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Virgin Birth Of Jesus Christ

Is the virgin birth of Jesus Christ an absolute essential belief in Christianity?

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The doctrine of the virgin birth is crucially important (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23, Luke 1:27,34).Denying a physical connection between Mary and Jesus would imply that Jesus was not truly human. Scripture teaches that Jesus was fully human, with a physical body like ours. This He received from Mary. At the same time, Jesus was fully God, with an eternal, sinless nature. See John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16, and Hebrews 2:14-17.
---Court7646 on 2/26/08

Look The blessed Mother was found with child before married. It was caused by God.
He placed His dearly beloved Son with whom he is well pleased with..The Son who is full of grace and truth...Jesus the Christ, Emmanuel, messiah, King of Kings, Prince into a safe place.
The womb...Jesus was conceived through Mary a virgin..Pure and holy, innocent and worthy.
Honor the mother of the Lord...He did.

Praise God!
---lisa on 2/22/08

Rita, I refer to Jesus being fully human, and I have said somewhere that I believed Jesus as a small boy might have committed sins like other small boys. By human I mean 'able to sin' and the gospel writers lived in a time when you could write what you believed whether you had evidence or not, and who were the people who witnessed Jesus birth? What were their names? I am not saying it was not true. Just I have some questions. Was the Holy Sprit the mother or father or what?
---frances on 2/21/08

If Jesus was fully human, as I believe he was, then he must have had both a mother (Mary) and a father (Joseph from whose line he came according to the prophets.) IF the Holy Spirit caused Jesus to be born, which parent, or was it both, that the Holy Spirit was?
---frances on 2/21/08

If the Holy Spirit was one or both of Jesus's parents, then that makes him 0 per cent human DNA or 50 per cent. All very silly. Like angels on a head of a pin. But a question that could lead to strange doctrines.
---frances on 2/21/08

Alan of Uk, I think you misunderstand me. I am sure that Mary had not been with a man before Joseph. The thing I am debating is whether the Holy Ghost made the baby Jesus, or whether God made the baby through natural methods. It would not affect my opinion of Jesus being God's only Son. God can do anything. I am not denying that God was the father and/or mother to the child. Just that there is another possibility. The sources are my problem. Luke's and Matthew's.
---frances on 2/21/08

I see some problems with both calling Joseph and/or Mary, the foster parent, and Jesus not being totally human. Also in the Egyptian Nimrod Semaris, and the Isis Horus Seb stories and others of the time, a Virgin Birth was mandatory for all gods/ or humans claiming to have had god-children. Maybe their were some people trying to put that onto Jesus. I'm not saying it IS so. Just it is a very possible scenario. Some Bible scholars seem to think so.
---frances on 2/21/08

It further interests me that Paul does not seem to mention the Virgin Birth and that John (eye witness) specifically mentions the locals saying 'Hey, but this miracle man is just Mary and Joseph's son....' and Mark's gospel (a source gospel) hardly mentions Mary. John was a gnostic favourite gospel so why doesn't it mention Virgin Birth. They believed Jesus was only Divine.
---frances on 2/21/08

Randy/Frances:The concept of the Incarnation is a hard comprehending concept,like the Trinity. It is a doctrine it must be accepted as truth. We know God created the world therefor it is HIS brain child He therefore controls it,us.The introduction of Evil (Satan)has been an obstacle.Even here with all His power He does not resort to force, but His desire to LOVE,the alpha and omega of subsistence.can you not see HIS WISH to be His children.TRUST have faith,He comes to show us HIS WAYone flock.HIS.
---Emcee on 2/21/08

"The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God." [Luke 1:35} 1. This shows that salvation must come from the Lord. 2. The virgin birth made possible the uniting of full deity and full humanity in one person. 3. The virgin birth also makes possible Christ's true humanity without inherited sin.>>>YES, you must believe to be a True Christian.
---catherine on 2/21/08

I am with Jack, while it is important as Tommy said to understand that what was spoken of in the Old Testament that a Son was going to be born to a virgin, and is important to believe, many have not grasped the whole of God's Word depending where they are at in the faith. Some brothers/sister ares far ahead of others. But will be able to understand it later in their walk of faith. But not essential for salvation but essential for understanding the whole of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 2/21/08

