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What if you pray that God heals someone with a mental, or physical illness and it doesn't work? What then do you do with that person? Should you give them medication? Or wait, and let them suffer until God heals them?

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"I will go as far as to say Satan has a hand either directly or indirectly where all mental disorders are concern"
I would go further, and say that Satan also has a hand in physical injuries and illnesses.
Now why would God approve of us using our God-given brains and compassion to heal and care for one, and not the other?
Bible quote please Catherine?
---alan_of_UK on 4/19/08


Melann>>>I agree. Also, if a person is born with an affliction. Other than this and the one that you pointed out, [the injures]. which could be indirectly Satan, you never know. But how many people has this, the affliction of the mind at birth. I will go as far as to say Satan has a hand either directly or indirectly where all mental disorders are concern. Satan you are not going to get off the hook, not with me you won't.
---catherine on 4/19/08


I heard about a study once of people with mental illness. Some of them went "crazy" because they became so self-centered, obsessed with what was wrong with them or their lives. Made sense. No one is perfect (except Jesus) or has a perfect life. If I dwelled on that stuff more than on the goodness of God, I might go "crazy" too.
---melann on 4/19/08


In the bible some mental illness was demon possession and Jesus cast them out. I don't think brain injuries fall in that category. God gave us every herb bearing seed (medicine) for our use. Treat the symptoms, pray for the healing.
---melann on 4/19/08


This may sound far out there. Here goes, Isaiah 53:5, ...by His stripes we were healed,Psalm 103:3..heals all thy diseases. Sounds like sickness doesn't come from God. I belong to God not satan. satan is the father of lies,(John 8:44) so whatever is from him is a lie. The only thing he's got is deception(Rev 12:9) I don't deny that I am sick, I deny its right to stay in my body because my body belongs to God. I Cor 6:19-20
---melann on 4/19/08




What is the point in ministering unto the dead? What can the dead do for us? Nothing because their dead. No the dead aren't still human, for they no longer have a body. It is foolish to try and talk with the dead. The bible forbids a person doing such things.
---Rebecca_D on 4/18/08


God forbids talking with dead, and that's not trivia.
You're not talking with your relatives, you are talking with familiar spirits.
You risk becoming demon possessed by doing so and you risk missing heaven because hell and it's familiar spirits are interesting paranormal activity - something you can have interaction with - rather than God.

But you can't have both. You'll either have God or temporary demonic activity that you risk losing your soul over, and find hell instead of heaven.
---Ted on 4/18/08


You would not be allowed direct access to your dead relatives, but instead those are familiar spirits, since childhood, visiting with you. The great deception about seances, mediums, familiar spirits - You are comforting demons, as God does not allow direct access to dead relatives.

The fact they need comforting should not be comforting to you at all. If familiar spirits are telling you that your relatives are sad and lonely, that could be the truth.
They may be forever lost without God.
---Ted on 4/18/08


If your relatives are with God, they would not need any comforting from humans on earth.
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I tell you this not to be confrontive, but to tell you that you are risking hell by continuing this demonic activity. God forbids consulting familiar spirits on behalf of the dead. It is sin for the Christian.
---Ted on 4/18/08


Moses was not dead for centuries. Moses' spirit is alive, it never died. God's Word reveals that.
If people went to sleep - how would you be able to access your relatives through familiar spirits? Do you think you can wake them up on occasion and have a chat?

No, it's not so.
---Ted on 4/18/08




Do you really think it is your job to minister to the dead?

Have you really accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If you have, there would be a strong conviction from the Holy Spirit telling you that this is sin and nothing good will ever come from it.
---Ted on 4/18/08


Catherine, Jesus talked to moses in front of witnesses and Moses had been dead for many century's. Just some trivia for you. I have seen and talked with the dead since early childhood. They are still people and need comfort and love as always.. I see no problem with this in the Bible. We are to minister to the dead. We are to test the Spirit's concerning Jesus Christ before we minister or are ministered too. Don't want to argue, just trivia for those interested. frank
---frank on 4/18/08


People in here talks to the dead see nothing wrong with it. Gets support from others. And they are perfectly normal. I mean they alright upstares. But let one of God's person speak the words of God and we have a problem upstairs. Oh I spelled it right, that was an accident. No it wasn't> God is helping me. Anyways, listen up: God's sanity is not ours, and our sanity is not God's sanity.
---catherine on 4/18/08


It took about 40 years for Jesus to heal me.
I had to wait for his time.
He can heal anybody of anything.
They have to be serious and it has to be in his time.
Be diligent and don't give up.
(ex-trans) Alicia
---Alicia on 4/18/08


Jesus said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick."

