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MarkV::Your disbelief in the Catholic Church caused you to Disbelieve the teachings of the H/S which you have refused to acknowledge hence the Apostacy.so what spirit is it you are following using your own interpretation of the bible."Oh ye of little Faith"You have traded the Genuine God for a bunch of Pyrites.You did not TRUST your GOD.the father of liars got another one buffalowed,hog tied and breathing Hard.
---Emcee on 3/15/08


Thank you Eloy for looking into the inside of my heart. "You didn't see anything because you are blinded by your own proclaim light." it is so bright you cannot see "the Real light." I do love you anyway just as much as I love Emcee. I wake up waiting for your next comment. You are not a threat to me, I don't live in your town. Have a happy day Eloy, I would not like to see you mad.
---Mark_V. on 3/14/08


"Yes, the sheep and goats are being separated and gathering together respectively.
---Moderator on 2/7/08"

The Church or One World Government.
Wheat or tares.

There's an uncivil war for your heart.

---Michelle on 3/14/08


One thing about me Emcee, I have no doubts. I am sure of my faith because it comes from the word of God. I am not God as some claim, but I know how to give the reason for why I believe in what I believe. Jesus birth I have no doubt. I did when I was a Catholic. I didn't know any better since I trusted the church teachings without question like you do. Now I know different because the Bible tells me the Truth. It never lies for God does not lie.
---Mark_V. on 3/14/08


I do not ignore Christ's sufferings, but millions of "innocent" souls have suffered horrible brokeness and malignities that Jesus himself has not. Many people have undergone horrible and unspeakable sufferings that Christ indeed was spared from. Chemotherapy was not heard of 2,000 years ago, and Jesus did not undergo any, but I have done 2 years of it. Jesus did not even suffer a broken bone. Instead the man Christ Jesus was God whom easily walked on top of the water which he himself created.
---Eloy on 3/14/08




.markv, you speak falsehood, because there is no light in you. If you would actually listen to my preaching, you would hear Jesus being exalted, and not cut down as you foolishly and wrongfully say. But until you get saved, instead of the truth you will hear what you desire to hear, and believe what you desire to believe, and say whatever you desire to say.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


.emcee, you speak falsehood, and since I am a born-again Christian I know Christ and have been blessed with his mind and therefore know the very things of God. I am not able to receive your falsehood, but I think that catholic blogs would welcome your catholicism.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


Frances ... # 1 "it is not really important whether Jesus had brothers or sisters so I won't repeat what I think"
But to Emcee and MarkV it is important
---alan_of_UK on 3/14/08


Frances ... # 2 .To Emcee it is important to show that Mary remained a perpetual virgin and sinless throughout her life (although how having further children within marriage would be sinful I can't imagine)
This allows what I regard as their over-esteem of Mary
---alan_of_UK on 3/14/08


Frances ... # 3 .. To anti-Catholics it is important tht she did have children, because tht would show this RC doctrine to be incorrect, and thus the RC to be evil (although why a doubtful doctrine should make the RCC evil I can't imagine ... after all most denomintions including Calvinists have doubtful doctrines)
---alan_of_UK on 3/14/08




Frances ... # 4
The problem is the tendency among some to look for what divides us, instead of rejoicing in what unites us.
---alan_of_UK on 3/14/08


Emcee, I am bias towards the word of God no matter who goes against it. You have not read my other answers to others. You need to get the whole picture. God's Word is not confusing and can be understood by a child. It is those that have an agenda outside Scripture who will not see.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/08


You think like an equal of God,Not as His child with trust and humility.Until you CHANGE you will stew in your doubt.

By Emcee (written to Mark V)


Emcee...I do not see or perceive that Mark has any doubt at all in what he believes/knows is true, so certainly he is NOT stewing in his doubt. And the child-like trust and humility that you claim you have and we all need, is NOT based on faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone, but on your denomination and the teachings of your church/pope.
---Holly4jc on 3/13/08


MarkV::TRUTH is stronger and stranger than Fiction.You come back because of your Bias which creates a doubt, otherwise you would not reply.You cannot deny the fact that God's word is Proved BY HISTORY in Matt16:17-19The Virgin birth of Jesus defies your curiosity in his word which puzzles your imagination. You think like an equal of God,Not as His child with trust and humility.Until you CHANGE you will stew in your doubt.
---Emcee on 3/13/08


My Grandfather & his family came to this Country in 1748, He was a Judge & Preacher & my Grandmother His wife, Her name was/is Mary Magdalena, Do you think this could be a Relative of Jesus's Friend Mary?
My family knew & fought w/G.Washington,
Joe Smith's families farm was next to my families in Fayette, when he found those tablets, that the LDS is founded on.
Buldings Come & Go, BUT the Church that is within you, WILL NEVER FALL!

