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What Happens At Death

In your opinion, what happens after death for the believer and for the unbeliever?

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So it is agreed the bible calls death sleep. But the objection is made it might not mean what it says. The verse that says the dead are awake is not provided which would answer any point I or other Conditionalists make. But it is not provided. A plain thus saith the LORD is ignored or explained away to make room for a speculation.

The Bible in I Corithians 15 says we will awake and be changed at the Second Coming of JESUS. Why is that false?
---Samuel on 4/10/08


Rebecca, You need to read my post again. The misplaced comma makes it read as if Jesus was telling him that he would be in paradice on the same day when Jesus was actually telling him on that day that he would later be with him. I even put Jesus words to Mary after resurrection that Jesus had not yet gone to the Father.
We agree, isn't that wonderful.
---Chip on 4/10/08


Well said Lee.
---deb on 4/9/08


While the Bible speaks of death as sleep, one can always interpret those verses with sleep as an euphemism for death.

It is much the same way that the Bible speaks of a man knowing a woman, meaning that he had sexual intercourse with her resulting in birth of a child.

Gen.4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bare a son...
---Lee on 4/9/08


Catherine and Chip: Jesus didn't promise the thief on the cross that he see paradise that very same day. The thief asked Christ remember him when he comes into his kingdom. Christ's kingdom hasn't came down yet. Because he said that he would go to prepare a place for us. John 14:1-6. To say that KJV mis-placed a comma is just silly.
---Rebecca_D on 4/8/08




The Bible says we sleep.

1Cr 11:30 For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

JESUS raises us from the grave.

1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
---Samuel on 4/8/08


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Although physical death is sometimes compared to sleep, scripture does not teach that one's consciousness lapses after death to reawaken at the day of resurrection and judgment.
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Which scripture do you refer to or is that just opinion?

Ecc 9:5, Psalm 6:5, Ecc 3:20 Dead know nothing, thoughts perish, all of dust return to dust

Dan 12:2
many of them that sleep in dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt
---Rhonda on 4/7/08


Catherine, Jesus said "I tell you this day, you will be with me in paradice". KJV puts a comma in the wrong place.(no comma in Greek) The meaning is "I tell you this day, (that) you will be with me in paradice". We know this also because he told Mary not to touch him, after resurrection, he had not yet gone to my father.
---Chip on 4/7/08


Although physical death is sometimes compared to sleep, scripture does not teach that one's consciousness lapses after death to reawaken at the day of resurrection and judgment. >>Jesus promised the repentant thief on the cross that he would see paradise the very day of his death. Paul>>>Being absent from the body means being present with Christ [2 Corin. 5:8].
---catherine on 4/7/08


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Why would He abandon us to anything as hollow as 'soul sleep'? Death without God would be hell.
---Deb on 3/24/08
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Deb if you believe in hell as a "place" then you are half way correct in your answer ...the grave is hell some will never have an immortal life ...they will cease to exist ...it will be as if they never existed ...for all who have ever lived they await the resurrection now ...nobody has eternal life yet
---Rhonda on 4/6/08




See "Is there a burning hell". The answer is the same. All of our bodies return to dust. All souls go to Hades=sheol to wait for the day of judgement.
---Chip on 4/4/08


Well Praise the LORD Lee we can agree on the doctrine of Conditionalism which was around before the SDA church existed.

I beleive we can also agree that we are saved by Grace alone.
---Samuel on 4/4/08


All go to "sleep" in the grave (hades=sheol=hell). No fire, no reward, no punishment, to wait for the day of judgement. Gehanna is the valley of hinom, outside Jerusalem where the worshipers of false gods cast their children in the fire as sacrifice. It burned day and night, animal waste & parts not eaten were also thrown there with the garbage of the city. That was used as reference to the fate of unbelievers & idol worshipers.
---ChipDenna4446 on 4/4/08


Deb - my friend, no one dies without Christ knowing of it.
---Lee on 4/4/08


Lee, my friend, no one dies without Christ.
---deb on 4/3/08


Deb: "We 'put on immortality' when we leave our bodies and go home to God, where we will live for eternity."

