emtp on 2/5/08


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Remember to memorize your MDG.
Millennium Development Goals.
---Kimberly on 2/5/08


Anyone with discernment from the Lord can tell that Mardi Gras is a very evil and demonic celebration. They should rename the day...."Demonic Spirits Running Amuck". Pure evil.
---Holly4jc on 2/5/08


Ash Wednesday and 40 days of Lent.

For whom the bell tolls.

I've been reading emergent church manifesto promotions on many of the blogs. Under every category, there is the ongoing promotion. But I also see an ever increasing oppression and manifestations that come with the promotion of the false church.
---Michelle on 2/4/08


I do not need to know what type of church or where you go, where you live or what you do.
It matters not.

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Jesus Christ is my example.

If we keep our eyes on Jesus Christ, His Words, we can see where the emergent church/village concepts are leading many back into false traditions by promoting them.
Manifestions follow false teaching and error.
---Michelle on 2/4/08


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Are these traditions being incorporated into your church?
If so, you are re-emerging into tradition and a false church that's opening the door to a gospel of fraud. It is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---Michelle on 2/4/08


**As far as I know, its a celebration in New Orleans, not a Catholic tradition.**

It's more a French and Brazilian cultural thing.

Mobile, Alabama, originally settled by French, was the first city to have Mardi Gras, and it's still the oldest such celebration in the USA, though it's been overcome by NO.
---Jack on 2/4/08


michelle--Not sure how you got that i was from an emergant church from my post--or even if you were talking to me but i'd have to definately say no Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
---emtp on 2/4/08


I've been a Catholic Christian (yes, dont be surprised I am a Christian :-))ever since I can remember and I've never heard of this Mardi Gras til I moved to Florida. I never heard as a child going to church in my country, nor in New Jersey where I grew up. I moved to FL 3 years ago and this is were I see that the church does a Mardi Gras festival. As far as I know, its a celebration in New Orleans, not a Catholic tradition.
---Ghost on 2/3/08


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Do you lead an emergent church?

I've read many excerpts from the emergent manifesto on these blogs. There are ex-emergents that are being deprogrammed, coming back to Jesus Christ.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit...
The Trinity of God in three Persons does not belong to a church, They belong to God.

not Oneness pentecostalism - In Jesus Name Only, not SDA theology, not Emergent church manifesto.

Are you the leader of an emergent church?
---Michelle on 2/3/08


#2 Mt 4:1-11 Jesus was led into the desert by the Spirit / tempted by the devil. After fasting for 40 days & nights the devil tempted him 3 times. Jesus demonstrates that he is faithful & qualified to become the savior of all who recieve him. I think things we choose to fast 40 days for Christ is nothing by comparison. By fasting and praying 40 days and staying away from the things that we covet it should be a time you draw closer to God.
---emtp on 2/3/08


#3 It is not something I Have to do as i am not Catholic. My husband is though and I have been doing this for the last four years with him on my own choosing. I look forward to it. I usually try and read the NT in the 40 days and we sit down as a family and choose something together that we know we spend to much time doing to much time that could be spent with god. what could be wrong with that?
---emtp on 2/3/08


#1 Michelle i am not quite sure what you are talking about. You have said quite a lot...are you saying that to participate in the lenten season of 40 days is wrong?, or not biblical? Do you believe in the trinity? Anyone who reads the bible can see that the Father, Son, and Spirit, are one but the Trinity is not actually spoke of in the bible.??
---emtp on 2/3/08


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Ash Wednesday, 40 days of Lent.
Holy water
Making the sign of the cross
Votive candles
Infant baptism
Mary apparitions
A scapular
Miraculous medals
Statues, images of Mary, Saints
Endless rosaries
Novenas
Stations of the Cross
Abstaining from meat on Fridays
Lenten abstinences
Last Rites, indulgences
Mass cards
Graces dispensed from Mary
The confessional
Absolution of sins
Penance, personal suffering to purify sins
Worship the Eucharist
---Michelle on 2/2/08


Are these traditions being incorporated into your church?
If so, you are re-emerging into tradition and a false church that's opening the door to a gospel of fraud. It is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---Michelle on 2/2/08


Emergents that are already in too deep will brush these things aside as minor theological aberrations unique to Catholicism.
Not true. They are essential to the gospel that Rome declares-a gospel of meritorious works that the Bible rejects, see Galatians, Romans, Ephesians.... as a rejection of the completed atonement of Jesus Christ our Savior.
Tradition, which declares to be equal in authority to Scripture, is made up of those things that are necessary for a Catholic's entrance into heaven.
---Michelle on 2/2/08


According to the Word of God, anything that is added to Christ's finished work on the cross is a denial of the gospel: that Christ paid the full penalty for the sins of humanity.

Where do you stand? Are you headed back into tradition and what will you be giving up to defend it?

Ash Wednesday and 40 days of Lent.

Jesus Christ is my example. His sheep know His Voice.
---Michelle on 2/2/08


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Emerging Church is a re-emergence of what has already occurred in church history. If the pattern continues expect to see evangelical Protestants become more and more Roman Catholic/Orthodox.