Mental illness needs a physician.

Jesus also said, "Be of good cheer, daughter, your faith has made you well."
---MMR on 4/17/08


j_nonymous,
We do what we can using doctors and pray the Lord will heal them.
Frank
---Frank on 4/14/08


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Catherine ... I have another freind whoswe daughter has brain damage cause during birth.
She has a physical age of 22, yet a mental one of 8.
That is physical damage, not a brain disorder.
Are we not to use rthe skill's God has given the doctors, including medication to control the fearful feelings of being an alien (which is what the pastors Christian son's called her) and therapy to help her eyes work ptoperly, to improve her life?
---alan_of_UK on 4/14/08


Catherine ..."Counselors are unsaved PEOPLE TRYING TO DO GOD'S JOB FOR Him"
That is an outrageous thing to say.
---alan_of_UK on 4/14/08


catherine I have a freind with a son who is a strong Christian
But sadly, he has schyzophrenia.
It has to be controlled by drugs.
He felt he should come off the medication.
But he truned violent snd is currently detained in a secure hospitsl.
Please don't tell me we should not use our brains & the skills God has given us
---alan_of_UK on 4/14/08


First you pray for their salvation. God will give you authority over Satan who is the player of havoic with your MIND. Physical problems are different. Whether you are saved or not saved take your medicine until you feel better, or God calls you home if you are saved. If you are not saved, hell IS HOT
---catherine on 4/14/08


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Thank you, j., for the clarification. I'd say it is good to ask God for healing, and the loving prayer can have good effect, however it works.

Greater works than Jesus did could mean healing people emotionally and spiritually into God's own love, I think...better than . . . greater than getting just a bodily healing or even a life saved. A physical life saved can be less than being healing into God's own love > James 5:16.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/5/08


Chara . . . Jesus "when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously." (in 1 Peter 2:23) One of the things I have learned, here, in Christianet, is to care about the people who post here, rather than just be trying to show how my beliefs are right, using arguing. Jesus did not threaten > the real Jesus does not need to use the hell threat to get people to do what He desires for us, "and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29)
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


Chara, the "once saved, always saved" which I have understood is that once God has started to change us to be like His love, then is when we are guaranteed we can't lost our salvation, because this love makes us like Him so we will pass judgment > "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17) "in this world," John says (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


Bill_bila5659: Not what I meant. My daughter died. My son is on the way.
"I'll continue to pray for miricles and healings. If nothing happens? No condemnation. Moving right along. Not all things can be known this side of heaven".
---j._nonymous on 3/3/08

Thanks for your post Bill. Especially the part about God being the only who can cure. Human's can only treat. Although, God has allowed us to discover many cures for certain sicknesses, he is always the author of the cure.
---j._nonymous on 3/4/08


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j., if I understand you right, you say your daughter died after you and faith healers prayed for her. And now you say, "The fact is, maybe it is my fault. What then?" That is a very tragic thing that happened, and very painful. But I think it is good to evaluate however it could have been your fault. I mean, to pray for however God will help you to see anything you need to see, but He does not want you to condemn yourself, but forgive yourself and benefit from whatever you learn.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


Peter denied Jesus three times...after he did healings, I understand. And after his shadow was sought for healing (Acts 5:14-16), Peter ministered the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius (Acts 10), but then Peter discriminated against Gentile Christians (Galatians 2:11-13). So, I'd say his being able to heal did not depend on him being holy and loving.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