You contradict the Scriptures. 1 Cor 15:52 states that the putting on of immortality occurs "at the last trump" which is the 2nd coming of Jesus. At that time, "death is swallowed up in victory." Unfortunately, death has not yet ended.
---jerry6593 on 3/26/08


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Deb - *We 'put on immortality' when we leave our bodies and go home to God, where we will live for eternity.

And do those who die without Christ also put on 'immortality'?

I am inclined to agree with our Adventist friends on this issue, howbeit, there are many prominent non-Adventist theologians that agree with my stand.
---Lee on 3/25/08


We 'put on immortality' when we leave our bodies and go home to God, where we will live for eternity.

Because Paul's writings were added to the bible, that does not make him perfect. It does not make him 100% correct.
---Deb on 3/25/08


Good questions Jerry.

Deb you are correct death without GOD is hell for the wicked will die and cease to exist in hell. Not be tortured for the enjoyment of those who want to see them suffer. How many of you would put an animal on a barbecue and slowly roast it to death? Yet you say GOD roasts people He loves for all eternity.
---Samuel on 3/25/08


Deb: Speaking of logic ... If our "soul" is immortal, as you seem to imply, why then must we "put on immortality" (1Cor 15:53) at Christ's second coming? And why does the Bible say that only God has immortality? (1 Tim 6:16)

Why would He abandon His beloved children to eternal torture in hell rather than "death" as He promised? (Rom 6:23)
---jerry6593 on 3/25/08


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Rhonda, God is perfectly logical. Why do you believe He would want heaven empty, and people to be without Him all that time? We are with God from the moment we are given life, at conception. He is with us all our lives, loving us, listening to our every thought, guiding us.

Why would He abandon us to anything as hollow as 'soul sleep'? Death without God would be hell.
---Deb on 3/24/08


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1 Thess 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

This isn't a mindbender ...The resurrection happens WHEN Christ RETURNS - it does not happen on an individual basis EVERYONE will be resurrected TOGETHER
---Rhonda on 3/23/08


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Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep (in hell- the grave) in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

Psalm 146
His (mans) breath goes forth, he returns to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish

Everyone who has ever lived both in the OT and NT whether a believer, unbeliever, or have not even heard of Christ they are ALL DEAD
---Rhonda on 3/23/08


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BOTH go to the same place King David, Solomon and all the Saints are - HELL (the grave) while they wait for the ressurection

Acts 2:29, 34
Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day...For David is not ascended into the heavens
---Rhonda on 3/23/08


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David KNEW he would be dead in hell (the grave) WAITING for the ressurection to his spiritual life

Psalms 17:15
As for me, I will behold Your face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I AWAKE, with Your likeness
---Rhonda on 3/23/08


1st Cliff, I was merely trying to allow you to see that this was a pointless argument, because unless you are God you cannot know what kind of body He has prepared for believers to be in when they are welcomed to the Wedding Banquet. Or do you know as much as God and more than Jesus, who knew did not even know when exactly these things would happen, though he knew the signs (which are happening as we speak.)
---frances008 on 3/23/08


Jerry - *Your ignorance of things SDA knows no bounds

As a former university instructor, the way to remove ignorance of things is to learn & study the issues, however, Adventists clearly cannot grasp the concept of what a covenant is, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that the tenets of the Old Mosaic Covenant are no longer applicable to the church if not in the New Covenant.

And the main reason is the unbreakable grip of the Ellen White mindset.
---Lee on 3/23/08


Lee: Your ignorance of things SDA knows no bounds. It would be better for you to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
---jerry6593 on 3/23/08


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Jerry - *Do you make no attempt to cover your lying now?

There you go again kicking against the pricks of the truth.

Ellen White is the dominant interpretor of scripture in the SDA and to even question that could cause you problems with your hierarchy.
---Lee on 3/22/08


Eloy: Huh?

Lee: Do you make no attempt to cover your lying now? Adding your words to someone else's quote, indeed!
---jerry6593 on 3/22/08


jerry6593, I care not what seems, for he that is of God hears God's words: you all therefore hear not, because you all are not of God. He that knows God hears me, he that is not of God hears not me. And you are neither sticking with the words of Jesus that I preach, nor are you sticking with Jesus. For the lost bear false witness against those from Christ, as well as bear false witness against Christ. "If they have called the Master of the house Beelzebub, how much more them of his household?"
---Eloy on 3/16/08


The spirit of Adam?