---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/13/08


Emcee: Matthew 12,49 tells me only of how Jesus was speaking to the crowd and somebody told him his mother and brothers wanted to talk to him about something and Jesus said that all who do the will of the Father is like family to him. It tells me that Christains are just as important to Jesus as his biological family is. It does not say anything about Jesus not having brothers or sisters, to the contrary as a matter of fact!
---sue on 3/13/08


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Emcee, your teachings is not from God's Word so it means nothing to me. Accually one of the reasons I answer is because of your attack on the real word of God. I believe they need to be addressed so that others can learn from Scripture and not from what you say. The worship of images and idols and saints and the giving of praises to them has really no excuse whatsoever. It keeps reminding us that we should be careful we never do what you do or believe what you believe.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/08


#2. Emcee: You have to believe the Word of God in order to be a believer, and even then, the Spirit has to open those passages for you. The denominational RCC does not bring light to God's word The Spirit does. The building is a place people gather. And when two or more gather in His name, not in anyone else's, God is present. Christ is the object of our faith not anyone else.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/08


Emcee, it is not really important whether Jesus had brothers or sisters so I won't repeat what I think. However, it is important to see that there was a terrible persecution of all believers after Jesus died and rose again.
---frances008 on 3/12/08


They went into almost complete hiding, and/or were jailed. Jesus's (brothers and sisters) are stated in the gospels to have been a mixed bag. Some of them were, if not all, against Jesus because they were embarrassed by him. So the authorities might have left them alone and let them disappear into a quiet life, like Mary did indeed do.
---frances008 on 3/12/08


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I wonder if Darlene1 (who thinks I am paranoid) would have thought of those in hiding as paranoid. There certainly was a reaason to be. But I think God gives His People strength to speak out and accept the punishment.
---frances008 on 3/12/08


---j._nonymous

A real church is:

made up of baptized believers (sanctified in Christ and called to be saints).Acts 10:48, 1 Cor 1:2

The Spirit is present during worship. Heb. 2:12

(Worship consisting of prayer, singing, and preaching.)

Contains 2 ordinances: Baptism and Communion.

The truth of the gospel can be heard there. 1 Tim 3:15, Col 4:16

Christ is the head. Col 1:18

Loved by Christ. Eph 5:25

Pastors are also called elders. 1 Cor 1:2
---trey on 3/12/08


Emcee ... Please read my blogs carefully. Although I addressed one to you, that was in error ... and it should have been to Eloy, and I did write to correct that.
You will not recall saying that thing, because you did not! It was Eloy!
You have never said your suffering was greater than Christ's. How can anybody's be?
We both agree with what Pharisee has said.
---alan_of_UK on 3/12/08


Alan of UK::My Friend you canna understand an enigma.Everyone has a point of Frustration, just pray and leave him to contemplate.I guess you can say dont kick a man when he is down, it's not cricket.
---Emcee on 3/12/08


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Holly:: I love you too, except when you say something that has no SALT. If I have sounded like an oaf, its because of my staunchness I also seek your friendship and the love we are asked to Share inHis name.Peace be with You Dear lady.
---Emcee on 3/12/08


Answer must be that you regard your suffering too highly.
---alan_of_UK on 3/11/08

There's a part of Jesus' suffering no one really considers. It a suffering few have endured, being slaughtered for doing ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong.

We get that in degrees, but Jesus REALLY never fell short for all the ages.

There is the suffering of watching a part of the world fall away in unbelief, yes we feel that one, but did you create them?
Cmon, NOBODY has suffered as our Lord still does!
---Pharisee on 3/12/08


Ever been rejected?

Jesus reaches down to the most VILE of sinners giving them the opportunity to come to God, can you count the years and ages of men, better still in all those years and ages can you count the people Jesus knew personally that rejected him?

Can you count the lost at the end of the age, do you see their torments if they don't change have you given up your personal dignity and proper place of majesty to take the place of every sinner who ever lived?
Fasted 40 days?
---Pharisee on 3/12/08


Emcee ... I know all that ... my lack of understanding is of how Eloy imagines that if Jesus' suffereing was so slight as he says, how did He save us.
---alan_of_UK on 3/12/08


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Emcee....I forgive you and pray God's richest blessings upon you always, even though we tend to disagree alot, still, I want only the best for you. :-)
---Holly4jc on 3/12/08