Acts 5:14-16 shows me, that people put the sick where Peter's shadow "might fall on some of them", and ones sick and "tormented by unclean spirits" were brought to Jerusalem, "and they were all healed." And yet, later, Peter betrayed Gentile converts (Galatians 2:11-13). So, I see that healings were done by imperfect people who could fail and even betray the Holy Spirit. Because Jesus gave the power to heal, and makes intercession that guarantees there will be a healing.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


So, you had "faith" people claiming healing for your son, but he died. In Peter's time, ones brought to Jerusalem "were all healed", we have in Acts 5:15. One thing that helped was that real Christians were contributing prayer, then. I don't know if those faith healers were real Christians who could contribute effective prayer for your son. Just saying they are so does not make them so. We can not control God with words we please to use. He is not our puppet.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


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What was Jesus Christ's "secret" for being able to heal and to cast out demons? Jesus obeyed our Father. He did meticulously exactly whatever the Father had Him doing. And so, when the ***Father*** had Jesus speak healing or expulsion of a demon, what the Father spoke through Jesus came to pass > Jesus did say, "the Father who dwells in Me does the works," in John 14:10. So, I'd say simply submit to God continually, and see what He does with you (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


If praying for a person with a mental illness doesn't work . . . the Holy Spirit is the Spirit "of power and of love and of a sound mind," we have in 2 Timothy 1:7. So, if I get in mental and emotional trouble, I confess this as sin and trust God to correct and heal me to do better. But if someone is way out of control and can not or refuses to trust God, you may need to use medication as what I call "chemical handcuffs". But only God's can cure.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/4/08


Alan of UK,know what you mean about people who tell you if you pray right everything will be ok. A friend told me,when I was sick, don't claim "it",when we were at Prayer Meeting and went there to pray for needs and share the Word. I ask my cousin there,how do you not claim/admit something thats there? I have prayed for several with cancer and they died. That cousin and I prayed for man with terminal cancer and he lived. Even when faith abides,God decides!
---Darlene_1 on 3/3/08


When the pancreas does not work properly it is called diabetes, and treated, but it is not demonic

When any organ fails, it is treated--except if the organ is the brain.

Then because it affects people's behavior--doesn't diabetes, also?-- it is stigmatized, called demonic and sadly sometimes not treated.

GET OUT OF THE DARK AGES!! Often mental illness is cured, most of the time managed, but it it is not always demonic, sometimes it is chemical imbalance.
---Observer on 3/3/08


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"Not all mental illness is demon possession.
Head trauma, accidents, genetic problems, etc.
But there is mental illness that is demon possession directly attributed to sin".
---Bob on 3/3/08

Amen Bob.
---j._nonymous on 3/3/08


Not all mental illness is demon possession.
Head trauma, accidents, genetic problems, etc.
But there is mental illness that is demon possession directly attributed to sin.
---Bob on 3/3/08


Yes darlene, you can become mentally ill from outside forces. It happened to me with an vindictive animal boss.All of a sudden, I was stuck in an office far from home, frozen to my desk with no way to get home.
Sin?
---a on 3/3/08


"I believe that the greatest mistake of today's Bible is when it was put into verses. Reading the Bible from beginning to end without verse numbers will show you God's relationship with his people". ---Steveng on 3/1/08

Amen brother. And thanks for your responses. I especially like that you didn't offer a magic formula. I'll continue to pray for miricles and healings. If nothing happens? No condemnation. Moving right along. Not all things can be known this side of heaven.
---j._nonymous on 3/3/08


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Catherine,it's sad to me anyone considers all mental illness demon possession. That just isn't true no matter how much you believe it. Some people become mentally ill because of constant stress,abuse,and other types of pain in their life. Simply put,their mind finds a coping method to help them make it through but often the method isn't the healthy/best way and they become confused. That's only one cause there're others and you aren't qualified enough to choose what's the cause for all mental illness.
---Darlene_1 on 3/3/08


Hmmm...you do make a point, sometimes though mental illness has nothing to do with sin. Or perhaps it can come from the sin of others. I used to know a wonderful man who's mom was awful to him--just awful--and this dear man was painfully affected to this day. Also, I have chemical problems with my brain--it's mixed up like a bad recipe lol :D
---Mary on 3/1/08


j._nonymous
Yes ... and psychotherapy, a miracle.
And opticians, and dentists, and dedicated prison warders and visitors, ... and ... and ...
What are we here for if not to be God's people and doing His work?
---alan_of_UK on 3/1/08