What?

Adam who was the first man is dead in the ground ...all mankind dies and returns to dust waiting the resurrection ...what kind of religious quackery is this to be telling people if they have not repented and are baptized in the name of Christ they have the spirit of Adam?

And just when I think I've heard of every false shepards teachings another one comes along
---Rhonda on 3/14/08


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Eloy: There seems to be great disparity between what you say and what Jesus said. I think I'll stick with Jesus as He is interpreted by our infallible interpretation Ellen White!
---jerry6593 on 3/14/08
---Lee on 3/14/08


Eloy: There seems to be great disparity between what you say and what Jesus said. I think I'll stick with Jesus!
---jerry6593 on 3/14/08


Frances, Do we now have a resident "mind reader?" You know what I know? It's obvious from your postings that I'm better at understanding scripture than you!(that's not a boast,it's a fact) You're still a babe needing milk, but hang in there,someday you may actually see the light!
---1st_cliff on 3/12/08


Sorry Steve, but your scripture doesn't even include the word "immortal." My Bible states definitively that ONLY GOD has immortality (1Ti 6:16).
---jerry6593 on 3/11/08


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.cliff, I already answered. The Holy Spirit is masculine even as Jesus is masculine, but not all souls have the Holy Spirit of Christ, but many have the spirit of Adam, which is death and is driven out of his garden and out of his presence.
---Eloy on 3/11/08


.jerry, God is not three Gods, but only one God, even the ignorant self-destructive demons know this. The Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same Spirit. If Jesus never would have left, then his Spirit would not have come. "And when he has said this, he breathed upon, and says to them, Receive you all the Holy Ghost. Whose soever sins you all disregard, they are disregarded to them: whose soever you all regard, they are retained." John 20:22,23.
---Eloy on 3/11/08


I think it futile to discuss the resurrection of the body or otherwise. We have a spirit and that is what counts, not the flesh. Eloy likely does not know, just as 1st Cliff does not know what God will do. I do know that many children and adults are hoping for a better body next time around. It would seem unfair that the handicapped be handicapped again in Heaven. I think it is a different body. That is just what I like to think...probably not a physical one.
---frances008 on 3/10/08


Eloy: "...simple earthly terms which I elucidate,..."

Elucidate? Your earthly knowledge is showing.

then how will you comprehend the deeper heavenly terms that I would transmit?

He can't. Only through the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 3/10/08


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Eloy, I'm a simple man, please scroll down and answer my simple questions.unless in ignoring them you're saying "I don't know".
---1st_cliff on 3/10/08


Sam: "Where does the Bible say the soul is immortal?"

Do not be afraid of what man can do to the body for he may destroy the body. But be afraid of God who can destroy both the body and the soul.
---Steveng on 3/8/08


Eloy: What you refer to is the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead - not Jesus Christ (the 2nd person) existing as a disembodied spirit. Again, listen how Jesus describes Himself after His return to Heaven.

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
---jerry6593 on 3/8/08


Consider:

Job 14:10-14 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? ... So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
---jerry6593 on 3/8/08


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cliff, If you do not understand the simple earthly terms which I elucidate, then how will you comprehend the deeper heavenly terms that I would transmit? Not every soul has the Spirit of Christ: but the soul whom has the Spirit indeed has the Everlasting Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, the King of kings, and the Lord of lords.
---Eloy on 3/8/08


KJV - Gen 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
NKJV - Gen 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.

The Bible says we are a soul not have one.
---Samuel on 3/7/08


Eloy, Be truthful with me. Is the reason you don't answer my specific questions because you don't know the answers? If you don't,say so! Believe it or not ,Eloy, even tho you dis me ,I actually like you,I'm just trying to pick your brain to see why you believe as you do! In some ways you are "typical" of one segment of "fundamentalists"!
---1st_cliff on 3/7/08


Eloy,You know very well what I'm saying,This "whatever it is" that sneaks away from the body at death!This invisable something that weighs less than a human hair,can walk.talk,think,see,hear etc.has it or has it not a "body"? Is it "gender specific?" Let's talk "realism" not fantacy!
---1st_cliff on 3/7/08