If you are already in too deep, repent.
Fast and pray for your leadership. Jesus made himself of no reputation. It would be better to wipe the slate clean and start over than to incorporate false traditions into the Gospel.
---Michelle on 2/1/08


"Moderator - It is a new way to reach Christians and the unchurched and was started mostly by Southern Baptists pastors and has now infected the greater Body of Christ. The major theme is to not offend people, therefore they can't talk about sin, hell, repentence, blood of Christ, etc. The church services are to entertain the people and tell them how Christ can help them be better (self motivation). It is one of the greatest threats to Christianity in the 21st century as a false doctrine."
---Michelle on 2/1/08


I was told in school that Mardi Gras was French for Fat Tuesday (literally) and was what we call Shrove Tuesday when the fat and other rich ingredients are used up to make into pancakes, because many people would not be consuming such things during Lent. Anything sinister, to which some of you refer, came later. We can turn absolutely anything into a sinful event if we have that sort of mind.
---RitaH on 2/1/08


There are Emergent Church, seeker friendly churches that observe Ash Wednesday.
It is welcoming and false at the same time.
Seeker friendly churches are incorporating RCC traditions into their churches, mentors, mediators, Ash Wednesday and other days that the RCC celebrates.
It might lure the RC in, but it is a train wreck.
---Michelle on 2/1/08


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Emergent seeker friendly churches, in their efforts to avoid all open hositility to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, are incorporating a little of this, a little of that. It appeals to all.
The New Age Movement does that, too.

At the core of believing you're leading all people to the Truth, it is an overreaching attempt that will backfire. In every age and era, new denominations and religions that appeal to the masses are practiced.
---Michelle on 2/1/08


This is not the will of God.
Few live in His will often, and fewer live in His will most of the time.

Seeker friendly appeals to the articulate intellectual and the unchurched.
Principles of darkness are increasing every day and we are growing closer to the one world church of "divine" order.

If your church is practicing seeker friendly principles, I would run for the nearest exit, immediately.
---Michelle on 2/1/08


This is sending down strange fire on on the altar.

If you belong to this church, you have a massive opportunity to appeal to your pastor for the Body of Christ. Tell you pastor in his efforts to create a brave new world, he is leading others into apostasy. Tell your pastor that like a drug induced coma, he will put the sheep into a drowsy sleep. It is not the will of God.
---Michelle on 2/1/08


Tell your pastor, that if he continues to lead others down a treacherous road, he will be held to a higher accountability for all of his actions to do so.
This is crossing a fragile bridge - bringing all religions and false traditions together. We know what happens when too many are on the fragile bridge, it falls and the water crashes upon them.
---Michelle on 2/1/08


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Cliff: Mardi Gras is another time of the year, just like Halloween, when non-Christians get their immoral (vice-laden, "sin full") freak on.
---Leon on 2/1/08


Oh boy--am tempted to make a big batch of pancakes now Jack--wanna come share them with me? :D LOL!
---Mary on 1/31/08


The feast that spawned Mardi Gras dates back to Roman times but was seriously celebrated by the French. Other parts of Europe call it "Carnival" (same thing,different label)Because of it's French heritage, New Orleans is the U.S. capital of Mardi Gras. Drunken revelry,masked faces, girls will flash their breasts for a string of beads...don't sound too Christian to me!
---1st_cliff on 1/31/08


The original reason for a pancake supper on Shrove Tuesday was to get all the eggs, milk, and butter consumed before Lent started.

Russians are very fond of blini (crepes) on Cheesefare Sunday (day before Eastern Lent starts on Pure Monday) for the same reason.
---Jack on 1/30/08


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It would be more accurate to call it "Western," as in the Eastern Churches--including those that have nothing to do with Rome--Lent starts on Monday.
---Jack on 1/30/08


All Saints Day is simple a day to remember the great man and women that has influence many within the Church. Most Christians honor the many Saints known with the Church (i.e., Saint Augustine, Saint Jerome, etc) as well as those who are "unknown".

I don't consider this a strictly "Catholic" feast day, since the Early Christians use to honor many people who are now called "Saints". Is honoring your Mother on her birthday a sin?
---Ramon on 1/29/08


#2 Early Christians will honor the many Martyrs in the Church. Christians would celebrate the anniversary of a martyr's death for Christ (known as the saint's "birth day") by serving an All-Night Vigil, and then celebrating the Eucharist over their tomb or the shrine at their place of martyrdom.

A commemoration of "All Martyrs" began to be celebrated as early as the year 270 A.D. Saint Basil the Great as well as other Fathers spoke about "feast days" of Saints.
---Ramon on 1/29/08


Forget my last two posts, I thought you were talking about "All Saints Day". Anyway, what do people do on Mardi Gras? Isn't this day tiled to the Easter Celebration?

The best I heard by many people is that this celebrations has been a long tradition of the Church, though I have not investigate this matter further.
---Ramon on 1/29/08


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Mardi Gras is cultural as well as religious. It has traditionally been a day of revelry to celebrate before going into Lent, a period of self-sacrifice.

There are aspects of Mardi Gras that most believers would choose not to participate in, such as heavy drinking and partying, as well as some gluttonous stuff. I would choose to use it as a day of prayer for the lost, and to reflect on God's goodness to me.
---Trish9863 on 1/29/08


I don't see any connection between Mardi Gras and Catholicism. But I've heard or read that Catholics in history have held party-like celebrations just before a day after which they would be required to go without certain pleasures.

I'd say pleasures should not be so significant to us, that we'd make a point of seeking them just before we are going to make a sacrifice. I'd be more attentive to loving each other, to submitting to God for sharing with Him.
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/08


ALL Christians should avoid Mardi Gras. If you think on what it means (a day to sin), Sin is the theme. The next day is Ash Wednesday (a day to repent of sin). While we should repent of our sin, God does not forgive those who sin willfully like this, knowing it's wrong, but doing it anyway. He will not forgive people their sin, just because it is a day to sin.
---Leslie on 1/29/08


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