Alan, I'm sorry to hear something similar happened to you. I think what some here don't understand is that we have tried these things, and they haven't worked. That doesn't mean they never work, but to me there is a mystery about this topic which I find elusive... Maybe it's called the sovereignty of God. The only alternative is for guys like us to self-condemn for not praying right, or living holy enough. That would be parylizing to me. The thing is, maybe it is my fault. What then?
---j._nonymous on 2/29/08


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j._nonymous: The reason why 99.999999999% of the Christians are not able to perform miracles greater than Jesus is because they are only hearers of the word, not doers. Another major reason is fear. On one hand, they are afraid of being an oddball if it worked. On the other hand they fear of being ridiculed if it didn't work.
---Steveng on 3/1/08


j._nonymous: "Give me some directions. Step by step, tell me how to perform a miricle, or healing."

Most people today ask for step-by-step procedures to accomplish something. Most people today make the most simple complex.

So what's the secrets to healing and miracles? It's no secret. It's written throughout the Bible. Just allow the Holy Spirit to work through you. How do you get the Holy Spirit? Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor.
---Steveng on 3/1/08


j._nonymous: Now, here's the tough part, "What is love?" Ok, so second Corinth defines love, but how do you really, truly love? How do you show love to others? How do you show love to God? It would be a disservice to point out verses because you would only get part of the answer. You need to read the Bible without the verse numbers. And read the letters in the NT. Would you read a friends letter to you with verse numbers?
---Steveng on 3/1/08


j._nonymous: I believe that the greatest mistake of today's Bible is when it was put into verses. Reading the Bible from beginning to end without verse numbers will show you God's relationship with his people. Love is shown in the stories not individusl verses. Reading the Bible without verses will put a completely different perspective on God's word - on how God loves his people and how people loves God.
---Steveng on 3/1/08


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alan_of_UK: "Imagine how I felt..."

Yes, I know how you felt. People have shared their stories with me . You may think that I couldn't ever experience what you felt, but my love for these people made me experience their pain. Much like how twins would feel each other feelings. Out of fifteen friends thirty years ago, there are only three of us left, and the other two are on medications. Thank God I still rollerblade and play basketball with the neighborhood kids. I also feel Job's pain.
---Steveng on 3/1/08


Demon possessed would rather defend their lies than ever admit the truth. The truth is not in them. They would rather expire than tell you the truth. Without a deliverance they are in spiritual trouble.
They are unable to tell the truth. If you were looking them square in the eye, they could boldly tell you a lie and never wince.
---Bob on 2/29/08

OK Bob. What do you suggest?
---j._nonymous on 2/29/08


Mental illness, the demon possessed variety.

The Garden variety, due to sin.

I wouldn't let them suffer. I'd tell them they can be free, completely free and it will not take a lifetime of misery. It's their choice, their decision.
---Bob on 2/29/08


Demon possessed would rather defend their lies than ever admit the truth. The truth is not in them. They would rather expire than tell you the truth. Without a deliverance they are in spiritual trouble.
They are unable to tell the truth. If you were looking them square in the eye, they could boldly tell you a lie and never wince.
---Bob on 2/29/08


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"If you call me wrong, you are calling Jesus wrong because he said that we are to perform greater miracles than he".
---Steveng on 2/28/08

I do not disagree with this statement. Jesus said it. But what if what he said involves medicine? For instance: a heart transplant. I'd that's a miricle. Successful chemotherapy. I'd say that's a miricle.
---j._nonymous on 2/29/08


"If you call me wrong, you are calling Jesus wrong because he said that we are to perform greater miracles than he".
---Steveng on 2/28/08

Also, my wife was 23 weeks pregnant and her cervix shortened to 1 centimeter. We thought we'd lose my son. She is now 33 weeks pregnant. A stitch helped keep him in. I'd say that's a miricle.
---j._nonymous on 2/29/08


"If you call me wrong, you are calling Jesus wrong because he said that we are to perform greater miracles than he".
---Steveng on 2/28/08

Jesus was speaking to the 12 disciples when he said this. Are you saying if my works are not greater than his, I'm not really a disciple?