Frances ... you say "In Jesus's day, every mother who had a baby for the first time to her first husband was a virgiin, whether the child was conceived in the betrothal period, or more likely, after the wedding ceremony"
But Mary heself asked how she could have a baby, becase she had not "known" a man. That shows that she was a virgin as is commonly understood ... that she had not had sex, not that she was not married.
---alan_of_UK on 2/21/08

Frances ... you say "Also, if she is not the blood mother of Jesus, (whereas Joseph is the blood father - another anomaly) then why do the gospels talk of Jesus BROTHERS"
Therwe are very few here (eloy being one) who aregue that Mary was not the true blood mother of Jesus.
Most of us say that she conceived ,,, and that makes her the true mother, not just a "rent-a-womb", as those few claim.
---alan_of_UK on 2/21/08

Frances "Jesus was the Son of God - also fully human". "Jesus was made MAN, not half and half." "The gospel writers were even more human" Could you explain what you mean here? How human was Jesus in your estimation, if He were less human that the gospel writers - 75%, perhaps? Are you saying that Joseph was the biological father of Jesus or not?
---RitaH on 2/21/08

Emcee, I concede this one to your side. I will accept the Virgin birth, I just think that having the Biblical accounts should not make us incapable of reasoning. I still have some unanswered questions - maybe the answers will come when/if I go to Heaven.
---frances on 2/20/08

Mary was not stoned because Joseph married her

Matthew 1:18-25
---Rhonda on 2/20/08

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Jesus linage is recorded in Matthew for the Jews prove lineage and that he is the Messiah this is not to prove he was born of Joseph

Mary and Joseph were married before Christ was born. Jewish tradition (in marriage) places lineage in the fathers name.
---Rhonda on 2/20/08

Frances::Your random posts keep you from Trusting in God bcause you cannot undertand the strange happenings in His wordThe writings of the 4 Gospels are unique.Matthew deals with incidents Concerning men Law morals. Mark deals with his life.Luke with His Birth the prophecy & his authority. John talks aboutHow we must draw the most benefit to understand him.If all 4 gospels were the same it would be repetition.Jesus said His kingdom is made of cchildren, Trust just like a child trusts.
---Emcee on 2/20/08

*In Jesus's day, every mother who had a baby for the first time to her first husband was a virgiin, whether the child was conceived in the betrothal period, or more likely, after the wedding ceremony.*
Hmm how come we don't see that reflected in the Bible when other children are born? The Bible is clear that she was a virgin and this was of the holy spirit - Matt 1:18 "...when as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
---Randy on 2/20/08

The virgin birth of Christ isn't a Catholic, Protestant or Satanic concept, it is a Biblical concept. Please reread the Gospels which predate the denominations.
---Moderator on 2/20/08

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If the RC contingent come down on me like a heavy hammer, I will be more convinced that Jesus was entirely made in a human way. Because the RCC church guards certain ideas and will not put up with anyone thinking different to them.
---frances on 2/20/08

This argument to me is like arguing how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. It is entirely irrelevant to faith in God or in Jesus and to our obedience to His Laws (Their Laws).
---frances on 2/20/08

With Paul's epistles and the Acts of the Apostles as further evidence (or lack of it) I would suggest that the weight of evidence is that Jesus was not conceived miraculously, and that the Nativity Stories, are just that, stories to help us see that Jesus was the Son of God - also fully human. The gospel writers were even more human and possibly decorated their originally received traditions.
---frances on 2/20/08

In Jesus's day, every mother who had a baby for the first time to her first husband was a virgiin, whether the child was conceived in the betrothal period, or more likely, after the wedding ceremony. Why should it be such a stumbling block. Jesus was made MAN, not half and half.
---frances on 2/20/08

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Contrary to what many people might believe, I am not a fundamentalist. I believe in the diligent study of sources. The fact that two gospel writers wrote of the miraculous conception does not prove it to me, because two did not write about it. You have to understand that those gospel writers were as prone to changing the real news for the better news as are new translators of the Bible.
---frances on 2/20/08