Eloy, I don't see how you could know the second salvation was the real one. What happened to the first salvation? You say now that you bear in your body the marks of Christ, why don't you just say, move over Christ, for I am equal to you? That is your next move. You cut Him down, you make yourself as the light that He saw, You were there when Lucifur fail from the sky, and now you have in your body the marks of Christ. What is next I cannot wait to hear that.
---Mark_V. on 3/12/08


Sue/RitaH::A person convinced against their will, is of the same opinion still.But let us examine the script, with the Holy spirit.Matt13:55:56.Here the PEOPLE talking, were amazed at Jesus's wisdom considering what his status was, son of a lowly Carpenter.Matt13:55, is not his declaration of His Progeny.But go toMatt12:49 This IS JESUS speaking .Does he affirm a Family.if so where, If he had a family would He God deny it?Does God tell lies Search your Heart with the TRUE and only Holy Spirit.
---Emcee on 3/12/08


Alanof Uk and MarkV::The truth is NOT complicated but the unravelling IS.In a tangled ball of string or maze there are 2 ends.Acceptance is better than unravelling to find out a self evident truth.Why else are we called CHILDREN, children put their trust by belief in Him.IF you are or want to be HIS CHILD.The other alternative is DISBELIEF which leads you to- YOU KNOW WHERE.Matter of CHOICE.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


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Eloy::Your claim to be sanctified and one as God is all empty BOAST.Glorifying Yourself.Give glory to Your creator. There is only one God His name JESUS Christ.Jesus said said He hates sin but loves the sinner.You sir hate all who disagree with your Ramblings and self Edification.Sorry I would rather remain an RCCthan a proud man like you who is devoid of Humility.You may go whereever it is in Peace.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


Alan of Uk::I don't recall saying that but if you saw the Scourging at the Pillar of an innocent man,as GOD, being literally Flogged to death for something He was not Guilty of but took the blame for Our sins just so we could enter the gates of HIS kingdom in obedience to His Father. Then that is Love in the highest degree. Bringing Tears to my eyes, I do not know about the rest.What about the carrying of His cross and being Nailed to it.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


Sorry ... This should hve been addressed to Eloy, not Emcee
"What puzzles me is how Jesus' suffering, being as you say so slight compared to our own, can possibly have been a sufficient sacrifice to save us"
Answer must be that you regard your suffering too highly.
---alan_of_UK on 3/11/08


Sue ::Dear lady your quote is not what appears by our todays comprehension of siblings,which is todays immediate family. the changing times have done this .The children of a family belonging to the same blood in our days are called Cousins in the east they call em cousin brothers and cousin sisters.Thus the misunderstanding in the usage of siblings which is different.read matt12:49. ever wondered what became of Jesus bros,sisters?There were never any.Jesus is the son of God but as man he was JESUS.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


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Alan of Ul:: Once you acknowledge him as God then you will understand.Did He as a creator have to come and open the gates of Heaven which had been closed by man's sinfulness? NO but He did it out of love and this is what many do not understand and take for granted.He flooded the earth once.This was HIS creation HIS will therefore it MUST BE DONE .there is a place for those who do not comply.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


Alan of Ul:: Once you acknowledge him as God then you will understand.Did He as a creator have to come and open the gates of Heaven which had been closed by man's sinfulness? NO but He did it out of love and this is what many do not understand and take for granted.He flooded the earth once.This was HIS creation HIS will therefore it MUST BE DONE .there is a place for those who do not comply.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


Holly ::Dear please accept my apology if I have made a false accusation.To err is human,age is also a factor but no excuse.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


Emcee ... What puzzles me is how Jesus' suffering, being as you say so slight compared to our own, can possibly have been a sufficient sacrifice to save us.
---alan_of_UK on 3/11/08


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Emcee...I have NEVER once made the statement that you were prideful. I know I have seen others do that, but I have not. You must be somewhat confused as to who said what.
---Holly4jc on 3/11/08


Norma::With due respect that is how thieves enter and steal everything you have, sowing their own seeds of disruption Would you want that?I say its possible but not probable.Jesus had a solution let em grow together then seperate and burn them at Harvest time.
---Emcee on 3/11/08


Emcee: MATTHEW 13:55-56, and MARK 6:3, both say, "Is not this the carpenter, the Son of Mary, the brother of JAMES, and JO'SES (JOSEPH), and of JUDE and SIMON? And are not His sisters here with us?" Doesn't this say Jesus had siblings?