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cliff, I speak in simple childlike terms so that people are better able to understand the gospel, nevertheless you're still not comprehending it. What is, as you say, a "whazit"?
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.jerry, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. The Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you all know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you. And when he said this, he breathed upon, and says, Receive you all the Holy Ghost. Now if any person have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." John 3:6+ 14:17+ 20:22+ Romans 8:9.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


Eloy, how can it be a resurrection of the body when the bible states we recieve new bodies FROM heaven?
---Ryan_Z on 3/7/08


2 Cor.5:1f For we know that if the tent, which is our earthly home, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling,if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked.For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdenednot that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
---Lee on 3/6/08


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2 Cor. 5:5f He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight.

I think we can only believe what we want to believe, as the Scripture is rather sparse on this subject.
---Lee on 3/6/08


Eloy, You're reasoning like a child. Do you imagine for a moment that Lazarus came back to life in a "decomposed body" that still stank? The Sadducees didn't believe in Angels or the "resurrection" (bodies not mentioned) Answer this one question. When this "whatzit" leaves the body at death,is it ALSO a body? (if so where does the resurrection fit in?)
---1st_cliff on 3/6/08


Eloy: ".jerry, you are confusing Jesus' physical body with that nonphysical Spirit inside of him." Please give the scripture that describes a "nonphysical Spirit inside" of Jesus or anyone else.

Listen how Jesus describes Himself after His return to Heaven.

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
---jerry6593 on 3/6/08


cliff, Can you not Read the scriptures I cited? or are you being deluded by the spirit of antiChrist? for the scriptures most certainly do say, resurrection of "the body". "For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things IN BODY, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." II Corinthians 5:10.
---Eloy on 3/6/08


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.cliff, you speak the falsehood of the Saducees whom say there is no resurrection of the body. The scriptures I cited do speak of a body. Have you forgotten the decomposed body of Lazarus whom was dead for four days? Jesus said, Take away the stone. Martha said, Lord, by this time he stinks, for he has been dead four days. Jesus reassured her and cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, Here present. And he that was dead came forward. John 11:39-44. Please Read- Ezekiel 37:1-10.
---Eloy on 3/6/08


.cliff, here's a song, pt.1:

Ezekiel cried, Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones.
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones.
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones.
O hear the word of the Lord.

The foot bone connected to the leg bone,
the leg bone connected to the back bone,
the back bone connected to the arm bone.
O hear the word of the Lord.

---Eloy on 3/6/08


.cliff, song, pt.2:

The arm bone connected to the back bone,
the back bone connected to the neck bone,
the neck bone connected to the head bone.
O hear the word of the Lord.

Dem bones, dem bones, gonna rise up.
Dem bones, dem bones, gonna rise up.
Dem bones, dem bones, gonna rise up.
O hear the word of the Lord...

---Eloy on 3/6/08


Eloy, NONE of the scriptures you cited say "resurrection of the body" The body decomposes in a short time. Jesus says "resurrection of the dead" which is the person comming back to life in a new body."The sea gave up the DEAD" not the dead bodies of which not even one cell remains intact! You're not reasoning Eloy. This "whatzitt" that leaves the body at death,can it see,hear walk, talk, think feel pain? All without a body? Is it "gendered" if so ,why?
---1st_cliff on 3/5/08


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Fearful to face the morrow, and tomorrow may never come.
Soul sleeping does not exist. It was Ellen's misinterpretation of being dead without Jesus Christ.

Afraid to give one brave authentic testimony of Jesus Christ that would exalt Jesus and bless you.
Ellen will not be waiting for you, and she didn't die for you either.
---Cindy on 3/5/08


The Doctrine of Soul Sleep is stated in the Bible.
1Cr 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Cr 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Where does the Bible say the soul is immortal?
---Sam on 3/5/08


Seldom are my answers an opinion, although I have that right under the influence. In any case, this I know. The body dies and is usually placed in the ground, and goes back to dust. The spirit of man which came from God goes back to whence it came, back to God. That is if you are saved. If you are not saved. it goeth to Hell.
---catherine on 3/5/08


cliff, I preach the truth. Resurrection OF THE BODY: Please Read- Daniel 12:2,3+ John 10:17,18+ II Corinthians 5:10+ I Thessalonians 4:16-18+ Revelation 20:12-15.
---Eloy on 3/5/08


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Basically the argument that believers go into the very presence of God and non-believer to hell, is one held by both the OT and NT saints.