I agree that Jesus said it. I think we disagree on what it means. But if you have a clear answer, a "healing for dummies" answer if you will, I'd like to hear it.
---j._nonymous on 2/29/08


The demon possessed can be delivered whenever they choose. It is their choice.
God is no respector of persons, He'll deliver anyone that wants to be free.
---Bob on 2/29/08


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Counselors are unsaved PEOPLE TRYING TO DO GOD'S JOB FOR Him. If you will read how Jesus cast out demons who was tormenting people, you would understand what I am talking about. Go ahead take your pills for chemical imballance. There is no chance on this side of heaven against demons. Go ahead, when people are out shooting everybody in our schools and you are scratching your heads trying to come up with answers. Your wisdom will never work. JESUS CHRIST. answer.
---catherine on 2/29/08


Steveng: I appreciate your heart as you write this. And, for the record, I believe in healing and miricles. Healing without charge sounds especially appealing to me. I don't think you understand what I mean about healing. I think I also have you wrong. It's hard to say specifically what I believe about it except to say it's possible. So, lets cut to the chase:

Give me some directions. Step by step, tell me how to perform a miricle, or healing.
---j._nonymous on 2/29/08


Name it and claim it is dangeraous
I am so sorry to hear of J,nonymous's experience, and the tragedy of a lost young life
My wife had cancer, the healers claimed a cure ... but it id not materialise.
Since we were told, "if you pray properly you will ahve the cure you wanted" Imagine how I felt when she died ... my failure to pray properly?
---alan_of_UK on 2/29/08


Sometime God does not choose to heal us
---Betty on 2/28/08


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j._nonymous: "I choose to believe you are wrong about it (as I was)."

You have healing all wrong. It's not standing in front of a church declaring healing powers. It doesn't work like that. Healing come from deep within the heart, not a feeling good experience in front of a group of people. If you call me wrong, you are calling Jesus wrong because he said that we are to perform greater miracles than he.
---Steveng on 2/28/08


j._nonymous: Most people, including Christians, live their lives on the surface, and seldom, if ever, do they penetrate to the depths of thier own existence. They have become so involved, and so busy in their daily routine of getting and spending, that they forget the deepest questions in life, especially questions pertaining about themselves, their life, the people around them and especially God. There are only a handful of Christians perform healings in secret and without pay.
---Steveng on 2/28/08


j._nonymous: Most people, including Christians, live their lives on the surface, and seldom, if ever, do they penetrate to the depths of thier own existence. They have become so involved, and so busy in their daily routine of getting and spending, that they forget the deepest questions in life, especially questions pertaining about themselves, their life, the people around them and especially God. There are only a handful of Christians perform healings in secret and without pay.
---Steveng on 2/28/08


j._nonymous: When you read the stories about healings in the Bible, you don't see people act the way the people did at that church you went to. You don't read the people who were witnessing healings of Jesus dancing around yelling praising God and rolling in the isles, do you? Healings were orderly and as simple as touching the hem of Jesus' clothing - without the fanfare. That woman surely had faith, very strong faith indeed.

Don't lose your faith. Read through Job once again slowly.
---Steveng on 2/28/08


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The demon possessed are passed on to someone else to deal with. Loving that individual, while they destroy families is truly more than what most people want, let alone love.
Unforgiveness leads to ungodly anger, doors are opened. Love will not shut them, it requires a deliverance. Loving the demons will not make them go away.
Demons like love, they can turn it around into manipulation and control. It empowers them.
---Bob on 2/28/08


It takes a real toll on a family to live with a demon possessed person. Most people, if they're being honest, will tell you it's nearly impossible. Loving the demon possessed person doesn't deliver the person and it makes the demons stronger. It's called enabling. Those demons like to hide, and they can entice, lure the unaware right into their web of deceit.
---Bob on 2/28/08