Also, I was wondering why all your posts are posted 2 times all the time?
---sue on 3/11/08


.alanOfUk, are you asking me a queation, on "how" I was save, or are you merely posting into the air? I have posted on this forum more than once on how I come to be saved, and I also have given many times the exact way for any soul to become a saved born-again Christian just as I myself am. But you are so busy mocking me that you are not receiving my words: or else you are reading them, but for whatever cause you have, you do not desire this same salvation for yourself.
---Eloy on 3/11/08


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.markv, My salvation is already proven, for I bear in my body the marks of Christ: his seed lives in me and I live in him, and I bear good fruit and I do the works of Christ. If you are not able to know that I am saved by what I do and by what I say, then you yourself abide in darkness. For we the sanctified of God know whom else is also the sanctified of God, just as I know every member of mine own body, and you are no part of my body.
---Eloy on 3/11/08


#3. Emcee: Here is what happens when someone brings Scripture to you to show you are wrong in your intepretation, you come out with other statement that is more rediculous then the first, and if someone brings forth truth you, what you do is just add another unbiblical statement. It never stops either. Pretty soon everything you say is distorted to the point where you just have to make a remark I am stung by a scorpion. That is no going to get you anywhere Emcee.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/08


Emcee, which scriptures convince you that Mary had no other children?
---RitaH on 3/11/08


.emcee, My Almighty Lord was killed by sinners at 32 years of age, and not 33 1/2, and he raised himself and is enthroned to Judge all the wicked. And since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but I think that catholic blogs would welcome your catholicism.
---Eloy on 3/11/08


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Mark V ... I tried to compose a post saying the same thing to Emcee, but found myself going round in circles!
If Mary is the new Eve, as you say she would be the mother of Satan's children, which does not fit in with the RC claim that she was sinless.
Don't they make it complicated!
---alan_of_UK on 3/10/08


MarkV::You and HOLLY accuse me of Pride, well I shall overlook your remark but I will say you lack understanding .THIS church instituted by JESUS in Matt16:17-19 is GUIDED by the Holy Spirit and hence Cannot Be wrong.Matt28:20.NObody can prove that wrong.GOD'S word stands undefeated undivided "the gates of Hell shall Not Prevail against IT."
---Emcee on 3/10/08


MarkV :: You are Oh so wrong reflect what you say.God created only ONE of Mary for His son she did not have other children so what you say is impossible.you are hopping in the dark in the hopes you will not be stung by a scorpion.Mary is the denominator to the fraction of Jesus.He is the nominator.
---Emcee on 3/10/08


MarkV :: You are Oh so wrong reflect what you say.God created only ONE of Mary for His son she did not have other children so what you say is impossible.you are hopping in the dark in the hopes you will not be stung by a scorpion.Mary is the denominator to the fraction of Jesus.He is the nominator.
---Emcee on 3/10/08


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To me a real church is one that bases it's principles on the Holy Bible. One that is friendly and greets new comers and makes them want to come back. One that teaches anyone that wants to be baptised before they are baptised. So many people are baptised and join a church before they even know anything about the Bible. They find that they are going to have to give up their wrong life styles and they aren't ready to give them up. Christ, and only Christ, should be the leader and head of any church.
---Norma7374 on 3/10/08


To me a real church is one that bases it's principles on the Holy Bible. One that is friendly and greets new comers and makes them want to come back. One that teaches anyone that wants to be baptised before they are baptised. So many people are baptised and join a church before they even know anything about the Bible. They find that they are going to have to give up their wrong life styles and they aren't ready to give them up. Christ, and only Christ, should be the leader and head of any church.
---Norma7374 on 3/10/08


If the question means what church has the real truth, then the answer is NONE OF THEM!

But the time will come (Rev.3:4) when a few will have this NEW truth and feed it to the hungry (those searching for truth). The tribulation is to wake people up to ask what real truth is about. The 144K will then wake up the bride's maids and together with the 5 wise, will help get the bride ready during this time by presenting the straight testimony of Jesus.
---Dr.Rich on 3/10/08


Emcee, if you are correct and Mary is the woman in Genesis 3:15 then the children of the Devil also come from her. For the seed of Satan has to come from someone and if it was not Eve and you say Mary is the person in 3:15 then you have Mary having the Children of Satan. I believe you should back off of that concept Emcee, the only thing you are doing is giving her a bad name, charging her for having Satan's seed. That is why I said, it is Eve. Don't you get it? Put your pride aside at least once.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/08


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What I don't understand is how Eloy was saved.
Is it not Christ's suffering that saved/saves us?
If His suffering was less than ours, how could it be sufficient to save?
---alan_of_UK on 3/10/08


Steveng ... I am very surptised that you cannot see that I been saying exactly the same as you.
Eloy has spotted that now.
---alan_of_UK on 3/10/08