Whereas the concept of soul sleep is contrary to the traditional belief, there are few, if any scripture to support that viewpoint. The problem as I see it,is that soul sleep is aview held by that minority that needs to support their doctrine of Investigative judgtment which in itself is rather untenable.
---Lee on 3/4/08


Eloy, Again you make up your own scriptures.Nowhere in the bible does it say "resurrection of the body" Always resurrection of "the dead". Think of how bizzar your theory is,in order to leave the body you would need a "second body" with all the "physical parts" (arms,legs,hands,BRAIN,etc) Body within a body? Maybe another one inside that one! Lets get real!
---1st_cliff on 3/4/08


.jerry, you are confusing Jesus' physical body with that nonphysical Spirit inside of him. When his Spirit ascended up from off the cross into heaven as he has said, and then again he went down into the bowels of the abyss as Scripture has said, but his physical body all the while remained stationed on the earth as his Word has said, then after he completed his work that he completed then he took his body back up into his heaven even as his word says.
---Eloy on 3/4/08


Act 2:29, 34 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day. ... For David is not ascended into the heavens:

If we are to go directly to heaven at death, then why didn't King David? I thought he was a man after God's own heart!

And just how can we "put on immortality" at Christ's 2nd coming if we're already immortal?????
---jerry6593 on 3/4/08


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.jerry, Jesus did not lie when he said, "Today you will be with me in paradise." That had nothing to do with his physical body. Where do you think Jesus' Spirit went to when he gave up the ghost, his very last breath? Exactly where he said, Up to paradise. Where do you think his body went? It remained in the tomb, then he resurrected it, then he told Mary I have not ascended yet, what has he not ascended? HIS PHYSICAL BODY. This he ascended laster and they witnessed his physical body ascending
---Eloy on 3/4/08


.jerry, Jesus did not lie when he said, "Today you will be with me in paradise." That had nothing to do with his physical body. Where do you think Jesus' Spirit went to when he gave up the ghost, his very last breath? Exactly where he said, Up to paradise. Where do you think his body went? It remained in the tomb, then he resurrected it, then he told Mary I have not ascended yet: what has he not ascended? HIS PHYSICAL BODY. This he ascended later and they witnessed his physical body ascending
---Eloy on 3/4/08


.jerry, you are confusing two different ascensions. 1- Jesus' Spirit ascended to paradise on Friday, at 3:00 p.m. when he died on the cross, and 2- Jesus' body ascended to paradise on Wednesday, being 10 days after his resurrection. These are not the same ascensions, but two separate ascenscions which happened one 12 days after the other. Please Read- Mark 15:34-37+ Luke 23:43-46+ John 19:30+ 20:1,19,26+ 21:3,4+ Luke 24:50-53.
---Eloy on 3/4/08


John 11:25 and 26a
" though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

That is the point where Ellen White is off the hook, though he were dead. It does not say soul sleeping, but she interpreted that scripture as asleep, literally.

No, no. It means dead in sin, dead without Christ, dead before you believed in Jesus Christ. Die without Jesus, you are dead dead and in hell.
---Cindy on 3/3/08


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Heaven or hell.

TRUE SAINTS, WHEN ABSENT FROM THE BODY, ARE PRESENT WITH THE LORD

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8).
---Cindy on 3/3/08


True saints, leave their bodies at death, go to be with Christ, as they go to dwell in the immediate, full and constant sight or view of Christ.

1 Peter "Whom having not seen, ye love: in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing," They have indeed, in this world, a spiritual sight of Christ, but they see through a glass darkly, and with great interruption,

but in heaven they see him face to face.

"The pure in heart are blessed, for they shall see God."
---Cindy on 3/3/08


"Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" Christ, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise" (Luke 23:42, 43).

If you want to soul sleep with Ellen, that's your decision. I have no idea where she is.
---Cindy on 3/3/08


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