The demon possessed move from job to job, church to church, marriage to marriage, relationship to on and on.
Those caught unaware will be fooled for a time, until the demons decide it's safe to reappear, like after a new marriage. Then all hell breaks loose and the unaware become acutely aware that something is terribly amiss.
---Bob on 2/28/08


J.nonymous---I dont know the reasons behind your questions, but i want to thank you for being a person who seems to care a lot for others who need help and is looking for help to help them when you are not certain what to do. Never let someone suffer if help is availabe, never cease having faith and praying for their healing. Some people treat mental illness as tho it is a ugly joke, but if the mind is sick,it will cause the body to become sick also.There is where the medication can help.
---carol on 2/28/08


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Steveng: #1 My daughter was in the womb and the water broke early. "Word of Faith" people used to visit my wife and I and made healing seem like such a sure thing. They pumped us full of faith and said we should declare healing. "Claim it". I even stood in front of the whole church and declared healing to the sound of thunderous applause. But when she was born, and then died, there was no applause, and the "faith people" disappeared. My views have since changed on healing.
---j._nonymous on 2/28/08


Steveng: #2 Therefore, when it comes to healing and miricles being a sure thing, either God is a liar, or people like your self are wrong about the subject. I choose to believe you are wrong about it (as I was). We seem to forget that God is sovereign. We can't make Him do what we want by blabbing scripture out of context. In Deuteronomy it says the secret things belong to the Lord, but that which is written belongs to us. In the meantime, lets take care of people, whether they get healed or not.
---j._nonymous on 2/28/08


Bob--I did not say to "love the illness", I said love the person with the illness.Do not twist my words. Possesion and oppression are two very dark kinds of mental illness and need every source of help available.Love being one of them.Have you ever seen or been around a person with mental illness? I have and I think it would do you good to see for yourself what these people go through. Your attitude might change if you were the one trying to pull yourself out of a pit of depression.
---carol on 2/28/08


this is simple, one gets the proffesional help needed and continue praying even if it takes years.Pray without seasing.... and all works for the glory of the Lord. it is no sin to go to the doctor (only try to find a shrink with a born-again background who can prescribe and treat from a biblical point of view
---Andy on 2/28/08


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Man today has turned his faith away from God depending more upon science, medicine and technology for their health and well-being. Where are the Christians who are suppose to perform greater miracles than Jesus? Christians have become hearers only. They are shackled to the pews of denominational churches. They fear being ridiculed if they try to perform a miracle in public. Their faith is weak and doubt enters their mind thinking "Can I heal this person?" "What if I can't?" DO
---Steveng on 2/27/08


That is because you cannot receive a deliverance from mental illness by loving the illness to death.
I'm not referring to head trauma, accidents or anything genetic, I am talking about mental illness due to oppression or possession.
---Bob on 2/27/08


Carol, you get my vote.
---frances on 2/27/08


I have read most of the answers to this question and I did not find anyone who said--you give them all the love you can,even when all the other things you tried does not work.---Love heals because God is love and the person who is ill needs to feel that love. The remarks on here about mentally ill people certainly brings out the resentment of others having to pay to help them money wise. They should be thankful they are not having to recieve that help for themselves yet sound like they should be.
---carol on 2/27/08


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pt.2
As for medication, why shouldnt they receive it?? Isn't that what it's for? Why should they suffer when there is medicine to help them,be it for a short time or a long time? Mental illness has always been talked about in whispers like its a contagious disease,and something just shy of being dirty. Keep praying for these people and love them . Most of the mentally ill would not be the way they are if someone had loved them.
---carol on 2/27/08


there are times in which a chemical imbalance is the cause. If this is the case, medication is prescribed to help counter this imbalance, which in turn treats the symptoms of the psychological ailment. Is this a sin? No. God has allowed man to grow in his knowledge of medicine, which God uses in the healing process. Does God need man-made medicine in order to heal? Of course not! God has chosen to allow the practice of medicine progress, and we would be foolish not to avail ourselves of it.
---Court7646 on 2/26/08


Bob ... Have you ever taken an aspirin, or an anti-biotic, or had a tetanus jab, or used a plaster, or had an eye test, or been to the dentist, had a polio jab, or bandaged a strained joint?
---alan_of_UK on 2/25/08


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