Of course Mary was a Virgin, because she was UNMARRIED. If she conceived miraculously (and it is POSSIBLE) then I have a question which troubles me, 'Why was she not stoned to death as an adultrous?' Also, if she is not the blood mother of Jesus, (whereas Joseph is the blood father - another anomaly) then why do the gospels talk of Jesus BROTHERS. Seems to me the Bible either contradicts itself, or contradicts SOCIETY or else possibly Matthew and Luke wanted a miraculous birth.
---frances on 2/20/08

I know as a Catholic I was forced to accept Jesus was conceived by a miracle. I could even accept it if somehow Jesus made me believe so. But, as far as I know the Spanish Inquisition is not yet in full swing again, and I would rather believe that Jesus was conceived naturally, by his father and mother. But still from God.
---frances on 2/20/08

Eloy ... You say ... "The ture Christian believes every word of God in the New Testament, and does not pick and choose which part they will believe and discard other parts"
If that's the case, why do yuo deny that Mary conceived Jesus and that she was his real mother, but that Jesus was just inserted into her womb??
---alan_of_UK on 2/20/08

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Ro 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith (or faithfulness) of God without effect?

Mima, they can choose not to believe, but it doesn't change the fact that Christ was born of a virgin.

Man can believe that salvation is by works, but it doesn't change the fact that salvation is by grace.

What's essential is Christ's crucifixion.
---trey on 2/15/08

The ture Christian believes every word of God in the New Testament, and does not pick and choose which part they will believe and discard other parts.
---Eloy on 2/15/08

Frankly, no. For Joseph to believe it was important, but it's hardly necessary for the rest of us.

What IS important for the rest of us to believe are Christ's TEACHINGS.

Otherwise, the whole thing is pointless.
---Nancy on 2/15/08

Yes and most importantly because it establishes him as the unique son of God. Nothing could've been as powerful and heart turning as hearing Jesus say this, and all that was needed was for a soul to be seeking truth...John 18:37- Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
A willful soul that cannot bear truth beyond the point of self scrutiny cannot hear his voice, he forfeited his golden ticket to the high road of God's grace with hardness of heart. The virgin birth is truth.
---Joe on 2/14/08

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With the right meaning, yes..."Even the demons believe---and tremble!" (in James 2:19) The virgin birth of Jesus is not just a belief issue thing, but this shows how God is able to do such a thing...more easily than it is for you or I to think about it (o: So, we can depend on You for all You guarantee...including the resurrection of us in the end, and Jesus Christ's "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29 > do we believe THIS?)
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/13/08

The virgin birth IS in the Bible, therefore, if you do not believe in it, you call God a liar, and are NOT a TRUE Christian.
---Leslie on 2/13/08

Although I do believe in the virgin birth I don't see any Scripture to support that a person must. When I accepted Jesus I didn't even know what a virgin was. I doubt that salvation will be based on a belief in this.
---john on 2/13/08

This question raised in different forms is so out dated it is only valuable to those who 1.Either want an audience. 2.Wish to disprove a Truth,as stated in Gods word.By their Fruits you shall know them.
---Emcee on 2/13/08

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Since the Virgin Birth is clearly taught in two Gospels, if one believes the Bible, then one believes the Virgin Birth.

However, we are at different levels in our faith ability (for lack of a better term). If someone said, "I believe that Jesus is God-Man risen from the dead, but not the Virgin Birth," wait for God to work on him.
---Jack on 2/13/08

Yes, I believe this is essential to being a christian. The Scriptires foretold a "virgin" birth, and if Jesus had been born as a result of natural conception He would be just another man. He is NOT just another man but God in the flesh. If a person can't accept the virgin birth, then they need to try again.
---tommy3007 on 2/13/08

Yes it is. You should know this answer.
---Rebecca_D on 2/13/08

Mima, I would say that anyone who has a problem with believing in the virgin birth of Jesus has a serious problem with their 'faith'. The fact that He was born that way is what makes Him different from every other person who has ever walked the earth, so if their faith isn't strong enough to believe that, what else will they also not be able to believe?
---RitaH on 2/13/08

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Absolutely.If not for the virgin birth He would just be a great man a prophet as the muslims believe.
---shirley on 2/13/08

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