Eloy::People who suffer 2 or 3 times more than Our Lord and saviour in a life span of 33-1/2, with broken bones, divorce and even the worse atrocities, Cannot compare! WHY? BECAUSE this man was GOD innocent of any crime.sinless immaculate who gave His life blood to save your Worthless contemptible soul, on the behest of HIS FATHER.You speak from the belly of the one who is damned unless you bow and ask His forgiveness.Your Pride is the same as he who is the cause of mans lamentation.NO need to reply.
---Emcee on 3/10/08


Alan of Uk::Don't even try He is beyond himself to a point of insanity.Just pray for Him that would be the best bet.
Steveng:: You missed the whole point of Alans Post, that was Eloys claim notice how Eloy erupts with ALL those who oppose his view.PEACE.
---Emcee on 3/10/08


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MarkV::You have already been offically advised. Hope you understand where the NEW doctrine is coming from.Do you think you will find pineapples growing on Cocoanut trees? But you will find the truth in Genesis 3:15 if you care to seek (with Humility) who is "THE WOMAN"(singular) who was created to be the mother of the earthly God JESUS who was also the alpha and omega of Time"It IS His word so it is NOT NEW.
---Emcee on 3/10/08


I am amazed at how much animosity you show each other! It makes me sad that this is what the church has come down to. Bickering about who is better an putting others down. I have been raised AG, I have been to Lutheran churches, Pentecostal, Methodist, Non Denominational, each of them have their good and bad qualities. The question is, are they preaching the gospel and are you being fed spiritually? If you are and you feel at home, I say that is a quality place!
---Ben on 3/9/08


Eloy, how is it proven and manifested that you are saved by Christ? you have no way of proving anything other then what you say, and so far what you say is not from the Bible. So you have no prove other then your word and your word means zero. If it was manifested the first time you got saved why did you have to get save again? So I recommend that you really do get save again but this time you have to mean it.
---Mark_V. on 3/8/08


.alanOfUk, I have no care about your misjudgments of the truth that I speak. You will see whose words are "ridiculous", as you mock, and whose words will stand.
---Eloy on 3/8/08


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alan_of_UK:

I strongly stand by what I said.

Your petty problems, like everyone's, is small compared to what Jesus went through. A human will never have the love that Jesus/God has for his people. With a love so strong and being rejected by humans is the ultimate in pain. This is beside the fact that you have never been tortured so you could never experience the pain of torture. You could never survive the torture to the Jews at the Holocaust. Many Christians won't survive the Tribulation.
---Steveng on 3/7/08


I really don't know how to reply to Eloy.
He amazes me.
---alan_of_UK on 3/7/08


#4. Emcee: If Mary is in Genesis 3:15 then you have started another religion. And even though that is a big error by the church to raise Mary to Savior it is very wrong to imply that the Devil's children come from Satan. Satan never had any children. All are decendants of Eve. The line of Jesus comes from Eve. The Devil's children also come from Eve. I don't really know how they could say it was Mary, but I guess what they say and what is truth is mixed.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/08


.markv, the saved such as I am do not need to be saved by Christ because I am already proven and manifested to be saved by christ, but the unsaved such as you are still need to be saved.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


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.markv, the saved such as I am do not need to be saved by Christ because I am already proven and manifested to be saved by Christ, but the unsaved such as you are still need to be saved.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.markv, "I am not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance."
---Eloy on 3/7/08


Steveng ... Please note that MarkV now understands what I meant, and that I was trying to point out how ridiculous Eloy's claim is.
We all individually suffer in ways that Jesus did not suffer (I for example currently suffer because of the distress of seeing the pain of my ex-girlfreind folllowing our break-up ... and Jesus would not have suffered in this way)
But as you say, these things cannot compare with the ultimate suffereing He endured
---alan_of_UK on 3/7/08


steveng, you speak falsehood, for there is no light in you. "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Because you all are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution."
---Eloy on 3/6/08


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.steveng, It is good that you have been reading my posts, because they are from the Lord Jesus Christ. But your dissing is of Satan, and therefore you need to repent from your service to sin and instead serve Christ, else you will remain under God's wrath and you will perish in your sin as the eternal adversary of God, and the enemy of the cross.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.alanOfUk, Jesus only lived 32 years, millions live out suffering and persecution twice that age and even three times more than this. Jesus never had a broken bone, many had multiple fractures and broken bones. Jesus never suffered a divorce, never had children kidnapped, never was robbed, never paid extortion, never had every endeavor and joy taken, he never was stricken with fatal diseases, he never had to fight against the ungodly laws of the land only to be destroyed along with his family by it, etc.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.alanOfUk, Even though I speak the truth and prove what I speak is the truth, you still believe and say whatever you desire, because you are not of the truth: for all that are of the truth will know that what I say is the truth.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


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